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Off My Mind: Will Wolverine Lead a Deadlier Version of the X-Men?

We've seen what he can do while leading X-Force. What will his X-Men team be like?

Despite his years as a member of the X-Men, Wolverine has often been portrayed as the ultimate loner. He would be quick to question authority and had no problem taking matters into his own hands in a deadly manner. Yet, he's been an active team member since Professor X recruited him. Recently not only did he expand his team activities by joining the New Avengers, he also lead the covert X-Men black ops team, X-Force.

Wolverine has two modes to his personality. He can either be a bloodthirsty killer when in berserker mode or a caring father-like figure to young and impressionable mutants. It's this combination that makes him a good candidate for leading a team, especially these days when mutants are constantly being hunted.

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From the results of Schism, Wolverine will no longer be wiling to follow Cyclops' lead. The two have butted heads from day one, usually over the affection of Jean Grey, but it was evident Logan respected Scott as a leader. That was the only reason he would follow him so willingly. With the split in the X-Men, Wolverine will be taking his own team of X-Men back to Westchester. What will be the goal of the team. What are the chances this team will become as deadly as his X-Force team?

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Years ago (in Uncanny X-Men #220), Wolverine made it clear he didn't want to lead a team. In a conversation with a depowered Storm, he stated that it wasn't what he wanted. Storm practically had to force him to even consider it. Leading a team like X-Force suited his strengths.

Wolverine does know a thing or two about stealth and killing. Even though he has taken young mutants like Kitty Pryde, Jubilee, Armor and, to some extent, X-23 under his wing, what will he do with a team of X-Men.

His team roster is a little unusual. From the Regenesis teaser we've seen Kid Omega will be part of it. In Schism #1, Wolverine was ready to do away with the problematic mutant. It's hard to say what Iceman's stance will be on Wolverine's team. Bobby has always been a jokester but we haven't seen too much of him lately. Beast is also an odd addition. Assuming this is the regular Beast (and not Dark Beast), Hank left the X-Men after discovering Cyclops sanctioned X-Force, a team of killer X-Men. Would he be willing to take orders from Wolverine after that? Kitty Pryde is a good fit due to her past with Wolverine. Toad is another odd choice. Wolverine can't stand him. Then again, Toad has always been one willing to please his master. This could be his chance to try to do some good by way of following Wolverine's orders. Idie seems to be the cause of the Schism. She used her powers to kill some members of the Hellfire Club's mercenaries in trying to prevent a bomb from killing innocents. Wolverine has been seen making small advances on taking her under his wing. Now he will get the chance to ensure she can deal with becoming a killer.

To kill or not to kill?

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Wolverine is a killer. There's no question about that. Regardless, he would support the idea that the X-Men killing is unacceptable. With X-Force, it was another story. All the members had a dark past and were already walking down the road to Hell. Iceman and Beast will not kill. Kitty Pryde may have been trained to be as deadly as a ninja, but she's not the killing type unless pushed to her limits. After arguing with Scott over allowing Idie to kill, you would think he would try to protect her. Then again, he was pissed that Scott put X-23 on X-Force but didn't really do anything to stop her until the team seemingly disbanded at the end of Second Coming.

If Wolverine is leading this group of X-Men, is his time with X-Force finished? From the teaser, they've also lost Angel. Psylocke is going to be busy being on two X-Men teams so is it possible Wolverine can be on two X-teams as well. But what about his numerous solo adventures and time with the New Avengers?

Regardless of who is on his X-Men team, they should not kill. That's not the way of the X-Men. If he felt killing is an option in some situations, there's no point in calling them X-Men. He could just make them an extended part of X-Force. On their first outing, they will be dealing with the Hellfire Club. There's also mention of a classic villain coming their way. We'll have to wait and see how Wolverine handles leading his new team.

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How Wolverine handles leadership of an X-Men team will be interesting to see. Would he be able to lead and protect his team at all costs without resorting to killing? As skilled of a fighter he is, it shouldn't be a problem...in theory. Wolverine isn't exactly known for his patience or restraint. If he wants to try to protect Idie and prevent her from killing again, he's going to have to set a good example and keep Toad and Kid Omega in line.

The X-Men shouldn't kill. If Wolverine is committing himself to upholding everything Xavier set out to accomplish with the team, he is going to have to work to ensure Toad can reform, Kid Omega can accept co-existing with humans and Idie has the chance to regain her innocence. With Kitty, Beast and Iceman at his side, maybe it won't be so hard to accomplish.

