Schism Teaser Reveals Long-Awaited Cyclops vs Wolverine Brawl

Wolverines going to be the crappiest leader of the X-Men EVER !

Hey, was just wondering what title that scan came from?

The final straw with Wolverine came when people climed that it would he would put up a good fight but THOR would go down to Wolverine. 
That is jut pure BS.

Wolverine must die he has been surviving way to much and why is he everywhere for gods sake if cyclops doesn't do it I am sending Thor up their to microvave wolvies stupid macho crap ass

Wolverine must die he has been surviving way to much and why is he everywhere for gods sake if cyclops doesn't do it I am sending Thor up their to microvave wolvies stupid macho crap ass

@Timandm said:

@TransgressionsofSociety: Soooo... Cyclops blast Wolverine with the full power of his optic blast....  Wolverine heals, goes back after Cyclops who then blasts him with the full power of his optic blast...THENNNN Wolverine heals, goes back after Cyclops and?????????????????  And remember, Cyclops is very proud of saying, 'X-Men do not kill."   So, how exactly does Cyclops end up winning?  

Who said anything about killing?  I'm pretty sure wolverine wouldn't kill cyclops or vice versa.  Contrary to popular belief, wolverine doesn't heal that fast. 

@TransgressionsofSociety: Soooo... Cyclops blast Wolverine with the full power of his optic blast....  Wolverine heals, goes back after Cyclops who then blasts him with the full power of his optic blast...THENNNN Wolverine heals, goes back after Cyclops and?????????????????  And remember, Cyclops is very proud of saying, 'X-Men do not kill."   So, how exactly does Cyclops end up winning?  

Slym is gonna fry the Canucklehead.

Cyclops owns wolverine... if there weren't people around and wolverine wasn't his friend.  Cyclops always holds back because there are innocents and loved ones around. 
 

 
Hi ! 
 
Mark my words : this story will end in nothing and nonsense. Marvel-writers-about-Wolverine speciality. 
 
Hihane washte.

 
PS : blast him, Scott !

So the "united no more" tagline is referring to the fabric of their costumes, I take it.

 

Wolverine has gone solo against Sabretooth, Magneto, Omega Red, Silver Smaurai, Lady Deathstrike, and countless others... **Cough*Cough** The Incredible Hulk. 

 

Do you really think Cyclops can beat Wolverine?  I mean really. REALLY! 

 

yes, I'll be picking it up, but I actually don't hold out much hope that it will be interesting.  So far, the preludes are incredibly boring and uninformative.

Love how threads turn into this character will always win and can never lose and how they beat a team, by pushing one character into another, for both characters. I guess if Wolverine and Cyclops actually worked together and teamed up they could kill Galactus and Elton John and then, Cyclops could, like, pick up Wolverine, and place him on his face, and then Optic Blast special him to rescue the man in the moon. *grin*  
 
@cosmo111687 said:

Kind of heartbreaking for me. I know they've had a long-standing rivalry...but, still, they're X-Men. They should be family. I could only see this happen if Cyclops pushed the X-Men too far across the line of "good", forcing Wolverine's hand to stop him.  (note: I haven't read any X-Men after Second Coming, yet, so I'm not sure if that's the case or not)

Shred him, Bub!

Those commenting do realize every other time they've faced off Cyclops has decimated Wolverine, right? From his first appearance on through the years, every time Logan has gone after Cyke, he's gotten his ass handed to him. Cyclops has repeatedly taken down the whole team when forced to.
 
Also, Wolverine is basically Marvel's whipping boy. He's who they bring out whenever they want to make another character look tough. Everyone has beaten Wolverine. Everyone. Including Aunt May and a random caribou. Marrow, Gambit, the Punisher, Venom, Spider-Man, Molly Hayes, Sasquatch, Puck, Magneto, random Sentinels, Sabertooth, Cyber, the SIlver Samurai, Deadpool, Kitty Pryde, everyone has defeated Wolverine. Everyone.

If they really get into it I want Cyke to win. Blast Wolverine into oblivion!

