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Off My Mind: What Will The Return of Carnage Bring?

Who will be Carnage's new host? Will there be a host?

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Next month we're going to see the return of Carnage. I have to admit, I wasn't the biggest Carnage fan when he first debuted. This was when Venom was at his popularity and it seemed the decision was to make Venom...not so evil. Carnage, along with his host, Cletus Kasady was pure evil. He was simply a serial killer and given the power of a symbiote, there was no restrictions on what he would do. 
 
We know that during the break out at the Raft in the first New Avengers series, Sentry took Carnage into space and ripped him in half. There is some question as to whether or not Cletus was inside Carnage at the time. 
 
From Marvel's solicits, Cletus will not be the host for Carnage as the symbiote targets Spider-Man and Iron Man. We knew it was a matter of time until Carnage returned from the dead. As much as I didn't like Carnage, I can't say I'm exactly thrilled with the idea of 'it' having a new host. 
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The same could be said for Venom. I've always preferred Eddie Brock as Venom, even if he went a little soft. It goes back to perhaps trying to make him a more marketable character. Someone that threatens to "eat your brains" can't really be considered a hero.   
 
What will a new host mean for Carnage? There was apparently a rumor that the host would be female this time. We've already seen a female symbiote and the images for the covers of the first two issues don't suggest a female host.  
 
What kind of host could we expect once the suit finally finds one? Even though I wasn't a fan of Cletus, I do feel he should remain as Carnage. The idea of Carnage was a deadly symbiote. I'd hate to see some other random "killer" get bonded with Carnage and start things up again.  
 
The fact that Zeb Wells is writing the series gives me some hope. I would like to think that there is a nice game plan being set in motion and there's a reason that now is the time for the return of Carnage. It should be interesting to see what happens in this five issue mini series. Will we see Mac Gargan as Venom and Eddie Brock as Anti-Venom show up? Will we see a new host for Carnage? I'm really hoping this mini series changes how I feel about Carnage. I'm actually looking forward to it.

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Well i read the first issue already and from what i can tell shreik will be the new carnage but i say screw that!!! bring on the old carnage!
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When does this Carnage mini series come out?

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Ive always been a fan of Carnage more so than Venom. Dont get me wrong venom is still awesome but i just loved how much more sadistic carnage always was compared to venom... I definitely be picking this one up...

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@GERALD said:
"Carnage has always been a gimmicky knock off of Venom. Didn't they make him to kill off Brock's character?
 
I want to know what is the state of the VENOM symbiote after Seige. Does Mac still have it? Is it in confinement? Can we finally get a fcking replacement for Gargan?? Great as the Scorpion, not so much as Venom. "


1- Yes, they did. Obviously Marvel didn't approve. 
2- Far as we know, yes. 
3- We're going to, didn't you see the SDCC solicits? Gargan's returning to his role as Scorpion (with an awesome new outfit) soon.
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Carnage has always been a gimmicky knock off of Venom. Didn't they make him to kill off Brock's character?
 
I want to know what is the state of the VENOM symbiote after Seige. Does Mac still have it? Is it in confinement? Can we finally get a fcking replacement for Gargan?? Great as the Scorpion, not so much as Venom.

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Carnage always seemed pretty cool to me mainly because he was seemingly an upgrade from Venom who was already one of my favorite characters. But that's only power-wise, Venom still tops Carnage as an anti-Spidey icon.

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A female version of Carnage? Now that's a thought. I think it'll be great :D.

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@fesak said:
" Never was a big fan of Carnage, but Carnage: Mindbomb was awesome. "
No doubt dude, that's a good issue! I'm excited for his return, I'm curious what he'll get up to. Maybe it'll be The Sentry inside lol.
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@MuscularThighs said:
"I'd be much more excited if it was the return of Don Karnage. 
 
