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Spider-Man Battle of the Week: Doctor Octopus vs. Kraven the Hunter

Otto Octavius or Sergei Kravinoff? These two Peter Parker foes are about to battle and you can vote for the winner!

Doctor Octopus and Kraven the Hunter are iconic Spider-Man villains. However, what helps them stand apart from so many of their evil peers is the fact both have bested the web-slinger and then posed as the hero. But who will be victorious when they clash against one another? Is Otto Octavius' intellect and multiple titanium arms too much to overcome or will Sergei Kravinoff's physicals, skill and weaponry allow him to take the win? We'll share our thoughts on Friday, but ultimately, the winner will be determined by the community's votes. So, after you've read all of the rules (don't be lazy and overlook them -- they're important), click the following link to vote and then leap into the debate.

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Match Rules

  • Combatants are in character.
  • This is a random encounter (aka no prep for either).
  • They're fighting in a generic downtown city setting. It's unpopulated, at night and all standard city lights remain on. Assume they start roughly 60 feet apart and visible. There's a fair amount of cover between them (parked vehicles, bus stops and such). The entire area is on limits. This means alleys, rooftops, building interiors, the sewer, etc.
  • Both characters have their standard gear.
  • As stated above, Otto has his titanium arms. This is before his condition went downhill and he required that special suit.
  • Incapacitation, knockout or death all count as elimination. Making a tactical retreat counts as a loss, too.
  • Hey, you know what would be really cool? Treating everyone else in the debate with respect. If you think someone's saying something that just isn't true, go ahead and stick to the facts to point out why. There's no need at all to drop insults just because you disagree with someone. Seriously, this is just talking about a fictional fight, there's no need for immaturity and mudslinging.
  • If you think the poll isn't going how it should, making an informative post about why a character is being underestimated and spreading the word is far more useful than complaining. Just saying.
  • One more thing: you don't need to write an essay to be selected as the Viner Argument of the Week. Sometimes concise posts can be way more effective than a flood of paragraphs.

Viners, you have the week to research, debate and vote! This means there's no reason to vote right away if you don't have all of the info you need to make an educated decision. Check the homepage Friday for an updated article with the following:

  • Thoughts from the staff.
  • A Viner Argument for both characters (can't include scans and must be in the poll thread).
  • If we're lucky, blurbs from industry talent.

Feel free to make future battle suggestions in the comments below or via Twitter! Want to continue celebrating Spidey? He'll be the topic of tomorrow's 'Question of the Week' and we previously posted his Best Battles and Best Covers. And if you're wondering why Parker's getting so much love, it's because he's our first Character of the Month.

45 Comments
Posted by sergiotorres0831

Kraven for the win

Posted by k4tzm4n
Posted by Autopsad

Well... Octopus is a scientist while Sergei's a hunter (who nearly killed and drove mad Spider-Man.)

I think Sergei would observe Otto trying to touch him and then, Sergei would laught at him and give him the final strike.

I mean, seriously, physially, Otto have no chance !!!

Posted by orionbolt

This is a joke right. I only see this fight going one way. Now Kraven vs Superior Spiderman

Posted by Juiceboks

I think people need to realize how strong Otto's tentacles are. If they can hold Spider-Man then Kraven's not breaking out of them. Now..if Kravinoff gives Otto the chance to grab him is another thing entirely. They both have worked with each other and know their tendencies and strengths. I personally see Kraven keeping his distance, goading him into a trap and taking him out from afar when Otto's not aware. Kraven's got the advantage of range and hunting skills..while Otto, as smart as he is, isn't as savvy as Kraven in this manner of combat.

Posted by micah

I'm thinking Kraven but not sure yet

Posted by snarkybits

WHICH SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN SHOULD I PICK?

I'mma go with Kraven.

Posted by Dernman

@k4tzm4n said:

@sergiotorres0831 said:

Kraven for the win

Why do you think Kraven wins?

ahem

A Viner Argument for both characters (can't include scans and must be in the poll thread).

Shame on you Katz. :p

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Posted by k4tzm4n

@dernman said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@sergiotorres0831 said:

Kraven for the win

Why do you think Kraven wins?

ahem

A Viner Argument for both characters (can't include scans and must be in the poll thread).

Shame on you Katz. :p

Ha. Eh, no harm in having good posts in here, too. After all, I'm sure some people read the comments in here before voting as well. And they can just copy/paste arguments -- if they want them to be considered for highlight -- into the other thread!

Edited by sergiotorres0831

@k4tzm4n: kraven has far more combat experience And battle tactics. Otto only has scientific genius.

Edited by ShadowPro

kraven stomps, if you give otto prep, he may stomp but not the case

Posted by mlunny1121

In a random encounter...with no prep.. Doc Ock would win. He could throw all those cars and stuff at Sergei...i would Sergei loses the battle, but preps really hard for if he encounters him again... By then Spidey would probably piss them both off and then they team up.

