ORIGINAL SIN #7: What Made Thor Unworthy?

He whispered: Thor 2, The Dark World

Boy did it suck...

How would that make Thor unworthy though?

yeah that would only work on a Mauri show. The DNA test shows you are the father....um damn I just thought it was a ten thousand year stand...who would of thunk it.

Interesting

@thegator: that is the only explanation I actually like. Thank you. I hope you're right.

Maybe it isn't a specific event that made Thor unworthy. Maybe it was the knowledge of that specific event or mistake that changed Thor's state of mind and made Thor unworthy. Mjolnir originally didn't work for Thor because of his arrogance. Maybe Mjolnir doesn't give a shit about what the wielder does, only what the wielder feels. What if Mjolnir deems Thor unfit to wield it because his guilt at the knowledge of whatever Fury says breaks his convictions and throws his heart into chaos, thus making him "Unworthy" to wield Mjolnir. It's a weapon of incredible power. Odin wouldn't want someone suffering from emotional instability wielding it, I'm sure conviction is one of the things the enchantment looks for in a wielder. Maybe the hammer would find Dr. Doom or Magneto worthy if it weren't for their arrogance. Alternatively maybe Mjolnir judges worth by some kind of brain scan or something. Maybe it forms some kind of brain link through touch. Forms a kind of symbiotic bond with it's wielder's brain, and it gains access to their memories and thoughts that way. In that way if a particular character didn't know about something, then neither would the hammer, and becoming aware of an event would cause the hammer to also have knowledge of the event and be able to judge the individual on that event.

No because Thor has tossed the hammer away for more power in the past and come back and picked it up again with no problem.

So that is not it.

they make it to easy to steal the heroes power just about anybody can be worthy under those pretenses and have it back fire on them. Just wait till Bill fights somebody whom feels worthy in what they are doing and that is enough. Hitler felt like he was right in killing all those he killed does that make him worthy?

Why they would put something back on Odin had removed is insulting to readers.

@arthurkerr: I'm not exactly following what you're saying. Could you please elaborate further?

I am saying Odin removed that enchantment and promised Thor to never have it happen again.

So he told Thor nobody else would ever take his power again.

He removed the enchantment.

@arthurkerr: That does change things. I didn't know about that. As for "Feeling worthy" I wouldn't exactly word it like that. "Feeling worthy" brings to mind more arrogance than anything. I also never said in my theory that conviction was the only thing the enchantment would have been looking for. Honor was probably pretty big. Feeling you're cause is always just is just arrogance. I do however think being ready and willing to fight for what you believe and having faith in your own abilities would fit in with an Asgardian definition of "worthy." They were a warrior culture, who saw combat as honorable and killing as a necessary means to an end. So for say Hitler, who killed millions of innocent people on a whim, indirectly and with horrible and cruel methods, no I don't think the hammer would have found him worthy no matter how much he believed in what he was doing. I also don't think the hammer would have used a "Meh good enough" mentality. Say the hammer has 5 criteria for worthiness. One of them is conviction. Say Thor exhibits 5/5 criteria. Then Fury breaks his convictions with whatever he said. hammer sees 4/5 and says "Nope. Not good enough." But none of this speculation on my part means anything anymore if Odin lifted the enchantment. Are you sure they didn't retcon that somewhere recently?

I am pretty sure it was never put back on in comics this is just another toss it in the pie and see whom bites thing.

I remember when somebody took over as captain America and I was like oh like I care about somebody else in the suit.

I think of Iron Man and I understand what people say anybody can wear the suit but you know that may be the case but there is only one Tony Stark and he embodies the armor. He can upgrade it on the fly , he can fix and make it stronger he shows us just why Tony is the one and only Iron Man.

Its not about the hammer that makes Thor whom he is , its not the powers it is the soul , the spirit guiding him through his thought process and the heart that pumps the blood and if the writers cannot see that.

Then they do not need me to tell them any more they are simply stunned by the need for green.

The lack of imagination staggers me. Why they think I want another unworthy story arc. Wow truly amazing how low they sink and how badly they put together story arcs.

