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Off My Mind: Why 'Man of Steel' Wasn't a Superman Movie

There was a lot to love in the movie but sadly it fell short in big ways. Note: there will be spoilers.

Man of Steel hit theaters this past weekend like Superman punching through a brick wall. It was a spectacular movie with great visuals and some truly touching scenes. Yet the movie didn't seem to be the Superman movie some wanted.

Let's be up front and clear on this. This is strictly my opinion. You've already seen Gregg's Comic Vine review for the movie. We even debated some of the things we did and didn't like over email. We are all entitled to different opinions. I am not knocking the creative process of this movie. It just didn't really feel like a "Superman movie."

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Let's also note there will be spoilers for the movie.

Who is Superman supposed to be? He is a hero we can all look up to. Some of those that complain about him refer to him as the "Big Blue Boy Scout." He's the hero that can do no wrong. And as mentioned in this movie and comics, he's supposed to be a symbol of HOPE.

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In a day where many young kids aren't too familiar with Superman (there isn't an ongoing show and the title of the movie and trailers make no mention of his name). This could have been a huge leap in connecting with new fans of all ages. Perhaps it still can and will. The problem is a huge part of who Superman is supposed to be was altered in big ways.

The movie did have some great moments. We got to see the struggle of young Clark trying to fit in and showing restraint against the bullies of the world. Kevin Costner did a superb job as Pa Kent, doing everything he could to protect his "son." There were many scenes filled with emotion and it looked like we were getting the Superman movie we've been waiting for these past several years.

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Even thought this was nearly two and a half hours, there were parts that felt rushed. Lois Lane managed to easily uncover Clark's trail that must have covered years of his life. Yes, she is one of the greatest reporters around but, in the movie, it felt like she had no difficulty in tracking down this mysterious super-man to the Kent Farm. Clark may have grown up on a farm but he did manage to wiggle his way as part of the crew in a top secret government research center. The passing of time also flew by when Clark finally discovered who he was and quickly put on the suit. But these are things I could easily overlook.

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Once we see Superman in costume, he seemed to not possess that need to put all others above himself. Yes, I know he makes a sacrifice at the end, we'll get to that in a moment. Whether it was Pa's words of wisdom in putting himself first, Clark seemed to struggle back and forth with the notion. He did give himself up to Zod in order to save the entire planet. Unfortunately when the attack against his mother occurred, he made no effort to try to remove the fight to a safer location. Downtown Smallville had to fend for themselves. He did manage to get Zod away from the farm but also left the other Kryptonians there with Ma.

Superman made no effort to try to protect the innocent townspeople of Smallville. During the big showdown in Metropolis, the same could be said but on a massively larger scale. Did most residents in Metropolis manage to evacuate before the buildings started to topple? Again, Superman made no effort to try to move the fight elsewhere. Granted, up against others with the same level of power, it wouldn't be the easiest thing. Even in the aftermath when it appeared Zod was defeated, Superman just stood there while thousands were likely trapped under rubble. "Hey Lois, how you doing?"

Again, even this could be overlooked. He was still a "new" hero. He may not have been as heroic as we expect Superman to be but he did push himself as far as he could. He did overall save the day. The fact that many innocents were harmed probably was meant to give the movie a bigger feel. It made the danger more severe.

Then there was that final scene with Zod. Why didn't the movie simply end with Zod pouting in the ravaged destruction of Metropolis? Instead, Superman does the one thing he's not supposed to do. He kills Zod.

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You could call this heroic. He gave up his personal moral (that we assume he had) and ended one life in order to save others. He showed an extreme level of remorse and you could utterly feel his pain. The scene was simply completely unnecessary. I'm not a prude. I'm not old fashioned. I just don't see why we have to have a movie, one that introduces Superman to a new crowd, where the hero has no choice but to kill.

Isn't Superman supposed to be better than us?

Why is Hollywood determined to have the villains die at the end? Norman Osborn in Spider-Man, Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2, Two-Face, Ra's al Ghul, etc in the recent Batman movies. I understand this was a PG-13 movie but Superman doesn't kill in the comics. Lois also doesn't say "dick" and so on. Is killing and profanity the only way to appeal to the average movie-goer?

