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The 50 Greatest Moments in Comics: #30-21

Everybody's got their favorite moments, but here are our picks for the indisputably GREATEST ones.

The Comic Vine staff has put our noggins together to collect and codify the all-time greatest moments in comics.

We make no pretense at any academic objectivity here - - these aren't supposed to be the most "important" to the history of the medium. These are simply the times where we've been so wrapped up in a story that we literally had to say "Wow!" when we turned the page. These are the most-memorable pages or panels for readers like you (as decided by our highly-discriminating reckoning.)

These are the top fifty greatest moments in comics...

We pity the fools who don't see how this is one of the greatest moments in comics.
We pity the fools who don't see how this is one of the greatest moments in comics.

We’re counting down moments #30-21 today. Catch up on moments #50-41 and #40-31.

== TEASER ==

30. Ganthet becomes a Green Lantern in BLACKEST NIGHT #6

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Few times has a bit of cosmic wordplay had this kind of dramatic significance in a comic. For the Guardian who fatefully gave Kyle Rayner the last power ring after EMERALD TWILIGHT and subsequently raised his resurrected brethren after Rayner brought them back through Ion power, “Hope” is truly the first word anybody should use when describing Ganthet. Thus, it makes perfect sense that he’d found the Blue Lantern Corps? And it's perfectly fitting that Ganthet, after being expelled from the Guardians for having emotions of all things, would put himself back into the GLC during the entire Emotional Spectrum’s darkest hour.

29. Gepetto revealed to be the Adversary in FABLES #40

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Nobody in million years would ever expect an arch-villain called “the Adversary” to actually be the gentle old carpenter who created Pinocchio… but it is always, indeed, the last one you suspect. This shocking revelation connected so many puzzle pieces in the mythos of FABLES; not least of which was an explanation for why exactly it was an army of wooden soldiers who drove our favorite storytime characters out of their homes and into their little ghetto in New York City. The man who shaped the fates of so many - - who was really the driving force behind the series - - was a man who most people picture doing the jitterbug and wishing upon a star. Brilliant.

28. Plastic Man survives for 3000 years under the sea in JLA #76

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If you’ve ever had trouble keeping track of all the paradoxes and concurrent happenstances in a time-travel story, just imagine how confused the actual participants must get. Such was the case in THE OBSIDIAN AGE, when two JLA teams were fighting two battles some 3000 years apart from each other. In the fracas, the main League actually lost track of Plastic Man and the flexible funnyman was accidentally left behind in pre-historic times. Oops! When the League returned to the present, they realized their mistake and went back to find Plas was right where they left him on the bottom of the Atlantic… three millennia prior. Punchlines rarely get as epic as this. Plas should count himself lucky for being immortal, and we should count ourselves lucky for him not being bio-degradable.

27. Magneto found “Not Guilty” in UNCANNY X-MEN #200

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It goes to show that the letter of the law can allow for even the most inconceivable of verdicts to be reached. Case in point: the most infamous mutant terrorist in the world getting this sort of favorable sentence from a UN tribunal when he’s put on trial for his countless crimes. It certainly helped that he had Prof. X working as his defense attorney. Even if the entire jury wasn’t totally convinced during the actual hearings, they were certainly grateful to be on Magneto’s good side when he subsequently saved them from an attack by Fenris. Chris Claremont packed one wallop after another for this milestone anniversary issue and the fact that we’re putting this up here instead of Cable’s birth speaks volumes as to just how shocking it was to witness.

26. Superman reboots the sun in ALL-STAR SUPERMAN #12

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Even if you haven’t a clue as to what a “solar-radio consciousness” actually is, you’ve got to admit that the greatest “labor” of Superman - - a superhero powered by yellow sunrays - - would just have to center on the Sun. Embracing the Silver Age's surrealistic whimsy full-on, this maxi-series concludes with Supes literally diving into the Solar core and building Sol a new, mechanical heart to keep it running after the meddling of the tyrant sun, Solaris. You get the sense that Lois Lane holds this exact image in her mind when she insists that, despite world opinion, Kal-El actual isn't dead, just preparing to return; and that says something profound about Superman's power as a symbol of hope. Fun fact: In Morrison's DC 1 Million, Superman remerges from the Sun as a golden Superman Prime after 15,000 years of collecting energy.

