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Should The Black Panther and Storm Marriage Have Been Annulled?

We analyze what was wrong with the marriage of these two characters as well as the way it all ended.

A comic event can make drastic changes to the status-quo very quickly. We've seen this happen countless times. It's no question that writers often use events to propel their own agendas and get things to change fast, rather than having to develop a huge story to evoke those changes.

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In a single issue characters can die, they can become possessed, they can switch alliances, their marriages can fall apart -- all in the blink of an eye; or in the case of Marvel's AVENGERS VS. X-MEN event, all in one issue. It's hard to believe that a marriage and relationship that took writer Reginald Hudlin years to build could all be torn down in literally one panel like the marriage of Storm and T'Challa was in AVENGERS VS. X-MEN #9. If you haven't read the issue yet then, spoiler alert, the two are no longer married thanks to the High Priest of Wakanda's (T'Challa) annulment of their marriage. In fact, we mentioned the dissolution of their marriage in a recent article, but we didn't get into a whole lot of depth, which is why we're talking about it now.

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Regardless of how you felt about these two characters while they were married, you might agree that the way their marriage ended was rather bizarre. Aside from the fact that the whole scene was really disheartening and humiliating for Storm's character, it also made T'Challa look like a complete jerk; particularly since he blamed his now ex-wife for something he knew was coming (the destruction of Wakanda). But aside from the fact that both these characters looked bad, the way the creative team approached the dissolution of their marriage is a good example of the poor treatment of marriages in comic books.

Before we get into all of that, let's take a step back to analyze what really happened. Before the release of AVENGERS VS. X-MEN #9, Black Panther appeared in Jonathan Hickman's FANTASTIC Four #608. In this issue, T'Challa travels to Necropolis with Reed Richards and is met by a spirit of the Panther God, the same entity that bestowed the duties and responsibilities of the Black Panther onto T'Challa and then later, to his sister Shuri. There is a scene about halfway through the issue where we see the Panther God touch T'Challa's head; as though he is enlightening him and showing him a vision. In this vision, (which is illustrated on the following page in the issue) T'Challa sees a "great fire in the sky," (the Phoenix Force) and is told that "that fire will bring a great flood [to Wakanda]." T'Challa witnessed the coming destruction of Wakanda brought on by the Phoenix Force -- so when it actually happens in AVENGERS VS. X-MEN, why did it come as such a surprise to him? And why didn't T'Challa tell Storm about the vision? I feel like a flood is something that the Goddess of Weather could do something to help control -- even stop. Rather than approaching his wife, T'Challa dissolves their marriage acting as if it never happened: embarrassing her and treating it as though she is to blame for Wakanda's destruction. Now, that's not exactly the way two married people act, even in a crisis; and it's a poor reflection of married couples in comic books. When two married people disagree, they normally have enough respect for one another to talk things through. You can't just up and divorce someone because you feel like it. The scene in AVENGERS VS. X-MEN #9 was a great disservice to both characters. It made T'Challa appear too arrogant for his own good, and it made Storm look weak and unimportant. T'Challa essentially placed the blame on Ororo for the destruction of Wakanda when he knew it was coming all along (refer to the vision in FANTASTIC FOUR #608). This entire scene didn't really make sense considering T'Challa knew the destruction was coming, and Storm did not. Also, he really took the time to dissolve their marriage after Wakanda had been completely leveled? Why was that even a priority under those circumstances?

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Yet, some would say the annullment of Storm and T'Challa's marriage is something they saw coming. Prior to the AVENGERS VS X-MEN event, Storm and T'Challa have been living relatively separate lives. While he took over as the "Black Panther: Man Without Fear" in Hells Kitchen (while Daredevil trekked 'cross country to try to figure things out), Storm was playing on Utopia with the X-Men, solving mutant and X-Men problems. The two would occasionally "Skype" as we witnessed on panel, but for the most part, T'Challa would ask that Ororo stay away. He often acted like he did not want her around, at least that's the way it's been in the last year or so of his appearances. Yet, it wasn't always this way. There was a time where these two would work together; when they had a respectful relationship.

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Prior to their marriage issue, you might recall seeing a six-issue miniseries titled STORM that focused on the first meeting and the relationship between Black Panther and Storm. It was the story of how these two met and fell in love as children, and it outlined a very young, timid Ororo who was unsure of herself, and a somewhat overconfident T'Challa who had embarked on his "walkabout," and was traveling throughout Africa. It was as much a story about T'Challa's journey to become a warrior and Ororo's understanding of her own power as it was about the two of these characters falling in love. There were some great moments in this limited series, as well as some scenes that foretold of the way T'Challa would speak to Ororo in AVX #9 (his constantly putting her in her place). And while this series may have been well intentioned, it wasn't the best example of a solid foundation for their relationship.

