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Off My Mind: Where are All The Heroes in Batman Beyond?

Where are all the other heroes in this time?

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Batman Beyond is making a comeback. After a successful miniseries and the start of the new series, we're back to seeing adventures sent in the not-so-distant future.

Batman Beyond was a great show since it combined the concept of comic book superheroes along with the added elements of sci-fi. How could a fan of both genres not enjoy the show. It ran for 52 episodes but there was always one thing that was missing.

When setting up this the new world in the comics, the creators made a wise decision. Yes we still had Bruce Wayne to tie this futuristic world to the one we knew from comics (and the previous Batman: The Animated Series), but that was about it. With Terry McGinnis, we had a new Batman. The show's aim was to establish him as Batman along with showing us this future world and (some of) the characters living in it.

What I always wanted to know was what happened to all the other characters we knew? It would have been easy to simply give us the old villains or updated versions of them, but the show's creators chose not to go in that direction. Instead we saw new characters and villains for Terry to fight.

With so many heroes and villains in the DC Universe, doesn't it make sense that we should see futuristic versions of other characters?

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There has been an updated version of the Justice League in the show and comic. This served to give us the beginning of a look at the rest of the DC Universe but I never thought it was enough.

We know that Dick Grayson, Barbara Gordon and Superman are still around. In the recent Batman Beyond miniseries we saw Bat-villains such as Hush, Mad Hatter, Two-Face and Calendar Man. We also saw Lex Luthor and Metallo in Superman/Batman Annual #4. There's been mention or appearances of other minor characters but what about all the other heroes and villains?

What happened to Wonder Woman, the Flash, Superboy, Martian Manhunter, Supergirl, the Teen Titans and all their villains? It's possible some have retired or died in the line of duty but with so many different DC characters, you'd think there'd be more survivors out there.

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We've seen Superman's story. He was under Starro's control and sort of gave up being a superhero. In the Superman/Batman Annual he decided to leave to check out the other worlds out there. He did give Terry a signal watch, just in case he ever needed him.

DC has announced Superman Beyond #0 (by Tom DeFalco, Ron Frenz and Sal Buscema). Superman will be facing a villain that's more powerful than he's ever faced before and his powers appear to be fading.

This sounds like an interesting idea but why Superman? Why not another hero that we haven't already seen in this future?

Superman Beyond #0 could be the beginning of more Beyond books. Is that a good or bad thing. I do want to see more of the Beyond world and while I have voiced my desire for this, I will admit that my wallet doesn't want to see a complete line of Beyond books.

It's clear that there is more out there. Batman Beyond may have focused on Gotham and it's plausible that Bruce could've prevented other heroes from entering his city. Now is the time to see what's happening outside of Gotham City. Let's find out what the other heroes and villains are up to. There just needs to be control over how much we get. If DC were to launch a handful of Beyond books, the concept could lose it's charm. But show me what else is out there. Is Gorilla Grodd still alive? Has Deathstroke managed to elude the grim reaper? The legacy heroes concept is big in DC so let's see who has picked up the mantle when the heroes we know today died or retired. There are so many possibilities for DC to explore and it would be a shame not to seem more of the Beyond Universe.

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With the new Superman Beyond book, I hope we'll see a Justice League Beyond book in the future and maybe this could be a good way to introduce new characters. We know that something happened to Hal, Kyle, John, and Guy since there's a new GL on the JLB (most likely they got old), but I do agree that I would like to see other characters and learn what happened to them like Flash. We know that with Micron he's most likely the predecessor of Atom, I would like to know what happened to some of the Teen Titans like Superboy, Wonder Girl, Cyborg, ect as well. I could honestly see this becoming somewhat as DC's "ultimate universe" since they can go in almost any direction they want with it being in the future.

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Superboy did not exist on Earth-12 dude.

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@sEsposito7 said:
I really, really don't want to see an entire line of Beyond books. My reasoning is because it will detract from Batman Beyond. I'm okay with Superman Beyond; I think the series can work well with the right creators, but to expand the Beyond universe into an entire line would make it too similar to the regular DCU. In my opinion, there's nothing that anyone could do to make the Beyond universe different enough from the DCU proper if most of the same characters are running around.Batman Beyond is about a dystopian future -- one where heroes aren't really around; about a cynical, old and tired Bruce Wayne, and about a new hero coming into his own under that mantle of the Bat. You start adding all kinds of characters to that story, or at least telling those stories, you lose the dystopia, you lose the charm of Terry McGinnis rising up in a world where not much else is good, etc..I love Batman Beyond. It's a book that I can't wait to get every month. I'm excited for Superman Beyond, but anything after that will really disappoint me. I wouldn't mind a Justice League mini down the road or something, but I'd hate to see ongoings start popping up.
Nail on the head, folk. 
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I wanna know what happened to Batman Inc. as far as Batman Beyound timeline.  Apparently it doesnt last. That isn't really a bad thing.
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I have to admit that the reason I wasn't fond of the Batman Beyond show was exactly because they didn't give you an inside to any of the other heroes or villians.  It made me feel like I had just left narnia for a year, and came back 300 years later in their time like in the movie.  I felt lost. But other than feeling lost it was a pretty good show. Just not one that I would re-rewatch.
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i think in one of the recent batman beyond issues, in that little Q&A letters piece at the end, they hinted a justice league Beyond or something revolving around them. 