25. Tony Stark injects himself with Extremis in IRON MAN #5

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The tough part about updating Iron Man is trying to find new, clever gadgets and properly fresh gimmicks for each Mark of his armor. From transistor power to modular assembly and from underwater capability to the outer-space variety, the cool exec with the heart of steel has incorporated it all. So where can you go in the 2000s? Well, you can merge Tony with his armor. This storyline saw Mr. Stark taking in a substance that’s variously called a “virus” or a “super-soldier serum” (fittingly putting him into Cap’s lineage) called Extremis; a cutting edge variety of nano-technology that connects his brain directly to computers and alleviates a lot of his human frailties (like heart problems!) More importantly, it lets him put his armor instantaneously at any moment. After this, there was really not much point in Tony upgrading his suit because, ever after, he is the suit.

24. Peter Parker reveals his identity in CIVIL WAR #2

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As we all know, the quality that defines Spider-Man the most is larger-than-life sense of responsibility. Thus, if Iron Man asks him to answer to the American people and submit to the Superhuman Registration Act, Peter Parker will own up to what he feels is required of him and blow a secret he’s gone to great lengths over a great many years to keep secret. That this would eventually bring super-villainous reprisals onto his loved ones actually put Spidey right between two very big responsibilities and gave us, the readers, some very great drama.

Even though this particular genie was eventually put back into its bottle with ONE MORE DAY, there’s still no denying how striking this particular unmasking remains.

23. Batman shoots Darkseid in FINAL CRISIS #6

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Who can think of a more fitting way to conclude one of the single most far-out crossovers ever than to have the mere human Batman mortally wounding the evil god Darkseid by popping a cap in him? After millennia of galactic wars and after countless failed attempts by superhumans, this legendary despot's undoing finally came down to a small “Radion bullet.” Granted, to do this, Bats also had to get hit by some pesky Omega Beams that sent him back to primeval times and put him through a long spot of trouble… but it was still a hell of a finish. And a lasting one, actually. Darkseid may have returned in the pages of JUSTICE LEAGUE, but it’s the New 52 version. The classic one? He’s still dead. Batman's win is still good.

22. Morpheus (Dream of the Endless) dies in SANDMAN #69

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Dream, as depicted in SANDMAN, was more like the gods of classical mythology than any of the gods we’re used to in comics. His personality couldn't quite be understood in normal, human terms and his “life” couldn't quite be compared to a normal, human cycle. Thus, it fit that his death would embody both of those qualities. He was killed by the Furies in act of vengeance after his servants stole a superhuman baby, Daniel, whose parents violated rules of the Dreaming during his incubation. And, after he died, young Daniel took his place in the Endless, but in a way that actually somehow preserved Morpheus' identity. It was a very artistic take on that old phrase of "The king is dead, long live the king" and a very appropriate ending to a series defined by many such supernatural nuances.

21. Wolverine regains all his memories in HOUSE OF M #8

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It was an enduring debate; one that would seemingly never end - - if you took away Wolverine’s mystery, would you also take away his appeal? This particular genie was finally let out of the bottle in ‘05, a few years after another of Logan’s genies was released in ORIGIN. It was the perfect irony to have a man who can’t remember his own past be the only one to remember what life was like prior to the Scarlet Witch's “world gone mad” reality warp. So it was truly fitting that one lasting consequence of this event would make this famous amnesiac finally regained all his once-hazy memories in perfect lucidity. Now that the debate's been solved, for good, we think you'll agree that Wolverine's still cool, even if he does remembers a lot of things he once forgot.

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One word to Morrison totally disregarding past work and established character: Magneto
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@AtraCruor said:

@DarthShap: One word to Morrison totally disregarding past work and established character: Magneto

I would not know about that. I have not read his run on X-Men because I do not read Marvel but OK I will give you that one. That being said, for all I know, he just does not care more about Marvel than I. ^^

I only care for DC and with the exception maybe of his Doom Patrol, everything he has done for DC is nothing but a show of great respect for his predecessors, more so than any other writer I can think of.

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Short version of what he did: he wrote Magneto so out of character and so badly Marvel had it retconned to be a completely different one posing as him two weeks after Morrison's arc was finished.
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Great stuff thus far! Can't wait to see the next installment :)

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@Sammo21 said:

I really think Batman shooting Darkseid is an antithesis for the character in general. Poor moment, personally. Not to mention Final Crisis was garbage.

