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The 50 Greatest Moments in Comics: #30-21

Everybody's got their favorite moments, but here are our picks for the indisputably GREATEST ones.

The Comic Vine staff has put our noggins together to collect and codify the all-time greatest moments in comics.

We make no pretense at any academic objectivity here - - these aren't supposed to be the most "important" to the history of the medium. These are simply the times where we've been so wrapped up in a story that we literally had to say "Wow!" when we turned the page. These are the most-memorable pages or panels for readers like you (as decided by our highly-discriminating reckoning.)

These are the top fifty greatest moments in comics...

We pity the fools who don't see how this is one of the greatest moments in comics.
We pity the fools who don't see how this is one of the greatest moments in comics.

We’re counting down moments #30-21 today. Catch up on moments #50-41 and #40-31.

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30. Ganthet becomes a Green Lantern in BLACKEST NIGHT #6

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Few times has a bit of cosmic wordplay had this kind of dramatic significance in a comic. For the Guardian who fatefully gave Kyle Rayner the last power ring after EMERALD TWILIGHT and subsequently raised his resurrected brethren after Rayner brought them back through Ion power, “Hope” is truly the first word anybody should use when describing Ganthet. Thus, it makes perfect sense that he’d found the Blue Lantern Corps? And it's perfectly fitting that Ganthet, after being expelled from the Guardians for having emotions of all things, would put himself back into the GLC during the entire Emotional Spectrum’s darkest hour.

29. Gepetto revealed to be the Adversary in FABLES #40

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Nobody in million years would ever expect an arch-villain called “the Adversary” to actually be the gentle old carpenter who created Pinocchio… but it is always, indeed, the last one you suspect. This shocking revelation connected so many puzzle pieces in the mythos of FABLES; not least of which was an explanation for why exactly it was an army of wooden soldiers who drove our favorite storytime characters out of their homes and into their little ghetto in New York City. The man who shaped the fates of so many - - who was really the driving force behind the series - - was a man who most people picture doing the jitterbug and wishing upon a star. Brilliant.

28. Plastic Man survives for 3000 years under the sea in JLA #76

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If you’ve ever had trouble keeping track of all the paradoxes and concurrent happenstances in a time-travel story, just imagine how confused the actual participants must get. Such was the case in THE OBSIDIAN AGE, when two JLA teams were fighting two battles some 3000 years apart from each other. In the fracas, the main League actually lost track of Plastic Man and the flexible funnyman was accidentally left behind in pre-historic times. Oops! When the League returned to the present, they realized their mistake and went back to find Plas was right where they left him on the bottom of the Atlantic… three millennia prior. Punchlines rarely get as epic as this. Plas should count himself lucky for being immortal, and we should count ourselves lucky for him not being bio-degradable.

27. Magneto found “Not Guilty” in UNCANNY X-MEN #200

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It goes to show that the letter of the law can allow for even the most inconceivable of verdicts to be reached. Case in point: the most infamous mutant terrorist in the world getting this sort of favorable sentence from a UN tribunal when he’s put on trial for his countless crimes. It certainly helped that he had Prof. X working as his defense attorney. Even if the entire jury wasn’t totally convinced during the actual hearings, they were certainly grateful to be on Magneto’s good side when he subsequently saved them from an attack by Fenris. Chris Claremont packed one wallop after another for this milestone anniversary issue and the fact that we’re putting this up here instead of Cable’s birth speaks volumes as to just how shocking it was to witness.

26. Superman reboots the sun in ALL-STAR SUPERMAN #12

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Even if you haven’t a clue as to what a “solar-radio consciousness” actually is, you’ve got to admit that the greatest “labor” of Superman - - a superhero powered by yellow sunrays - - would just have to center on the Sun. Embracing the Silver Age's surrealistic whimsy full-on, this maxi-series concludes with Supes literally diving into the Solar core and building Sol a new, mechanical heart to keep it running after the meddling of the tyrant sun, Solaris. You get the sense that Lois Lane holds this exact image in her mind when she insists that, despite world opinion, Kal-El actual isn't dead, just preparing to return; and that says something profound about Superman's power as a symbol of hope. Fun fact: In Morrison's DC 1 Million, Superman remerges from the Sun as a golden Superman Prime after 15,000 years of collecting energy.