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A better example of their interactions and the way they could work well together was seen when the two appeared in FANTASTIC FOUR alongside the Thing and Johnny Storm. The run where these two characters take over for Sue and Reed while they go on their "second honeymoon" is a fantastic example of how it is possible to write these two characters well and depict them working together. Late writer Dwayne McDuffie stressed mutual respect between these two characters in his series; and it was obvious. He proved that while these two are very different, they can still be written in a way that demonstrates that they have respect for one another.

What is frustrating isn't just the way their marriage ended (which was pretty cold, mind you), but also the events that led up to the end of the only black marriage in Marvel comics. These two could have had a great marriage. They could have worked together (as we saw in FANTASTIC FOUR) and this event could have been used as a hurtle they would overcome together in order to build a stronger relationship as well as a stronger Wakanda. It's enough that there aren't a whole lot of black heroes in comics -- there aren't very many marriages in comics period. This marriage had the potential to succeed and to be strong. It had the potential to flourish and be interesting. It could have been a great example, but in the end it all fell flat. The real slap in the face is in the way it ended. As though the last six years never even happened. Now, it's not that I was a huge fan of these two together, I'm just saying I could have been if their marriage and their characters were treated differently. Instead, it feels like Marvel just didn't know what to do with Black Panther and Storm. What do you think?

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@LadyLigeia said:

It was established they had an undying love for each other they were unable to pursue 32 years ago? If you don't mind, can you tell me approximately which issues showcased this? I have all of Claremont's run and I don't recall that at all.

That's because it wasn't in X-Men issues. It was in Marvel Team-Up #100. Chris Claremont wrote the book, and hinted on a mutual attraction that they had when they were teens. Eric Jerome Dickey expanded on that attraction in Storm's limited series right before she got married, retconning it into an actual relationship in which T'Challa took her virginity. Reginald Hudlin took it from there, having them break-up while they were still young because T'Challa felt the need to work towards being a king and enact his revenge against Klaw.

@LadyLigeia said:

Actually, I phrased it wrong. I meant, Storm getting married in Wakanda while her country was in a state of Civil War (mutant-superhero wise). Sorry for the poor writing. :)

The Civil War was insignificant to the X-Men. IIRC, they decided not to get involved. Storm had this conversation with Emma. Other than that, both Storm and Black Panther participated in the Civil War, anyway. They were a part of Captain America's Secret Avengers until Cap surrendered

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@Static Shock: Thanks for the heads up about it being in the Marvel Team Up book. I know about the retcon but it still felt off to me. I just wanted more expansion on the relationship, maybe even a mini with the two of them you know? I would have loved it.

Well, the Civil War could be considered insignificant to the X-Men and I remember Cyclops pretty much pointing out that the X-Men were pretty much registered already just by the common knowledge of their existence. Storm getting married however and the X-Men flying over to Wakanda so quickly after the deaths of so many students is something I don't see Storm not being sensitive to.

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@Static Shock said:

I need to clear up some things in this thread.

@pooty said:

They are turning him into an a$$hole like Batman.

Why do you care? You don't like T'Challa anymore, anyway... LOL.

There's nothing 'token black' about Black Panther....

@Silver Zeal said:

And BP got fame on his own...

He's not that famous, buddy.

I always hoped that he would return to being the man he once was. This is a huge step backwards

Tchalla is not a token black character. Falcon, War Machine and Rage filled those spots

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@pooty said:

I always hoped that he would return to being the man he once was. This is a huge step backwards

@Miss_Garrick Tchalla is not a token black character. Falcon, War Machine and Rage filled those spots

Rage isn't a token black superhero.
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@Vance Astro: he's the Urban version of the Hulk. If he never existed no one would ever notice.

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@pooty said:

@Vance Astro: he's the Urban version of the Hulk. If he never existed no one would ever notice.

Has nothing to do with being "token".
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@Vance Astro: wrong

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@pooty said:

@Vance Astro: wrong

Right.
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@Vance Astro said:

@pooty said:

@Vance Astro: wrong

Right.