Wait though...in new 52 if none of the "Crisis" storylines have happened...then how did Batman "die" and then come back to form Batman, Inc?

Yeah, when I saw that image I knew the hate would fly over Final Crisis. :) This breakdown has been great, though.

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@AtraCruor said:

@DarthShap: Short version of what he did: he wrote Magneto so out of character and so badly Marvel had it retconned to be a completely different one posing as him two weeks after Morrison's arc was finished.

And I believe you but this example does not prove that "He loves changing everything showing total disrespect to previous work". Most of his work (and by that I mean his DC/Vertigo work) is deeply rooted in the past, with tons of references to previous work.

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Sniff. The scenes when Morpheus dies and Daniel becomes king always make me throat-lumpy. Especially Matthew the Raven's final/first talks with both of them. 8..(

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some of these moments don't seem "great" as much as they do "cool" i mean yeah the plastic man thing was cool..but come on, it's not the greatest moments

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@Moment #24: 
   QUESSSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! (the Khan to my Kirk)
 
 @Moment #23:
 
    What was good about it is that batman did two things he swore he never would do as a crime fighter. 1) Use a gun, 2) kill a living being. to me it was an epic death that was cheapened when he returned only but a few months later.

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Great List. My favorite from the ones on the list has to be when Peter Parker reveals his idenity in Civil War.

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@Phaedrusgr said:

@walkingcarpet: Batman holding a gun...One more time Morrison chooses to show his own version of a hero acting in a way of total disrespect to the hero's origin, saga etc. Well, not my favourite moment.

The thing is, there is no Morrison's Batman. What Morrison did was take the modern Batman (basically O'Neil's interpretation of the character, reworked by Englehart, Miller, Moore, Milligan, Loeb, Rucka, Brubaker, DeMatteis, Dixon, Grant, Moench and so on) and reintroduce in a darker more realistic tone elements from the Silver Age.

All Star Goddamn Batman is Miller's crappy new version of the character but what Morrison has been doing is completely different.

Batman is not just holding a gun. Morrison knows very well Batman would never use a gun or kill someone. This is not a rookie mistake. What it is a representation of Batman striking the ultimate evil, its very essence in the body of Dan Turpin as well as each and every human being infected by anti-life.

I'm not saying it was a mistake, and I'm a huge Morrison fan. His Batman run has been great, and I'm one of about four people I know that actually like Final Crisis. I do think that the moment is a weird one. I think it is super powerful to have Bruce destroy a god, especially given the extra context of Batman #701 and #702 where Bruce muses about the way that the rest of the JLA demands just as much of him as they do anyone else, in spite of his only being human. However, the gun was the thing that I go back and forth on. He does address the fact that he had made a "very solemn vow about firearms" but he does seem pretty indifferent to breaking that vow when it is such a huge part of his character.

I missed Countdown, though, so I wasn't aware that Darkseid was already dead. It makes sense. I just assumed that something had happened to make the New Gods, or at least the evil ones, that got rid of their physical forms and meant that they had to possess people. Even if Bruce isn't killing Darkseid, however, he's certainly killing Tarpin, unless he's already dead as well, though don't they manage to save the Alpha Lantern that Granny Goodness possessed? I don't know, I could be mistaken.

I like the moment, and I think it's a great moment for Bruce's character, it's just the detail of the gun. Given the way that Morrison writes him, as someone who always outsmarts the enemy, you'd think he'd be able to come up with something besides a gun.

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Pretty sure some things are still hazy for Wolverine because of Weapon Plus's memory tampering but his memory is practically in tact.

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@Decept-O said:

The story line involving Plastic Man is one I definitely remember. I thought it was unique to say the least, a nice twist on the time travel concept. Not certain if it was one of the most memorable or kick ass moments but it was a good one.

Not as unique as you'd think. It was done in Futurama and I seem to recall this theme coming up now and then in various sci-fi. First one that comes to mind is Marvin in The Hitch Hiker's Guide.

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Spider-Man taking his mask off is just ridiculous. It was the downfall of intelligent Marvel event-writing. 

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@Phaedrusgr said:

@DarthShap: I won't disagree at all, but you think he couldn't present it in another way? Isn't it cocky for a Batman writer showing Bruce holding a gun? I don't know. I mean I totally respect your well put opinion, but honestly Morrison's been doing it in many heroes. Anyone can notice it. He loves changing everything showing total disrespect to previous work. Of course I won't say all of his runs on Batman etc aren't good. I'm not that much of a Morrison hater. Anyway, I liked the way you dealt with the matter. Take care. You do know Batman, I'll give you that!

