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Should Batman Keep Secrets?

Batman is a character known to be illusive, but is he hurting those closest to him by keeping them in the dark?

One of the most well-known and classic comic book rivalries of all-time is that of the Joker and Batman. In a sense, as bizarre as it may sound, these two characters complete one another; and this is exactly the premise that writer Scott Snyder is using to tell his latest BATMAN story, Death of the Family. In the current series, Joker has managed to capture Alfred and lay trap after trap for Batman. And although Bruce may indicate that the fight with the Joker is "between Batman and the Joker," the recent Death of the Family story arc seems to prove otherwise. In fact, it seems that the Joker has made everyone and anyone related to Batman and associated with the character, a target. So how will Batman protect those people around him?

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The idea behind Batman was birthed from the greatest loss of young Bruce Wayne's life; the murder of both of his parents. It was through their death that Bruce found his recipe for vengeance and his thirst for justice. Along the way, Batman has gotten quite a bit of help. First, Batman teamed up with the first Robin, Dick Grayson followed later by Jason Todd (the current Red Hood character), Barbara Gordon (the current Batgirl), Tim Drake (the current Red Robin) and last, but certainly not least, Damian Wayne, Bruce Wayne's son and the current Robin. In the eyes of the Joker, the man who has been Batman's greatest rival, his family has "gotten in the way" which is why the character has made each and every one of these characters a target. So by making Batman his target, the Joker has also placed each member of the Bat Family within his metaphorical crosshairs. So the big question remains, how much does this villain know about each of them?

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The start of this story-arc launched with the abduction of Alfred, the man who practically raised Bruce Wayne. This in itself should be enough of a red flag to signal to Batman that there is a good chance that the Joker knows of his secret identity, and by default, he knows the identities of those closest to him. Yet, Batman refuses to see things that way. In issue #15 of BATMAN Batgirl, Robin, Nightwing, Red Robin and Red Hood all confront Batman together; each of them are under the impression that the Joker knows that Batman is Bruce Wayne, and that by default, he also knows each of their secret identities. This fact is helped since, for example in the case of Batgirl, the Joker captured Barbara Gordon's mother and threatened to kill her. Why, of all people, would the Joker go after Barbara's mother unless he knew that Barbara is, in fact, Batgirl?

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In the scene where each of them confront Bruce about this very fact, Bruce remains completely in denial. Even after each member of the Bat family implies that Batman's logic could be flawed, that the Joker very could have made it into the Bat-cave, Bruce refuses to believe that. Not only that, but he refused to tell them of that possibility. This issue revealed that Bruce kept a crucial detail of the relationship between he and the Joker from Batgirl, Nightwing, Red Robin, Robin and Red Hood. In a following scene the five characters explain that by withholding vital information from them, Bruce had ultimately placed each of them as well as those they loved, in grave danger.

The question is, should Bruce have divulged this information to the rest of the members of the Bat-Family?

In the view of both the Joker and Bruce, the rivalry between them is only between them -- and that's just how the Joker wants it. But is it really? Is this rivalry really only between Batman and Joker, or does it extend to anyone that might be close to Bruce Wayne?

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In the first few pages of BATMAN #15 there is a moment where a bound Batman states that this fight is between he and the Joker, and no one else. However, when everyone both in close proximity as well as close relation to the character is viewed as collateral damage, then the battle is no longer between just the Joker and Batman, is it? The rivalry between Joker and Batman now extends well beyond these two and touches everyone close to Batman. As a result, keeping those closest to him in the dark regarding vital details about the Joker and the possibility that he might know their secret identities puts them and anyone close to them in a grave amount of danger.

Personally, I think it was very wrong on Batman's part to keep things from the other members of the Bat-Family especially when it might effect them and the people that they love. And although Batman is always right, what if he weren't at the worst possibly moment? What if he is absolutely wrong and the Joker knows exactly who he and everyone close to him is? I'd say that by keeping these kinds of secrets, Batman is betraying those he cares more about and isn't protecting them, but instead putting them in even graver danger. What do you think? Do you think Batman should withold sensitive information pertaining to the Joker? Do you think his actions ultimately protect the members of the Bat-Family, or harm them in the end?