I am aware that Superman has killed before. He did kill Zod before, a Zod from a "pocket dimension" (in SUPERMAN #22 in 1988). He was so filled with remorse and questioned his place. This lead to Superman exiling himself into space.

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Superman shouldn't have to kill. In the scene in question in the movie, maybe he didn't have another way. That's debatable. Perhaps it would take careful scrutiny and a repeated viewing. Could he have blocked the heat vision with his hand? Could Superman have found the strength to overpower Zod, just as he managed to overpower that gravity machine? Maybe Superman was just really tired, right?

I wouldn't go so far as to say it was a horrible movie. I did enjoy moments of it. Am I too close to the character since a Spanish Superman/Flash comic was the first comic I ever saw or because I used to have a Superman MEGO that I played with until his leg fell off or because I have a tattoo with Kryptonian writing? There should always be another solution. And the filmmakers could have come up with another angle/ending.

Man of Steel may have been a good movie. It just wasn't the Superman movie I was hoping for.

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@muyjingo said:

@k4tzm4n: No need to put tired in quotes...

They made a point in the movie to show the Kryptonian atmosphere made Superman as weak as a human.As long as Clark could incapacitate Zod (which I don't think is implausible) then he could work with humans to replicate the Kryptonian atmosphere and imprison Zod.

Maye you will say that that would take too long. Which is fair, although that's where hologram Jor El could come in. It could have been written in a believable way.

Or, a second alternative would perhaps be flying him or sending him to a planet under the influence of a different sun, so he would lose his powers. Stranding him on a planet under such a sun ala Khan.

Again, there are/were options. If anyone asserts they are not, they lack imagination.

No they didn't. The shock of the Kryptonian atmosphere (which he had never experienced outside of the first few days of his life) knocked him out but he was literally fine right after. They used some kind of Kryptonian tech to neutralize his powers. This tech is never elaborated upon but once Jor-El takes control of the ship, Superman is just fine even with Kryptonian air and bursts out of his restraints. Earth atmosphere provides more nourishment while Kryptonian air is vapid. Your understanding of the movie details needs adjusting.

Jor-El hologram? You mean the one that Zod killed?

Flying Zod to this planet that will sap powers and Superman somehow doesn't lose his powers himself?

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@edge007 said:

@k4tzm4n: Your right, this is a movie where there are countless plot devices at his disposal. The writer just has to be smart enough and know the character well enough to write it that way. It could've just as easily been written that there was another way other than what was depicted. It was simply written that way because of the writer's agenda to make him more like "us" and give the audience that "!$^& YEAH!," moment when they hear a neck snap, which (again) flies in the face of everything the character is supposed to be.

No. The point was that there were NO plot devices at Superman's disposal. There was no alternative other than convincing Zod to give up or to kill him. Zod was determined to fight until one of them dies and a strong argument can be made that Zod was counting on Superman to kill him.

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@novi_homines: It was fun to watch. It had charm and to a certain degree abit more character in their....well characters. MoS was trying too hard to be gritty and dark their characters seemed lifeless so it was boring. The fight scenes didn't have the weight they needed. They were spectacular but I didn't care like I wanted to.

@ccraft: Yeah I know. I wondered why Superman was able to lift an entire island of half Kryptonite but then I thought...well he's freak'in Superman! LoL. The Christ references didn't bug me as much cuz they were less obvious but MoS had that über weird scene when Superman flew out backwards after he hologram/consciousness of Jor-El told him he could save everyone, stretched his arms out and put his feet together like he was on a cross. It was so odd and uncomfortable. LOL...what was Snyder thinking?

Not only the in your face christ pose (which capped it off), but a neighbor practically stated his actions were "an act of god", and when he went to a church, they filmed Superman's face side by side a picture of jesus himself. Lol, very subtle.