Incorrect,Morrisons entire Batman run has been filled with references straight from the Golden age up to the modern one.If he's screwing as you put it then he's doing so by being fully knowledgeble on the character mythos.

Morrison is the Batman encyclopedia,every panel is a tribute to some Batman story.He himself stated that to him everything is canon.

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@Sammo21 said:

@DarthShap: Batman using a gun, period, disturbs me.

Batman used Deathstroke's rifle to snipe Gunhawk and he did it so expertly that even Deathstroke was impressed(he stopped fighting Bruce and left his sword as a gift).Dick Grayson used to practice regularly with fire arms during his time in police(his aim too was flawless),Bruce was trained by Henri Ducard in fire arms.

Had Batman never sniped Gunhawk then Hawkleigh would have gone on to murder someone,likewise had he not shot Darkseid the universe would have died.

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@walkingcarpet: That was the whole point... The sheer epicness of the act was that in order to save the earth and the entire universe.. He had to simul;taneously break two of the rules that make him who he is.... Doesnt get more majestic than that, my only disappointment here is how LOW in the rankings this one came >:\

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@DarthShap: I've been a Batman comics reader for a lot of time now. I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree, even if that makes me in your eyes another ignorant wanna be Batman comic fan. Take care, man, and see you around.

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@walkingcarpet: Thanks for your last statement. That is what I'm trying to say. Apart from that, I totally respect your opinion regarding to Morrison. He's not my style. See you around.

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From these moments here I digged the most the one where Batman shoots at Darkseid and Superman rebooting the sun.These moments were amazing.I can't wait to see which moment will be on the first place

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@walkingcarpet: I see Batman using a gun as character growth. It's not just that he vowed to never use firearms. It was established (somewhere that I cannot recall right now) that he is actually afraid of guns. He bought a pistol as part of exposure therapy because seeing his parents murdered really did mess with him. In that context him using a gun doesn't show disrespect for the previously established work, it shows a HUGE step forward for the character himself. That he could overcome his fear like that in order to do what needed to be done shows how resolute Batman was in his actions. It gives the whole moment that much more impact BECAUSE he vowed not to use guns. If it was someone like Punisher or Vigilante doing then no one would bat an eye.

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A lot of items on this list wouldn't make my top 50.

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YES! Very awesome they put Iron Man getting Extremis on the list here. That was around the time when I first started to read comic books. Iron Man being the first series I dug into. Also, All-Star Superman ftw. ^_^

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Well I can point out Final Crisis then.  Darkseid was never supposed to find the Anti-Life Equation because it wasn't supposed to exist.  That's the way Jack Kirby created it.  'Seid was supposed to be on an endless search for it and then die by Orion's hand eventually.  So he doesn't respect that as well, has the ALE found and Darkseid takes over all, all the while amping him up to pretty much be the God of Evil (something he wasn't supposed to be either),  and then, though he "dies" by Orion's hand, he is ENDED by Batman. 
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@AtraCruor said:

@DarthShap: Well I can point out Final Crisis then. Darkseid was never supposed to find the Anti-Life Equation because it wasn't supposed to exist. That's the way Jack Kirby created it. 'Seid was supposed to be on an endless search for it and then die by Orion's hand eventually. So he doesn't respect that as well, has the ALE found and Darkseid takes over all, all the while amping him up to pretty much be the God of Evil (something he wasn't supposed to be either), and then, though he "dies" by Orion's hand, he is ENDED by Batman.

I would agree about the Anti-Life Equation if Darkseid and the New Gods were not already dead by Final Crisis. FC is an epilogue to Kirby's story, after the death of all its characters. It all started in Seven Soldiers. There, Morrison took the concept of the New Gods, their essence, and brought it to our plane after the "war in heaven", the death of them all.

In Kirby's New Gods #1, from the get-go, we knew that there came a time when the (...) gods died and that it brought the end of an age and the beginning of another. I find it incredibly powerful for Darkseid, master of the Omega sanction, so basically master of the end of all things, to refuse his own and, in doing so, bring down all the New Gods with him to our plane.

