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Rick Remender Discusses Act II of AVENGERS & X-MEN AXIS

Rick Remender and Tom Brevoort discuss what's coming down the road for AXIS

In act II of AXIS, everyone's moral compass gets turned upside-down as good becomes bad and bad becomes good. Marvel held a conference call with members of the press to discuss Act II of this event with writer Rick Remender and Executive Editor Tom Brevoort. The call opened up with Chris D'Lando from Marvel PR. "What is inversion? Call it re-calibration of the Marvel universes moral compass."

Act II: Inversion

When: November 2014

Writer: Rick Remender

Act II Artists: Leinil Yu & Terry Dodson

What: With the fate of the Red Skull decided, the Age of Inversion will be born. The greatest heroes of the Marvel Universe, corrupted. Twisted and transformed into our worst nightmares. Even the fragile alliance of Avengers and X-Men can stand what’s coming. The new Sorceress Supreme, the destruction of Latveria, the return of an ancient X-Men foe, and the birth of KLUH – the strongest one there is. Only Steve Rogers, Spider-Man and Nova stand in the way – and this is not a fight they can win. In the face of unrestrained chaos, bear witness to the rise of the AXIS OF EVIL!

Each act of Axis stands on their own and high concept. Rick Remender says the fun of something like this is to subvert expectation and surprised people with new things. During 3 months, the shifts bridge into a new high concept and keeps people on their toes. Act I has the X-Men and Avengers teaming up to stop the Red Skull and that leads to the Inversion.

AXIS #4 by Jim Cheung/Credit: Marvel Comics

Remender states that the way things go in the first act and they way the deal with red onslaught leaves with them with a rammy. "I put on my dungeon master's cap and twist alignments around." It twists certain characteristics. With Loki, "It's not so cut and dry as good guy becomes super-bad guy." There's a lot of character defining moments. This has huge ramifications for everyone, the Spider-Man world and Avengers, and we're launching the new Iron Man book out of it, SUPERIOR IRON MAN.

We will be seeing an inverted Tony Stark. Something in his alignment turns him back into the character he was, which shows his growth. It will lead to a conflict with Daredevil. "I've read Tom Taylor's Iron Man scripts and they're fantastic," says Remender. While these characters are inverting, not everyone gets a new outfit.

Deadpool will also be playing a very big role in AXIS. There's huge changes for Scarlet Witch, Magneto, Dr Doom, Loki, Apocalypse. Uncanny Avengers has been the lead up to this. As we move forward, various characters are going to have some pretty huge and interesting changes.

Tom Brevoort says that we'll see a lot of changes in the tie-in books. Nick Lowe has been going batty because he hasn't been able to talk about Carnage and Hobgoblin because of the changes. You'll be looking at those characters in a new light. Hobgobin is a good business man rather than a bad business man. This will be different than any other stories from those characters you've ever read before. Carnage trying to be a good guy, on a redemption arc, still ends up with a lot of bloodshed. It's going to be something pretty special.

Chris asks about guiding Captain America with Sam in the costume. Rick says, "I didn't want to make unnatural things happen." Sam's role kind of shifts. It's ok to say there will be a fight between Sam "Captain America" Wilson and the X-Men. "It was nice to give Sam his first dance."

Marvel.com asked if Remender is building off of his earlier work with Apocalypse. "It was a piece of my plan." The moments with Apocalypse do build off of his work on UNCANNY X-FORCE. "You don't need to read them to hop in but they do have connective tissue. There's a piece of that going back. It will lead to a lot of punch-em-ups"

Newsarama asks How would Cyclops change his point of view, since he's a character who can be described as a bit more villainous lately? Remender states that it's a big part of issue 4 and the payout in issue 7. Something the X-Men do in this event is not something people can forget and Scott's inversion plays a lot into that.

AXIS #5 by Jim Cheung/Credit: Marvel Comics

IGN asks about the cover with Kluh on it. This is what's born of an abused Bruce Banner, as a child. It's the blackest, darkest, most evil thing. He's the Hulk's Hulk.