 
 
"

This.
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I thought making Venom more heroic was dumb.  Eddie Brock was an awesome Venom before that.  Carnage seemed to be Marvel trying to fix what they messed up.  They just didn't learn from their first mistake.  Venom was a deadlier form of Spider-Man, and popular, so they tried to hero him up to make him marketable, and his popularity dipped.  So they tried again with Carnage, and had a brief popularity explosion with him.  So they invent more, and the whole symbiote thing has been downhill since then, IMO. 
 
They did similar with Vengeance, in Ghost Rider.  They had a really cool series going, then introduced a villain that was a derivative copy of the hero, but he eclipsed GR in popularity for some reason, and I felt like that killed the series. 
 
I kind of feel like they're doing similar to Wolverine, with all the relatives he seems to have running around now.  I feel they should concentrate on the good thing they've got, instead of multiplying it and watering down the character's effect.

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Carnage without Cletus just isn't Carnage.

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Not much of symbiote fan, so don't really care about Carnage


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Anti-Carnage obviously,
he'll be green and white

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@CATMANEXE said:
" @fesak said:
" Never was a big fan of Carnage, but Carnage: Mindbomb was awesome. "
that was straight up the single best Carnage issue ever, and one of the best comics released under the House Of Ideas in it's year. "
Easily. That entire monologue was disturbing. My favorite part:
 
"I am the end of the world as we know it and I feel like a drink."
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Maybe we'll see Toxin again

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@fesak said:
" Never was a big fan of Carnage, but Carnage: Mindbomb was awesome. "
that was straight up the single best Carnage issue ever, and one of the best comics released under the House Of Ideas in it's year.
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@Cthulhudrew said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
The original symbiote was never a parasite, just as Eddie never originally had cancer until the retcon in 2003 changed that.   Now that that's out of the way, it would probably just drain off the energy that Morbius gets, which makes his parasitic urges all the stronger. "
The symbiote attached itself to Peter and was gradually taking control of his body. It thrived from the relationship, while leaving its host drained, exhausted, and threatening to consume his individuality entirely. That's a parasite pretty much by definition.  The cancer stuff is something else entirely, yes.  Morbius drains blood, so probably was a bad example on my part. How about someone like Selene, who drains victims differently. Would she feed off of the symbiote even as it used her; would their bond create a sort of closed circuit? "
In exchange for draining his power, it gave him new abilities. A parasitic relationship benefits the host in no way, whereas the symbiote's relationship greatly benefited him. No more webshooters, no more annoying costume changes, ETC
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@InnerVenom123 said:
The original symbiote was never a parasite, just as Eddie never originally had cancer until the retcon in 2003 changed that.   Now that that's out of the way, it would probably just drain off the energy that Morbius gets, which makes his parasitic urges all the stronger. "
The symbiote attached itself to Peter and was gradually taking control of his body. It thrived from the relationship, while leaving its host drained, exhausted, and threatening to consume his individuality entirely. That's a parasite pretty much by definition.
 
The cancer stuff is something else entirely, yes.
 
Morbius drains blood, so probably was a bad example on my part. How about someone like Selene, who drains victims differently. Would she feed off of the symbiote even as it used her; would their bond create a sort of closed circuit?
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Bring back Brock as Venom, no Marvel Anti-Hero early 1990's marketing.  If Mephisto Dr Strange Stark and Richards can undue what they did to SM, then make brock the twisted conflicted almost son of sam brain eater we all love.

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Carnage should combine with Deadpool,disregarding the symbiote dinosaur incident.

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I don't really know that much about Carnage from comics, but he was my favourite in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2
 
"You're spine; it's what's for dinner!"

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Have loved Carnage since day one.  He was ill-used and the art that handled his character at times was a catastophe.  But with the right writers and artists he did do well at times.  I am really looking forward to this title as it is in the hands of Zeb Wells.  Almost anything he writes is normally gonna keep ya coming back for more.  
 