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@edge007 said:

@k4tzm4n: Your right, this is a movie where there are countless plot devices at his disposal. The writer just has to be smart enough and know the character well enough to write it that way. It could've just as easily been written that there was another way other than what was depicted. It was simply written that way because of the writer's agenda to make him more like "us" and give the audience that "!$^& YEAH!," moment when they hear a neck snap, which (again) flies in the face of everything the character is supposed to be.

There was another way written. Zod was originally sucked into the phantom zone with the rest of the kryptonians. They didn't like it so they wrote a new ending -- one which Nolan was "sold on." If someone thinking the neck snap is a "f*ck yeah" moment, then they're completely missing the emotional significance behind the scene and need to spend more time thinking about it. If you hate it, that's fine, I'm not going to convince you otherwise. But I think it helps give motivation for him becoming the man he's "supposed" to be.

@muyjingo:

1) Zod destroyed Jor-El.

2) Zod's ship is gone. Clark's ship is presumably destroyed or needs to undergo massive repairs (heat vision and a vicious crash landing).

3) Without Jor-El's aid, finding a way to replicate technology that is so far beyond our own isn't something that would happen swiftly and even with his aid, I imagine it would take some time. So, I ask you, where is Zod during this? Which brings us to number 4...

4) How does Clark incapacitate a man who basically stalemated him and matched him in power? A man who could keep fighting after they went into orbit and then came crashing back down to Earth?

5) When it comes to space travel, Clark has only reached one of our satellites. You really think Clark can knock him out and then drag him out of our solar system and to a planet with a sun that negates his powers? Isn't that just a death sentence as well? How does Clark know the sun won't disable his abilities too? How does Clark even know he can travel that far in this case?

There was no phantom drive. There was no immediate way to duplicate Krypton's atmosphere. Nothing on Earth can contain him. If you think those scenarios are legitimate, then that's fine, I can live with you thinking that. But I firmly believe Clark made the right and rational choice given the situation and everything we saw in the film. Not to be rude, but I have to say I won't be continuing this conversation from here because I don't see a point to it, especially when you say anyone who disagrees "lacks imagination." I disagree and it's not because I "lack imagination," it's because I think the ideas you've presented aren't probable based on the film's events and I have no interest in getting stuck in a loop.

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@muyjingo said:

@k4tzm4n: No need to put tired in quotes...

They made a point in the movie to show the Kryptonian atmosphere made Superman as weak as a human.As long as Clark could incapacitate Zod (which I don't think is implausible) then he could work with humans to replicate the Kryptonian atmosphere and imprison Zod.

Maye you will say that that would take too long. Which is fair, although that's where hologram Jor El could come in. It could have been written in a believable way.

Or, a second alternative would perhaps be flying him or sending him to a planet under the influence of a different sun, so he would lose his powers. Stranding him on a planet under such a sun ala Khan.

Again, there are/were options. If anyone asserts they are not, they lack imagination.

Clark barely knew he was, let alone anything about Krypton or how their technology functioned. How would he rebuild anything from scratch? The consciousness of Jor-El was eradicated by Zod and the command key was destroyed along with Clark's ship. There was no salvageable tech to be had after the Kryptonian ship was destroyed and everyone was sent back to the Phantom Zone.

As for the alternative of flying him off to another planet, that would weaken Clark as much as Zod. It'd basically be a suicide run mate.

It's not about lacking imagination, it's about not having any other choice and being pushed out your comfort zone. That's what Snyder and Goyer were trying to achieve with that ending.

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@edge007 said:

@k4tzm4n: Your right, this is a movie where there are countless plot devices at his disposal. The writer just has to be smart enough and know the character well enough to write it that way. It could've just as easily been written that there was another way other than what was depicted. It was simply written that way because of the writer's agenda to make him more like "us" and give the audience that "!$^& YEAH!," moment when they hear a neck snap, which (again) flies in the face of everything the character is supposed to be.

No. The point was that there were NO plot devices at Superman's disposal. There was no alternative other than convincing Zod to give up or to kill him. Zod was determined to fight until one of them dies and a strong argument can be made that Zod was counting on Superman to kill him.