We ask about Scarlet Witch and Doctor Doom and working with the continuity of AVENGERS: THE CHILDREN'S CRUSADE. Remender says they're all about respecting continuity. Both of these characters have been inverted and it leads to some interesting concepts and one of them is out for revenge.

WordBalloon asks about Hobgoblin's inversion. They can't give too much away because it will kill the big reveals for that character in upcoming months. Rick says "You can take the status quo of that character and flip it upside down and understand what's going on."

Comicbook.com asks is AXIS spin off into spin offs. Brevoort says it's not out of the question. "We are launching of a Iron Man book out of it." Remender metions that one of the villains coming out of this gets a bigger spotlight.

CBR wants to know which characters were they most excited to explore. Remender mentions Kluh "Hulk's Hulk," and that Deadpool is a tremendous amount of fun. Apocalypse and the Summers brothers as well. He said writing Tony Stark as a meglomaniac scumbag was also a blast.

Marvel.com wonders with NEW AVENGERS jumping ahead 8 months, what conversations have they had with Hickman about dancing around while he's working on that book? Brevoort says there's stuff that will be teased and foreshadowed in Avengers and New Avengers. They'll be telling their story and you'll get it on the fly. It's not just "look where these guys are now." It should all work alright.

Newsarama asks if these inversion will be around afterwards. Remender says the inversion isn't going to be completely wrapped up after this is over.This will lead to a lot in other books.

IGN asks if Apocalypse is just the inversion of Genesis or is this a proper return. Tom says AXIS #4 is on sale in November.

AXIS #6 by Jim Cheung/Credit: Marvel Comics

We asked if they found characters that are a little more morally ambiguous, like Loki, did they find any characters that were hard to write. Remender said that it's not hard, but he spent a lot of time talking to people on their books. "For Loki, I can't reflect without talking to them. Al had a lot of great input for the character. Loki has a huge beat in this. It gives the 12 year old kid in my goosebumps." Remender mentions that Thor is going to behave differently during this. "The difficulties came around trying to get my head around Magneto who is justifiably homicidal. Not that I'm condoning vigilante murder... What are his alignments and when you change them what do you get out of that?" He play giant role.

WordBallon wants to know ore about Luke Cage. Remender says "Luke is part of... there's a group called AXIS. They are the Axis of Evil." Because of the inversion, it makes sense. Luke Cage and Medusa are a part of that. Luke's inversion plays a sizable role in the second act and a huge role in the third act. The Nova and Mighty Avengers cross over plans are a lot of fun. A bad Luke Cage who run an Avengers squad, he reverts to aspects of his past.

Comicbook.com asks if we'll see Steve Rogers. Remender replies that he plays a huge role in this story. If Steve and Sam were at odds, that would be interesting.

CBR wants to know if the characters are going to remember the times before they've inverted. How will that affect them? Remender says an inverted character, example Sabretooth, you'll no longer going to kill to achieve your goal. You're going to save someone and take the hit. He's not capable of killing like he used to. He's going to save someone and take the hit. He's a kinder more gentler Sabretooth.

Act I of AXIS hits shops in early October and Act II starts in November.

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Posted by The Stegman

Is "Kluh" gonna be like "Mazahs" ??

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Posted by inferiorego

Is "Kluh" gonna be like "Mazahs" ??

Maybe he'll be more like Kltpzyxm Rm

Posted by saoakden

I'm excited for this story. I'm looking forward to see what happens in Avengers & X-Men: Axis.

Posted by metroplex02

Tony drinking CONFIRMED!!!!

Edited by Wardishy

Sounds really interesting. I will say though, while trying not to be an asshole about it, that this article needs a little tidying up. There's nothing majorly wrong but I noticed a lot of minor petty mistakes. Easily missed when you're writing up in a hurry though.