Will Mat and Eddie show up?  I sure hope not.  That will totally destroy the story and murder the art as well.  It will be another superhero mashup that ends up meaning nothing.  They treated Carnage's initial death with no care, but in how he died, they left it wide open.  I really hope they do this one right and handle it with kid gloves.
 
I also hope this changes your feelings and opinion on the character as it seems you never really gave him a chance Tony.  Its possible that you share some of the feelings that I have, the fact that he was never used to his full potential or you just wrote him off since day one...who knows.  
 
 " Sentry took Carnage into space and ripped him in half. "  This leaves the door right open for his return anyhow.  The symbiote would not die since it survived in space, but Cletus on the other hand would have be ripped from it and died there is space.  It then would live as its purest form.  I don't like that fact that Iron Man is along for the ride.  I think he is just a filler to provoke another villan to show up to give him something to do.  I think this story should be really gritty, dark and gory with Spider-man stripped down to the bone against a thirsty, hungry, will stop at nothing till your dead Doomsday attitude.  Zeb overall will probably take care of this story, but I think this one should be raw, gritty and have it treated with a serious tone like the death of Superman.  Marvel has a tendency to start off well, but end up with a Mickey mouse ending to many things.  
 
p.s. Marvel, you better not screw this up. 

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@skullduggery pleasant said:
" i think the return of carnage might bring... carnage? "
Judges are ruling........yes.......yes, it's official...LLLLAAAAAAAAAME
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Lets see here 
Ares is getting resuerected 
captian america came out of his limbo stage when everyone thought he was actauly "dead" 
now Carnage is getting resuerected 
So....Why is Abomination not getting resuerected? i mean realy this guy has been dead longer then any of these guys (CA does not count for 1 obviouse resone....HE NEVER ACTUALY DIED) abomination needs to coem back he was awsome and it would be nice to see how he and Abomb would interact with each other.
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i think the return of carnage might bring... carnage?

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Now I've never read any sort of Comic Book in my life but I got to say it the art in these books can be amazing.

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love the fact that theyre bringin my boy back. not fond of the new host deal thou.

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@Cthulhudrew said:
"Since the symbiote is a parasite, what would happen if it attached itself to similarly parasitic host, like Morbius?  Discuss. "

The original symbiote was never a parasite, just as Eddie never originally had cancer until the retcon in 2003 changed that.  
 
Now that that's out of the way, it would probably just drain off the energy that Morbius gets, which makes his parasitic urges all the stronger.
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Since the symbiote is a parasite, what would happen if it attached itself to similarly parasitic host, like Morbius?
 
Discuss.

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i happened to like carnage but never really thought he lived up to his full potential. undecided about this series yet though.

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I think he is an alright villain but it was kinda obvious they were going to bring him back anyway.
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Actually I like this idea. This will make Carnage a morewholesome character, and besides I don't think Carnage being female isn't going to  change him, or her too much
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If you didn't notice... Marvel has just been benching people recently. 
 Thor, Cap, Hawkeye, Eddie Brock and various others have been benched, The Hulk was shot into space!
 Black Panther as the King without Fear is just like Incredible Hercules! When a character is out of play... his fans come out of the woodwork. Cletus Kassidy was a joke, he had no bearing in Spiderman's mythos... If Harry had become Carnage, he'd been received better

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I like the art, but not sure if I like the idea of another character coming back 
If I can make one criticism of comics, it's that a character never stays dead for too long

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i agree with you emerald @Emerald Dragonfly said:
" STOP GETTING CHARACTERS BACK, STOP REBORNING/RESPAWNING/RECONSTRUCTING/CLONING THEM ETC. BECAUSE THIS IS STUPID "
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i like the way they developed eddies character into an anti-hero, and made the venom symbiote and mac reveal their true colors.  those were some great stories.  carnage was always a second-rate venom and kinda annoying--we only got development in the venom storylines after carnage died.  Furthermore, i love the scene where sentry kills carnage and i think it was so important it should be kept that way.  i guess im ok with cletus coming back, just not as carnage.  I would actually like to see cletus take the toxin suit and do something with that character.  
maybe the new carnage is really toxin gone over the edge.