Posted by Lordhuck

Kraven will pull no punches like Spider-Man ALWAYS does with Otto. Kraven will hit Otto once and smash his head open like a rotten pumpkin.

Posted by jashro44

kraven stomps, if you give otto prep, he may stomp but not the case

Kraven isn't stomping dock ock

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Posted by Lurkero

Ever since Spectacular Spiderman I cannot see Kraven without his genetic enhancements. In a random encounter Kraven's brutal tactics and agility would likely get him close enough to Doc to impale Doc with a spear and deliver a finishing blow. I don't think Doc's arms will be good enough to prevent Kraven from delivering a critical blow.

That, and I like Kraven better. I always wished he was the Deathstroke of Spiderman comics.

Posted by VeganDiet

I have no idea how people think Kraven is going to win this. Ock, despite his lack of durability, has always managed to be an extremely difficult opponent physically for Spider-man. Kraven, meanwhile, has usually had to resort to prepping or drugging Spider-man to compete physically, with Spider-man sometimes managing to stomp him anyway.

Ock is too much for an unprepped Kraven.

Posted by jashro44

Reuploading Otto's reflex feats here. Various showings of him deflecting projectiles and dodging them.

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Posted by AmazingWebHead

I can't even pick this one. Way, WAY too close.

Posted by Lordhuck

The only reason Spider-Man has problems with Doc Ock is because Spidey is trying not to accidentally kill him.

Posted by jwrose5

Kraven- A passionate hunter as wild as his prey. He likes to toy with them after studying them extensively, putting them into strange situations like its a game. Against Spidey he would have obstacles and people to try and save, but no where near on the personal level that Norman Osborn would engage.

Octavius- Cold and calculating, He was the leader of the Sinister Six and always the man with the plan. Whether it was putting Spider-man through a gauntlet of enemies or taking the world hostage, his goals of destroying Spider-man and gaining respect in the scientific community always met each other.

This is a random encounter between the two, however, they have known each other and worked with each other for years. They both know each other's strengths and perhaps weaknesses and will try to use that against the other.

Kraven is one of those guys who always seems prepared. It is not unlikely that he would have some sort of tranquilizer stashed away somewhere in his leotard, among other things, so at the very least Kraven could make Ock disoriented, then using guerrilla tactics (Run in, evade, attack, retreat to safe distance, repeat) to slash him with his many knives/spears causing severe blood loss. To win Kraven would take out as many lights as possible, using the dark to his advantage. Nontheless, It'll still be damn hard for Kraven to win this one, even with his speed and agility, (which are nowhere near on par with Spidey, Venom or Kaine, but he still fights well enough with the skills he has to put them back on their heels). Kraven has an uncanny ability to gain the upper hand.

Ock is one damn smart cookie and very strong in his arms. His arms will be all over the place chasing Kraven around causing significant damage and protecting what lights he can, all the while looking for a pattern and an opening to give Kraven a wound of his own. Its one thing to simply hit Kraven. After shaking the cobwebs clear from his mind, Kraven would be on defence, evading those arms seeking his death. Ock would have the upper hand for a moment, but I don't imagine for long. Its a completely differently battle for Kraven once Ock grabs Kraven and wraps his arms around him. Kraven doesn't have Spidey's strength so he would have to get really creative in order to escape. Ock's weakness is his arrogance, claiming victory before KOing his enemy. All Kraven would need is a split second to use some sort of natural jungle venom/dust/herb in order to startle/distract Ock causing him to loosen his grip making it possible for the Hunter to escape that Tentacle Trap.

The key for Kraven to win is to change up his attack style every so often and remain free of Ock's arms. He can't be brawling or trying to match Ock hit for hit. The second Ock lays his tentacles on Kraven and keeps him in his grasp without boasting, its game over. Ock could crush Kraven and be done with him. I'm giving this to Kraven, but really it could go either way.

Posted by substance104

Doc Ock wins

Otto would probably mind jack kraven's half brain with a golden octobot and become Superior Kraven :D

Edited by Army2442

Doc ock wins he had range and strength edge over kraven and is much more ruthless.

Posted by Army2442

Doc ock wins he had range and strength edge over kraven and is much more ruthless.

Posted by tximinoman

Kraven, of course.

Otto has no patience.

Edited by jashro44

Kraven, of course.

Otto has no patience.

Why does doctor octopus need to be patient?

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Posted by TBEMrMcCoy

This actually hurts a little, but I have to give the slight edge to Doc Ock. Kraven is one of the best trackers/hunter in the Marvel U. Speed,senses,strength,agility, and feral rage make him an intimidating and dangerous character. But Doc Ock has that simple , yet dangerous advantage. Four titanium arms and they move at superhuman speed with what seems like a mind of their own. He has grabbed, hit, and slammed Spidey with those arms. It's like fighting four people at once. There is a small chance Kraven could get in close and kill him, but Doc Ock takes it 8/10 times with a titanium beat down.

Posted by thewalkingdeadpool18

Superior Spider-Man would destroy Kraven but Just Doc Ock would lose to Kraven.