Everything about him was a token stereotype. He was poor. No parents. Bad neighborhood. Bullied. torn between right and wrong. added to teams only to add "color". If he was not black he would never have been created..........because they already had a white guy with same powers

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@Silver Zeal said:

@poisonfleur said:

Storm as Queen of Wakanda and in a unique environment like Africa had MANY possibilities and Adventures. Marvel just failed. And the whole marriage just became a gimmick to get Black Panther's name in the spotlight as he piggy backed off Storm's Fame.

Really?

Storm bcam Queen, got 2 finally find her paternal extended family, bcam an Avenger & a F4...frm where we/SZ c it Storm got alot more outta d marriage.

And BP got fame on his own...Storm wasnt in A:EMH cartoon series & she wasnt in UA: Rise of d Panther either & very recently a few months bak der has been huuuuuge anticipation 4 a BP movie(note nobody is talking abt a Storm movie) which travelled across cyberspace so far & so hard it drowned d announcement of a developing JL movie.

Stan Lee himself has mentioned in several interviews dis year advocating 4 & hoping 4 a BP movie.

BP never needed Storm 4 all dat & we wud wager dat right now BP is more famous dan Storm.

She became Queen-- I hope you know that isn't as good as it sounds.. In actuality she became Black Panther's co-star.. which isn't all that.

I will give you the fact that she found her family. That was good.

And her becoming an Avenger was WHACK!! Did you even read any of her time as an Avenger???? The terrible issue had her drooling and foaming out of the mouth. Possibly the worst moment in Storm's history as a character.

Storm is close to Sue and Black Panther is Close to Reed. It's not like Black Panther got her into the Fantastic Four. :/

Sure she wasn't in A:EMH or UA:Rise of the Panther.

But she was in:

Spider-man and his amazing friends

Pryde of the X-men

X-men: the animated series

Fantastic Four

Spider-man

X-men: Evo

Wolverine & the X-men- Which takes place in the same universe as A:EMH

Marvel Super Hero Squad

X-men Anime

The X-men Trilogy

Had cameos in:

X-men: First Class

Superhero movie

Epic Movie

Not to mention she is second to Wolverine in most video game appearances.

Before Storm married BP, not a lot of people really knew about him.

Huge anticipation for a black panther film?? Funny because I remember every Avenger having huge anticipation for their own film. I really don't think Black Panther is that special.

And for the record, there where talks for a Storm movie considering a decent amount of people liked her in X:TLS, but Halle Berry decided against it. Personally I believe there would be more hype for a Storm film if Halle Berry wasn't the face of Storm in the movies. :/

Wager all you want. Storm still is rocking the sales with:

More Apperances in comics, video games, iconic, merchandise, and overall popularity. Don't let this current wave of Avenger hype deceive you.

:3

Okay?

Okay!

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@Silver Zeal said:

And BP got fame on his own...

In order for this to be true he would have to have gained some fame to begin with.

^No truer words have ever been spoken.^

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@pooty said:

Everything about him was a token stereotype. He was poor. No parents. Bad neighborhood. Bullied. torn between right and wrong. added to teams only to add "color". If he was not black he would never have been created..........because they already had a white guy with same powers

You're getting stereotype mixed up with token. His characterization is stereotypical but he's not a token character. They aren't synonymous. Rage wasn't added to teams only to add color because when he joined the Avengers they already had the Falcon, when he joined the New Warriors they already had Silhouette and Night Thrasher. When the New Warriors became Counter Force, the new Night Thrasher lead and they added Gauntlet.The thing you're saying about powers doesn't make sense because they make white character with the same powers as characters that already exist all the time.He didn't need to be "The Hulk" on the Avengers because She-Hulk was on the active roster already.
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@Vance Astro: The word token has more than one meaning. It is also something of very little value. something that is only useful in certain situations. When you look at the 3 people i originally named all of them are copies of other characters, had more popular white prototypes. and made very little impact on comics. all of those things together make them token characters. I know what you were referring to(Token as in Southpark) but that was only part of the "token" i was referring to.

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@HexThis said:

This is sole instance wherein I welcome terrible writing as it is an easy out from one of the most ridiculous decisions Marvel has ever made.

Storm and the Black Panther were slapped together on the foolish premise that marrying two prominent black characters would somehow promote Marvel's racial inclusiveness in spite of the fact they had no chemistry and no history. I actually always found the pairing offensive in that sense, it was so arbitrary and transparent in it's intentions. It's somewhat like how sitcoms in the 60's, 70's, and 80's would have a "very special episode" about racism that somehow involves one of the characters masquerading in black face. It was just downright careless and patronizing to both characters to try and up their relevance by having them get married, as if they weren't iconic enough on their own.