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I love symbiotes so... Id love to see more on Toxin, especially would have been fun more in the Civil War, because he was a Pro-Registrant...

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@KasadyCarnage said:
" If it's a female I'll be sad ='(... because... Carnage isn' t exactly a feminane name... "
 
I wish my girl friends name was Carnage :(

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I just said he should come back. 
 
He should come back and so should, Cletus Kasady.  
 

    
 

 

  

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@iLLituracy:
Ha! Clever! I forgot that both characters had feminine looking versions and not so feminine looking versions! Nice work! :P
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i like him

dont make him a girl

keep it the way it is

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@InnerVenom123 said:
" @abysofpride said:
" @KasadyCarnage said:
" If it's a female I'll be sad ='(... because... Carnage isn' t exactly a feminane name... also CLETUS IS CARNAGE! People need to learn that. He will ALWAYS be the true Carnage and should STAY Carnage "
Agree with your opinion, I would be sad if it was a different character or it was a female. I mean seriously who wants a Female Venom? Or A Female Goblin? Or a Female Juggernaut. "

Female Venom 
 

Ann Weying (She-Venom)
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Female Goblin 
 

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Even though they don't look it, both of these are also women versions of Venom and the Goblin.
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@Cafeterialoca said:
" @KasadyCarnage said:
" If it's a female I'll be sad ='(... because... Carnage isn' t exactly a feminane name...
Sexist much?"

I stand by my statement.
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@KasadyCarnage said:
" If it's a female I'll be sad ='(... because... Carnage isn' t exactly a feminane name...
Sexist much?
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@abysofpride said:
" @KasadyCarnage said:
" If it's a female I'll be sad ='(... because... Carnage isn' t exactly a feminane name... also CLETUS IS CARNAGE! People need to learn that. He will ALWAYS be the true Carnage and should STAY Carnage "
Agree with your opinion, I would be sad if it was a different character or it was a female. I mean seriously who wants a Female Venom? Or A Female Goblin? Or a Female Juggernaut. "

Female Venom 
 

Ann Weying (She-Venom)
Ann Weying (She-Venom)

Female Goblin 
 

 
 

   
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@KasadyCarnage said:
" If it's a female I'll be sad ='(... because... Carnage isn' t exactly a feminane name... also CLETUS IS CARNAGE! People need to learn that. He will ALWAYS be the true Carnage and should STAY Carnage "
Agree with your opinion, I would be sad if it was a different character or it was a female. I mean seriously who wants a Female Venom? Or A Female Goblin? Or a Female Juggernaut.
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I'm a huge Venom & Carnage fan. But mostly a Venom one. I don't like how Mac Gargan is now the new Venom. I'm sorry he'll always be the Scorpion to me. He should stay as the Scorpion. Not steal another Spider-Man villain's duds. It's just lame & pathetic. So for me Brock will always be the one true villain. It's like back when there were freaking how many different guys who were Green Goblin. You don't need to have 5 or 6 different guys. The 2 true Green Goblins were Norman & Harry and that's it. So it's the same with Carnage. Only Cletus is the real deal not some other joke trying to steal his identity.
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I liked Carnage as a character back in the day, but I don't really see the need for him to make a return.  Certainly, there's potential for this to be a good series, and I hope it is.  But right now, it feels too much like a way to rope in sales from fans of the 90's comics.

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@Dracade102 said:
"@Power NeXus said:
"He got ripped in half.     In space.      How the f**k do you come back from that? "
Lazy Writing. "

Well, using Bendis's back door would have been lazy. Inventing a new way isn't lazy. =P
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@Power NeXus said:
"He got ripped in half.     In space.      How the f**k do you come back from that? "

Lazy Writing.