If this Supes is so compliant with the needs of the villain, maybe he should just let Lex win in a sequel.

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Also, I don't understand how anyone can say that him killing Zod is motivation for not killing in the future. He has done it, and he saved lives. In my opinion, I could just as easily see this as him getting over the shock of killing for the first time in order to save people, and making it easier for him in the future to do what needs to be done. He's already pushed himself to killing, and if there's "no other option" in the future, I don't think he'll hesitate to kill again, to save people. Like Batman himself said in the recent Death of the Family on why he didn't kill joker, once you get that first kill, you can never go back. That may not be entirely true, but I think bruce has a very good point here.

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@edge007 said:

@azura_thena said:

@edge007 said:

@k4tzm4n: Your right, this is a movie where there are countless plot devices at his disposal. The writer just has to be smart enough and know the character well enough to write it that way. It could've just as easily been written that there was another way other than what was depicted. It was simply written that way because of the writer's agenda to make him more like "us" and give the audience that "!$^& YEAH!," moment when they hear a neck snap, which (again) flies in the face of everything the character is supposed to be.

No. The point was that there were NO plot devices at Superman's disposal. There was no alternative other than convincing Zod to give up or to kill him. Zod was determined to fight until one of them dies and a strong argument can be made that Zod was counting on Superman to kill him.

If this Supes is so compliant with the needs of the villain, maybe he should just let Lex win in a sequel.

If Lex wants Superman to kill him and leaves Superman with absolutely no alternative, perhaps you will get your wish.

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@muyjingo said:

@k4tzm4n: No need to put tired in quotes...

They made a point in the movie to show the Kryptonian atmosphere made Superman as weak as a human.As long as Clark could incapacitate Zod (which I don't think is implausible) then he could work with humans to replicate the Kryptonian atmosphere and imprison Zod.

Maye you will say that that would take too long. Which is fair, although that's where hologram Jor El could come in. It could have been written in a believable way.

Or, a second alternative would perhaps be flying him or sending him to a planet under the influence of a different sun, so he would lose his powers. Stranding him on a planet under such a sun ala Khan.

Again, there are/were options. If anyone asserts they are not, they lack imagination.

Clark barely knew he was, let alone anything about Krypton or how their technology functioned. How would he rebuild anything from scratch? The consciousness of Jor-El was eradicated by Zod and the command key was destroyed along with Clark's ship. There was no salvageable tech to be had after the Kryptonian ship was destroyed and everyone was sent back to the Phantom Zone.

As for the alternative of flying him off to another planet, that would weaken Clark as much as Zod. It'd basically be a suicide run mate.

It's not about lacking imagination, it's about not having any other choice and being pushed out your comfort zone. That's what Snyder and Goyer were trying to achieve with that ending.

I actually like that. Would've been much more heroic in my opinion. Much like how human thor, in Thor one, was going to sacrifice himself to the destroyer/ Loki, in order to keep everyone else safe.

Also, there was, in fact another ending. An alternative. It had Zod being sucked into the phantom zone with the others. But Goyer wanted a more shocking ending, and devised a scenario where superman killed. Like I said, it doesn't bother me like it does to most. But to say there was no other option, would be false. They had another option in place to stop zod and his madness. They simply chose to have superman kill zod. That's just a fact.

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@muyjingo said:

@k4tzm4n: No need to put tired in quotes...

They made a point in the movie to show the Kryptonian atmosphere made Superman as weak as a human.As long as Clark could incapacitate Zod (which I don't think is implausible) then he could work with humans to replicate the Kryptonian atmosphere and imprison Zod.

Maye you will say that that would take too long. Which is fair, although that's where hologram Jor El could come in. It could have been written in a believable way.

Or, a second alternative would perhaps be flying him or sending him to a planet under the influence of a different sun, so he would lose his powers. Stranding him on a planet under such a sun ala Khan.

Again, there are/were options. If anyone asserts they are not, they lack imagination.