Something else that's worth mentioning- ever since T'Challa domesticated 'Ro she's been an absolute non-presence in the X-men titles. Where once she was kicking the crap out of Scott for leadership and actually being involved somewhat in the X-men's long lost democracy, she was suddenly no where to be found. No where to be found and horribly written in rare appearances no less. The very thing that made Storm so iconic and important when she was first introduced to the X-men quickly was stripped when she married the Black Panther.

Sticking them together was the worst thing for both of their characters.

No chemistry, no history.

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@pooty said:

@Vance Astro: The word token has more than one meaning. It is also something of very little value. something that is only useful in certain situations. When you look at the 3 people i originally named all of them are copies of other characters, had more popular white prototypes. and made very little impact on comics. all of those things together make them token characters. I know what you were referring to(Token as in Southpark) but that was only part of the "token" i was referring to.

I know it does but I don't think you're using it correctly. If you're saying that it also means something of little value or something that's also only useful in certain situations, then how can you tell someone that Black Panther isn't token. He hasn't made much of an impact on comics either and he was only created because he's black. You named Falcon,War Machine,and Rage right? I didn't disagree that Falcon and War Machine were token, by the reasoning that they are filling a "the black character" spot when they appear in certain comics. Rage doesn't have that same stigma. Most of the teams he's appeared on have had several black members during the time he was active on the roster. His origin and his story have nothing to do with Hulk, I don't think i've ever even seen them in the same comic so I don't think he's comparable to someone like War Machine because he REALLY is the "Black Iron Man".
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I do not agree with Marvel's decison to end the Black Panther and Storm's marriage. Wakanda's destruction should have been used to develop and further intensify their partnership. It would have been wonderful to see them unite to commit to the rebuilding of Wakanda.

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@Vance Astro: While I 1000000% agree that BP was only created because he was black, i don't agree that he is token. While not the first black superhero he was the one who put them on the map. The first with his own comic. Once you have the "prototype" it is much easier to introduce others minority characters. While storm is more popular there is NO WAY they make a black female hero unless there is already a successful black male hero. he has had his own animated cartoon. he has a cult following that is evident on this site. Icon, Black Lightning, Mr. Terrific all in some way resemble his build and look. His run under Priest was some of the best writing in recent years. So while he isn't a house hold name like Batman, he has elevated himself beyond token status.

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@Vance Astro: While I 1000000% agree that BP was only created because he was black, i don't agree that he is token. While not the first black superhero he was the one who put them on the map. The first with his own comic. Once you have the "prototype" it is much easier to introduce others minority characters. While storm is more popular there is NO WAY they make a black female hero unless there is already a successful black male hero. he has had his own animated cartoon. he has a cult following that is evident on this site. Icon, Black Lightning, Mr. Terrific all in some way resemble his build and look. His run under Priest was some of the best writing in recent years. So while he isn't a house hold name like Batman, he has elevated himself beyond token status.

I don't think Storm's creation was dependent on Black Panther's success. I think her emergence was depending on their already being a black male presence but not so much whether he put them on the map because he really didn't. The peak of Black Panther's popularity is now. Storm has been the only iconic black face at Marvel Comics since the 90's. I don't think Black Panther IS token at this point because he has his own identity, he is an important character to the Marvel Universe. He does however have in common with those other characters the connection of being created because of his race and placed on certain teams for the same reason.
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@Vance Astro:I might be remembering it wrong but I never felt Rhodey was a token at least in his creation. I felt he was a supporting character who just happened to be black. When he became War Machine I guess that could have changed him into one.
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@Vance Astro said:

@pooty said:

@Vance Astro: While I 1000000% agree that BP was only created because he was black, i don't agree that he is token. While not the first black superhero he was the one who put them on the map. The first with his own comic. Once you have the "prototype" it is much easier to introduce others minority characters. While storm is more popular there is NO WAY they make a black female hero unless there is already a successful black male hero. he has had his own animated cartoon. he has a cult following that is evident on this site. Icon, Black Lightning, Mr. Terrific all in some way resemble his build and look. His run under Priest was some of the best writing in recent years. So while he isn't a house hold name like Batman, he has elevated himself beyond token status.