@arthurkerr: We could always get an interesting character out of it I guess. I mean Bucky got a lot of attention after he became Captain America. Maybe they hope the same tactic will help give Falcon some more exposure and a bigger role in the universe, even after he inevitably loses the mantle. They did it with Ms. Marvel too, and that turned out well. I'm sure at the end of the day it's really a way to cash in on the popularity of the Thor franchise by giving us a new, different "Thor" and still having the old one around, like they did with Spider-Man and Agent Venom, or for the X-Men with Schism, but maybe we can have fun with it while it's happening. Aaron is a competent writer. Maybe the new Thor will have some fun adventures.

I will pass on this story line. I prefer a Thor central story with side characters to help him on quest and his life. Not Thor is the side characters.

can i just say that as a woman even i find this story to be nonsense. i get promoting a more female friendly environment for women but giving another heros power and even his name to a woman just to promote gender diversity is just piss poor writing. theres a lot of great new stuff going on at marvel these days, and i cannot wait to see how much of it unfolds......but i think i will pass on this title until they give thor his name and hammer back.

@keliac: This whisper was one of the most ridiculous things that i ever read in Marvel comics!

Thor isn't a mantle like other comic book characters (Captain America, Spider-Man, Iron Man), it's the character name that wasn't even created by Marvel.

I love if in the future, Angela could Kill this parasite character, with no identity or personality.

I agree horrible , I am thinking it is the enchantress but that would be kind of cool. Only because I like her lol....I would still say no because even she has a name and would never pretend to be Thor God of Thunder and manly women..... Sheman SheThor Thorshe or what ever..... I could never see somebody take the life of somebody else and not be considered a parasite at the very least.

I could never see anybody else be Iron Man because he is more then the armor he is so much more.... The same really for Captain America he to is about wisdem and age and leadersthip and a walk through the past in a time of war battle scars that go deep and the life of souls that have touched his life and are gone. Even the Hulk has so many sides to him that he is just complex. Super smart changes to fit the problem a walk in the park of never the same person and changes to fit the story. A great Writer can do so much with these guys and I wonder when comics will speak to the soul that is the adult in us all. To take the hand of the lovers and the fighters and the poets and declare that hope exist in the spirit of a great story.

Create me a great story and lets sit back and watch it unfold.

To many people want to make simple stories and say it is a comic after all not a graphic book not a tale that can stand alone but a story that has to fit into a larger universe.

Maybe that is our problem.

We need to start making stories that simply wow the readers , blow the minds of the watchers and make us hold our breaths in hope of something good on the next page.

Stop the PC crap and just create worlds so good you want to get lost every month in the story book of what if Thor walked among the land of the mortals and Iron Man flew and the Hulk really did smash.

What if we embraced the dream and made it come to life on the big screen because the idea was simply that amazing.

What if we never forgot how to fly.

Life is to short to forget about the basics.

To short indeed.

I think that Thor became unworthy because Nick Fury told him that he had a sister named Aldrif (Angela as we know her) and she is Odin's truly first born and not Thor himself. She was meant to receive mjolnir and not him. Anyway, my best guess:)

Well The hammer was made for Thor I hate when they change things and cheapen the character it makes you never want to read a single book again because if they do it once. Where will they strike next?

I Bet he said: "Marvel's '52' is coming, run!"

fury said "your always written horribly aand the movie version of u is more popular"

THE AVENGERS 2: HEROES WITH NO POWERS

Thorgirl

@bloodblunts: you're, not your.

The truth is nothing made Thor unworthy. Marvel just needed their most resent event 'Original Sin' to have some sort of consequence and at the same time they get to show they think women can be heroes just as great as Thor. We all know this will not be permanent but I do think the longer they can keep the identity of this new Thor a secret the longer it will last.

I think we found our whisper.

@lazaroesparza46: that can't be. Thor is still his first born as I understood that odin sired him before he had any children with FRIGGA. He's not Zeus and not prone to cheating. Therefore I believe it was when he was younger and maybe not even married to FRIGGA yet. If anything Angela takes Balders place. Not Thor's. She's Balders full sister. Only half to Thor. And FRIGGA isn't anybody compared to Gaea.