25. Tony Stark injects himself with Extremis in IRON MAN #5

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The tough part about updating Iron Man is trying to find new, clever gadgets and properly fresh gimmicks for each Mark of his armor. From transistor power to modular assembly and from underwater capability to the outer-space variety, the cool exec with the heart of steel has incorporated it all. So where can you go in the 2000s? Well, you can merge Tony with his armor. This storyline saw Mr. Stark taking in a substance that’s variously called a “virus” or a “super-soldier serum” (fittingly putting him into Cap’s lineage) called Extremis; a cutting edge variety of nano-technology that connects his brain directly to computers and alleviates a lot of his human frailties (like heart problems!) More importantly, it lets him put his armor instantaneously at any moment. After this, there was really not much point in Tony upgrading his suit because, ever after, he is the suit.

24. Peter Parker reveals his identity in CIVIL WAR #2

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As we all know, the quality that defines Spider-Man the most is larger-than-life sense of responsibility. Thus, if Iron Man asks him to answer to the American people and submit to the Superhuman Registration Act, Peter Parker will own up to what he feels is required of him and blow a secret he’s gone to great lengths over a great many years to keep secret. That this would eventually bring super-villainous reprisals onto his loved ones actually put Spidey right between two very big responsibilities and gave us, the readers, some very great drama.

Even though this particular genie was eventually put back into its bottle with ONE MORE DAY, there’s still no denying how striking this particular unmasking remains.

23. Batman shoots Darkseid in FINAL CRISIS #6

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Who can think of a more fitting way to conclude one of the single most far-out crossovers ever than to have the mere human Batman mortally wounding the evil god Darkseid by popping a cap in him? After millennia of galactic wars and after countless failed attempts by superhumans, this legendary despot's undoing finally came down to a small “Radion bullet.” Granted, to do this, Bats also had to get hit by some pesky Omega Beams that sent him back to primeval times and put him through a long spot of trouble… but it was still a hell of a finish. And a lasting one, actually. Darkseid may have returned in the pages of JUSTICE LEAGUE, but it’s the New 52 version. The classic one? He’s still dead. Batman's win is still good.

22. Morpheus (Dream of the Endless) dies in SANDMAN #69

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Dream, as depicted in SANDMAN, was more like the gods of classical mythology than any of the gods we’re used to in comics. His personality couldn't quite be understood in normal, human terms and his “life” couldn't quite be compared to a normal, human cycle. Thus, it fit that his death would embody both of those qualities. He was killed by the Furies in act of vengeance after his servants stole a superhuman baby, Daniel, whose parents violated rules of the Dreaming during his incubation. And, after he died, young Daniel took his place in the Endless, but in a way that actually somehow preserved Morpheus' identity. It was a very artistic take on that old phrase of "The king is dead, long live the king" and a very appropriate ending to a series defined by many such supernatural nuances.

21. Wolverine regains all his memories in HOUSE OF M #8

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It was an enduring debate; one that would seemingly never end - - if you took away Wolverine’s mystery, would you also take away his appeal? This particular genie was finally let out of the bottle in ‘05, a few years after another of Logan’s genies was released in ORIGIN. It was the perfect irony to have a man who can’t remember his own past be the only one to remember what life was like prior to the Scarlet Witch's “world gone mad” reality warp. So it was truly fitting that one lasting consequence of this event would make this famous amnesiac finally regained all his once-hazy memories in perfect lucidity. Now that the debate's been solved, for good, we think you'll agree that Wolverine's still cool, even if he does remembers a lot of things he once forgot.

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@clemj said:

@Jnr6Lil: it isn't the greatest but still...

Batman shooting Darkseid is almost the same

Nah, Peter Parker revealing himself was more major than Batman shooting Darkseid

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Wolverine getting his memories back was one of the best things to come out of House of M.

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#24 still gets to me.