I don't think Storm's creation was dependent on Black Panther's success. I think her emergence was depending on their already being a black male presence but not so much whether he put them on the map because he really didn't. The peak of Black Panther's popularity is now. Storm has been the only iconic black face at Marvel Comics since the 90's. I don't think Black Panther IS token at this point because he has his own identity, he is an important character to the Marvel Universe. He does however have in common with those other characters the connection of being created because of his race and placed on certain teams for the same reason.

You're equating popularity with impact which is wrong. Whenever you are the first to represent a group of people you have made an impact. Whether you're the first female Supreme Court Judge or the first black football player or first openly gay comedian, you make a impact. Tchalla made it easier to introduce minority characters into comics. Of course at some point they would have had a minority comic character but it happened to be BP so he paved the way.

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Art has little use for realistic marriages. There are only 3 happy marriages in all of Shakespeare, and two of them are MacBeth/Lady MacBeth, and Othello/Desdemona (before Iago messes them up). So if The Bard couldn't find a use in story for a realistic couple who strives and struggles and muddles through, it's no surprise that comics don't either. What does that tell us?

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@HexThis said:

This is sole instance wherein I welcome terrible writing as it is an easy out from one of the most ridiculous decisions Marvel has ever made.

Storm and the Black Panther were slapped together on the foolish premise that marrying two prominent black characters would somehow promote Marvel's racial inclusiveness in spite of the fact they had no chemistry and no history. I actually always found the pairing offensive in that sense, it was so arbitrary and transparent in it's intentions. It's somewhat like how sitcoms in the 60's, 70's, and 80's would have a "very special episode" about racism that somehow involves one of the characters masquerading in black face. It was just downright careless and patronizing to both characters to try and up their relevance by having them get married, as if they weren't iconic enough on their own.

Something else that's worth mentioning- ever since T'Challa domesticated 'Ro she's been an absolute non-presence in the X-men titles. Where once she was kicking the crap out of Scott for leadership and actually being involved somewhat in the X-men's long lost democracy, she was suddenly no where to be found. No where to be found and horribly written in rare appearances no less. The very thing that made Storm so iconic and important when she was first introduced to the X-men quickly was stripped when she married the Black Panther.

Sticking them together was the worst thing for both of their characters.

No chemistry, no history.

Ya'll need to stop saying that they didn't have history. There's no "wiggle" room in that statement. It's just wrong.

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SKY PANTHER MUST BE BORN!!!

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I have not followed their marriage too much just got bits on Storm saying its not working. She had a comment on them Not going to a marriage counseling. But THAT is an idea. Now if you get some good writers and throw in a little comic relief I would love to see a few select couples in Marvel on the couch and go through therapy.

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@leigh_rogue888 said:

I have not followed their marriage too much just got bits on Storm saying its not working. She had a comment on them Not going to a marriage consoling. But THAT is an idea. Now if you get some good writers and throw in a little comic relief I would love to see a few select couples in Marvel on the couch and go through therapy.

They HAVE been seeing a marriage counselor!!

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SKY PANTHER MUST BE BORN!!!

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Where/When was that?

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.@White Mage: Woops. Have they shown it? Like I said I haven't followed it to thoroughly

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@leigh_rogue888 said:

.@White Mage: Woops. Have they shown it? Like I said I haven't followed it to thoroughly

The haven't shown it. Storm just put T'Challa on blast................I'm not happy with any of this.lol

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@Original_Sin said:

@White Mage said:

SKY PANTHER MUST BE BORN!!!

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Where/When was that?

Avengers Academy, and Avengers Academy "Will we use this in the real world"..............................It's my job to keep track of Storm's alternate universe children, and say "yay" or "neigh" to their creation.................appearance-wise, "YAY!!"

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@White Mage: I hear you. Looks like 9 pages of other people dont like it either. I agree with a few that Marvel cant write a good marriage.

What are the other marriages that have made it through Marvel besides the Reeds?

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@Original_Sin said:

@White Mage said:

SKY PANTHER MUST BE BORN!!!

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Where/When was that?

Avengers Academy, and Avengers Academy "Will we use this in the real world"..............................It's my job to keep track of Storm's alternate universe children, and say "yay" or "neigh" to their creation.................appearance-wise, "YAY!!"

Lol.

Was that her only appearence?

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@leigh_rogue888 said:

@White Mage: I hear you. Looks like 9 pages of other people dont like it either. I agree with a few that Marvel cant write a good marriage.

What are the other marriages that have made it through Marvel besides the Reeds?

Jessica and Luke...............I don't even keep track of the rest.