That's Aldrif's Hammer???

What if the first word isn't thor, but you're, and it reads "you're aldrif's killer"?

@t_aesir: EXACTLY! Possessing the power is one thing. BEING is another. The hammer really just offers duplicate Thor powers. It has throughout its entire history. So Thor should still have ALL his strength. All with his weather manipulation which is vast just not very controllable without the FOCUSING hammer. The fact that this isnt taken as fact in this "story" shows that Aaron really has descended from being an initially great Thor writer into a gimmick hack writer.

I don't know if anyone noticed this in the Avengers title page they refer to him as "ODINSON" now. If any Avenger refers to him by that moniker it'll be proof that Marvel is completely lost now. No Avenger would refer to him by that since they know him by his real name. Odinson would be a completely alien name for them to refer to him by. We'll see......

In other news...I'm dropping Avengers as well. Can't stand seeing Thor the way he looks. Terrible. Homeless looking. Being carried or pulled????! Are you kidding me? What is he even doing on the Avengers anymore? Aaron is trying to get Hickman to keep Thor seeming relevant. "See he's still an Avenger! He's still a badass!" Bite me Aaron!

I know exactly what he whispered.

"Batman's out to get you"

@the_impersonator said:

its obvious angela is your sister

PIS...

@furyoffrog: odd for me I do not like avengers without Thor.

I think Thor is dreaming and he said your not in Asgard anymore Totto... so this female Lafemthor will say click your ruby boots together and say.......I shat this is what I get for pissing off galactus. A battle so epic he must be laughing for the first time ever.

Can galactus tell a joke? Hmmmmm

Is there an answer to this yet

@nimamindtricks: They plan on milking this cow for a very long time. So do not hold your breath.

@stmichalofwilson: lmao

What did Fury whisper?......"Disney owns Marvel"

What you failed to see all over the universe was. She Hulk blushed and Hawk Eye lost his bow. ... Steve Rogers forgot kungfu The Hulk was heard to solve Pie and a small child in a sub atomic universe gained the powers of the Beyonder and made himself roller of that tiny universe ...that is till Galactic got hungry and ate it all after a late night munch spree. The true effects of this whisper have yet to be brought to light but rumors are about that Thor will play in the next Dragon Ball X movie and learn how to use Ki.... He heard this in a whisper......

Guess Thor cannot get hammered any longer. Cold turkey for sure.

Tbh, that would explain the meme face...

That would be '49' instead of '52". Who else thinks DC has lost "it", somewhere along the line and now is simply running the script on autopilot?

Oh so sad I did not see it before.

He said.

Thor.....

Wake up Thor. ....

The matrix has you....

Follow the white rabbit.

@mfleury75: I love the Superman/Wonder Women book. Picked up a subscription to it . May look into more if it stays good.

I see 2 possible things:

You are not the real Thor- which can easily remove the arm and power/ life-force in the hammer inconsistencies when the original returns.

That is not the real Mjolnir- which is why it has sentience and again, explains the life-force/ Odin-force inconsistencies. They are trying to demand things from a hammer they have no part in creating so they are unworthy of "that" hammer but have yet to actually look for the real one. Maybe the original got trapped in a time ripple and someone was used or chose to create.become the new one...

It would have to be something important enough for Nick Fury to have paid attention to, so it would have to be an event or action that he had knowledge of. I am not sure why we cannot know it already as Secret War will make most of it moot (or the Thor issue will see the return of the real Thor...(the one is red sharing his power with all the others...?).

All the secrets in the book are getting tired.

@the_impersonator said:

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

it all makes sense now.

ALL IT TOOK WAS A WHISPER.

BHOR

ARDBRIRMO

KADSU.

Those are the letters i see, it looks more like a spell than a phrase. Thor maybe didn't undertand what Nickyboy had said in that moment, and say.

WHAT...?

WHAT DIDST THOU SAY

It could be said that what Nick do was a spell, since Odin. Isn't worthy of the Hammer either.

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I think when Thor was brainwashed he killed someone.

@antimutant001: Thor has killed before will kill again. That will not effect his being worthy.