Oh, for the longest time I was hoping that the whole Prelude to Schism's mystery was the return of the Phoenix force, lingering outside of Utopia with an ultimatum, leaving Cycolops with a no choice therefore attacking Phoenix/Jean and Wolverine standing in his way. 

I hope the other X-men actually have sizable roles in this.

 With that said i hope Wolverine guts Cyclops (so sick of him)

Cyclops defensively is very vulnerable (when using powers as feats, he is a brilliant tactician and can find ways to protect himself) and that's a fact, but offesnively his powers are one of the most unnstopable force out of any power on the marvel universe and that's another fact that can't be ignored. And he doesn't need to use a thin beam that wolverine can dodge, he can use huge beams destroying practically everything in front of him.

Lets go Scott~

           

I didn't really see his Optical Beam as noteworthy.  First, he has to land a hit on Wolverine.  Wolverine can and should be able to dodge and out manuever the Optic Blasts on the way to Arms Length Distance of Cyclops.  Once he is in that distance, Cyclops Optic Blast kind of becomes null and void unless he can get Wolverine in a position that he can use it without Wolverine being to strike at him. 

 

I focused more on the hand-to-hand aspect, because that is what this fight is going to come down to. 

 

If Scott were to remove his visor as you suggested that will be a huge folly on his part.  This excerpt is taken from Cyclops Comic Vine Page...

 

"Due to psychological trauma and physical injury at a young age, Cyclops is unable to control his optic blasts. In connection, his eyes have become more reliant on the ruby quartz he uses rather than affecting change to the injury. Emma Frost has recently claimed the psychological trauma of losing his parents and being separated from his brother are primarily responsible for his inability to control his powers. Mister Sinister has also claimed that his eyes have become reliant on the ruby quartz sunglasses and visor, therefore making it hard for Cyclops to control the blasts on his own. After overcoming the trauma, he was able to control his blasts and open his eyes for a period of time. However, he gradually began losing control of the blasts and had to revert back to using the sunglasses and visor."

 

If he were to remove his Visor he would lose control.  If he loses control that is one of many openings that Wolverine could use and exploit.  Right off that bat that option is out.  Which means he has to rely on his Hand-to-Hand Combat skills.  Which he cannot out fight Wolverine.  Cyclops will lose this fight.

@AngelDust616: 

I enjoyed the thought baloons too, lol!.  Wolverine Origins was a pretty good story arc.  Didn't Wolverine beat Captain America in that story Arc?  Much to my dismay as Cap is my favorite character. 

As far as the ideologies go.  I think you are right.  Regardless, even if they go fisticuffs I seriously doubt Marvel would let either one of the characters kill the other in combat, not that they would.  I do think they have a sort of underlying respect for one another.  I do think they would fight until one of the them would be knocked unconscience. 

How funny would it be if Schism was the beginning of a possible future where Cyclops and Wolverine take on the roles of Professor Xavier (Cyclops) and Magneto (Wolverine).  I could see Wolverine crippling Cyclops and putting him in a hover chair like Professor X.  And Cyclops putting together a team of New X-Men or S-Men to protect Mutants and promote a peaceful co-existence between humans.  Where is Wolverine and his X-Force Team fight for Mutant rights by annihilating Anti-Mutant Targets. 

@AngelDust616: 

That is a sweet picture.  The Brood was extremely huge and hard to miss.  Cyclops really didn't need to worry about missing.  Wolverine presents a way smaller target therefore would be harder to hit since he doesn't have control.  I submit this picture for you judgement.  This is from the Story Arc Apocalypse:  The Twelve when Wolverine was the horseman Death.

                @Roninidas: True, how about this? Cyclops took down the entire X-Men team (including Rogue, Colossus, Storm, and Wolverine) on his own, with broken ribs.

           

Alright that is a nice fine, but it looks like Scott used Nightcrawler against Wolverine.  So, how would Scott do on a one on one? 

I am not sure where this image comes from, but how's this.