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@Original_Sin said:

@White Mage said:

@Original_Sin said:

@White Mage said:

SKY PANTHER MUST BE BORN!!!

No Caption Provided

Where/When was that?

Avengers Academy, and Avengers Academy "Will we use this in the real world"..............................It's my job to keep track of Storm's alternate universe children, and say "yay" or "neigh" to their creation.................appearance-wise, "YAY!!"

Lol.

Was that her only appearence?

Yes.............and that outfit/hairstyle is more than enough for me to green light her real-world creation

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@White Mage said:

@Original_Sin said:

@White Mage said:

@Original_Sin said:

@White Mage said:

SKY PANTHER MUST BE BORN!!!

No Caption Provided

Where/When was that?

Avengers Academy, and Avengers Academy "Will we use this in the real world"..............................It's my job to keep track of Storm's alternate universe children, and say "yay" or "neigh" to their creation.................appearance-wise, "YAY!!"

Lol.

Was that her only appearence?

Yes.............and that outfit/hairstyle is more than enough for me to green light her real-world creation

Please tell me you saw a lightning bolt? Because the way Storm is being handled now her ancestry will be completely forgotten. And the girls will have all of her astonishing looks and NONE of her power.

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@Original_Sin: All we know is that she's good at nerve strikes.....meh

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@Original_Sin: All we know is that she's good at nerve strikes.....meh

Well that confirms it. You don't need to be good at nerve strikes when you can FRY nerves with a searing bolt of lightning!

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You're equating popularity with impact which is wrong. Whenever you are the first to represent a group of people you have made an impact. Whether you're the first female Supreme Court Judge or the first black football player or first openly gay comedian, you make a impact. Tchalla made it easier to introduce minority characters into comics. Of course at some point they would have had a minority comic character but it happened to be BP so he paved the way.

No, i'm not. I'm equating impact with lasting effect and influence. The first black football changed the face of the sport entirely. Black Panther hasn't actually changed the comic industry. Being the first of a type of character that doesn't sell, isn't "making an impact". It's just being first. When you hear rappers pay homage to "paved the way for them", they aren't doing it because those people simply came first, they made the genre popular enough for it to continue being successful and having a career in it.
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@Vance Astro:I might be remembering it wrong but I never felt Rhodey was a token at least in his creation. I felt he was a supporting character who just happened to be black. When he became War Machine I guess that could have changed him into one.
I agree.
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@Vance Astro said:

@pooty said:

You're equating popularity with impact which is wrong. Whenever you are the first to represent a group of people you have made an impact. Whether you're the first female Supreme Court Judge or the first black football player or first openly gay comedian, you make a impact. Tchalla made it easier to introduce minority characters into comics. Of course at some point they would have had a minority comic character but it happened to be BP so he paved the way.

No, i'm not. I'm equating impact with lasting effect and influence. The first black football changed the face of the sport entirely. Black Panther hasn't actually changed the comic industry. Being the first of a type of character that doesn't sell, isn't "making an impact". It's just being first. When you hear rappers pay homage to "paved the way for them", they aren't doing it because those people simply came first, they made the genre popular enough for it to continue being successful and having a career in it.

BP is not a token character in ANY sense of the word. Falcon, Rage, war machine all fit at least one definition of the word

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@pooty: Ok, I was wrong about Black Panther being 'token'. But my point is that he was Marvel's first major Black superhero and Storm was Marvel's first major black heroine, so the marriage was still too publicity stunt-ish.

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@Vance Astro: actually i'm changing my last statement. at one point BP was token in at least one way. The others are STILL token in at least one way.

@Miss_Garrick: BP did start off as a token character. Past tense. as for the marriage, I didn't like that Tchalla chose the whitest black chick in comics to make his wife. so i understand your point about publicity. i think he should have gotten with the black jazz singer he used to date(what was her name?) or Photon

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@Vance Astro: actually i'm changing my last statement. at one point BP was token in at least one way. The others are STILL token in at least one way.

OK, LOL.
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@pooty: Seeing as how T'Challa is royalty, it would make a bit a sense that if he had to marry, it would be an arranged marriage and it would be an interesting story as the readers would get to know the wife at the same time as T'Challa.

I have a fanfic plan for Monica Rambeau. I can't call her Photon, she is my Captain Marvel.

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@HexThis said:

This is sole instance wherein I welcome terrible writing as it is an easy out from one of the most ridiculous decisions Marvel has ever made.