And yes, Darkseid was not literally THE God of Evil in Kirby's Fourth World but definitely the ruler of everything that is evil in the and a god so suffice it to say, it is not that much of a stretch.

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@entropy_aegis said:

@Sammo21 said:

@DarthShap: Batman using a gun, period, disturbs me.

Batman used Deathstroke's rifle to snipe Gunhawk and he did it so expertly that even Deathstroke was impressed(he stopped fighting Bruce and left his sword as a gift).Dick Grayson used to practice regularly with fire arms during his time in police(his aim too was flawless),Bruce was trained by Henri Ducard in fire arms.

Had Batman never sniped Gunhawk then Hawkleigh would have gone on to murder someone,likewise had he not shot Darkseid the universe would have died.

@Ferro Vida said:

@walkingcarpet: I see Batman using a gun as character growth. It's not just that he vowed to never use firearms. It was established (somewhere that I cannot recall right now) that he is actually afraid of guns. He bought a pistol as part of exposure therapy because seeing his parents murdered really did mess with him. In that context him using a gun doesn't show disrespect for the previously established work, it shows a HUGE step forward for the character himself. That he could overcome his fear like that in order to do what needed to be done shows how resolute Batman was in his actions. It gives the whole moment that much more impact BECAUSE he vowed not to use guns. If it was someone like Punisher or Vigilante doing then no one would bat an eye.

I liked most of Dixon's run but THIS was just 90's bull****. Batman should not be faced with a situation where he has to kill, especially with a gun.

When Morrison wrote this, I am pretty sure he was not in a 90's EXTREME!!! mood. He was not thinking about character growth. It is not like it means that from now on, Batman can use firearms.

What he wanted to do was complete the circle for Batman, something he had started years before that in his Batman run, heavily tied to FC. Batman's vow was against Evil and here is its very essence. To me, this is just symbolism.

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I was stunned to see Morpheus here, but pleased at the same time. Not really sure how memorable #30 is though....

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@DarthShap said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Sammo21 said:

@DarthShap: Batman using a gun, period, disturbs me.

Batman used Deathstroke's rifle to snipe Gunhawk and he did it so expertly that even Deathstroke was impressed(he stopped fighting Bruce and left his sword as a gift).Dick Grayson used to practice regularly with fire arms during his time in police(his aim too was flawless),Bruce was trained by Henri Ducard in fire arms.

Had Batman never sniped Gunhawk then Hawkleigh would have gone on to murder someone,likewise had he not shot Darkseid the universe would have died.

@Ferro Vida said:

@walkingcarpet: I see Batman using a gun as character growth. It's not just that he vowed to never use firearms. It was established (somewhere that I cannot recall right now) that he is actually afraid of guns. He bought a pistol as part of exposure therapy because seeing his parents murdered really did mess with him. In that context him using a gun doesn't show disrespect for the previously established work, it shows a HUGE step forward for the character himself. That he could overcome his fear like that in order to do what needed to be done shows how resolute Batman was in his actions. It gives the whole moment that much more impact BECAUSE he vowed not to use guns. If it was someone like Punisher or Vigilante doing then no one would bat an eye.

I liked most of Dixon's run but THIS was just 90's bull****. Batman should not be faced with a situation where he has to kill, especially with a gun.

When Morrison wrote this, I am pretty sure he was not in a 90's EXTREME!!! mood. He was not thinking about character growth. It is not like it means that from now on, Batman can use firearms.

What he wanted to do was complete the circle for Batman, something he had started years before that in his Batman run, heavily tied to FC. Batman's vow was against Evil and here is its very essence. To me, this is just symbolism.

Just an example.

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Bane breaking Bats has to be in the top 10. It just has to.

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@haydenclaireheroes said:

Great List. My favorite from the ones on the list has to be when Peter Parker reveals his idenity in Civil War.

This. Gwen Stacy dying has to be in the top ten btw

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In Marvel Comics universe, suit wear you !

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#27, OJ eat your heart out

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Actually I didn't find these moments so great. Logan starting remember everything was a little bit enthralling but that's it. I saw way better moments than these. Nevertheless I'm still agog about how the ranking will go on.