@Roninidas said:

I've been waiting for this fight for a long time.  I was a huge fan of the X-Men:  The Animated Series growing up and Cyclops has always come off a bit **whiny** to me, an image that has stuck with me for a good long time.  I've always thought of him as kind of a douche.  If he were a Native American his name would be, "Bag of many Douches."  That's the thought and image of Cyclops I always have. 

 

He's gotten better.  Way better.  I actually kind of found a little love for him during Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men, but that is because Whedon is a genius.  I've read lot of the posts and responses and I am curious where did Scott receive his Tactical Training from?  How is his training better than Wolverine's? 

 

I got to be honest with you in a bare knuckle brawl Scott will get his ass hended to him.  He has experience in Tactical Strtategy sure.  I won't dispute that.  And again, he has experience as a Leader and a Field Commander, but besides Danger Room Training Sessions what Tactical Fighting Training has he had?  I don't think he has had any.  That doesn't make him a bad fighter, but when you pit him up against someone like Wolverine who's had plenty of Hand-to-Hand training its not feasible for Scott to win.  It is down right unlikely.

 

I am biased, Wolverine was my favorite hero growing up (Captain America is now that I am in adulthood) but taking away the biasnous and looking at how they stack up man to man; Cyclops is going to get killed. 

 

Wolverine has fought in World War One and Two.  He was apart of Team X, Weapon X, and Department H.  He is also a Samurai.  A freaking NINJA!  This man was made for Fighting. You add in all of his time with the X-Men and the fact that he knows Cyclops and what his limitations are and the additional bonus of the fact that they have trained together in the past, Wolverine has the advantage both Physically and Mentally.  Then throw in the Jean Grey factor and all the built in anger and hostility he has towards Cyclops for cheating on her and then immediately after her death hopping in bed with Emma.  Now, Wolverine has the Physical, Mental and Emotional aspect working for him. 

 

On top of all the this, the really juicy cherry on top is I believe and this is an opinion, I believe Wolverine has always held back when dealing with Cyclops.  All those times where Cyclops made a really dumb move or said just the right thing to get under Logan's Skin.  Wolverine could have gone all out, but he didn't.  He's been holding back.  In this fight, I don't want him to hold back.    I want him to cut loose, possibly go Berserker. I want him to see Red.   

 

Wolverine has gone solo against Sabretooth, Magneto, Omega Red, Silver Smaurai, Lady Deathstrike, and countless others... **Cough*Cough** The Incredible Hulk. 

 

Do you really think Cyclops can beat Wolverine?  I mean really. REALLY! 

 

X-Men # 150

 

 

 X-Men # 150

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

X-Men # 150 when Magneto infiltrated the X-Men posing as Xorn.  Wolverine went Berserker and lopped off Magneto's Head. 

 

Come On! 

 

 

So we're just going to ignore Cyclops' mutant ability? Because a tactical genius is going to get into H2H combat with an invunerable berserker? There's no way Wolverine can beat Cyclops. All Scott has to do is remove his visor and the fight is over.And for the record, Scott has taken down the X-Men singlehandedly (including Wolverine), before.
           

I didn't really see his Optical Beam as noteworthy.  First, he has to land a hit on Wolverine.  Wolverine can and should be able to dodge and out manuever the Optic Blasts on the way to Arms Length Distance of Cyclops.  Once he is in that distance, Cyclops Optic Blast kind of becomes null and void unless he can get Wolverine in a position that he can use it without Wolverine being to strike at him. 

I focused more on the hand-to-hand aspect, because that is what this fight is going to come down to. 

If Scott were to remove his visor as you suggested that will be a huge folly on his part.  This excerpt is taken from Cyclops Comic Vine Page...

"Due to psychological trauma and physical injury at a young age, Cyclops is unable to control his optic blasts. In connection, his eyes have become more reliant on the ruby quartz he uses rather than affecting change to the injury. Emma Frost has recently claimed the psychological trauma of losing his parents and being separated from his brother are primarily responsible for his inability to control his powers. Mister Sinister has also claimed that his eyes have become reliant on the ruby quartz sunglasses and visor, therefore making it hard for Cyclops to control the blasts on his own. After overcoming the trauma, he was able to control his blasts and open his eyes for a period of time. However, he gradually began losing control of the blasts and had to revert back to using the sunglasses and visor."

