Schism Teaser Reveals Long-Awaited Cyclops vs Wolverine Brawl

I don't know why, but I've always liked Cyclopse more then Wolverine.... I hope Scott wins.

I think they're pretty evenly matched. Don't recall them having gone all-out in 616 before, but they certainly did in AoA which you could say resulted in a draw.

I prefer Cyke, Logan is so overrated. But if the majority speaks probably Logan win.

Or maybe this is just some crap Marvel brought to make us excited hell, I'm not buying it.

Cyke needs to lose I am tired of all the other x-men jobbing and looking incompetent so he can look good. I hope wolverine kills him.

I prefer Wolverine, but summers wins it.

Reasoning, in the teenage mutant ninja turtles, the turtle with the sword can't use his weapon because its a childrens show.. You can't have a character getting stabbed with a sword and dying or something... You can't have cyclops getting stabbed. (You can however have WOlverine getting shot by eye beams)

I dont wanna see them divided....

Here's my issue with this schism so far...If the issue is Wolverine still doing X-Force, it doesn't make sense because Cyclops did it first...Professor X and/or Storm would be more at odds with Cyclops, as they know that Wolverine is a "natural born killer" - and I see the odds being more from the Professor versus the way Cyclops has been handling things...the choices Cyclops have made, has made him too close to Magneto, and Wolverine has been going along with it...What, now, we're supposed to believe one of them has a change of heart?  I've actually liked the way they've handled Cyclops...I just think this Schism seems to be pandering to the "popularity" of Wolverine...Seems like Marvel just keeps trying to up it's ante' and the storylines seem to be getting more disconnected...

I rather hope Cyclops blasts the face off that pointlessly over-hyped character that is Wolverine. I am sick of him appearing in everything, being the reason for everything and involved in everything. Honestly, did the new Avengers have to pour their abilities into F*&%ing Wolverine of all characters when Doctor Voodoo, Strange and Hellstorm were all there? Does he need to be in the Avengers, the X-Men, X-Force and everything else? I honestly hate the character and think that Cyclops has gone from strength to strength in his characterization and ability since Morrison's New X-Men cast him in a positive light away from the "I AM SCOTT SUMMERS INEFFECTUAL LEADER AND BY THE BOOKS MAN. LOOK AT MY EYES I MISS MY WIFE" He's a proper character now.

Thank God.

Due to Wolverine's popularity they're going to have him pound on Cyke..
Scott should have no problem what so ever dropping Wolverine. Unless Logan can catch him by surprise.

@Dh4niel said:

I can't believe people are saying Cyclops is an ineffectual leader. He pretty much protected and united all of mutant kind with Utopia. Wolverine would never be able to achieve that. Also, I want Shadowcat as leader of the X-Men.

I like to think of Cyclops as like, president/prime minister of this new world for mutants. He provides a necessary role as leader, but no-one particularly likes him. You can either be a hero or be the guy who saves the world, and they aren't always the same guy.

YES!

ugh, this looks so...boring, i'm sorry but i can pretty much guess how this is gonna play out

I'm not buying this crap. I'm tired of Marvel yanking my chain with these garbage X-events.

ugh, this looks so...boring, i'm sorry but i can pretty much guess how this is gonna play out

cyke discovers Logan has a secret x force, gets all mad about it, kicks logan out of Utopia, the pro Logan mutants on the island follow him, the pro scott stays, eventually a big event happens that threatens mutant kind (again) forces them to work together again and eventually everything goes back to normal....as usual, nothing really changes

nothing will happen that will be a long lasting change, period.
neither one can or will die because it doesn't even remotely make sense. cyclops has died before and it was fixed almost immediately, and he came back with a new, pissed at everything attitude. wolverine can't die because that's like 12 different books that just went down the drain.
also cyclops isn't like magneto, but he has accomplished what neither xavier or magneto could. and even though he was appointed, he still holds himself on a pretty high pedestal as a leader of mutant-kind. a lot of his plans have saved lives as well as lost them (just like any leader who makes a huge decision though) and that may be taking it's effect on the others finally.