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Wolverine regains all his memories is not a good Idea, dose that mean he has a super brain? it's like the Highlander, I beleave they remember some memories, but not all, after 400 years, things would get lost, how many people Lose thier keys, or forget to turn off the lights on thier car.

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Props! I totally agree.

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@Jnr6Lil: it isn't the greatest but still...

Batman shooting Darkseid is almost the same

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@BransonHuggins said:

Batman using a gun, seems to have pissed off a lot of people. Look, their are a lot of people that hold the Dark Knight Returns as one of the greatest batman stories ever told. This bothers me, because I have heard a lot of these same people state that Batman would never use a gun. Do you forget the point in the DKR where he picks up a machine gun and mows down some criminals? It happens. Also, Batman may not have used a gun before, but he is a killer plain and simple. Look, whether he wants to admit it or not, people have died due to Batman, "I don't have to kill you, but I don't have to save you either"...well through your inaction, you are killing them, sorry, that simple. Batman has lots of blood on his hands, he likes to think this isn't so, but it is.

That is true but what you need to understand is that Batman being anti-gun because of what happened to his parents is not that old actually. The idea that the death of Bruce's parents were not just an origin story but deeply defined the character, who never let go of them, only became central around 1987-1989 after Miller's TDKR and Year One, Moore's Killing Joke and Morrison's Arkham Asylum (although the 70's and 80's and other writers such as O'Neil for instance paved the way for them, ). From that new centrality, that is considered a given nowadays, other writers imagined that it was the reason why Batman had not been using guns for so long. It makes sense of course but the only real reason why Batman was not a killer and not using guns was because he was exactly like every other Golden and Silver Age super-hero.

What I mean is Frank Miller did not have a strict Batman rationale that would forbid him from writing Batman using a gun or killing people. It came after, as a result as what he himself wrote in his stories. Would he do it now (and he did in his All Star Goddam Batman), everybody would agree that this is out of character but it just was not at that time.

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Batman shooting Darkseid, was slightly out of character, but at the same time, it fit. He was pushed to his limits, he realized at that point, that there are things bigger then his morals and beliefs, that at that point, this had to be done. If it wasn't the world was doomed. Batman did what he has always done, made a calculated decision, and made the best decision possible given the circumstances. Batman did what he had to do, to ensure that he saved the world. At the end of the day, what he did, cemented him as a hero above all others. He saved not only his friends, but the world, and the entire universe at that point. Batman did what needed to be done, for the greater good. Sometimes you have to make the hard decisions, not because it's the easiest one, but because it's the right one, and that's what he did.

I disagree. I do not think you should be looking at it this way. A writer should not put Batman in a position where he HAS to just use a gun or Superman HAS to kill. I am pretty sure Morrison knows that and this is why I do not think what he meant by it was just : "well, you've gotta do what you've gotta do". This is just not the way you are supposed to look at it.

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@walkingcarpet: No, you really do not need to read Countdown. Even Rip Hunter's board is telling us not to :

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Made me laugh out loud, sir. Do you have any suggestions for reading to get the background on the evil gods as they appeared in stuff like Seven Soldiers and Final Crisis?

No real background of quality. Seven Soldiers was their first appearance in this form and nothing of great importance or/and quality before Final Crisis. There were a bunch of "Dark Side Club" tie-ins, (some arcs and the weak miniseries Terror Titans) but you should not waste your time on those.

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Batman using a gun, seems to have pissed off a lot of people. Look, their are a lot of people that hold the Dark Knight Returns as one of the greatest batman stories ever told. This bothers me, because I have heard a lot of these same people state that Batman would never use a gun. Do you forget the point in the DKR where he picks up a machine gun and mows down some criminals? It happens. Also, Batman may not have used a gun before, but he is a killer plain and simple. Look, whether he wants to admit it or not, people have died due to Batman, "I don't have to kill you, but I don't have to save you either"...well through your inaction, you are killing them, sorry, that simple. Batman has lots of blood on his hands, he likes to think this isn't so, but it is.