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@kid Apollo said:

Batman is NOT always right. the Court of Owls proved that

Blasphemy.

Preach brother preach.

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Edited By wowlock

Joker's most dangerous skill.... he is unpredictable. He probably knew his secret for years but never saw the need for it to use it.

As he says, ''Why spoil the suprise and fun ''. So all his actions are made to target Batman...the rest is a bonus if it gets to him.

The secrets , however , are Batman's thing. Warning Bat-family about that possibility would've helped the situation ? Maybe but when it is The Joker we are talking about, even a prepared Batman can struggle like we see here.

Also, sharing secrets and knowledge also puts them in greater risk. Some secrets needs to be kept and although Batman's trust issues hurt the Bat-family from time to time, he might be the only one who can carry the burden of those secrets and not get cracked under the pressure. The rest of the Bat-family is more 'unstable' I can say.

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@RedOwl_1 said:

That's why Batman has been seen as a loner by long time, he isn't exactly the guy who is open to the people, who gives counts nor the one who relies on people easily. Even when is his own family he can mistrust them.

He shouldn't.... but he's Batman... so he has

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Edited By Skewer

He keeps his identity a secret but if its something that can probably save a life he should open up and tell them. It depends on the situation.

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That's why Batman has been seen as a loner by long time, he isn't exactly the guy who is open to the people, who gives counts nor the one who relies on people easily. Even when is his own family he can mistrust them.

He shouldn't.... but he's Batman... so he has

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Edited By PowerHerc

Yes.

Batman is the master strategist. The master detective.

He needs to keep secrets to retain his edge and to be successful.

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I'm not really liking Death of The Family as a whole, which is disappointing because I had such high hopes for it. I loved the Court of Owls arc (though I do thing it was drug out a bit longer than it needed to be), and Death of the Family has certainly had its great moments, but overall it just doesn't seem as great as I'd hoped. It seems Snyder is so hyped about the bigness of his own story that he isn't focusing so much on the smaller details that make the story work.

Not to mention most of the tie-ins feel like unnecessary filler, and the sheer number of them kind of detracts from the overall believably and significance, of the story.

As a dedicated fan of Batman, the Joker AND Scott Snyder... I'm just waiting for this arc to be over.

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I think Batman should keep a secrets. He is Batman and he has a lot of tricks up his sleeves. We all found out that he has a son name Damian in the Batman and Son storyline in 2006 . It was keep hidden from 1987 to 2006. 19 years we did not know anythng about this event and now he is Robin. I do not like the Joker in the new 52 his looks creepy with his face falling off and a belt holding his face up with stiches to hold his skin. I think Batman should keep his secrets and focus on the family and fight crime in Gotham City.

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Batman is Wrong (that hurt) to keep the Family in the dark. Also given how much his other enemies like Ra's al Ghul or Bane may know it's recklessly short-sighted of someone that's supposed to be the world's best tactician.

There I said it...now I'm going to go to bed and weep.

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I think Batman should continue to keep secrets so he can keep lots of girlfriends at the same time and also snoop on all of his girlfriends.

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Otherwise, we wouldn't have story lines like this.

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buuuut! THATS whats makes the story engaging, enthralling, you get sucked in! we need "bad" moves by Bats...

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Justice League Tower of Babel storyline comes to mind..Batman and secrets when working alongside others? Bad idea.

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How would you act / feel if your parents were murdered, and the only family you had was a freakin' butler, I know id had trust issues even if they were my good buddies.

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It would depend on the situation I would think. In this particular scenario it was probably wrong of him to withhold that information, but that is Bruce's prerogative whether the others like it or not. When it comes down to it, its his decision and his alone to make the call to share or withhold information, and it is also Nightwing and company's decision then to choose to accept that or not. On the other hand, one must also look into his motives FOR withholding information in order to make a call like this.

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Yes batman should keep secrets.

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@kagato said:

Great article and definetly something that Bruce either hasnt considered, or in his arrogance refuses to believe that anyone can outsmart him. As someone else pointed out, the Court of Owls have already proven him wrong and perhaps this is part of the reason that he refuses to accept the situation, if he was wrong about the Owls and wrong about the Joker, how many other things is he wrong about? Bruce is always 100% confident in everything he does, what makes him so lethal is his belief in himself and in his abilities, if he ever stopped to question himself about it i think it would devistate him and crack his persona. He needs to believe he is right, but he also needs to let his family in when there is something that concerns them regardless of how sure he is that he can stop it on his own.