I seriously doubt that anything like a knock-down, drag-out battle between Cyclops and Wolverine is going to happen. I'm pretty sure that they have buried the hatchet a LONG time ago...this is probably going to be more of a disagreement than anything else. I am curious, however, about what the disagreement will be over. X-Force, Jean (again), etc....

Oh..and JonesDeini, you NAILED it in regards to leadership...absolutely nailed it...For those that want to call Cyclops an ineffective leader, uh, yeah...right...just what have you been reading?

Wolverine is (...)the reason why Wolverine and the X-Mwn got cancelled after 1 season =P

(...) I am tired of all the other x-men jobbing and looking incompetent so he can look good. I hope wolverine kills him.

I think its already been advertised that this won't be Wolverine in a leadership position, more just a clash of ideologies and ways to do what the X does. Overall for me, X-Men, franchise has been far to plot driven. As opposed to character driven. I don't buy the characterization thats being sold to me, so I am divorced from the story and so pointing out flaws in how characters act is fruitless for me essentially. In stark contrast there are many books, where the the aim within the book (as opposed to the banner of the over X-Franchise direction) is character based and very character strong, X-Factor for example, K&Y's X-Force and even current X-Force to a lesser extent) Thats all I am hoping for with Schism. Careful consideration for all characters characterizations, as opposed to the development of a few as to better serve the plot. I'd theorize too, that this would bring X-Men more fans as well. X-Men was always a fan favorite because lots of characters voices were heard and unity was hard earned and worked towards, not so freely given by writers whose biggest criticisms are inconsistency with book continuity. So its wait and see for me (given that writers/editors who set the current X-course are not the same people working on Schism)

I think its already been advertised that this won't be Wolverine in a leadership position, more just a clash of ideologies and ways to do what the X does. Overall for me, X-Men, franchise has been far to plot driven. As opposed to character driven. I don't buy the characterization thats being sold to me, so I am divorced from the story and so pointing out flaws in how characters act is fruitless for me essentially. In stark contrast there are many books, where the the aim within the book (as opposed to the banner of the over X-Franchise direction) is character based and very character strong, X-Factor for example, K&Y's X-Force and even current X-Force to a lesser extent) Thats all I am hoping for with Schism. Careful consideration for all characters characterizations, as opposed to the development of a few as to better serve the plot. I'd theorize too, that this would bring X-Men more fans as well. X-Men was always a fan favorite because lots of characters voices were heard and unity was hard earned and worked towards, not so freely given by writers whose biggest criticisms are inconsistency with book continuity. So its wait and see for me (given that writers/editors who set the current X-course are not the same people working on Schism)

@-Eclipse- said:

@Dh4niel said:

I can't believe people are saying Cyclops is an ineffectual leader. He pretty much protected and united all of mutant kind with Utopia. Wolverine would never be able to achieve that. Also, I want Shadowcat as leader of the X-Men.

I like to think of Cyclops as like, president/prime minister of this new world for mutants. He provides a necessary role as leader, but no-one particularly likes him. You can either be a hero or be the guy who saves the world, and they aren't always the same guy.

Please explain when did he exactly save the world ?Do you really think Cyke is irreplaceable ?

He hasn't, I was just quoting an issue of Invincible... xP

But, while I don't read the X-Men, I'm pretty sure Cyclops has saved mutantkind since becoming leader. My main point was that no-one really likes their leaders. People loved Obama, until he became President, and starting actually making decisions, then more people started to turn on him. Same over here in the UK, people kinda liked Clegg and Cameron, but since they got elected no-one likes them anymore. That's how I see Cyclops nowadays. He's the leader, he has to make the decisions that no-one else has the courage to make. He knows that people don't like him, but he's okay with that as long as he's doing his best for mutantkind.

Though I'm sure if I had actually read Uncanny for the last few years, Fraction's apparently awful writing would have convinced me otherwise, LOL

Poor Cyke.Poor Child.Nobody loves this guy lmao

@War Killer: LOL, that's my point, fool :P

It's the same situation here, our government is screwing us over. But people complain about EVERY government, no leader can get it all right. You just have to hope they get a few things right, and don't blow up the country. At least your guy got Bin Laden killed, what have ours done? Tripled tuition fees for university, screwed up everyone's pension and messed with our free healthcare system. >.<

Cyclops is just like Obama and Cameron, only he's more awesome cause of his crazy abs and lazer beam eyes.