Batman shooting Darkseid, was slightly out of character, but at the same time, it fit. He was pushed to his limits, he realized at that point, that there are things bigger then his morals and beliefs, that at that point, this had to be done. If it wasn't the world was doomed. Batman did what he has always done, made a calculated decision, and made the best decision possible given the circumstances. Batman did what he had to do, to ensure that he saved the world. At the end of the day, what he did, cemented him as a hero above all others. He saved not only his friends, but the world, and the entire universe at that point. Batman did what needed to be done, for the greater good. Sometimes you have to make the hard decisions, not because it's the easiest one, but because it's the right one, and that's what he did.

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That moment in House of M when Logan remembers everything was a huge "holy crap" moment but if I had to pick a moment from House of M I have to say Peter Parker's breakdown. That was just heartbreaking imo

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Ha, Plastic Man :D

Such a great fun character, I wish he was still around these dasys.. (and no need for silly reboot/reimaginging/redesign...)

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@Phaedrusgr: Honestly, as great as Kubert's art is, all of his faces kind of look the same to me. I could see that with the bald head though. Grant has a tendency to put characters in his books that look vaguely like him after The Invisibles.

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Ouch, that had venom to it lol. But what about Darkseids confrontation with Superman? He basically mocks Kal-El for not being able to harm him due to the vessel he inhabits. Then Supes recognizes Turpin's DNA and there is a whole shock and awe thing. Batman either didn't know it was Turpin or he didn't care. And if it was the Black Racer who ultimately kills Turpin he was summoned because of the combination of Barry and Wally outrunning him along with Batman shooting Darkseid with radion. Ergo Batman killed Turpin whether it was due to the gunshot, the poisoning, or just by summoning the Black Racer. Although evidence of the body would've been erased by the miracle machine.

Now that I think about it, I really do not think Dan Turpin died in Final Crisis. According to its conclusion, the casualties are only Batman, Martian Manhunter and the Hawks (but Johns had other plans for them and same thing for Aquaman's return). As you pointed out,the whole point was that because Darkseid was living in all humans, the heroes had lost because they could not just kill innocents. This would only make Batman's use of the radion bullet better. He found a loophole and that is why he is shooting Darkseid in the shoulder, to protect Turpin. Then the black racer, who mostly deals with Gods exorcised a weakened Darkseid out of Turpin.

This makes total sense. I guess I just didn't fully understand the nature of how the Darkseid and the other evils gods worked these days. I need to go read Countdown. I am re-reading Seven Soldiers at the moment though, and some of the ways it ties into Final Crisis that I didn't notice the first time I read it is pretty rad.

Also, I think it got announced that the finale of Morrison's Batman run was a 12 issue series called "Leviathan" and there was the kid at the end of the The Return one-shot that seemed to be a part of Leviathan as well. The Leviathan in Batman seems to be tied to children... I wonder if it's the same Leviathan that appears in Seven Soldiers.

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What about when Rogue defeats Nimrod by absorbing Nightcrawler and Colossus' powers? I thought that was pretty cool. Or how about when pre-ninja Psylocke manages to take on Sabretooth using her wits alone? I love it when an underdog relies on resourcefulness as an out.

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Peter Parker revealing himself in Civil War was major

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People talk about magneto being out of character in morrisons x men run sebastian shaw mysteriously gained telepathy for 1 time only and had no qualms with numerous x men being present in the hellfire club the only thingout of character for magneto was he allowed the two mutant children to die in the new x men annual

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@DarthShap: Ok that sounds pretty accurate

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Comics are completely like soap operas.

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@TheWitchingHour said:

Ouch, that had venom to it lol. But what about Darkseids confrontation with Superman? He basically mocks Kal-El for not being able to harm him due to the vessel he inhabits. Then Supes recognizes Turpin's DNA and there is a whole shock and awe thing. Batman either didn't know it was Turpin or he didn't care. And if it was the Black Racer who ultimately kills Turpin he was summoned because of the combination of Barry and Wally outrunning him along with Batman shooting Darkseid with radion. Ergo Batman killed Turpin whether it was due to the gunshot, the poisoning, or just by summoning the Black Racer. Although evidence of the body would've been erased by the miracle machine.