Bruce not admitting that he may have been wrong about the court was just poor writing on Snyder's part. Since he hadn't even had detective training at that point. It's a bit different with the Joker, since he had had that training, and had state of the art technology to back him up.

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I feel like the Joker is gonna pull off yet another Bat-Family casualty or injury and the grief will drive Batman away from his Bat-Family. Or at least, I think that would be interesting story-wise

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I've enjoyed reading everybody's opinion, and seeing how many are so wrong. LOL...no I'm kidding, I may be in a minority, but I feel Batman needs other people like Robin, Nightwing, etc...as the problems in Gotham seem overwhelming these days. I really enjoy the stories where others help him. I've personally not enjoyed as much the stories where he's all the super loner, but since I enjoy his character so much, it doesn't distract me too much when he is that way. Oh, and he should have shared that secret with the bat family, he needs to trust them more.

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Great article and definetly something that Bruce either hasnt considered, or in his arrogance refuses to believe that anyone can outsmart him. As someone else pointed out, the Court of Owls have already proven him wrong and perhaps this is part of the reason that he refuses to accept the situation, if he was wrong about the Owls and wrong about the Joker, how many other things is he wrong about? Bruce is always 100% confident in everything he does, what makes him so lethal is his belief in himself and in his abilities, if he ever stopped to question himself about it i think it would devistate him and crack his persona. He needs to believe he is right, but he also needs to let his family in when there is something that concerns them regardless of how sure he is that he can stop it on his own.

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keep 'em a secret DC, sells more!

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All due respect to you Babs ma'am - but it seems a little surprising that this would even be in doubt. I got it that this may be provocative by intent but as former civilian law enforcement and now as an active MP I can tell you that even at our bureaucratic level of institutionalized, civilian justice secrets are necessary. And we are a public entity. As a private vigilante - conducting your operations is by implicit, hell explicit even, consent something which is done in a secretive manner.

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I personally think this whole secret identity thing if hogwash. I wish Batman went the Iron man route and just went full Batman. Now the secrets thing? Batman's character should evolve past the inclusive, distrustful, brooding maniac who's always paranoid. He has friends now. No man's an island, please DC evolve the character.

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the secret is that he is tired.

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I'm not sure. I know Scott Snyder will have a twist in there somehow. It makes sense that the Joker may know just because he is incredibly intelligent and may have somehow figured out a way to get in. It also makes sense that he may not know and is just using this to turn them against one another and rip the family bond apart... Ultimately causing the Death of the Bat Family. They may all live but they are all separate. Of course, I'm sure Scott will have some twist in there because he is so good at doing that so we'll just have to wait and see.

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This is only going to come back to bite Batman.

Like the JLA "Tower of Babel" story, where the fact that he kept his protocols secret (showing a lack of trust) was almost the worse sin than their existence, the Joker is almost certainly counting on Bruce's secrecy and will use it against him.

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Batman is a fool who keeps vital information secret from the team that eventually led to their demise.

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If I were in Batman's shoes, I probably would've kept it a secret too.

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Well, seeing as how Bruce is being in denial to a DANGEROUS extreme. Seeing as how the rest of the Bat-family all got together to talk to him about this, and he is not even trying to listen to them. I think that, considering that Bruce is the one who all of them into this superhero business in the first place, the LAST thing he should do is keep secrets from them. He is setting himself for a very dangerous fall, and I don't mean the Joker.

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@Novemberx2 said:

these things would't happen if it was just batman and Alfred.

everyone else complicates everything.

Everybody needs somebody times...everybody needs someone somehow.

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Keeping secrets is Batman's thing but I think should at least tell them to the Bat Family and maybe together then can figure out a way to protect themselves and the ones closer to them as well as taking down Joker.

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Honesty and communication are always important in EVERY relationships.

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YES BECAUSE IF NOT HE WOULD NOT BE THE DARK MYSTERIOUS BATMAN WE ALL KNOW

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If he didn't he wouldn't be Batman (+)

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Batman shouldn't keep secrets.