Edited by jashro44

Superior Spider-Man would destroy Kraven but Just Doc Ock would lose to Kraven.

I see no reason dock ock would lose to Kraven.

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Edited by thewalkingdeadpool18

@jashro44:

No superpowers and far less skill? All he has over Kraven is brains. But if he was Spock he would have Spider-Mans skill and superpowers with Ocks brain and destroy Kraven.

Posted by jashro44

@jashro44:

No superpowers and far less skill? All he has over Kraven is brains. But if he was Spock he would have Spider-Mans skill and superpowers with Ocks brain and destroy Kraven.

His arms literally surpass Kraven in all stats. Otto doesn't need to match Kraven in skill considering he outclasses him quite a bit in reflexes with his mechanical arms.

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Posted by VeganDiet

Some serious SERIOUS underrating of Doc Ock going on in this thread. Have these people actually read comics with Ock in them?

Posted by NimaMindTricks

Go see what Kraven did to Kaine in their last encounter and you'll know who would win this. To quote Kaine "I'm faster than Spider-Man. Stronger too. And Kraven is still tearing me apart."

Keep in mind that Kraven in that fight (Scarlet Spider-Man 23) was distracted and obsessed with the idea of Kaine killing him so he can return to his "honorable" death via his suicide after hunting down Spider-Man in Last Hunt. I think after his ressurection (he yanked Peter's arm out of its socket without even trying) and his fight with Kaine that I just mentioned, I think it is safe to say Kraven's strength level has gone up since his 2 tonner days (maybe 5 - 7 tonner now?)

Despite this fight being a random encounter, Kraven and Otto have known each other for awhile from their tenure in the Sinister Six together. Kraven, we can presume based off his character, has likely studied and observed Otto's fighting strategy. In other words, Kraven knows what kind of "beast" he's tangling with in this encounter. He knows he has to keep his distance from the tentacles and try to use all the coverage available to make his tactical strike.

As far as "standard gear" goes, it would not be too foreign too assume Kraven has a blow dart or two on him, daggers (possibly poisoned), and some other primitive (but deadly) weapon on him. Kraven has top notch accuracy and agility, he's the perfect man to find the "opening" he needs to land the necessary strike to put Otto down. I can think of two instances (one against Kaine when he neck slashed him in "Grim Hunt") where Kraven was able to speed blitz (for lack of a better term) a Spidey for an attack.

In conclusion, due to fighting experience, prowess, cunning, agility, ruthlessness, tactical ability, and his familiarity with Otto, I give this fight to Kraven.

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Posted by The_Titan_Lord

Probably Kraven.

Posted by thewalkingdeadpool18

@jashro44:

Kraven is easily competition for his arms. Kravens strength along with overall skill a strategy etc would beat Ock no problem.

Edited by jashro44

@jashro44:

Kraven is easily competition for his arms. Kravens strength along with overall skill a strategy etc would beat Ock no problem.

Kraven is vastly weaker than doctor octopus physically.....And considering how outclassed he is reflex wise he isn't winning.

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Edited by thewalkingdeadpool18

@jashro44:

Dude what? Kraven has way faster reflexes and is strong then normal Ock his robot arms not sure but he could put up a fight against them.

Edited by jashro44

@thewalkingdeadpool18 said:

@jashro44:

Dude what? Kraven has way faster reflexes and is strong then normal Ock his robot arms not sure but he could put up a fight against them.

When I say Otto has better reflexes and strength I am obviously referring to his robot arms...In which case Otto outclasses him in both aspects easily. Kraven isn't winning a majority especially if it comes down to reflexes and strength.

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Posted by w0nd

which otto, the chubby one, the crippled one or the one who got fed up and started working out as well.

Posted by MASTER_OF_SUPRISE

After a lot of consideration I say Kraven. He's clearly shown being able to beat Spider-Man on his own and is able to match Kaine. Kaine actually beat Otto both as himself and after he hijacked Peter's mind. Otto would of course put up a fight but I think his arrogance would lead him to his downfall.

Posted by jashro44

After a lot of consideration I say Kraven. He's clearly shown being able to beat Spider-Man on his own and is able to match Kaine. Kaine actually beat Otto both as himself and after he hijacked Peter's mind. Otto would of course put up a fight but I think his arrogance would lead him to his downfall.

Kraven is not a match for spider-man....There are scans in this thread of Kraven losing to Peter...And Kaine would have lost to classic kaine, as for the fight with SpOck there is a difference between SpOck and doctor octopus. Not to mention Kaine is a vastly different enemy than Doctor octopus.

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Posted by Oni_Bane

I give this to Doc Ock, he humbled Spider-man in there first encounter. You also have to consider that Spider-man's agility is far superior to Kraven's. He has no problem catching and punishing Spider-man, why is Kraven any different? Doc Ock could easily just toss cars at Kraven, he can't dodge them all. I see no conceivable way that Kraven wins.

Edited by k4tzm4n

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