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I have a feeling hes going to be gone on his own missions every couple comics :P

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@AgeofHurricane said:
@Edgeworth_11: K.


Good.
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@Edgeworth_11: K.
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@AgeofHurricane said:

@Edgeworth_11: LOL ? give me proof that he actually let her win, otherwise your just being a sad low-life troll ^.^


You are one of those Storm fan boys who have nothing else better to do. Get a life troll. 
 
It was a plot device. You know what that is, right?
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@Edgeworth_11: LOL ? give me proof that he actually let her win, otherwise your just being a sad low-life troll ^.^
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@AgeofHurricane said:
@Edgeworth_11 said:

@mettlekm said:

Storm, without powers but with a mohawk, actually beat up Scott, who had powers (although I recall he just came out of semi-retirement) . Her winning allowed her to become leader of the X-men.

He let her win. 
 
 

Was that meant to be a joke ?

No, the only joke I see is you. 
 
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@Edgeworth_11 said:

@mettlekm said:

Storm, without powers but with a mohawk, actually beat up Scott, who had powers (although I recall he just came out of semi-retirement) . Her winning allowed her to become leader of the X-men.

He let her win. 
 
 

Was that meant to be a joke ?
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Honestly No, Marvel is trying to make Wolverine accessible to the PC Children of the aughties and the only way they can do this by twisting his entire character by making him go back on everything he's stood for, they're going to shift his personality into Cyclops who new fans might find boring and vice-versa with Cyclops who is being looked down on for it even though others who have turned darker or edgier are applauded for it. So in a nutshell he's going lead the same way Scotts been leading the team just the same as Emma will.
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The world in which they live need an X-Force. I agree with it's existence. It's naive I believe not to have one. A team to do what others would not. Eliminate dangerous threats that require a fatal solution for the greater good. Wolverine's the man for the job. As long as it's proven that killing is the only alternative that remains. His character has shown a good nose for those sorts of things.

The X-Men, however, are a symbol standing for unity between human and mutant kind. For nonviolence and peaceful coexistence. They stand to demonstrate what power used responsibly can do to benefit all mankind.

Still I say, Wolverine's 'potentially' the man for the job. If written correctly (and I'll be the first to admit this has not always been the case) Wolverine has been a staunch moral compass for the team. He's robbed them of excuses; whether chastising them for half measures (for fear of getting their hands dirty), or Wolverine has sullied his own hands in saveguarding their integrity ... He's been there and done that and would avoid seeing those he values fall to the same traps he himself has had to crawl his way out of.

His experience means he knows the consequences and the pitfalls and how to navigate them I believe. He will prove a no nonesense leader with great instincts as to what is right, and what is wrong. Because he knows both sides of that coin intimately.

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I think we all need to make two sets of shirts saying "Cyclops was right" and "Wolverine was right".

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@Emerald_General_Jai: HERE HERE!!! U just hit the nail in a nutshell......... Or summin I forget wha the sayin rilly is.. lol

But realtalk.. theyve been tryna find a way to turn Slim into the "unpopular leader" for a while now.. When the good thing about Cykes personality is hes OKAY with bein unpopular he doesnt CARE about bein "cool & edgy"coz he'll do what it takes to safeguard the Mutant race,

The whole beauty of his character was slowly watchin this stiff borin but steadfast guy I could barely stand evolve into The EPIC Batmaneque "Mutant Steve Rogers" Xavier/Magneto guy he deserved to be.

Now instead of capitalisin on that &maintaining.. Theyve tried their UTMOST BEST to throw it all away on a quick buck by pandering to the Loganites... &thats just sad

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We all know that the reboot in the DC universe will attract new fans might even make die hard fans leave. I believe that rebooting the Marvel Universe would be a big mistake

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@Emerald_General_Jai: 
 
Spoken like a true prodigy.
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Actually, a good leader would delegate a person to do action and walk a way. Meaning, that you in trust that person to do the right thing. Often a person who is more season then another person, then the seasoned person would see that the newb know the numbers. A counter ops person should see this and pair teams together. When two people can't work together, then pull them off the team and kick them out. Eight ball them out of the team.

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if he can't kill than whats the point of wolverine in the first place? I dont thing he should be in the xmen anymore but be freelance and get some xmen to come with him as a different team.

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Ugh.. I just hope Wolverine doesn't look like he does in that picture.. he looks 'pudgy', not 'human-muscle'.