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The ones i actually read were surprising moments but I think i've taken them for granted. Ganthet becoming a GL was awesome, and Spiderman showing who he was was neat, and wolverine getting his memories was shocking. Superman restarting the sun was different but not shocking or cool to me. But i can see how someone else might think so

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@Phaedrusgr: Morrison definitely isn't for everyone, and the man himself comes off as kind of a douche sometimes, which annoys me. I just like his completely bat-shit (see what I did there?) crazy style of story telling. It's a lot of fun, and even more fun to try to piece together all of the little details in his stories. I dig it, but a lot of people don't, and I get why. I hated Final Crisis and RIP the first time I read them.

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@DarthShap: Batman using a gun, period, disturbs me.

Batman used Deathstroke's rifle to snipe Gunhawk and he did it so expertly that even Deathstroke was impressed(he stopped fighting Bruce and left his sword as a gift).Dick Grayson used to practice regularly with fire arms during his time in police(his aim too was flawless),Bruce was trained by Henri Ducard in fire arms.

Had Batman never sniped Gunhawk then Hawkleigh would have gone on to murder someone,likewise had he not shot Darkseid the universe would have died.

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@walkingcarpet: I see Batman using a gun as character growth. It's not just that he vowed to never use firearms. It was established (somewhere that I cannot recall right now) that he is actually afraid of guns. He bought a pistol as part of exposure therapy because seeing his parents murdered really did mess with him. In that context him using a gun doesn't show disrespect for the previously established work, it shows a HUGE step forward for the character himself. That he could overcome his fear like that in order to do what needed to be done shows how resolute Batman was in his actions. It gives the whole moment that much more impact BECAUSE he vowed not to use guns. If it was someone like Punisher or Vigilante doing then no one would bat an eye.

I liked most of Dixon's run but THIS was just 90's bull****. Batman should not be faced with a situation where he has to kill, especially with a gun.

When Morrison wrote this, I am pretty sure he was not in a 90's EXTREME!!! mood. He was not thinking about character growth. It is not like it means that from now on, Batman can use firearms.

What he wanted to do was complete the circle for Batman, something he had started years before that in his Batman run, heavily tied to FC. Batman's vow was against Evil and here is its very essence. To me, this is just symbolism.

Just an example.

Fair enough. I know there have been several instances of Bruce using a gun, he even does in TDKR (he wastes a mutant who threatens to kill a child), which is a great Batman story. As such, I guess it's It just is a detail that tends to bug me, not sure why, but it does. I guess it's not completely out of character in context, but it bugs me a little every time it happens.

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@walkingcarpet: I don't like that much Morrison, but I like your style, got to give you that! Anyway, we do know (or we should know) that every artist wants to give an element of his own, especially when we're talking about Batman (imagine recognisability after a succesful run), so I guess it's not that bad. It's actually very predictable and senseful. But, that gun...aaaaaaaa...(I hate it, lol)... Do you know what you just did to me now? You'll make me read again the whole Morrison's run on Batsy. Anyway, have you read Batman 666 with Damian? Is it me or the Batman of future, Damian, has Morrison's face? When I showed that to a buddy of mine sharing my comic passion we laughed till we ran out of breath. Take a look, if you have the comic and inform me, if it's me seeing Grant there...

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I think it speaks volumes that Darkseid was so evil that Batman, BATMAN of all people, shot him.

The moment that Marvel revealed Wolverine's origin, he stopped being cool. I think that Logan's background should have never been revealed at all. The mystery was a huge part of the character. Plus, I think him existing back in the 1900s is too far back to be plausible. 1930s and no sooner makes more sense to me.

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Power Girl and Terra meeth The Big Bang Theory Gang, sans Penny: Power Girl #4"Girls Night Out!"

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Conan the Barbarian meets Elric of Melniboné in Conan the Barbarian #14 "A Sword Called Stormbringer!"

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Indiana Jones meets Han solo in Star Wars Tales #19 "Into the Great Unknown"

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"#1: Whatever happened in the last issue I read."

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@DarthShap said:

@walkingcarpet said:

At the same time, Batman firing a gun and killing someone seems a bit out of character. Though, I guess it's not too far out of character for Morrison's Batman.

Au contraire, it is 100% in character. Batman is not killing anyone here. Darkseid has been dead for days at this point. He was killed by Orion in Countdown. What happened is his spirit refused death and in his fall, reality was shattered (DC Universe 0). What is left of Darkseid is nothing but the spirit of pure evil, the very evil Batman swore to fight after the shooting of his parents. Like so many things in Morrison's run, this is all symbolics.