Now that I think about it, I really do not think Dan Turpin died in Final Crisis. According to its conclusion, the casualties are only Batman, Martian Manhunter and the Hawks (but Johns had other plans for them and same thing for Aquaman's return). As you pointed out,the whole point was that because Darkseid was living in all humans, the heroes had lost because they could not just kill innocents. This would only make Batman's use of the radion bullet better. He found a loophole and that is why he is shooting Darkseid in the shoulder, to protect Turpin. Then the black racer, who mostly deals with Gods exorcised a weakened Darkseid out of Turpin.

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@ApatheticAvenger: I would love to see Constantine's greatest con in the top 10. There were a lot of great moments during Garth Ennis' run.I'd also like to see Spider Jerusalem's final victor in Transmetropolitan.

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@DarthShap said:

@TheWitchingHour said:

@DarthShap said:

@walkingcarpet said:

At the same time, Batman firing a gun and killing someone seems a bit out of character. Though, I guess it's not too far out of character for Morrison's Batman.

Au contraire, it is 100% in character. Batman is not killing anyone here. Darkseid has been dead for days at this point. He was killed by Orion in Countdown. What happened is his spirit refused death and in his fall, reality was shattered (DC Universe 0). What is left of Darkseid is nothing but the spirit of pure evil, the very evil Batman swore to fight after the shooting of his parents. Like so many things in Morrison's run, this is all symbolics.

Au contraire....he's killing Dan Turpin

Wrong. The shot is only lethal to Darkseid's spirit because it is a radion bullet but for Dan Turpin's body, this is just a shot to the shoulder.

Now, I do not remember Turpin dying in Final Crisis but if he did, this was probably the black flash/racer's doing, not Batman's shot to the shoulder.

Ouch, that had venom to it lol. But what about Darkseids confrontation with Superman? He basically mocks Kal-El for not being able to harm him due to the vessel he inhabits. Then Supes recognizes Turpin's DNA and there is a whole shock and awe thing. Batman either didn't know it was Turpin or he didn't care. And if it was the Black Racer who ultimately kills Turpin he was summoned because of the combination of Barry and Wally outrunning him along with Batman shooting Darkseid with radion. Ergo Batman killed Turpin whether it was due to the gunshot, the poisoning, or just by summoning the Black Racer. Although evidence of the body would've been erased by the miracle machine.

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@TheWitchingHour said:

@DarthShap said:

@walkingcarpet said:

At the same time, Batman firing a gun and killing someone seems a bit out of character. Though, I guess it's not too far out of character for Morrison's Batman.

Au contraire, it is 100% in character. Batman is not killing anyone here. Darkseid has been dead for days at this point. He was killed by Orion in Countdown. What happened is his spirit refused death and in his fall, reality was shattered (DC Universe 0). What is left of Darkseid is nothing but the spirit of pure evil, the very evil Batman swore to fight after the shooting of his parents. Like so many things in Morrison's run, this is all symbolics.

Au contraire....he's killing Dan Turpin

Wrong. The shot is only lethal to Darkseid's spirit because it is a radion bullet but for Dan Turpin's body, this is just a shot to the shoulder.

Now, I do not remember Turpin dying in Final Crisis but if he did, this was probably the black flash/racer's doing, not Batman's shot to the shoulder.

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@DarthShap said:

@walkingcarpet said:

At the same time, Batman firing a gun and killing someone seems a bit out of character. Though, I guess it's not too far out of character for Morrison's Batman.

Au contraire, it is 100% in character. Batman is not killing anyone here. Darkseid has been dead for days at this point. He was killed by Orion in Countdown. What happened is his spirit refused death and in his fall, reality was shattered (DC Universe 0). What is left of Darkseid is nothing but the spirit of pure evil, the very evil Batman swore to fight after the shooting of his parents. Like so many things in Morrison's run, this is all symbolics.

Au contraire....he's killing Dan Turpin

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"#1: Whatever happened in the last issue I read."

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Conan the Barbarian meets Elric of Melniboné in Conan the Barbarian #14 "A Sword Called Stormbringer!"

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Indiana Jones meets Han solo in Star Wars Tales #19 "Into the Great Unknown"

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Power Girl and Terra meeth The Big Bang Theory Gang, sans Penny: Power Girl #4"Girls Night Out!"