If he were to remove his Visor he would lose control.  If he loses control that is one of many openings that Wolverine could use and exploit.  Right off that bat that option is out.  Which means he has to rely on his Hand-to-Hand Combat skills.  Which he cannot out fight Wolverine.  Cyclops will lose this fight.

@ Sara 'Babs' Lima

What do you think on this subject?  Wolverine or Cyclops?

I can't believe people are saying Cyclops is an ineffectual leader. He pretty much protected and united all of mutant kind with Utopia. Wolverine would never be able to achieve that. Also, I want Shadowcat as leader of the X-Men.

i created a blog about this too

didn't know about this

@Doctor!!!!! said:

Oh its on!!!! Cykes been wanting to that for 3 decades!

LOL I'm not even sure why I'm responding to this but, seriously? You're gonna tell me that Cyclops, goodie two shoes of the X Men is gonna beat a mutant that has been alive since the 1800's, fought in every major conflict of the world including WW I and 2, been part of Weapon X and God knows how many other teams, fought and beat the Angel of Death multiple times for his own soul, been to Hell (literally) and fought his way out, killed Sabretooth, killed Magneto and is almost damn near impossible to kill is gonna die from a blast from Cyclops?

Please explain to me how this would be possible? If the Angel of Death had a difficult enough time fighting Wolverine, why would Cyclops have a better chance? Wolverine has decades of training, killed a s#$%load of people, and doesn't need a whole lot of convincing to kill the guy that jumped into bed with Emma Frost when Jean Grey's corpse wasn't even cold yet. I don't doubt Cyclops' leadership but if you're gonna tell me that Cyclops is gonna beat Wolverine in a fight then I'm pretty sure you're retarded

To all the Wolverine haters, overrated or not...he's still the best at what he does

Marvel not gonna do this,but,please Cyclops kick Wolverine´s ass!!!!
I´m tired of the guy! it´s everywere!!

I've been waiting for this fight for a long time.  I was a huge fan of the X-Men:  The Animated Series growing up and Cyclops has always come off a bit **whiny** to me, an image that has stuck with me for a good long time.  I've always thought of him as kind of a douche.  If he were a Native American his name would be, "Bag of many Douches."  That's the thought and image of Cyclops I always have. 

 

He's gotten better.  Way better.  I actually kind of found a little love for him during Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men, but that is because Whedon is a genius.  I've read lot of the posts and responses and I am curious where did Scott receive his Tactical Training from?  How is his training better than Wolverine's? 

 

I got to be honest with you in a bare knuckle brawl Scott will get his ass hended to him.  He has experience in Tactical Strtategy sure.  I won't dispute that.  And again, he has experience as a Leader and a Field Commander, but besides Danger Room Training Sessions what Tactical Fighting Training has he had?  I don't think he has had any.  That doesn't make him a bad fighter, but when you pit him up against someone like Wolverine who's had plenty of Hand-to-Hand training its not feasible for Scott to win.  It is down right unlikely.

 

I am biased, Wolverine was my favorite hero growing up (Captain America is now that I am in adulthood) but taking away the biasnous and looking at how they stack up man to man; Cyclops is going to get killed. 

 

Wolverine has fought in World War One and Two.  He was apart of Team X, Weapon X, and Department H.  He is also a Samurai.  A freaking NINJA!  This man was made for Fighting. You add in all of his time with the X-Men and the fact that he knows Cyclops and what his limitations are and the additional bonus of the fact that they have trained together in the past, Wolverine has the advantage both Physically and Mentally.  Then throw in the Jean Grey factor and all the built in anger and hostility he has towards Cyclops for cheating on her and then immediately after her death hopping in bed with Emma.  Now, Wolverine has the Physical, Mental and Emotional aspect working for him. 