Clark barely knew he was, let alone anything about Krypton or how their technology functioned. How would he rebuild anything from scratch? The consciousness of Jor-El was eradicated by Zod and the command key was destroyed along with Clark's ship. There was no salvageable tech to be had after the Kryptonian ship was destroyed and everyone was sent back to the Phantom Zone.

As for the alternative of flying him off to another planet, that would weaken Clark as much as Zod. It'd basically be a suicide run mate.

It's not about lacking imagination, it's about not having any other choice and being pushed out your comfort zone. That's what Snyder and Goyer were trying to achieve with that ending.

I actually like that. Would've been much more heroic in my opinion. Much like how human thor, in Thor one, was going to sacrifice himself to the destroyer/ Loki, in order to keep everyone else safe.

Also, there was, in fact another ending. An alternative. It had Zod being sucked into the phantom zone with the others. But Goyer wanted a more shocking ending, and devised a scenario where superman killed. Like I said, it doesn't bother me like it does to most. But to say there was no other option, would be false. They had another option in place to stop zod and his madness. They simply chose to have superman kill zod. That's just a fact.

Yeah, and if they chose the other ending, everyone would still be complaining because it would be "too boring, predictable and uneventful". I personally applaud them for choosing otherwise.

Out of character? Did you miss the point of this film? It's an origin story, not a Superman story. Clark isn't even called Superman once except by military personel for humorous reasons. This is the behind-the-scenes story for how Clark becomes the hero we all know and adopts his eventual moral compass that he comes to live by.

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I can't help but agree. This wasn't "a" Superman Movie, it's "the" Superman movie. I can't wait for the sequel!

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@deranged_midget: After that epic battle, I doubt any sane person would call the ending, "boring", or "uneventful".

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@deranged_midget: After that epic battle, I doubt any sane person would call the ending, "boring", or "uneventful".

You'd be surprised considering that Zod only had one brief interaction with Clark and I'd doubt people would be happy that they managed to zip away the Kryptonians just like that. It would most definitely be predictable and something that none of us would still be talking about to this deal. That one scene made this film memorable and will be talked about for years to come.

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@arinya said:

@novi_homines: It was fun to watch. It had charm and to a certain degree abit more character in their....well characters. MoS was trying too hard to be gritty and dark their characters seemed lifeless so it was boring. The fight scenes didn't have the weight they needed. They were spectacular but I didn't care like I wanted to.

@ccraft: Yeah I know. I wondered why Superman was able to lift an entire island of half Kryptonite but then I thought...well he's freak'in Superman! LoL. The Christ references didn't bug me as much cuz they were less obvious but MoS had that über weird scene when Superman flew out backwards after he hologram/consciousness of Jor-El told him he could save everyone, stretched his arms out and put his feet together like he was on a cross. It was so odd and uncomfortable. LOL...what was Snyder thinking?

Not only the in your face christ pose (which capped it off), but a neighbor practically stated his actions were "an act of god", and when he went to a church, they filmed Superman's face side by side a picture of jesus himself. Lol, very subtle.

@novi_homines: ugh stop...you're making me hate this movie all over again! lol!

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I did not like the christ thing though. I still enjoyed it anyway. Haters gonna hate.

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What are people Talking about!? This is Superman,this is the character we know and this is who he is supposed to be, Firstly,this is an Origin Story......where do people get that he was ok with killing or he was willing to kill because of inexperience.....Seriously concentrating on one detail everyone overlooks all the others. He was never willing to kill he was forced to do it,hence the pleading with zod and the heart shattering Remorse shown directly after.....and oh my god on and on about the collateral damage,if you watch the movie carefully superman never tackled or punched Zod through anything!! the one place supes tackled Zod in the final fight was through an abandoned construction site when zod started flying. other than that Zod was controlling the battle cuz as he stated,if you paid attention and heard him,he was a trained soldier....No care for the people? after the world engine started f'in up the city don't you think people would start evacuating? seriously people give fictional people no credit. and you can chalk up Superman purely concentrating on Zod to prevent more destruction rather than shield the apparently blind people incapable of looking up and running the hell inside or underground to inexperience. Also if apparently Superman didn't care about the dumb-a$$ bystanders, why would he go against everything he believes in and kill Zod just to protect these people that were gonna fry in front of his face.