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Indiana Jones meets Han solo in Star Wars Tales #19 "Inot the Great Unknown":

Spider-Man meets Powder Toasted Man, Ren and Stimpy The Ren & Stimpy Show #6 "Amazing Spider-Man VS. Powdered Toast Man"

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Superman and The Creeper meet Mexico's greatest hero, ¡El Chapulín Colorado!: Action Comics #820 "Wail of The Banshee"

The Simpsons meet The Fellowship of The Ring: Bart Simpson's Treehouse of Horror #9 "Ring Around The Simpsons"

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Sledge Hammer meets Spider-Man and Smokey the Bear!: Sledge Hammer #2 "Illegal Weapons"

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I think it speaks volumes that Darkseid was so evil that Batman, BATMAN of all people, shot him.

The moment that Marvel revealed Wolverine's origin, he stopped being cool. I think that Logan's background should have never been revealed at all. The mystery was a huge part of the character. Plus, I think him existing back in the 1900s is too far back to be plausible. 1930s and no sooner makes more sense to me.

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@walkingcarpet: I don't like that much Morrison, but I like your style, got to give you that! Anyway, we do know (or we should know) that every artist wants to give an element of his own, especially when we're talking about Batman (imagine recognisability after a succesful run), so I guess it's not that bad. It's actually very predictable and senseful. But, that gun...aaaaaaaa...(I hate it, lol)... Do you know what you just did to me now? You'll make me read again the whole Morrison's run on Batsy. Anyway, have you read Batman 666 with Damian? Is it me or the Batman of future, Damian, has Morrison's face? When I showed that to a buddy of mine sharing my comic passion we laughed till we ran out of breath. Take a look, if you have the comic and inform me, if it's me seeing Grant there...

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@Phaedrusgr: Morrison definitely isn't for everyone, and the man himself comes off as kind of a douche sometimes, which annoys me. I just like his completely bat-shit (see what I did there?) crazy style of story telling. It's a lot of fun, and even more fun to try to piece together all of the little details in his stories. I dig it, but a lot of people don't, and I get why. I hated Final Crisis and RIP the first time I read them.

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@DarthShap said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Sammo21 said:

@DarthShap: Batman using a gun, period, disturbs me.

Batman used Deathstroke's rifle to snipe Gunhawk and he did it so expertly that even Deathstroke was impressed(he stopped fighting Bruce and left his sword as a gift).Dick Grayson used to practice regularly with fire arms during his time in police(his aim too was flawless),Bruce was trained by Henri Ducard in fire arms.

Had Batman never sniped Gunhawk then Hawkleigh would have gone on to murder someone,likewise had he not shot Darkseid the universe would have died.

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@walkingcarpet: I see Batman using a gun as character growth. It's not just that he vowed to never use firearms. It was established (somewhere that I cannot recall right now) that he is actually afraid of guns. He bought a pistol as part of exposure therapy because seeing his parents murdered really did mess with him. In that context him using a gun doesn't show disrespect for the previously established work, it shows a HUGE step forward for the character himself. That he could overcome his fear like that in order to do what needed to be done shows how resolute Batman was in his actions. It gives the whole moment that much more impact BECAUSE he vowed not to use guns. If it was someone like Punisher or Vigilante doing then no one would bat an eye.

I liked most of Dixon's run but THIS was just 90's bull****. Batman should not be faced with a situation where he has to kill, especially with a gun.

When Morrison wrote this, I am pretty sure he was not in a 90's EXTREME!!! mood. He was not thinking about character growth. It is not like it means that from now on, Batman can use firearms.

What he wanted to do was complete the circle for Batman, something he had started years before that in his Batman run, heavily tied to FC. Batman's vow was against Evil and here is its very essence. To me, this is just symbolism.

Just an example.

Fair enough. I know there have been several instances of Bruce using a gun, he even does in TDKR (he wastes a mutant who threatens to kill a child), which is a great Batman story. As such, I guess it's It just is a detail that tends to bug me, not sure why, but it does. I guess it's not completely out of character in context, but it bugs me a little every time it happens.