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Honestly this is flawed at it's very core. The Mutants are 2 small to survive now splintered, they should have waited and built of their ranks. An on top of that...this reads as lip-service. Logan is full of shit, he has done far worse than Scott and fa less reasons. So yeah Marvel, let the mass-murdering, Black-Ops Ninja-Samurai take the Moral High ground...while the man whose been as Super-hero Team Leader his entire life gets painted the bad-guy. When they got it...they have it. An when marvel f@#$@$ up, they do it big.

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No. Deadly and Wolverine doesn't mix anymore.

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I don't believe so at all, unless it ends up somehow unintentional.
Jason Aaron has gone out of his way to make mention of the fact that what's in store for this
comes directly from the end result of the Wolverine ongoing Wolverine Goes To Hell/Wolverine's Revenge story arc
written by him. I refuse to even put the results of that in a spoiler, but if you've read it, and factor in Wolverines feelings
about being an Avenger versus working for Cyclops, it's really obvious Wolverine is ditching the whole revenge and violence
are the answer motto and moving into being both a full-time real superhero and someone young mutant heroes can look up
to (and I stress the Wolverines Revenge part of this again).

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I think it's funny to pose a question like this as if Wolverine is a real person. Every writer who takes on the character has a slightly different interrpritation of the individual the same as they have for just about every character out there. So whose to say that what happens next is how Wolverine would actually act in the situation or not.

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@mettlekm said:

Storm, without powers but with a mohawk, actually beat up Scott, who had powers (although I recall he just came out of semi-retirement) . Her winning allowed her to become leader of the X-men.


He let her win.
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Storm, without powers but with a mohawk, actually beat up Scott, who had powers (although I recall he just came out of semi-retirement) . Her winning allowed her to become leader of the X-men.

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I think it's funny how everyone saids that Scott gave Idie the order to kill when really all he did was tell her to "do what she feels."

But as I've stated before I call shenanigans on both the Schism storyline and the formation of another X-Team as a whole.

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didn't they have a wolverine and the xmen tv show a few years ago. I think the comic series may follow that pattern without all the future timeline stuff. Wolverine might be a bad leader because he likes to go off on his own too much, which is why he doesn't like being in charge. The leader has to be overall responsible for others at all times. Wolverine can't oversee things when gallivanting off to handle private affairs. A bonus is that if enemies start recurring i'm sure wolverine will try to put a stop to that.

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@ transgojobot   
  

 

So, imagine my surprise, when I read 'Schism' and learn that there's this growing rift/resentment between Wolverine and Cyclops. Maybe I missed something, but it felt like it came completely out of nowhere; especially, since I was under the assumption that the two were on the same page. 
 

In the classic sense, there has always been moments when Wolverine challenged Cyclop's leadership, Jean not even a factor.  However, I always felt those scenes were written as token or more to amplify his introduction to the Xmen as a rebel, loner arrogant upstart, and ornery bastard against the less charismatic and completely cliche characterization of Scott Summers role as leader of the group.  Unfortune that he would spend most of his character's lifetime written that way. 
 
Within the last almost ten years, Cyclops has been reimagined to be a more flawed and forceful figure in the X-books.  Being played up as a Batman like strategist which was never a focus with him before.  Prior to the Messiah storyline, he was getting some well earned praised as a leader.  As Messiah and Second Coming unfolded, you see the frissures of his leadership as Storm, Beast, Karma, etc begin to question his objectives and costs.   
 
Logan got pissed for bit over the loss of Kurt, but as a soldier, I suppose, he understood and still provided his loyalty.  Cyke's change in temperment and idealistic methods may have even played into Logan's more suppressed to desire to cut loose.  This time before Schism truly was a 'lovefest' and something that could be described as the two being at their agreeable with each other. 
 
However, I believe seeds were being planted with Wolverine's eventual discord.  Yes, X-23 was a factor, so was his growing relationship with the younger mutants that were under his watch.  If it wasn't evident how much this 'war' took its toll on the younger generation of mutants, you were also beginning to see the impact of them isolating themselves on the island.  Attitudes about who they are and why they should fear themselves started to emerge.  There is a scene with Logan and Idie, where Idie comments that she is monster to be feared, that is why they are where they are right now.   This stunned Logan because you can see on his face that he thought all their efforts was doing something positive for these kids. 
 