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Well, he has been in the closet for over 70 years now.

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Everyone has secrets. Why not Batman too?

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I remember the first story arc of Batman and Robin when Nobody started causing problems for the Dynamic Duo because Bruce wouldn't tell Damian squat about this new villain. This lead Damian to go off and do stupid things. I think Batman should be a little more open. Maybe something like, Just letting you know, someone left a card here. So be on your guard when your in your civilian outfit & your superhero outfit. Something like that.

If it was me, I would want to know if something happen big or small. Small being like the bat vehicles need some new wheels. Big being like there's a new villain that might know our identity. Something in between be like a villain leaves a card.

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Batman should keep secrets to a certain extent. I know he think he can protect all of the Bat family, in a sense. In this case yes he should let Nightwing, Batgirl, Red Hood Red Robin and Robin know. I think that would be the best way to protect them, but he could have a point for keeping it a secret to.

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I have to be honest; I really don't like Snyder's interpretation of Batman. I am enjoying the Death of the family arc, but the court of owls wasn't impressive. Snyder has made Bruce incredibly arrogant, and he keeps secrets almost just to keep them. It almost seems as if he doesn't likes the character.

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I for one am ready for another era of Batman keeping to himself. Nightwing, Red Hood, Red Robin, Batgirl and Batwing should retain their books (with Red Robin finally regaining an exclusive ongoing and Batman and Robin switching to just Robin), but I think that allowing Batman to have access to this diverse set of heroes subtracts from his character. The greatness of Batman is his determination, that he is vulnerable and human, and that he truly trusts nobody. I believe that he should keep a Robin close by, because sometimes you need a distraction or a third hand, and I think that Gordon and Alfred should remain staples, but recently we have seen a lot of Nightwing assistance in the Batman ongoing. In fact, in the few story arcs so far, Batman has called upon or been forced to bring in every one of his proteges for help. That is not the Batman I know and love. I am not saying that the Bat-family needs to disappear, I think they are the strongest group of heroes around, however I do think that we need some time where Batman faces an enemy, and that enemy is taken down by Batman alone. Let Nightwing, Red Robin, Batgirl, and to an extent Robin deal with their own problems. The characters can be related without needing to be constantly in each other's titles and storylines. So in effect, yes, Batman should keep his secrets and play things close to the chest. His personality almost demands it.

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@BulletStorm said:

I don't read Batwoman, so could someone explain why she isn't part of the family?

Largely because she doesn't want to be. Bruce invited her to Batman Inc and she declined.

To her, the Bat is a symbol, a shortcut to being a feared idol. It's not a family, not a team.

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Batman should always keep secrets, especially when it's convenient to the plot. Wouldn't want a writer to work too hard. And he's writing BATMAN for God's sake. He should be able to kick back and reap the rewards without silly little syllogistics... SARA LIMA. He doesn't need to be bothered with your logical details.

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"Wisdom comes through suffering.

Trouble, with its memories of pain,

Drips in our hearts as we try to sleep,

So men against their will

Learn to practice moderation."

--Aeschylus.

Bruce has learned the price of informing others of his secrets; he'll always be a classic example of a character that fears his enemies finding out his identity. If you want to change that aspect of the character, go right ahead, but don't go crying to DC editors once fans start dropping the book and asking for your resignation.

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I hate modern Batman, SO MUCH.

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Batman is a character known to be illusive, but is he hurting those closest to him by keeping them in the dark?
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@cacarl said:

Yes...because he is Batman.

Perfectly said.

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@irmensul said:

Um..yeah! Batman should keep the odd secret..but he becomes a bit stiff & one dimensional if they overdo all that stuff

This.@MuyJingo said:

The secret Bruce was holding wasn't a secret, and the family didn't need to be told. Bruce is confident he is 100% correct in this instance, and I think in that case he didn't need to tell them. I think he would have if there were a chance and he felt they needed to know.

Also this. The question is whether or not Bruce is right.

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I have read a couple different articles about this... I like how Batman's over confidence is his greatest weakness... We have surly seen this over Snyder's New 52 run... loving every second of this book.

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There are certain things that he should keep secret.

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