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Off My Mind: Why Bringing Back Earth-2 is a Bad Idea for DC Strategy

The return of a parallel world and alternate versions of characters will only cause major confusion to new readers.

We've been seeing lots of changes in DC's 'The New 52.' Most of the characters are still familiar and have only received small tweaks. Other characters and events have undergone some bigger changes. The purpose of 'The New 52' was to provide the perfect jumping on point for new readers. People could jump in and not have to worry about what went on with the characters for the past few decades. While there has been a couple hiccups, the plan has been pretty successful so far.

Then DC revealed that Earth-2 would be making its return in 2012's Justice Society of America. Earth-2 is essentially a parallel world with alternate versions of many of the characters we know. Earth-2 was the explanation for the Golden Age DC characters and why they had different traits from the Silver Age characters in the later 1950s.

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The potential for new elaborate and maybe even crazy stories is something to consider with the return of the Golden Age. The problem is, trying to explain the differences to newer readers, even ones that have read DC Comics now and then, is going to be tough. We're already trying to figure out what is going on and what has been erased in the 'New 52.' Bringing in different versions of characters or the whole notion of a parallel DC Universe could be the factor that pushes some readers away. In other words, bringing back Earth-2 is a bad idea.

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Earth-2 and the Golden Age heroes had their beginnings from the early days of WWII. The Justice Society was the big team and other characters had different stories. For example, Superman, as Clark Kent, worked at the Daily Star, became the editor-in-chief and married reporter Lois Lane. Batman eventually retired and became the police commissioner of Gotham City. He married Selina Kyle (Catwoman) and they had a daughter, Helena, who would become that world's Huntress. Dick Grayson was always the only Robin and when Batman 'retired,' he continued crime fighting and joined the Justice Society. The list goes on and on with pretty big differences from the characters we know.

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It was in 1961's The Flash #123 where Barry Allen accidentally vibrated at the right frequency that transported him to Earth-2. He discovered that the comic character Jay Garrick, known as the Flash on this world, was actually real. The explanation was the writer, Gardner Fox, must have had a connection to the world and dreamt about it as he slept and wrote the stories. This opened up the door between the two Earths. Eventually others showed up and Alan Scott and Power Girl made their way to the DC Universe. It was 1985's Crisis on Infinite Earths that was meant to clean up the continuity in the DC Universe. No longer did multiple Earths exist.

Only Crisis on Infinite Earths hasn't happened in 'The New 52,' according to Dan DiDio. That means Earth-2 didn't get merged/erased. What does this mean for the other Earth-2 characters? Could we see that Earth-2 Batman journey over? Will books be clearly marked as the 'New 52' universe and Earth-2 world? What can we say about last week's Huntress #1 and Penguin #1? Neither had the 'New 52' words splashed across the cover. Did those issues occur in the 'New 52,' Earth-2 or are just random stories written before 'The New 52' was set in motion? It could be because they're only miniseries but I see 'The New 52' as the entire new universe now rather than only the 52 individual titles. DC has dropped hints that Huntress will have connections to 'Mister Terrific' (which has Karen Starr but not Power Girl), 'Birds of Prey' as well as next year's Justice Society of America.

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I've been reading comics for over twenty-five years and even I am confused as to what is going on. How can newer readers make sense of the difference between Earth-2 and 'New 52' characters when many of the 'New 52' characters are undergoing radical changes?

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With some history officially being erased, we can also add any recent ones involving the Justice Society since they don't exist in the DC Universe but instead they're still on Earth-2.

Then again, it's possible the heroes have been able to cross over into each world. As mentioned in Justice League of America #82, every twelve months the "temperal matrices of the Earths come together briefly.' For twenty-one days, super-powered men and woman can cross to the other existence." Could that still be the case?

Trying to explain that to a new ready could be difficult, especially if they missed an issue. There'd also be the matter of defining how much real time equals twelve comic book months. But maybe the heroes in 'The New 52' have already interacted with heroes from Earth-2. We just don't know for certain since we don't know what they have and haven't done anymore.