Posted by frozenedge

Man the more news we get about this the more I'm excited about this

Posted by TheCheeseStabber

" Carnage trying to be a good guy, on a redemption arc, still ends up with a lot of bloodshed."

Wha..

Posted by chaos911

Wait there are going to make carnage a good guy?! This got a whole lot more interesting

Posted by i_dont_like_comics

OH NO! luke cage became the MOST EVIL OF EVILS: BUSINESS MAN!!!!!!!!!

Edited by movieartman

i really like how tony stark has just gone in to full "F__K B___s Get Money" mode

Posted by LenSnart

getting a real forever evil vibe from this, and it's not just the reverse hulk thing, the whole aesthetic of it reminds me of forever evil

Edited by movieartman

also they seem to have said "what was the best part of fear itself" in regards to the hulk design
as the one guy who loved fear itself im very much ok with this

Posted by TheAcidSkull

Hulks hulk,eh?
I hate marvel events but now I'm interested.

Edited by Teerack

Is that Hulk as a horseman of Apocalypse?! O.o

Seeing Wanda protecting Doom reminds me how amazing The Children's Crusade was and I'm now excited about this.

Seeing Tony's eyes I feel like someone has to be in his body... that just doesn't look like Tony to me. Maybe it's Cassandra Nova? It's a nice touch having Daredevil in the background when Tony is relocating to San Fran.

Damn this needs to be out now!

Posted by Perfect 10

sounds a little confusing. will just wait for the books to come out. wonder if its wanda that's going to be the new sorceress supreme (though it would be better if they brought back jennifer kale)

Posted by TheFirstLantern

Now this got me interested.

Posted by SmashBrawler

@the_stegman said:

Is "Kluh" gonna be like "Mazahs" ??

Well, they're both equally stupid names.

Posted by Wardishy

Hey wait a minute... didn't they already use the Hulk's Hulk descriptor for Nul? Didn't read Fear Itself but I could have sworn I'd seen it used. Maybe in Fraction's Defenders?

Posted by Jake Fury

Sounds bloody stupid.

Posted by micah

Sounds awesome.

Posted by cameron83
Posted by Overlander

Daaaaangit! This is sounding INCREDIBLY interesting, but the more I learn about it, the more mind-blowing elements are revealed during the hype/coverage.

Edited by MannEffest

All aboard the hype train!! :D

Posted by cameron83

Daaaaangit! This is sounding INCREDIBLY interesting, but the more I learn about it, the more mind-blowing elements are revealed during the hype/coverage.

Now you feel my pain.

I'm trying no to get too excited.

Edited by DubyaNW

"It's ok to say there will be a fight between Sam "Captain America" Wilson and the X-Men. "It was nice to give Sam his first dance."

I hate when they do this. There isn't a single X-Man that Sam could beat. Not even Dazzler or Jubliee (before or after turning into a vampire) yet somehow due to writer laziness, he's going to take on a team of X-Men. Stop it, please. You're embarrassing yourself.

Posted by Comiclove5

It seems that in Act II of AXIS, all of the Avengers with the exception of a depowered Steve Rodgers, Nova (Sam Alexander), and Spider-Man are turned into bad guys. So I think AXIS act II will be depowered Steve Rodgers, Nova, Spider-Man, a gentler Sabertooth, Zenpool, Hobgoblin, and the X-Men vs The Red Onslaught & his Axis (The Avengers turned evil) vs Apocalypse. That sound like the kind of crazy-awesome-fun that can only happen in comics! I can't wait.

Posted by cameron83

@dubyanw said:

"It's ok to say there will be a fight between Sam "Captain America" Wilson and the X-Men. "It was nice to give Sam his first dance."

I hate when they do this. There isn't a single X-Man that Sam could beat. Not even Dazzler or Jubliee (before or after turning into a vampire) yet somehow due to writer laziness, he's going to take on a team of X-Men. Stop it, please. You're embarrassing yourself.