In the flash backs which covered like 20 minutes of his adolescence,we saw pa kent telling him he needs to keep his "special" side of him secret till he got it figured out,we didn't really see pa giving him his moral foundation but how is that not implied?? why else would he,wherever he goes if people were in trouble,help them? even at his own risk,not only because he didn't save his father,but because of his upbringing and the fact that he is a good person and also because he can.

and some people say they changed the core of the character...How? there are definitely changes but how does it change superman? because these writers dared to put him in a position no other writer has ever done before in this way? and then thats bad writing because Superman is not written to overcome that situation as apparently he always has to. he's still better than us,why else would he drag it out that long?im sure when he had the flight advantage he cldv'e taken out zod more easily,if as some people are saying here that Superman is above us and that he wouldn't kill and that this superman is like us,that really doesn't make alot of sense. if this superman was really like us he wouldnt give zod breathing room.he would have gone all out and killed him. we say prevention is better than cure right? then why didn't this apparently oh so human superman just finish him off in the start? forget being the last of his race, Zod was a monster threatening the World.

i thought this movie really humanized Superman,but not to the extent some people think just because of one detail. And thats my Opinion on the topic, i'm out.

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@novi_homines said:

@deranged_midget: After that epic battle, I doubt any sane person would call the ending, "boring", or "uneventful".

You'd be surprised considering that Zod only had one brief interaction with Clark and I'd doubt people would be happy that they managed to zip away the Kryptonians just like that. It would most definitely be predictable and something that none of us would still be talking about to this deal. That one scene made this film memorable and will be talked about for years to come.

One brief interaction? They met up like 3-4 different times in the movie. Lol, and it was topped of with an epic battle. But I do agree that it was memorable, but "controversial" might be the better word. Sometimes controversy isn't always a good thing.

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@muyjingo Simple, because Zod for one is smart and knew Lois was close with Superman...he wanted to find out what she knew being as how she was one of the humans closer to Superman/Kal-El throughout the film, Zod noticed this and wanted to use anything he could find or use as an advantage. That and if you noticed she was the only human they took, and she even said "they got in my mind" obviously trying to find information concerning Earth....obviously they were extracting information from her mind, learning Earth's weaknesses etc

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Though Zod was the villain he was only doing what he was programmed to do. He was genetically engineered to be a protector of Krypton at any cost and didn't have the ability to give up. If he wasn't killed in action(during an explosion) or sent to the Negative Zone then Superman had to kill him because he would never stop until he achieved his programmed goal. His death can be blamed on his Kryptonian creators.

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Well Superman Returns didn't have Lex die? and Hulk 2008 didn't let its main Villian die either.

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Well, that was the ending they went with. So deal with it.

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Wow at this article. I can't wait for the nitpicking of this to be over.

What would have happened if he tended to the hundreds of people in the rubble? Zod and crew would have gone on about their business with no interference and it'd be over for Earth.

Before the final fight with Zod he moves towards the rubble and then catches Zod moving. Maybe you just forgot the part where he lets the oil tower fall on himself to get those workers out.

With his mom, the others weren't assaulting her. Zod was. He says as much immediately after the tackle.

The ending seems to be the biggest issue and I don't understand why. I was a little iffy with it right when it happened but the remorse he shows just really worked for me. What if he did manage to beat Zod unconscious. What happens when the guy wakes up? He's just gonna chill in prison haha. Zod made it perfectly clear. It ends when one of us is dead. He told Clark flat out that he was going to kill every single person on the planet. What other way out was there? Every second that fight continued people got hurt.

When a movie comes out that is amazing there is always that group of people that pick apart the stupidest details. This nailed Superman's character way more than Nolan did Batman.

This. Totally agreed. Nobody ever complained this much about any of the other superhero movies that came out and were popular/ successful, be it the Avengers films of Nolan's Batman trilogy. Yeah, the film, wasn't perfect, but no film is. If you nitpick enough you could find flaws in the greatest of classics.