I`m definetly on Wolverines side ! And I also think that cykes going to find out about the new X-force :D this is going to be soo cool :D

@War Killer: LOL, that's my point, fool :P

It's the same situation here, our government is screwing us over. But people complain about EVERY government, no leader can get it all right. You just have to hope they get a few things right, and don't blow up the country. At least your guy got Bin Laden killed, what have ours done? Tripled tuition fees for university, screwed up everyone's pension and messed with our free healthcare system. >.<

Cyclops is just like Obama and Cameron, only he's more awesome cause of his crazy abs and lazer beam eyes.

I've been waiting for this fight for a long time.  I was a huge fan of the X-Men:  The Animated Series growing up and Cyclops has always come off a bit **whiny** to me, an image that has stuck with me for a good long time.  I've always thought of him as kind of a douche.  If he were a Native American his name would be, "Bag of many Douches."  That's the thought and image of Cyclops I always have. 

He's gotten better.  Way better.  I actually kind of found a little love for him during Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men, but that is because Whedon is a genius.  I've read lot of the posts and responses and I am curious where did Scott receive his Tactical Training from?  How is his training better than Wolverine's? 

I got to be honest with you in a bare knuckle brawl Scott will get his ass hended to him.  He has experience in Tactical Strtategy sure.  I won't dispute that.  And again, he has experience as a Leader and a Field Commander, but besides Danger Room Training Sessions what Tactical Fighting Training has he had?  I don't think he has had any.  That doesn't make him a bad fighter, but when you pit him up against someone like Wolverine who's had plenty of Hand-to-Hand training its not feasible for Scott to win.  It is down right unlikely.

I am biased, Wolverine was my favorite hero growing up (Captain America is now that I am in adulthood) but taking away the biasnous and looking at how they stack up man to man; Cyclops is going to get killed. 

Wolverine has fought in World War One and Two.  He was apart of Team X, Weapon X, and Department H.  He is also a Samurai.  A freaking NINJA!  This man was made for Fighting. You add in all of his time with the X-Men and the fact that he knows Cyclops and what his limitations are and the additional bonus of the fact that they have trained together in the past, Wolverine has the advantage both Physically and Mentally.  Then throw in the Jean Grey factor and all the built in anger and hostility he has towards Cyclops for cheating on her and then immediately after her death hopping in bed with Emma.  Now, Wolverine has the Physical, Mental and Emotional aspect working for him. 

On top of all the this, the really juicy cherry on top is I believe and this is an opinion, I believe Wolverine has always held back when dealing with Cyclops.  All those times where Cyclops made a really dumb move or said just the right thing to get under Logan's Skin.  Wolverine could have gone all out, but he didn't.  He's been holding back.  In this fight, I don't want him to hold back.    I want him to cut loose, possibly go Berserker. I want him to see Red.   

Wolverine has gone solo against Sabretooth, Magneto, Omega Red, Silver Smaurai, Lady Deathstrike, and countless others... **Cough*Cough** The Incredible Hulk. 

Do you really think Cyclops can beat Wolverine?  I mean really. REALLY! 

X-Men # 150

 X-Men # 150

X-Men # 150 when Magneto infiltrated the X-Men posing as Xorn.  Wolverine went Berserker and lopped off Magneto's Head. 

Come On! 

Kind of heartbreaking for me. I know they've had a long-standing rivalry...but, still, they're X-Men. They should be family. I could only see this happen if Cyclops pushed the X-Men too far across the line of "good", forcing Wolverine's hand to stop him.  (note: I haven't read any X-Men after Second Coming, yet, so I'm not sure if that's the case or not)

I've been waiting for this fight for a long time.  I was a huge fan of the X-Men:  The Animated Series growing up and Cyclops has always come off a bit **whiny** to me, an image that has stuck with me for a good long time.  I've always thought of him as kind of a douche.  If he were a Native American his name would be, "Bag of many Douches."  That's the thought and image of Cyclops I always have. 