one thing i'd like to see is more members in the beyond justice league, now i'm not a JL fan but of what i saw of the animated series, there were a lot of members, but now there's only a small hand full in the beyond universe?  

as for seeing a beyond comic line.. i'm not sure on my thoughts really. to me beyond was isolated to just batman beyond, anymore might seem a bit cliche. that's the bad part, the good would be that we'd see more of this future universe and maybe some new and interesting team-ups and cross-overs. plus it'd give them another way to build up on the beyond universe. also depending on the team or character they make in the beyond series. they could show different shades of light on this future universe. like right now it's dark.. but with superman beyond or whatever other beyond they come up with, it could show the lighter side of beyond. 
it could also show what happened to enemies and heroes not part of gotham. 

but i do agree that expanding the Beyond line is risky because bring out too many new Beyond characters/comics too fast and it loses it's feel and maybe even it's origin. but different heroes, makes for possible new fans of the beyond universe. like say a wonder woman beyond could a bring in fans of wonder woman and share with them the Beyond universe through the eyes of a new wonder woman, superman does the same... but if they throw out all that happened in superman/batman annual #4 then it becomes less interesting because the consistency isn't there. 
a teen titans beyond would mean that we would eventually get a robin beyond because it seems to DC that teen titans doesn't work without a robin.. ok, i think i'm getting a bit ahead of myself.. or lost my train of thought. 
basically there's goods and bads to  expanding the beyond universe and it could go either way depending on the actions DC takes to expanding it. if done badly it could cause it to get put on the back-burner of DC once again. but done really well and... let's just say the batman beyond fans might get that official live action movie WE all been waiting for.
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Well, we do know what happened to the Joker and Harley Quinn. That was pretty hardcore stuff for a kids' cartoon, and I still pretty vividly remember those episodes, even though I only saw them once.

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Simply YES. This series doesn't have to worry about comic story strings 'AT ALL' because it was created on television and as such is easier to catch up on.

I've actually spent a wealth of time for (better or worse) obsessing over the Beyond universe. I feel like I have a pretty good grip on what it was essentially about.
It was a dark future were heroes where broken and villains controlled everything. Blight/ Mr. Freeze/ Curare were bad but they all are villains with some since of order to them, and in that order people could still live. But the chaos created by the Joker gang completely crumbles society, and that led to the re-creation of Batman.

A theme in the series and cross overs was the reemerging of the hero, new heroes and survival of the struggle in this dark future more fit for jokers. What a good line of three or four Beyond titles would do is bring the rest of the DCU into Batman's darker idea of reality, essentially modeling everyone from a more human batman perspective/ where as everything now is all super powers and alien planets, I'd say modeled more after Supermans experience.

There are a few Beyond teams to start with already: Bat and Bruce, Justice League Beyond, Zeta Project (the short lived tv series of the same universe), Static and Gear (the mature veteran heroes).
With additions of Wonder Woman for the old people banter with Bruce and Clark alone.

I recommend another short series that shows the events that destroyed the watch tower, and set in-stone who survived and who died, and make the proceeding on-going books as Batman shining as the example of heroism, opposite to the current universe. But this universe is ground for new characters, if more than the Flash or Green Arrow legacy was continued it would be too much.

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@mistzero said:
Man I was all hyped up thinking it was going to be  a return to the show batman beyond but now I'm just mildly interested.
I feel the same way.

As far as the topic, the TV show/movie brought back enough old characters imo.  I think the ratio of new:old was an ideal mix.
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I guess it all depends if they want to make a beyond universe 

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Batman Beyond always felt like a continuation of Batman: The Animated Series, which very, very rarely concerned itself with other DC universe characters - and I liked it that way. The series felt far more grounded than it would have if there were constant cameos from space aliens and interdimensional ghosts. Watching Batman TAS, you get the impression that Batman is one of a kind; the only costumed crime-fighter in the world. I guess that won't be the case in the comics, though. Which is kind of a shame from my perspective, because keeping track of a whole universe is daunting for writers and fans alike, I feel.