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I think the makers of Man of Steel had a long checklist of things to avoid, change at all costs and where to put the emphasis so that nobody could accuse the "Man of Steel" of being a "stupid boy scout" Hence the muted colours, the unnecessary emphasis on tragedy, the killing of Zod etc. They didn't try to make a good Superman film, they tried to sell the "Man of Steel" property to as many people as possible. MoS clearly shows that DC/Warner are completely clueless when it comes to Superheroes that aren't somehow linked to a flying rodent. Marvel took Thor, a property that is just as ridiculous as Superman, and fully embraced it and made it into an entertaining film. DC is stuck in a self-delusion that involves meaningless words like "Relatable" and "grounded in reality" and is terrified that if they don't slavishly stick to the "Formula", too bad the formula doesn't say "Make a damn good film."

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@deranged_midget said:

@novi_homines said:

@deranged_midget: After that epic battle, I doubt any sane person would call the ending, "boring", or "uneventful".

You'd be surprised considering that Zod only had one brief interaction with Clark and I'd doubt people would be happy that they managed to zip away the Kryptonians just like that. It would most definitely be predictable and something that none of us would still be talking about to this deal. That one scene made this film memorable and will be talked about for years to come.

One brief interaction? They met up like 3-4 different times in the movie. Lol, and it was topped of with an epic battle. But I do agree that it was memorable, but "controversial" might be the better word. Sometimes controversy isn't always a good thing.

Good or bad, it seems to have change the comic book world.

Sorry, but we need some levity in here.

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I think the writer is forgetting that Superman killed Zod in Superman II. That was worse because he had already taken Zod's powers. S he picked up a de-powered Zod, after crushing his hand and threw him to his death. Then laughed about it with Lois. Where does comic vine get you clowns? How is this not a superman movie but that movie is? Clowns. All of you.

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@arinya:

@arinya said:

@feargalr said:

The movie definitely had it's problems and to be honest I preferred Superman Returns but I still did enjoy it, I really liked the first half.

Glad to finally hear someone else that liked Superman Returns. It was abit of a carbon copy but it was fun. Routh looked the part. Spacey was great as always. There was abit of a creep factor but I didn't hate it. I guess that's why MoS made me mad it just felt they have made several good Superman films. It can be done. There's no need to drag what should be an example of perfection to make him more "human". I think it was Ditko that said something like there is no grey area. There is only right and wrong. Once we start putting our heros in the grey area they stop being heros. What are we looking up to? Supes is supposed to be better than us. Teaching us that there is a better way to deal with our issues, problems and crisis than conflict. Ditko was a smart man.

really so are our armed forces overseas who use deadly force heroes? are you not a hero if you employ deadly force against someone trying to destroy the human race with the means to do it? when is deadly force justified? we're in a post 911 world ...i think sensibilities are different now ..

No..... Ugh... Americans. Lets not make this political. Heroes in this context are not soldiers, they're heroes. They have a different moral code. You're confusing the word 'hero' as used by the american media with the word 'hero' as in a 'superhero' who (almost) by definition does not kill. I'm not saying I like that, but Superman killing is not Superman. It would be like Batman killing the Joker.

Plus if they were going to have him kill someone doing it in the first movie isn't the best idea, it has a lot less weight because we never actually got to see his moral code.

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Just got back from it and thought it was awful. All it ended up being was an alien invasion/military action movie that just happened to star Superman. The action was uninteresting as everyone flew around like a bunch of ragdolls. I thought it started out fine, but all of it felt rushed so it could get Zod to Earth and start the hour and a half of non-stop action. Cavil was barely passable as Clark and had about as much personality as a wooden plank. Lois's portrayal okay, but it just felt like Amy Adams was just playing herself. Everyone else was forgettable and Michael Shannon was just chewing the scenery every goddamn scene he was in!