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The ones i actually read were surprising moments but I think i've taken them for granted. Ganthet becoming a GL was awesome, and Spiderman showing who he was was neat, and wolverine getting his memories was shocking. Superman restarting the sun was different but not shocking or cool to me. But i can see how someone else might think so

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Actually I didn't find these moments so great. Logan starting remember everything was a little bit enthralling but that's it. I saw way better moments than these. Nevertheless I'm still agog about how the ranking will go on.

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#27, OJ eat your heart out

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In Marvel Comics universe, suit wear you !

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@haydenclaireheroes said:

Great List. My favorite from the ones on the list has to be when Peter Parker reveals his idenity in Civil War.

This. Gwen Stacy dying has to be in the top ten btw

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Bane breaking Bats has to be in the top 10. It just has to.

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@DarthShap said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Sammo21 said:

@DarthShap: Batman using a gun, period, disturbs me.

Batman used Deathstroke's rifle to snipe Gunhawk and he did it so expertly that even Deathstroke was impressed(he stopped fighting Bruce and left his sword as a gift).Dick Grayson used to practice regularly with fire arms during his time in police(his aim too was flawless),Bruce was trained by Henri Ducard in fire arms.

Had Batman never sniped Gunhawk then Hawkleigh would have gone on to murder someone,likewise had he not shot Darkseid the universe would have died.

@Ferro Vida said:

@walkingcarpet: I see Batman using a gun as character growth. It's not just that he vowed to never use firearms. It was established (somewhere that I cannot recall right now) that he is actually afraid of guns. He bought a pistol as part of exposure therapy because seeing his parents murdered really did mess with him. In that context him using a gun doesn't show disrespect for the previously established work, it shows a HUGE step forward for the character himself. That he could overcome his fear like that in order to do what needed to be done shows how resolute Batman was in his actions. It gives the whole moment that much more impact BECAUSE he vowed not to use guns. If it was someone like Punisher or Vigilante doing then no one would bat an eye.

I liked most of Dixon's run but THIS was just 90's bull****. Batman should not be faced with a situation where he has to kill, especially with a gun.

When Morrison wrote this, I am pretty sure he was not in a 90's EXTREME!!! mood. He was not thinking about character growth. It is not like it means that from now on, Batman can use firearms.

What he wanted to do was complete the circle for Batman, something he had started years before that in his Batman run, heavily tied to FC. Batman's vow was against Evil and here is its very essence. To me, this is just symbolism.

Just an example.

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I was stunned to see Morpheus here, but pleased at the same time. Not really sure how memorable #30 is though....

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@entropy_aegis said:

@Sammo21 said:

@DarthShap: Batman using a gun, period, disturbs me.

Batman used Deathstroke's rifle to snipe Gunhawk and he did it so expertly that even Deathstroke was impressed(he stopped fighting Bruce and left his sword as a gift).Dick Grayson used to practice regularly with fire arms during his time in police(his aim too was flawless),Bruce was trained by Henri Ducard in fire arms.

Had Batman never sniped Gunhawk then Hawkleigh would have gone on to murder someone,likewise had he not shot Darkseid the universe would have died.

@Ferro Vida said:

@walkingcarpet: I see Batman using a gun as character growth. It's not just that he vowed to never use firearms. It was established (somewhere that I cannot recall right now) that he is actually afraid of guns. He bought a pistol as part of exposure therapy because seeing his parents murdered really did mess with him. In that context him using a gun doesn't show disrespect for the previously established work, it shows a HUGE step forward for the character himself. That he could overcome his fear like that in order to do what needed to be done shows how resolute Batman was in his actions. It gives the whole moment that much more impact BECAUSE he vowed not to use guns. If it was someone like Punisher or Vigilante doing then no one would bat an eye.

I liked most of Dixon's run but THIS was just 90's bull****. Batman should not be faced with a situation where he has to kill, especially with a gun.

When Morrison wrote this, I am pretty sure he was not in a 90's EXTREME!!! mood. He was not thinking about character growth. It is not like it means that from now on, Batman can use firearms.