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I'm tired of DC limiting its future to 'Future Superman' or 'Future Batman'
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@They Killed Cap! said:
I wanna know what happened to Batman Inc. as far as Batman Beyound timeline.  Apparently it doesnt last. That isn't really a bad thing.
Other future stories have shown hints at a possible continuation of the Inc. concept (even before it actually happened in the current Bat-books), like Batman #666.
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so is this now the new "all star" line from DC? the "beyond" label? i would love to see them do this more than the all star line. the all star line screamed "marvel ultimate" with bad execution. the beyond comics could introduce new characters into a new world. heck, for all we know, the legion of super heroes could have began or had slight origins during the beyond era. bring it. ill buy it. 

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@Golden Cod said:
@xerox-kitty said:
It is surprising that DC hasn't already mined this little gold vein.  They could have had Justice League Beyond, Teen Titans Beyond, Young Justice Beyond, Birds of Prey Beyond... Arkham Beyond?    
I dunno.   That's like asking DC to create their version of Marvel's Ultimate imprint and we all know how many half-baked stories they churned out to keep that going :/
Its more like marvels 2099
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As much as i love Batman Beyond, i think that creating more "Beyond" titles would ruin it. the Beyond time line is ment to be set in a not so idstant future where even we are unaware of whats really going on (hero wise). So it adds more mystery to this future world haveing only one or two beyond titles exploring this world and shoing us slowly whats hppend to it.

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I like Aqua girl in that show =)

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was this the same future as static shock and the z robot character?
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One hope for a live action movie; Adam west as old bruce?

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I'm pretty sure your lanterns are retired, at least most of them are. In a way you could sort of refer to Kingdom Come for the possible preoccupations to the older heroes in the DC universe. Of Course with Magog's death in Generation Lost Kingdom Come is no longer in continuity. I would like to know what happened to the Speedsters and Wonder Woman myself. My guess though is that WW returned to Themyscira while the speedsters were absorbed into the speed force. That be my guess.

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A Beyond line would be perfectly fine as long as they don't make it too big. I don't see much reason to add anything else right now other than a JLU Beyond and the upcoming Superman Beyond. Really its somewhat of a moot point seeing that the Superman Beyond #0 is only testing the waters. Its best to wait and see how that does before wondering if a Beyond line would be a good idea. Personally though, I would love to see one as love the universe and am curious to see what old and new heroes/villains are running around outside of Gotham.

"What happened to Wonder Woman, the Flash, Superboy, Martian Manhunter, Supergirl, the Teen Titans and all their villains? "
"Is Gorilla Grodd still alive? Has Deathstroke managed to elude the grim reaper? "

Batman Beyond is based on the DCAU. Even this current version with mainstream elements it adds is still supposed to be based more off the DCAU than DCU.  Wonder Woman is still around though we never saw her due to whatever embargo was on her in the cartoons. Supergirl left to join the Legion in the future.  Superboy never existed though they could always retcon him in considering how many years later the universe occurs. A good chunk of villains died when Darkseid came back to life at the end of Justice League Unlimited. Gorilla Grodd is dead, ejected into the vacuum of space right before Darkseid comes back.  Due to an episode of Static we know the Titans existed though we never saw them. Don't know if Deathstroke ever existed at all since he was never in any show.

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I'm sorry but the whole concept of dystopian future precludes the existance of other heros.The whole thing about Batman Beyond is not to replicate the samo-samo nonsense that is killing the DCU.The fact that the current mini even lowered expectations by including Two Face, Mad Hatter,or Hush much less any reference to a JLA or Amazon in the mini or animated movie is disappointing as hell to me.This is why I backed off on the Beyond on going.I figured that editorial was not going to give this thing a life of it's own and would screw everything up with product placement ads for future action figures and the like.A reference to a Joker Cult was different and made sense but Beyond needs to chart it's own course and anchoring it to current continuity is a major mistake.
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The ongoing has actually been fairly solid with the latest issue probably being the best yet along with it featuring the return of Blight. I suggest you check it out. Won't deny though, it still has some annoying references to current continuity.

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Agreed. I would love to see alot more heroes in the future than the small amount they have right now.