I was fine with them trying something different and not making him become his identity right away, but the route they took was uninteresting and lame. It's more believable that no one would recognize Clark as Superman when he was introduced to everyone at first as Clark. In this movie since mostly everyone saw him as Supes, it's extremely hard to believe that no one would immediately recognize him. It being another origin story I understand they needed to movie the beginning fastly, but all of his motivation and reasons for doing what he did just seemed to go by in an instant.

Majorly dissapointed with this movie and I hope that Zach Snyder isn't going to do the second one. I almost don't want to have a Justice League movie if this Superman is going to be in it and if it's gonna have the same tone.

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@bob_loblaws_law_blog: hey hey hey I'm American but don't get me involved with all the political nonsense. I'm like Sweden. LOL! I agree with you. Superhero > Human. Should be the example but I understand why they did it in the movie and we'd agree with decision more if they would of written it better.

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One brief interaction? They met up like 3-4 different times in the movie. Lol, and it was topped of with an epic battle. But I do agree that it was memorable, but "controversial" might be the better word. Sometimes controversy isn't always a good thing.

Fair enough, they did have the interaction on Zod's ship, the brief tussle in Smallville and the final battle. It was pretty obvious that the film was building up to a showdown between the two. Controversial? Sure, but misconstrued? Most definitely.

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@bloggerboy: I completely agree that DC and Marvel are different, but completely disagree that Marvel heroes would look up to DC heroes. In fact I think the differences would make them clash more than anything.

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The film was filled with predictable plot sequences, bombastic CGI effects, and dry moments of "humor."

Superman Returns was a much, much better film.

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I say get over it. You freak out over the dumbest things. It makes me roll my eyes. It's really annoying.

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@dreamfall31: @lorex: It's an alien invasion on its surface but the story is about a tragic character with an extremely difficult life. Not belonging and forced to hide all his life. When he finally mets his own kind he has make a choose between his native world or his adopted one, with one of them ending up facing extinction. By the end of the film he's back to being the last of his kind, but the world knows of his existence.

Lois knows who he is and maybe Perry. Not too many people at the Planet saw Superman's face up close.

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@guardiandevil83: long enough to get those civilians out of danger yes. And he wouldn't be expecting it either since he isn't aware of that power.

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"As for the alternative of flying him off to another planet, that would weaken Clark as much as Zod. It'd basically be a suicide run mate."

Yeah, because he really cared whether or not he walked away from the fight with Doomsday.

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@danhimself: Thank you for this. Also, it's conceivable Thor could have taken them out on his own, lol.

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@azura_thena: It was definitely NOT kryptonian tech that neutralized supes power on zods ship. It is shown, stated, and hinted at multiple times it is the differences in atmosphere. Jor-el even states that he is making the atmosphere on the ship like earths which is why lois is able to breath on the ship after that and how supes broke out of his restraints after that. There were a lot of things that weren't elaborated on in the movie, but they made this point pretty clear.

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Can't wait for Man of Steel 2 vs Dark Knight. That's gonna get interesting...

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@xxxddd said:

The film was filled with predictable plot sequences, bombastic CGI effects, and dry moments of "humor."

Superman Returns was a much, much better film.

I don't remember...is that the one where Lex Luthor's master plan involved real estate and the introduction of Lois and Superman's bastard offspring

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@xxxddd: Really? Superman Returns was a better film? Why? Cause you've seen a remake of Superman I? Cause you've seen airplanes and bullets vs Superman, again? If you didn't like Man of Steel, it's ok, but comparing it to that awfully boring film that destroyed Routh's acting career...

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Also, I don't understand how anyone can say that him killing Zod is motivation for not killing in the future. He has done it, and he saved lives. In my opinion, I could just as easily see this as him getting over the shock of killing for the first time in order to save people, and making it easier for him in the future to do what needs to be done. He's already pushed himself to killing, and if there's "no other option" in the future, I don't think he'll hesitate to kill again, to save people. Like Batman himself said in the recent Death of the Family on why he didn't kill joker, once you get that first kill, you can never go back. That may not be entirely true, but I think bruce has a very good point here.

LOL at using terrible story like Death of the family to use as an example. Simply because there are comic stories of Superman, always mentioning that he never wants to go through that again.