 

On top of all the this, the really juicy cherry on top is I believe and this is an opinion, I believe Wolverine has always held back when dealing with Cyclops.  All those times where Cyclops made a really dumb move or said just the right thing to get under Logan's Skin.  Wolverine could have gone all out, but he didn't.  He's been holding back.  In this fight, I don't want him to hold back.    I want him to cut loose, possibly go Berserker. I want him to see Red.   

 

Wolverine has gone solo against Sabretooth, Magneto, Omega Red, Silver Smaurai, Lady Deathstrike, and countless others... **Cough*Cough** The Incredible Hulk. 

 

Do you really think Cyclops can beat Wolverine?  I mean really. REALLY! 

 

X-Men # 150

 

 

 X-Men # 150

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

X-Men # 150 when Magneto infiltrated the X-Men posing as Xorn.  Wolverine went Berserker and lopped off Magneto's Head. 

 

Come On! 

 

 

Kind of heartbreaking for me. I know they've had a long-standing rivalry...but, still, they're X-Men. They should be family. I could only see this happen if Cyclops pushed the X-Men too far across the line of "good", forcing Wolverine's hand to stop him.  (note: I haven't read any X-Men after Second Coming, yet, so I'm not sure if that's the case or not)

I've been waiting for this fight for a long time.  I was a huge fan of the X-Men:  The Animated Series growing up and Cyclops has always come off a bit **whiny** to me, an image that has stuck with me for a good long time.  I've always thought of him as kind of a douche.  If he were a Native American his name would be, "Bag of many Douches."  That's the thought and image of Cyclops I always have. 

He's gotten better.  Way better.  I actually kind of found a little love for him during Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men, but that is because Whedon is a genius.  I've read lot of the posts and responses and I am curious where did Scott receive his Tactical Training from?  How is his training better than Wolverine's? 

I got to be honest with you in a bare knuckle brawl Scott will get his ass hended to him.  He has experience in Tactical Strtategy sure.  I won't dispute that.  And again, he has experience as a Leader and a Field Commander, but besides Danger Room Training Sessions what Tactical Fighting Training has he had?  I don't think he has had any.  That doesn't make him a bad fighter, but when you pit him up against someone like Wolverine who's had plenty of Hand-to-Hand training its not feasible for Scott to win.  It is down right unlikely.

I am biased, Wolverine was my favorite hero growing up (Captain America is now that I am in adulthood) but taking away the biasnous and looking at how they stack up man to man; Cyclops is going to get killed. 

Wolverine has fought in World War One and Two.  He was apart of Team X, Weapon X, and Department H.  He is also a Samurai.  A freaking NINJA!  This man was made for Fighting. You add in all of his time with the X-Men and the fact that he knows Cyclops and what his limitations are and the additional bonus of the fact that they have trained together in the past, Wolverine has the advantage both Physically and Mentally.  Then throw in the Jean Grey factor and all the built in anger and hostility he has towards Cyclops for cheating on her and then immediately after her death hopping in bed with Emma.  Now, Wolverine has the Physical, Mental and Emotional aspect working for him. 

On top of all the this, the really juicy cherry on top is I believe and this is an opinion, I believe Wolverine has always held back when dealing with Cyclops.  All those times where Cyclops made a really dumb move or said just the right thing to get under Logan's Skin.  Wolverine could have gone all out, but he didn't.  He's been holding back.  In this fight, I don't want him to hold back.    I want him to cut loose, possibly go Berserker. I want him to see Red.   

Wolverine has gone solo against Sabretooth, Magneto, Omega Red, Silver Smaurai, Lady Deathstrike, and countless others... **Cough*Cough** The Incredible Hulk. 

Do you really think Cyclops can beat Wolverine?  I mean really. REALLY! 

X-Men # 150

 X-Men # 150

X-Men # 150 when Magneto infiltrated the X-Men posing as Xorn.  Wolverine went Berserker and lopped off Magneto's Head. 

Come On!