What he wanted to do was complete the circle for Batman, something he had started years before that in his Batman run, heavily tied to FC. Batman's vow was against Evil and here is its very essence. To me, this is just symbolism.

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@DarthShap: Well I can point out Final Crisis then. Darkseid was never supposed to find the Anti-Life Equation because it wasn't supposed to exist. That's the way Jack Kirby created it. 'Seid was supposed to be on an endless search for it and then die by Orion's hand eventually. So he doesn't respect that as well, has the ALE found and Darkseid takes over all, all the while amping him up to pretty much be the God of Evil (something he wasn't supposed to be either), and then, though he "dies" by Orion's hand, he is ENDED by Batman.

I would agree about the Anti-Life Equation if Darkseid and the New Gods were not already dead by Final Crisis. FC is an epilogue to Kirby's story, after the death of all its characters. It all started in Seven Soldiers. There, Morrison took the concept of the New Gods, their essence, and brought it to our plane after the "war in heaven", the death of them all.

In Kirby's New Gods #1, from the get-go, we knew that there came a time when the (...) gods died and that it brought the end of an age and the beginning of another. I find it incredibly powerful for Darkseid, master of the Omega sanction, so basically master of the end of all things, to refuse his own and, in doing so, bring down all the New Gods with him to our plane.

And yes, Darkseid was not literally THE God of Evil in Kirby's Fourth World but definitely the ruler of everything that is evil in the and a god so suffice it to say, it is not that much of a stretch.

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@DarthShap
Well I can point out Final Crisis then.  Darkseid was never supposed to find the Anti-Life Equation because it wasn't supposed to exist.  That's the way Jack Kirby created it.  'Seid was supposed to be on an endless search for it and then die by Orion's hand eventually.  So he doesn't respect that as well, has the ALE found and Darkseid takes over all, all the while amping him up to pretty much be the God of Evil (something he wasn't supposed to be either),  and then, though he "dies" by Orion's hand, he is ENDED by Batman. 
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YES! Very awesome they put Iron Man getting Extremis on the list here. That was around the time when I first started to read comic books. Iron Man being the first series I dug into. Also, All-Star Superman ftw. ^_^

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A lot of items on this list wouldn't make my top 50.

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@walkingcarpet: I see Batman using a gun as character growth. It's not just that he vowed to never use firearms. It was established (somewhere that I cannot recall right now) that he is actually afraid of guns. He bought a pistol as part of exposure therapy because seeing his parents murdered really did mess with him. In that context him using a gun doesn't show disrespect for the previously established work, it shows a HUGE step forward for the character himself. That he could overcome his fear like that in order to do what needed to be done shows how resolute Batman was in his actions. It gives the whole moment that much more impact BECAUSE he vowed not to use guns. If it was someone like Punisher or Vigilante doing then no one would bat an eye.

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From these moments here I digged the most the one where Batman shoots at Darkseid and Superman rebooting the sun.These moments were amazing.I can't wait to see which moment will be on the first place

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@walkingcarpet: Thanks for your last statement. That is what I'm trying to say. Apart from that, I totally respect your opinion regarding to Morrison. He's not my style. See you around.

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@DarthShap: I've been a Batman comics reader for a lot of time now. I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree, even if that makes me in your eyes another ignorant wanna be Batman comic fan. Take care, man, and see you around.

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@walkingcarpet: That was the whole point... The sheer epicness of the act was that in order to save the earth and the entire universe.. He had to simul;taneously break two of the rules that make him who he is.... Doesnt get more majestic than that, my only disappointment here is how LOW in the rankings this one came >:\

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@Sammo21 said:

@DarthShap: Batman using a gun, period, disturbs me.

Batman used Deathstroke's rifle to snipe Gunhawk and he did it so expertly that even Deathstroke was impressed(he stopped fighting Bruce and left his sword as a gift).Dick Grayson used to practice regularly with fire arms during his time in police(his aim too was flawless),Bruce was trained by Henri Ducard in fire arms.

Had Batman never sniped Gunhawk then Hawkleigh would have gone on to murder someone,likewise had he not shot Darkseid the universe would have died.