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I couldn't agree more. There are endless possibilities for the Beyond universe even though "some people may disagree". I'll admit Superman Beyond maybe a good spinoff especially with the introduction of Apokolips returning for the future. In Batman Beyond 2011 issue 5, a character named Glen Godfrey may have a connection to Glorious Godfrey or maybe he is Glorious Godfrey and Godfrey maybe the precursor to the return of Darkseid. However, in all fairness I think DC should have just made a Justice League Beyond series with Superman returning from one of his intergalatic trips because to be honest I have seen enough Superman to last me a lifetime. I mean with Bruce, he still remains crucial to future even though his glory days are pretty much over. And by the way, has anyone noticed that Superman just takes these random trips to go find himself or explore other galaxies just for the hell of it. I mean what superhero does this. I can only assume that Lois is really comfortable with Clark's lifestyle.

As for other superheroes like the Flash, I agree a Flash Beyond series would be great to have since Flash constantly faces time travelling anomalies or chronological alterations which is brought on by rogues or heroes of the future or another ultimate crisis. In fact a Flash Beyond series could lead up to catalyst that can alter the New Earth reality with the Beyond future thus combining them. The reason why I bring up this possibility is because some users are hung up on the Kingdom Come reality or the fact that Terry will be trained by Damian according to Batman 700 or because the Beyond cartoon series has no connection to the New Earth. But realities are always being destroyed, altered and combined so why not combine New Earth with the Beyond future. Plus the Batman Beyond comic series has already introduced Hush, a New Earth character who was never mentioned or seen in any of the Batman cartoon series. To top it all off, at the end of Hush Beyond, a descendent of the Thawne family has already been introduced so a Flash Beyond series can happen.        

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Okay your all missing the best series possible that has already been established in this future and that is, STATIC BEYOND.

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I think it would be a great idea to have an original future character. Maybe a team or something to that affect, dc seems to do well when it comes to the cyber-punk scenarios so they should definitely explore the idea of expanding beyond just batman.
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Well wasn't there mention of an "Apokolips War" in this series??? Granted we never got to see it, unless the big final battle thingy from JLU was supposed to be that (but supposedly Ra's Al Ghul was supposed to "die" during then)... so who knows, maybe the Beyond universe is a possible future for the JLU universe and in one scenario more heroe died fighting Darkseid???

 

Granted, who knows what was originally meant to happen after Luthor and Darkseid disappeared... *shrugs*

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i'm with you Gman I'm totally ready for something new in the superhero verse of DC (Marvel too somewhat). The stories are being rinsed and recycled with retcons, parallel universes, jumping back and forth through time to create altered timelines. I want something solid ya know. We see an older Superman, but no Lois or Superboy. We know Green Lantern (John) and Hawkgirl had a kid and they most likely died in that war. I find it funny that Batman is the only known survivor of events (probably flees to the cave with things get bad). Anywho I say scrap the present day DC and focus on the Beyond DC storyline for a few years...take a chance people.

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@Soldier zero said:
Wonder Woman was mentioned a couple of times in the animation, once in the Static Shock crossover episode (Cobra asked to the warden about "the amazon") and once in the "Once and Future Thing" were she was listed among the victims when Cronos blasted the Watchtower.As a general rule I love legacy settings so I'm very interested to see more of the Beyond continuity.
i agree
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@abeyance said:
i'm with you Gman I'm totally ready for something new in the superhero verse of DC (Marvel too somewhat). The stories are being rinsed and recycled with retcons, parallel universes, jumping back and forth through time to create altered timelines. I want something solid ya know. We see an older Superman, but no Lois or Superboy. We know Green Lantern (John) and Hawkgirl had a kid and they most likely died in that war. I find it funny that Batman is the only known survivor of events (probably flees to the cave with things get bad). Anywho I say scrap the present day DC and focus on the Beyond DC storyline for a few years...take a chance people.
1. Lois died (In Superman/Batman Annual we saw her grave). And Superboy probably didn't even exist in DCAU (Bizarro and Galatea were the only clones of Kryptonians).
2. Don't insult Batman that he "fleed". He probably survived because he was a man with a contigency plan.
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@abeyance said: 
 i'm with you Gman I'm totally ready for something new in the superhero verse of DC (Marvel too somewhat). The stories are being rinsed and recycled with retcons, parallel universes, jumping back and forth through time to create altered timelines. I want something solid ya know. We see an older Superman, but no Lois or Superboy. We know Green Lantern (John) and Hawkgirl had a kid and they most likely died in that war. I find it funny that Batman is the only known survivor of events (probably flees to the cave with things get bad). Anywho I say scrap the present day DC and focus on the Beyond DC storyline for a few years...take a chance people.  
Batman "fleed to his cave" because he became an old man with a heart condition that forced him to use a gun to frighten off a thug beating him to death, you nimrod. Talk about missing a crucial plot point.
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Superman should be already resting in the yellow sun I think. For 15000 years cause Lois died

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