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Let me be clear that I think the idea of being able to explore the Earth-2 counterparts is exciting. I'd love to see more of Earth-2 Batman, Robin, Superman and so forth. This just goes against what 'The New 52' was supposed to be about. You can't claim this isn't a reboot and then re-introduce characters from the 40s. Having two versions of characters isn't going to win over new readers if they don't fully know or understand which is the regular version and which is the Earth-2 counterpart.

The funny thing is it was Alexander Luthor Jr in Infinite Crisis who wanted to revert the multiverse into its pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths state. He wanted to pick characteristics of each and make the perfect world. That's exactly what 'The New 52' is doing. DC is choosing what characters they think are interesting and giving them a shot. It has been going smoothly and while the idea of seeing the Justice Society of America on Earth-2 again is great, I would rather they make their way back to the regular DC Universe and leave it at that. If we want readers to know what's going on and not get frustrated, you can't have alternate dimensions play a major role with the big characters.

Earth-2 might be a nice place for our heroes to visit but I wouldn't want them to live there.

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@ComicMan24: A very solid and reasonable thought. Yet I don't know about having multiple Earths, that is just me. It could be work out, DC has done it in the past but a lot of friends I knew growing up didn't like DC because of a few things and one sticking point was the fact there were so many multiple Earths. Even after Crisis on Multiple Earths, things were still too muddled for them.

I've always liked the concept of Earth-2. I also love JSA. So this could be good. At least I hope!

It is basically wait and see with all this.

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@Decept-O:

I like having alternate Earths. It could lead to some very interesting stories when used right because it can get so messy otherwise. Well I am relatively new reader so it never really bothered me but I giuess we will just have to wait until then.

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Why can't there just be one earth DC?! sigh

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Good Article,

But are we sure that the same rules still apply to Earth -2 that did before? Could Earth-2 be like the Ultimate Universes is to Marvel's 106 Universe now instead?

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I wish they would have left The JLS in Basic Continuity

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The whole Earth-2 thing doesn't bother me too much either way, but I don't want the alternate earth with the Crime Syndicate of Amerika to ever go away.  They're too cool to be condemned to the mists of time.

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I'm hoping that we won't see Superman, Batman, and other duplicate heroes from Earth 2, that would diminish the confusion. They could just focus on characters from the Justice Society that aren't seen on Earth 1

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I'm so lost someone help me out

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@avenger11 said:

Why can't there just be one earth DC?! sigh


More earths allows them to tell so many more stories, Marvel has the same thing, Ultimateverse, AoAverse, etc. I know I don't stand alone when I say I love DC's Elseworld's tales from the 90's, that were all revealed to be actual parallel earth's after the events from Infinite Crisis and 52. Earth 2 is the Golden Age book, so it's nice that we can have Golden Age stories with the JSA that may potentially include a Golden Age Superman & Batman in them, which would be awesome. It'd be like a 40's version of the DC Retro-Active titles, but an ongoing or full mini instead of just one shots from the decade. I think there are enough Golden Age fans out there that would really like a self contained Golden Age universe ongoing story. 
 
And speaking of alternate universes and such, I really wouldn't mind seeing another batch of Amalgam comics....
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Simple just slap Elserworlds on the cover and have all their inter world adventures happen in those titles, perhaps slip in a page explaining what Elserworlds is at the start of ever comic. As long as they keep any required elserworlds reading to a minimum everyone can just read what they want.

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i see alternate earths as alternate stories about your favorite comic character .Getting extra books outside of the main book never bothers me and confusion can be avoided by simply knowing its another world.

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I think that instead of bringing in a "New 52 Earth 2," they should say that all this New 52 stuff is really on Earth 3.

Or not. For all I know Earth 3 might be a thing. I don't actually read comic books! I just like reading about them on this site.

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I think if they convey what alternate reality it is I should have no problem with it.

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wait, back-up. then what was the point of all of this? damn it and just when i had been getting on board they pull a bonehead move like this!

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WHAT THE F*CK? NOW DC IS INTRODUCING BACK THE EARTH-2 INTO THE NEW 52? WOW.....JUST WOW!