Woah,you already know how the fight went down? The context?

It seems that in Act II of AXIS, all of the Avengers with the exception of a depowered Steve Rodgers, Nova (Sam Alexander), and Spider-Man are turned into bad guys. So I think AXIS act II will be depowered Steve Rodgers, Nova, Spider-Man, a gentler Sabertooth, Zenpool, Hobgoblin, and the X-Men vs The Red Onslaught & his Axis (The Avengers turned evil) vs Apocalypse. That sound like the kind of crazy-awesome-fun that can only happen in comics! I can't wait.

Sounds like it.

Edited by cobra88king8

I really hope Apocalypse doesn't end up being Genesis. I really like the character and like the dynamic he has of fighting his "destiny". To just go and make his destiny "true" seems lazy to me. Although Remender is the one that started him on that arc so if anyone's going to be writing it well, it's him.

Posted by thetitan0

@lensnart: forever evil was a rip off of dark reign so fair is fair.

Posted by DcNoobReviews

@dubyanw: as much as i dig sam, he has no powers, so i will never understand how he is always kicking super being ass. i say the same thing for bat man, they stand no legit logical chance

Edited by Yung ANcient One

Tony drinking CONFIRMED!!!!

OH NO! luke cage became the MOST EVIL OF EVILS: BUSINESS MAN!!!!!!!!!

Posts like these are what make The Vine's community AWEsome.

ANyways,

Any guesses on what's going on here?

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Posted by DubyaNW

@dcnoobreviews: Well except Batman is the master of gadgets and he also has files on villain as well as superhero weaknesses (dude has a kryptonite ring) . I know its not canon but in Injustice (year one) the comic, Batman pushes a button on his utility belt which causes Cyborg to basically electrocute himself. When Cyborg is in disbelief because he realizes Batman did it by uploading a virus. Cyborg says that's impossible my firewalls are always updated. Then he goes apeshit because the sees the timestamp on the upload and it was the very first day he met Batman. Batman is thinking someday I may need to take out Cyborg even though he's a member of the Justice League. Yeah, so Batman is always thinking of stuff like that....Because he's Batman.

Posted by TheMantisShrimp

Anyone else wonder why Act II is being discussed before Act I even hits shelves? I'm not buying this so I'm not personally complaining, I have just always found it weird how spoilery comics media is. I want surprises in my books.

Posted by frozenedge

@yung_ancient_one: Deadpool becomes a level 5 mage, Luke becomes Mr. Terrific from Future's End, Tony is a douche again, Sabretooth becomes Sabrewolf, and Hob Goblin decided to ditch the hood

Posted by matchesmalone21

@wardishy said:

Hey wait a minute... didn't they already use the Hulk's Hulk descriptor for Nul? Didn't read Fear Itself but I could have sworn I'd seen it used. Maybe in Fraction's Defenders?

Then he is Hulk's Hulk of the Hulk

Posted by DubyaNW

@cameron83: Woah,you already know how the fight went down? The context?

He said "it was nice to give Sam his first Dance". So in his first "dance' he loses the fight? Highly unlikely. Sam is already a controversial choice to hoist the shield. They are not going to make him lose his first time out. So yes, I do know how the fight is going to go down.

Posted by cameron83

@dubyanw said:

@cameron83: Woah,you already know how the fight went down? The context?

He said "it was nice to give Sam his first Dance". So in his first "dance' he loses the fight? Highly unlikely. Sam is already a controversial choice to hoist the shield. They are not going to make him lose his first time out. So yes, I do know how the fight is going to go down.

That's quite a leap of faith based off of "first dance". "First dance" (obviously implying fight) does not necessarily mean that he will win the fight. That's not what that means at all. Your reasoning is simply based on "He's new,he's gonna get special treatment and they aren't gonna make him lose the first time",but that's nothing but assumption and speculation,plain and simple. Like when Bucky was Captain America,he didn't exactly get some sort of special treatment force field.