Storm and the Black Panther were slapped together on the foolish premise that marrying two prominent black characters would somehow promote Marvel's racial inclusiveness in spite of the fact they had no chemistry and no history. I actually always found the pairing offensive in that sense, it was so arbitrary and transparent in it's intentions. It's somewhat like how sitcoms in the 60's, 70's, and 80's would have a "very special episode" about racism that somehow involves one of the characters masquerading in black face. It was just downright careless and patronizing to both characters to try and up their relevance by having them get married, as if they weren't iconic enough on their own.

Something else that's worth mentioning- ever since T'Challa domesticated 'Ro she's been an absolute non-presence in the X-men titles. Where once she was kicking the crap out of Scott for leadership and actually being involved somewhat in the X-men's long lost democracy, she was suddenly no where to be found. No where to be found and horribly written in rare appearances no less. The very thing that made Storm so iconic and important when she was first introduced to the X-men quickly was stripped when she married the Black Panther.

Sticking them together was the worst thing for both of their characters.

No chemistry, no history.

Ya'll need to stop saying that they didn't have history. There's no "wiggle" room in that statement. It's just wrong.

I meant, there wasn't enough history.

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@White Mage said:

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@HexThis said:

This is sole instance wherein I welcome terrible writing as it is an easy out from one of the most ridiculous decisions Marvel has ever made.

Storm and the Black Panther were slapped together on the foolish premise that marrying two prominent black characters would somehow promote Marvel's racial inclusiveness in spite of the fact they had no chemistry and no history. I actually always found the pairing offensive in that sense, it was so arbitrary and transparent in it's intentions. It's somewhat like how sitcoms in the 60's, 70's, and 80's would have a "very special episode" about racism that somehow involves one of the characters masquerading in black face. It was just downright careless and patronizing to both characters to try and up their relevance by having them get married, as if they weren't iconic enough on their own.

Something else that's worth mentioning- ever since T'Challa domesticated 'Ro she's been an absolute non-presence in the X-men titles. Where once she was kicking the crap out of Scott for leadership and actually being involved somewhat in the X-men's long lost democracy, she was suddenly no where to be found. No where to be found and horribly written in rare appearances no less. The very thing that made Storm so iconic and important when she was first introduced to the X-men quickly was stripped when she married the Black Panther.

Sticking them together was the worst thing for both of their characters.

No chemistry, no history.

Ya'll need to stop saying that they didn't have history. There's no "wiggle" room in that statement. It's just wrong.

I meant, there wasn't enough history.

That's a more reasonable statement.

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@jhazzroucher: The both of you are wrong. The history between Storm and T'Challa is there. Marvel Team-Up #100, written by Chris Claremont. 1980. Twenty years later, Black Panther vol. 2 #27, written by Christopher Priest. The very same history they had was touched upon again. Writers like Eric Jerome Dickey (who wrote Storm's mini-series, showcasing her as a teenager and meeting T'Challa for the first time) and Reginald Hudlin expanded on this history just so they could marry in Black Panther vol. 3.

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Considering how Marvel treated Peter and MJ, and the fact they were a couple far longer before marriage, this is no surprise. 
 
They should have gotten rid of the marriage during the Secret Invasion story, instead of dragging it out so long, if they were so hot to split these two.

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@jhazzroucher said:

@White Mage said:

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@HexThis said:

This is sole instance wherein I welcome terrible writing as it is an easy out from one of the most ridiculous decisions Marvel has ever made.

Storm and the Black Panther were slapped together on the foolish premise that marrying two prominent black characters would somehow promote Marvel's racial inclusiveness in spite of the fact they had no chemistry and no history. I actually always found the pairing offensive in that sense, it was so arbitrary and transparent in it's intentions. It's somewhat like how sitcoms in the 60's, 70's, and 80's would have a "very special episode" about racism that somehow involves one of the characters masquerading in black face. It was just downright careless and patronizing to both characters to try and up their relevance by having them get married, as if they weren't iconic enough on their own.

Something else that's worth mentioning- ever since T'Challa domesticated 'Ro she's been an absolute non-presence in the X-men titles. Where once she was kicking the crap out of Scott for leadership and actually being involved somewhat in the X-men's long lost democracy, she was suddenly no where to be found. No where to be found and horribly written in rare appearances no less. The very thing that made Storm so iconic and important when she was first introduced to the X-men quickly was stripped when she married the Black Panther.

Sticking them together was the worst thing for both of their characters.

No chemistry, no history.