Au contraire....he's killing Dan Turpin

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@TheWitchingHour said:

@DarthShap said:

@walkingcarpet said:

At the same time, Batman firing a gun and killing someone seems a bit out of character. Though, I guess it's not too far out of character for Morrison's Batman.

Au contraire, it is 100% in character. Batman is not killing anyone here. Darkseid has been dead for days at this point. He was killed by Orion in Countdown. What happened is his spirit refused death and in his fall, reality was shattered (DC Universe 0). What is left of Darkseid is nothing but the spirit of pure evil, the very evil Batman swore to fight after the shooting of his parents. Like so many things in Morrison's run, this is all symbolics.

Au contraire....he's killing Dan Turpin

Wrong. The shot is only lethal to Darkseid's spirit because it is a radion bullet but for Dan Turpin's body, this is just a shot to the shoulder.

Now, I do not remember Turpin dying in Final Crisis but if he did, this was probably the black flash/racer's doing, not Batman's shot to the shoulder.

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@DarthShap said:

@TheWitchingHour said:

@DarthShap said:

@walkingcarpet said:

At the same time, Batman firing a gun and killing someone seems a bit out of character. Though, I guess it's not too far out of character for Morrison's Batman.

Au contraire, it is 100% in character. Batman is not killing anyone here. Darkseid has been dead for days at this point. He was killed by Orion in Countdown. What happened is his spirit refused death and in his fall, reality was shattered (DC Universe 0). What is left of Darkseid is nothing but the spirit of pure evil, the very evil Batman swore to fight after the shooting of his parents. Like so many things in Morrison's run, this is all symbolics.

Au contraire....he's killing Dan Turpin

Wrong. The shot is only lethal to Darkseid's spirit because it is a radion bullet but for Dan Turpin's body, this is just a shot to the shoulder.

Now, I do not remember Turpin dying in Final Crisis but if he did, this was probably the black flash/racer's doing, not Batman's shot to the shoulder.

Ouch, that had venom to it lol. But what about Darkseids confrontation with Superman? He basically mocks Kal-El for not being able to harm him due to the vessel he inhabits. Then Supes recognizes Turpin's DNA and there is a whole shock and awe thing. Batman either didn't know it was Turpin or he didn't care. And if it was the Black Racer who ultimately kills Turpin he was summoned because of the combination of Barry and Wally outrunning him along with Batman shooting Darkseid with radion. Ergo Batman killed Turpin whether it was due to the gunshot, the poisoning, or just by summoning the Black Racer. Although evidence of the body would've been erased by the miracle machine.

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@ApatheticAvenger: I would love to see Constantine's greatest con in the top 10. There were a lot of great moments during Garth Ennis' run.I'd also like to see Spider Jerusalem's final victor in Transmetropolitan.

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Ouch, that had venom to it lol. But what about Darkseids confrontation with Superman? He basically mocks Kal-El for not being able to harm him due to the vessel he inhabits. Then Supes recognizes Turpin's DNA and there is a whole shock and awe thing. Batman either didn't know it was Turpin or he didn't care. And if it was the Black Racer who ultimately kills Turpin he was summoned because of the combination of Barry and Wally outrunning him along with Batman shooting Darkseid with radion. Ergo Batman killed Turpin whether it was due to the gunshot, the poisoning, or just by summoning the Black Racer. Although evidence of the body would've been erased by the miracle machine.

Now that I think about it, I really do not think Dan Turpin died in Final Crisis. According to its conclusion, the casualties are only Batman, Martian Manhunter and the Hawks (but Johns had other plans for them and same thing for Aquaman's return). As you pointed out,the whole point was that because Darkseid was living in all humans, the heroes had lost because they could not just kill innocents. This would only make Batman's use of the radion bullet better. He found a loophole and that is why he is shooting Darkseid in the shoulder, to protect Turpin. Then the black racer, who mostly deals with Gods exorcised a weakened Darkseid out of Turpin.

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Comics are completely like soap operas.

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@DarthShap: Ok that sounds pretty accurate

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People talk about magneto being out of character in morrisons x men run sebastian shaw mysteriously gained telepathy for 1 time only and had no qualms with numerous x men being present in the hellfire club the only thingout of character for magneto was he allowed the two mutant children to die in the new x men annual

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Peter Parker revealing himself in Civil War was major