 

He's gotten better.  Way better.  I actually kind of found a little love for him during Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men, but that is because Whedon is a genius.  I've read lot of the posts and responses and I am curious where did Scott receive his Tactical Training from?  How is his training better than Wolverine's? 

 

I got to be honest with you in a bare knuckle brawl Scott will get his ass hended to him.  He has experience in Tactical Strtategy sure.  I won't dispute that.  And again, he has experience as a Leader and a Field Commander, but besides Danger Room Training Sessions what Tactical Fighting Training has he had?  I don't think he has had any.  That doesn't make him a bad fighter, but when you pit him up against someone like Wolverine who's had plenty of Hand-to-Hand training its not feasible for Scott to win.  It is down right unlikely.

 

I am biased, Wolverine was my favorite hero growing up (Captain America is now that I am in adulthood) but taking away the biasnous and looking at how they stack up man to man; Cyclops is going to get killed. 

 

Wolverine has fought in World War One and Two.  He was apart of Team X, Weapon X, and Department H.  He is also a Samurai.  A freaking NINJA!  This man was made for Fighting. You add in all of his time with the X-Men and the fact that he knows Cyclops and what his limitations are and the additional bonus of the fact that they have trained together in the past, Wolverine has the advantage both Physically and Mentally.  Then throw in the Jean Grey factor and all the built in anger and hostility he has towards Cyclops for cheating on her and then immediately after her death hopping in bed with Emma.  Now, Wolverine has the Physical, Mental and Emotional aspect working for him. 

 

On top of all the this, the really juicy cherry on top is I believe and this is an opinion, I believe Wolverine has always held back when dealing with Cyclops.  All those times where Cyclops made a really dumb move or said just the right thing to get under Logan's Skin.  Wolverine could have gone all out, but he didn't.  He's been holding back.  In this fight, I don't want him to hold back.    I want him to cut loose, possibly go Berserker. I want him to see Red.   

 

Wolverine has gone solo against Sabretooth, Magneto, Omega Red, Silver Smaurai, Lady Deathstrike, and countless others... **Cough*Cough** The Incredible Hulk. 

 

Do you really think Cyclops can beat Wolverine?  I mean really. REALLY! 

 

X-Men # 150

 

 

 X-Men # 150

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

X-Men # 150 when Magneto infiltrated the X-Men posing as Xorn.  Wolverine went Berserker and lopped off Magneto's Head. 

 

Come On! 

 

 

Marvel not gonna do this,but,please Cyclops kick Wolverine´s ass!!!!
I´m tired of the guy! it´s everywere!!

LOL I'm not even sure why I'm responding to this but, seriously? You're gonna tell me that Cyclops, goodie two shoes of the X Men is gonna beat a mutant that has been alive since the 1800's, fought in every major conflict of the world including WW I and 2, been part of Weapon X and God knows how many other teams, fought and beat the Angel of Death multiple times for his own soul, been to Hell (literally) and fought his way out, killed Sabretooth, killed Magneto and is almost damn near impossible to kill is gonna die from a blast from Cyclops?

Please explain to me how this would be possible? If the Angel of Death had a difficult enough time fighting Wolverine, why would Cyclops have a better chance? Wolverine has decades of training, killed a s#$%load of people, and doesn't need a whole lot of convincing to kill the guy that jumped into bed with Emma Frost when Jean Grey's corpse wasn't even cold yet. I don't doubt Cyclops' leadership but if you're gonna tell me that Cyclops is gonna beat Wolverine in a fight then I'm pretty sure you're retarded

To all the Wolverine haters, overrated or not...he's still the best at what he does

@Doctor!!!!! said:

Oh its on!!!! Cykes been wanting to that for 3 decades!

i created a blog about this too

didn't know about this

I can't believe people are saying Cyclops is an ineffectual leader. He pretty much protected and united all of mutant kind with Utopia. Wolverine would never be able to achieve that. Also, I want Shadowcat as leader of the X-Men.

@ Sara 'Babs' Lima

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