Ya'll need to stop saying that they didn't have history. There's no "wiggle" room in that statement. It's just wrong.

I meant, there wasn't enough history.

That's a more reasonable statement.

but you can't blame other people saying they didn't have history because most people didn't know it.

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@jhazzroucher said:

@White Mage said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@White Mage said:

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@jhazzroucher said:

@HexThis said:

This is sole instance wherein I welcome terrible writing as it is an easy out from one of the most ridiculous decisions Marvel has ever made.

Storm and the Black Panther were slapped together on the foolish premise that marrying two prominent black characters would somehow promote Marvel's racial inclusiveness in spite of the fact they had no chemistry and no history. I actually always found the pairing offensive in that sense, it was so arbitrary and transparent in it's intentions. It's somewhat like how sitcoms in the 60's, 70's, and 80's would have a "very special episode" about racism that somehow involves one of the characters masquerading in black face. It was just downright careless and patronizing to both characters to try and up their relevance by having them get married, as if they weren't iconic enough on their own.

Something else that's worth mentioning- ever since T'Challa domesticated 'Ro she's been an absolute non-presence in the X-men titles. Where once she was kicking the crap out of Scott for leadership and actually being involved somewhat in the X-men's long lost democracy, she was suddenly no where to be found. No where to be found and horribly written in rare appearances no less. The very thing that made Storm so iconic and important when she was first introduced to the X-men quickly was stripped when she married the Black Panther.

Sticking them together was the worst thing for both of their characters.

No chemistry, no history.

Ya'll need to stop saying that they didn't have history. There's no "wiggle" room in that statement. It's just wrong.

I meant, there wasn't enough history.

That's a more reasonable statement.

but you can't blame other people saying they didn't have history because most people didn't know it.

The HELL I can't!

Before stating facts, you must first get your facts straight

Ya'll won't be saying anything like this in the future, because I showed you the error of your ways

I can deal with occasional false information. It's bound to happen at some point or another....I've been guilty of it. It's whatever

But after 6 years of marriage, I would expect people to actually Google the history of this relationship that they are so hellbent on complaining about.

Google is knowledge, and knowledge is a pot pie, because I am hungry and haven't eaten for 6 hours.

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I can't blame Panther for being a little upset that his wife was on the same side of the man who murdered countless numbers of his citizens and destroyed the nation he calls home and has/is ruled/ruling. Arrogant? A jerk? He feels responsible for those deaths because he invited the Avengers to Wakanda. He gave them safe harbor, and that caused the destruction of his nation. Meanwhile, his wife is flying alongside the Phoenix 5 as they remake the world. She made the choice and she choose mutant over Wakanda. T'Challa just followed through on her own choice. If she regrets it, that's her problem.

People forget that T'Challa is a king. He isn't a superhero. Wakanda has never been conquered. Hudlin and Aaron made that a running theme in the books. But in the blink of an eye, it was all destroyed. They aren't James Carville and Mary Matlin who agree to disagree. There is blood on T'Challa's and Storms hands here. I think the moment made perfect sense and shows once again what happens when people underestimate the Black Panther.

They get hurt.

There is no blood on Storm's hands here. The blood is on BP's hands alone and he is in the wrong.

IIRC,she tried to approach T'Challa and asked him to help her resolve the conflict before it got out of hand back in the first or second issue of AvX....he wasn't interested. And on top of that, FF #608 revealed that BP knew about the coming destruction to his own country....and he did nothing to stop it. You would think that he could have told his wife about it at least. She would have supported him and defended Wakanda, like she had already done several times before, and fought at his side. There was no way for Storm to know what Namor was going to do, but I can understand from BP's perspective that she is tainted by Namor's actions nonetheless and would also be blamed by the wakandan people. She still deserved to be heard and given the benefit of the doubt (which may still happen) vs BP acting like an a-hole. He has been a complete tool since Doom's attack.

I for one am quite fine with their marriage finally ending though. Marvel definitely dropped the ball with both characters, but if it benefits Storm in the long run then so be it. Only McDuffie managed to write them as a couple that actually respected each other and had potential. The way they have been written over the past couple of years has been horrible, with the only one interested in trying to fight to keep their relationship together was Storm.

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@Bitchgurl said:

Considering how Marvel treated Peter and MJ, and the fact they were a couple far longer before marriage, this is no surprise. They should have gotten rid of the marriage during the Secret Invasion story, instead of dragging it out so long, if they were so hot to split these two.

When in doubt, make one of em a skrull