That scene is a very significant plot point, imo.  Its probably the first time Logan truly thought about Chuck's message in a way that had nothing to do with improving himself and being a "better man".   He can now see it as something bigger than himself.
 
To me, that was your loaded gun and Idie's breakdown a cocking back of the pin.  I'm interested to see what the final pull of the trigger is in the upcoming battle royale.  I don't think either character is meant to be completely in the right.  There's a lot of interpretable gray areas when you consider the threats they're up against verses the longer strategic aim of trying to build a future and intergrate a society. 
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@_transgojobot_: I feel you, but did you see the four panel teaser showing Scott and Ororo's convo ? she knows what he wants and apparently didn't want to give it to him..................yet she's still with the X-Men -_-
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is he still in X-Force and they just didn't show him in he pic because he was on the (fold out) pic

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@TheHT said:

Man, I really wanna get into this Cyclops vs Wolverine for X-Men leadership thing but it seems like it's been a looooooong time brewing. What's a good (and fairly recent if possible) jumping in point?

It's interesting that you brought this up because it's been bugging the heck outta me since Schism started.

IIRC, at the conclusion of 'Second Coming', Wolverine was completely and totally on board the Leader!Cyclops Love Train. Prior to that, Wolverine only questioned Cyke's leadership over his handling of X-23's involvement with X-Force. Other than that, I can't think of another major example where Logan and Cyke butted heads. Can anyone?

So, imagine my surprise, when I read 'Schism' and learn that there's this growing rift/resentment between Wolverine and Cyclops. Maybe I missed something, but it felt like it came completely out of nowhere; especially, since I was under the assumption that the two were on the same page.

@jhazzroucher @TheOlympian @Eyz @AgeofHurricane @ImperiousRix:

Whatever happened to that badass, 'take-no-crap-from-anyone' Ororo Munroe? Why don't writers seem to give a flying fig about her or have any idea WHAT to do with her? It's annoying to see a fantastic character being wasted the way she is. If anyone should be leading the Anti-Cyke Brigade, it should be Storm!

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God, am I starting to dislike this chump... 
 
I loved what Wolverine used to be, a killer, a loner, a possible mentor. Leading X-force was one thing, but this is just kinda pushing it.
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@Doctor!!!!!: 
 

LOL, based on what fact? You are aware that Cyclops saved and united the mutant race. That to me is a pretty high mark to surpass.
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To everyone arguing how its hypocritical for Wolverine to be against killing AND leading X-Force: you're missing the point. 
 
Logan isn't pissed at Scott because he created his own little death force; the man understands lethal neccessity.  It's that Scott's cold logic about what needed be done was making killers out of young kids or others who are just NOT suited to take a life.    
 
This is honestly were Cyke f***ed up.  First with having X-23 do his dirty work, then with Idie.  In fact, you are deliberately made to see the pyschological fallout with Idie as the writer shows her with manifestations of PTSD.   The whole cannon fodder aspect of teams like New Mutants and the loss of Nightcrawler may be a factor too.  However, the whole point of Wolverine leading X-Force is that he believes you should give the killing to the killers.  To put the right folks on the right bus, as Logan has come to see this threshhold as something one has to be willing to do, not forced to do or brought into it misguidedly. 
 
I mean look at the current X-Force roster for crying out loud--you're talking individuals who already come to this cause with extreme prejudice, either personal in grudge or by their own nature.  And if there is any character who knows about accepting or fighting one's nature, it's Logan.  Its been a consistant theme of his.  
 
His duality has been effectively explored from both points of views, but now I think we are going to see a third  characterization arise from this mess.  One that still believes in Charlie's dream, that protects human life, but accepts his role in the less noble side of business.  Its neither Chuck or Magneto in the larger paradigm, but it allows Cyclops and other X-teams to get back to the roots of their former purpose.
 
 
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@Steps: Accountability ha. I like Idie as a murderer, a darker female x-men is due I reckon.

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Sorry i havent really kept upto date. but who are Wolverine and Scott talking about in Schism. Is it x-23? Or some other she?

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WACK!!!!

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Logan has always been the hired gun in the marvel universe. the Avengers got him because he was the hulk of the group: he could kill when necessary. but that never stopped him from finding another way instead of straight killing him. what he is doing with these guys hopefully is preventing another accident like in schism.