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personally, I dislike the idea of certain character ONLY existing in one of the universes. One of the best parts about comic book universes is the potential for any character to interact with any other. But when you do stuff like only have golden age heroes on one earth and only silver on another, not only does it get confusing, but it's a complete waste in terms of potential stories. The only reason I feel for having alternate earth's is to use them to tell Elseworld stories, or show different versions of existing characters, they shouldn't be the specific homes of particular characters. But that's just me.

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Now as much as i love the JSA, i don't want to see them back on earth-2. They've been a stable part of mainstream DC continuity for roughly a little more than 20 years now and have had their roots laid down to explain how they're there and what they stand for. They've interacted with various DC characters over that time and have had fantastic stories writen about them during that time. Not to mention that their team dynamic of being more like an extendeed family rather than just a group of super-heroes banded together just to take down evil is something that i really like about them. I also liked the idea of heroes growing older and still doing what they can, it sort of goes againt that idea of the current re-wateveryouwanttocallit of rejuvinating heroes to make them more relatable, but the thing is that it's more understandable. Also with the set up that the last series ended with, though the ending felt rushed, of "super town" we saw these gatkeepers of the DC univrse take a further step forward, being more than just another super-hero team.

Plus, concidering how diffarent the costumes between the JSA flash and green lantern are compaired to their vaaaaarious namesakes, who can be confused by them? seriously?Thoes mysterious "new readers" we've been hearing about are probably going to be more confused by the fac that there are 2 dick graysons now, not to mention the doubaling up of other characters on a parallel earth.

But thats just me.

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It just too soon, they should really wait till the New 52 gets more defined, then start exploring alternate dimension stuff. This looks like a mess in the making.

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Having a Justice Society in the same world as the Justice League is what would be really confusing. People would ask what the point of two of the same team is. I think bringing back Earth-2 is a good idea so long as DC makes it so that a reader can tell what stories take place in Earth-2 simply by looking at the cover, maybe a label or something like THE NEW 52, they did that really well. But as for new readers getting confused, that is why they didn't launch Earth-2 along with everything else, so that they could warm up to this universe before being exposed to the concept of parallels.

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we don't need another Earth to be around, but maybe... we can get a reintroduction to Power girl!

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I think they should wait a little to bring in parrell world to the reboot. Make new readers get use to comics first. I know when I try explain comics to people they understand in the beginning what I am talking about but than when I talk about parrel worlds and alternate realities they get lost and have no idea what I am talking about.

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As a new reader for DC, yeah its too soon..but I'm down if they do it ONLY for a little while, like three or four issues visit some parallel world, like Marvel's House of M, that's it...if they change everything then what is the point?

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this part of DC has always confused me... I understand the benefits of a reboot and the nostalgia of yesteryear... but let it go. The reboot, in itself, is kind of a literary cop out but it is understandable. As a writer, it has to be difficult to be bound by decades of history created by other writers. It's just difficult for the fans who read that history, and remember that history. But we the fans are capable of moving on. Just pick an avenue, and go with it. Just make sure it's good!!!

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Mostly a Marvel reader because of how hard it was to follow DC but I've been giving this New 52 a shot. So far it's already starting to get confusing and based on DC's track record, I don't have a lot of faith in their future direction now that they are going to add in the Earth-2.

Going to point out how Marvel did it with the Ultimates line by having a small amount of titles out at a time making it easier for new readers to follow. It may not be the best recipe for a company that is looking to make money but it's good for new readers.

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No.

I've always wondered what Kal-L would do with Kal-El of New Earth and IFC answered it.

Kal-L is awesome.

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I would read JSA if Helena Wayne is in it. So good move by DC as far as I'm concerned.

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Well, if they are any fans of Earth-2 (Quote me), because I enjoyed Earth 2 stuff.

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I think the New 52 needs to wait about a year before we try to introduce anything like Earth-2. right now they need to focus on setting up these characters to the new readers so that way people can follow along their favorites.

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@Trodorne said:

I think the New 52 needs to wait about a year before we try to introduce anything like Earth-2. right now they need to focus on setting up these characters to the new readers so that way people can follow along their favorites.

They are waiting a year.

I think Justice Society should've been more like a secret society of masked men fighting Nazis or something, not a separate "Earth" it's too convoluted for the average reader to want to get interested in it.

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Lame
 
Eventually there will be team-ups between Earth 1 and Earth 2 every second issue and eventually Batamn will be killed by the Joker.
 