Posted by cameron83

@wardishy said:

Hey wait a minute... didn't they already use the Hulk's Hulk descriptor for Nul? Didn't read Fear Itself but I could have sworn I'd seen it used. Maybe in Fraction's Defenders?

Then he is Hulk's Hulk of the Hulk

SuperHulk.

Or something.

Posted by DubyaNW

@cameron83: Of course its an assumption. It's an assumption based prior history. I'm glad you mentioned Bucky. His first confrontation after becoming Cap was good old Red Skull. This is what the wiki says about it:

"Barnes and his allies succeed in aborting the Skull's plans, and Barnes saves the Democratic and Republican presidential candidates from assassination, winning public applause."

'Nuff said. Good night and drive safely.

Posted by VanderSEXXX

Hopefully Remender will pull of another good one just like he did with his X-Force run. (really hoping so)

Edited by cameron83

@dubyanw said:

@cameron83: Of course its an assumption. It's an assumption based prior history. I'm glad you mentioned Bucky. His first confrontation after becoming Cap was good old Red Skull. This is what the wiki says about it:

"Barnes and his allies succeed in aborting the Skull's plans, and Barnes saves the Democratic and Republican presidential candidates from assassination, winning public applause."

'Nuff said. Good night and drive safely.

It's an assumption.Thank you,end of story. I don't see how he's suddenly gonna solo the X-men (and again,context? Who's in the fight btw? Are they even trying to hurt him or talk to him?)

Nuff said? Reading that entire arc>>>a 1 sentence summary that leaves out every detail,and IIRC,didn't Bucky have trouble with Crossbones and Sin's Serpent Squad? And 1950s Cap? And it's almost like you read that as "Bucky soloed Red Skull" or that there was some sort of PIS shield in play. You do realize that it spanned or more than 1 issue,right? So it's nowhere near as simple as you are making it seem. Not in any way,shape,or form. It's not the same as Sam fighting The X-men and presumably winning, so I don't see how that does anything for your point,but as long as you sleep well at night.

Posted by mechwalker

Could Deadpool be the new Sorcerer Supreme???

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Posted by RaynorD

@wardishy: Yep it was used in Defenders, but it's just a load of bull, considering Nul had difficulty fighting Red She Hulk i have problems calling him Hulks Hulk, when he hasn't even shown feats close to even Savage Hulks level(let alone the more powerful versions). It was just hype as usual.

But this now seems interesting.

Posted by powerflux

@yung_ancient_one: I'm worried Deadpools monk outfit means he will take a vow of silence.....

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Posted by matchesmalone21

@matchesmalone21 said:

@wardishy said:

Hey wait a minute... didn't they already use the Hulk's Hulk descriptor for Nul? Didn't read Fear Itself but I could have sworn I'd seen it used. Maybe in Fraction's Defenders?

Then he is Hulk's Hulk of the Hulk

SuperHulk.

Or something.

yeah that too

Posted by Teerack

I wonder if they will keep Sabertooth good, since Marvel has no idea what to do with him other then have him try to kill ruin Wolverine's life over and over, and ht's not going to be possible soon.

Posted by Teerack

@cameron83 said:

@matchesmalone21 said:

@wardishy said:

Hey wait a minute... didn't they already use the Hulk's Hulk descriptor for Nul? Didn't read Fear Itself but I could have sworn I'd seen it used. Maybe in Fraction's Defenders?

Then he is Hulk's Hulk of the Hulk

SuperHulk.

Or something.

yeah that too

Idk what you're talking about but that's not Fear Itself Hulk or Hulk².

Posted by BR_Havoc

I feel they are telling people about act two because the announcement of this event was met with little hype so they have to drum up more sales. Just because this is Remender this will either take place in a different dimension or he will screw up all the characters he can but then quickly revert them to their old status quo when finished. At this point and time it looks like it will be the latter.

Edited by ZbvmX

Only interested with what happens to Loki :P

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