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either way nobody can kill him

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I've always seen Wolverine hold the X-Men to a higher standard than he holds for himself. It's why such a loner is always so loyal to the cause - because through the X-Men Wolverine makes himself a better man. He's not afraid to use violence when he feels it's necessary - but putting kids in a situation where they have to kill? Wolverine, for example, never wanted X-23 on his X-Force team, specifically because he thought she hadn't yet been able to make a choice wether to be a killer or not.

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I'm still not quite buying the whole "schism" thing...and not too sure how it is all going to pan out. As others have already mentioned, seems hypocritical of Wolverine to be leading X-Force a secret "wet ops" as well as X-men, and the division between Cyclops, and his own hypocritical stance, I.E. santioning X-Force and then not...And likewise, it puts Beast in a weird position...(fairly confident it's Earth 616 Beast) considering why he left X-men...and Toad? Really, I think that is more of Aaron's ego, taking a character no one likes, and trying to re-imagine him and make him popular...there are way too many under-used X-men (Whatever has happened to the recruits form the New X-men?) I don't mind growth from Wolverines character, from "mindless beast" to leader - the bigger issue I have with his characterizations is that in one comic book he want's to kill Scarlet Witch or Kid Omega, and in another he doesn't...I like the division, but feel like Marvel is pandering to Wolverines popularity. (I've been extremely disappointed that Professor X has all of disappeared from his X-men...)

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I think Wolverine was a dealier leader for X-force because it was a different type of team but i think for his new team he will be a little less grusome. I think he will be a good leader for the new X-men. I am excited to see his team and read his series.

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I like the shake up as far as the teams go some of them are a bit weird. Especially Wolverine's team. So if Beast who walked away because of killing is on Wolverine's team now then Wolverine's team is most likely going to be the sanctimonious type that hates the even the idea of killing. In other words marvel is going to make the X-Men's killer look like more of a hero than he should. I don't see how Wolverine can stay true to his character and be a killer with Beast, Iceman, and Kitty on his team honestly.

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I say don't change notin

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Kill 'em all.

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love this! It helps show there is more than one way to look at a "Killer". I think Jason Todd summed this one up well. When being accused of murdering he said he has killed but he's no murderer. To Murder is to take an innocent life, to kill is to take life, whatever side of the karma fence that person sits on. When Bin Laden was shot recently many people didn't see that as murder but more as a killing of an evil man. When criminals are given the death sentence it is never called murder. Ultimately I think it depends on how you feel about crime and punishment in the modern world. Just because Wolverine doesn't kill humanely does not automatically put him in the same caergory as a villain.

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If another X-Title starts to kill then X-Force loses some of it's hook. Don't get me wrong the stories can be very different in X-Force and the characters are very different but an obvious hook to the book is that they're a covert killing team. If Wolverine leads X-Men he's gonna be pulling them away from the way Scott leads. I think for a couple of them (Toad and Kid Omega) it's gonna be about redemption and Wolverine keeping an eye on them. Then he has members like Beast, Bobby and Kitty to help keep him on the "light side" and give the team people who are experienced and won't put them in the same situations Scott did while Wolverine goes and handles his X-Force work. Wolverine's own redemption is gonna help drive this book I think as he'll see what he does for the likes of Idie as helping balance the work he does qwith X-Force. For that he's gonna need people he can trust and people he sees as good hearted or innocent. With Kitty, Beast and Iceman all on side it's gonna be a lot of the "good" members trying to show the likes of Kid Omega and Toad the light and help Idie get back on the path of innocense and give her the chance to make her own decisions without her childhood being compromised by Scott's leadership.

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Nah not with that team, I'll be shocked if it is but Wolverine leading a band of killers would not include that lot :p

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Dude....missing question marks. A bunch of them. Sorry.

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Will "Wolverine and the X-men" be a deadlier X-men? Perhaps. Kitty, Beast, and Bobby make me think no - but I have to wonder about Toad and pissypants... I suspect they might go 'over the line' and force conflict in the group. IE, character development.

Wolverine wants to keep X-Force secret, which is why Betsy can play for both sides. He's knows that mutants killing humans would be a PR nightmare - so he doesn't want the X-men doing any of it. And Toad and "Omega Kid" aren't skilled enough to be on X-Force.

Again, I think the question is how many of Storm/Jubilee's team of playing for Wolverine. I get the impression that's gonna be where the action is... that is, if Marvel actually has the title feature the characters on the cover, and not just some variation of Astonishing's cast.

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A better question is "When will Marvel give every character Wolverine-claws, thus making every character Wolverine?"