But it is the Earth 5 Batman killed by Earth 24 Joker on Earth 41

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@leokearon:

Using an Earth-3 gun while wearing Earth-5 clothes.

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They truly should have just left JS in this new DCU to be honest. The reintroduction of concepts such as Earth-2 are just going to confuse the hell out of readers now with this new clean slate made. Watch and wait...if the New 52 continues on this path then its just going to lead to another Crisis on down the line. Why...why...WHY did they have to erase JS and so many good characters from this continuity? What a let down...

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I think it's no problem. First, I think most of the people coming into comic stores for Nu52 are lapsed comic readers. They've been aware that there was a Golden Age Flash and Green Lantern for years. Those who are completely new should be educated enough to be used to the "alternate reality" trope. If you're willing to try comics, you've probably seen an episode or two of "Fringe"...

I think DC's real misstep was keeping so much old continuity in the main universe, but we're stuck with that now. Separating the Golden Age into an alternate universe keeps things more clean for the mainline readers.

"Starman" made me a real fan of the JSA in the 90's, but they were so compromised by being shoehorned into modern continuity. Here are these classic heroes from the 40's, but Superman and and Batman were scrubbed out of all their classic adventures because those two are supposed to be young. And sometimes "Wonder Woman" was there, but that was really Hippolyta running around in red, white, and blue. It was such a headache. Also, it cheapened Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman by making it look like they were just copying others who had been fighting crime for 50+ years.

So I'm looking forward to James Robinson working in a separate sandbox. Superman and Alan Scott need to fly side by side. Batman should pistol whip Hitler. Wonder Woman needs to flip her shit, when the JSA boys club tries to make her their secretary!

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Too much too soon. Work on giving the rebooted characters a good basis first!

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I agree; bringing back Earth-2 in any way, despite the characters it might re-introduce, would be a blow to all DC has achieved in the past month with it's reboot. New readers would feel alienated, or just be outright confused. DC should lay-off Earth-2 or the Multiverse for a year, at least, or more- just to give others time to adjust.

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I'm done. This whole reboot has been handled haphazardly at best.

The inclusion of Earth 2 only shows me that DC editorial itself never had a firm well thought out plan in place.

I'm just going to sit back and wait for this new comic bubble to burst. Can't wait to see who they blame this one on.

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Agree with the main point of the original story. If there must be a reboot (I didn't want one, but what's done is done), and if the reason for the reboot is that continuity has gotten too complicated, what is the sense of Earth 2?

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this whole relaunch has been a debacle the "5 year gap" crap is terrible, the slipshod attempt to hold on to random bits of previous "continuity" the quality of writers and editorial oversight and now this? THIS? look up the word lame in the dictionary and you see a picture of EARTH 2 sitting next to it

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@boopie said:

this whole relaunch has been a debacle the "5 year gap" crap is terrible, the slipshod attempt to hold on to random bits of previous "continuity" the quality of writers and editorial oversight and now this? THIS? look up the word lame in the dictionary and you see a picture of EARTH 2 sitting next to it

i agree even though i want to see people like Alan Scott back its a pretty bad move. Too much too soon.

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Great, so they're going to waste another reality on the same well worn and overused characters. Why couldn't they designate earth 2 the Wildstorm universe?

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I though the whole point of the New 52 was to bring the universes together as one?

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reboots are stupid, i really hope marvel doesn't do this with their line up. i mean marvel hasn't had any continuety issues form what i can think of. but DC has all of these stupid crossovers and i stopped reading it because of how confusing it got. im not picking sides, i just think marvel portrays its alternate eaths better. this reboot was a bad idea
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@FoxxFireArt said:

I haven't seen the official DC statement about Earth-2's return. Just going on a thought. What if instead of trying to meld Earth-2 DC in with the New 52 DC? They are planning on treating Earth-2 as their equivalent of Marvel'sUltimate line of comics. I actually see some potential promise in that.

It really would of been for the best not to of definitively said Infinite Crisis didn't happen. Leave it open to let writers do what they will. They shoehorn their writers in far too much.

Well said, folk.

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@FoxxFireArt said:

I haven't seen the official DC statement about Earth-2's return. Just going on a thought. What if instead of trying to meld Earth-2 DC in with the New 52 DC? They are planning on treating Earth-2 as their equivalent of Marvel'sUltimate line of comics. I actually see some potential promise in that.

It really would of been for the best not to of definitively said Infinite Crisis didn't happen. Leave it open to let writers do what they will. They shoehorn their writers in far too much.

I would totally buy it if they did it like that. keep the titles limited and make sure that potential new readers no that this is definitely not a part of the DCnU. Clear and obvious differences that differentiate it from the New 52 and play around with these big differences.

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I agree. Let's not mess with parallel worlds until the current universe is established.

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It may be because I'm fairly new to comics in general, but shouldn't DC let everyone settle in first? This seems alil counter-intuitive. With this relaunch they wanted to draw in new readers and in fact have done so. I don't think it's fair to throw something as big as alternate universes at them so early on. I'd think it would be better to save such big events for later down the road. Let the new readers get to understand the hero's better and the devoted readers give them time to settle in on the bigger changes you have made to their pulls and reads. I'll be the first to admit I was cautious about becoming a comic reader after falling in love with Blackest Night, cause I learned that there had been this thing called CRISIS, (which I still don't completely understand) and not just one, but many. As a newer fan of comics, this NEW52 was supposed to be a great jumping on point. So if your going to do this do it right PLEASE! And for gods sake bring POWERGIRL to Earth Prime or Earth-1 or whatever tha hell this is! DC you have plenty of people backing you now, don't F*CK it up! Also I would like to thank all of you who are being supportive of the new readers, there seem to be quit a few on this page. When the new 52 was first mentioned I seen more than my share of people talking about "Screw the new readers what about us?".My apologies for the paraphrasing. (Albeit understandable) It reminded me of the looks and stares I recieved when I first started visiting my local comic shop. That has all changed and now they even give me recommendations and we strike up conversations. And I must say Comic girls are cute :) Anyway so thanks for the support!

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@Outside_85 said:

@Frobin: Well it is a matter of personal opinion that I think DC's Multiverse was best left forgotten, wasn't ever used after Infinite Crisis other than being the resting place for the New Gods and all in all I was quite happy with having the JSA as predessor to the JL and having a group of heroes that were inspired by nearly forgotten Mystery Men. Yes Morrisons long awaited Multiversity book gives us a tour of them, but since Flashpoint's happened...couldn't we at least have avoided the question of who belong on what Earth? (It's actually a bit like Multiversity and New Teen Titans: Games occupy the same category, relics of a bygone age, well written and received but ultimately holds no weight continuity wise (ofc this is just me speculating about Multiversity...))

Well, with Batman, Superman and the JLA as the first known superheroes (and Stormwatch as the secret supheroes been there long before) it's pretty obvious that there is no room in the new DCU for the old guys ... and I really don't liked them as the old guys, the retirement league ... it's kinda lame in my opinion. I always loved them more as the Justice League of Earth 2 ... equal to the Justice League and not necessarily old, but different ... like the Squadron Supreme are totally different to the Avengers ... I think it's much better than a team of scrap heap heroes from the old days. Now they can be rebooted and the charaterization isn't so limited to "being the predecessor of the real heroes" ... some kind of prototype, but not really as good as the real heroes.

And again (by the way): If DC would have a master plan then WHY merge the amazing, thrilling and totally not DCU compatible Wildstorm Universe with the DCU???? WHY??? It's really like merging Disney with the world of FIGHT CLUB or so ... and therefore I really hope Earth 2 is one of the 52 Earths of the DC multiverse and another one is the Earth of the original Wildstorm Universe (not totally ruined by writing it into apocalypse).

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@fps_dean said:

Too much too soon. Work on giving the rebooted characters a good basis first!

was just gonna say this, they need to learn patience.

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I think its not a bad idea because it will only be in one book. There won't be all these other Earth-2 comics that coincide with the regular ones. It'll be isolated. And it would be great to see a new modern twist on those characters.

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The biggest problem, which has been stated already, is doing this too soon. I'm fine with Earth-2 stuff, I welcome it. But not right after a major relaunch for new readers.