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Off My Mind: What Type of Prison is Needed For Supervillains?

Ordinary jails simply are not capable of holding them.

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In the world of superheroes and supervillains, things are pretty different. Not just in terms of people having superpowers but in everyday living. Comic books often focus on the superhero battles along with the lives and events of the superheroes. We don't often see too much of a focus on what happens after the superhero battle.

As with normal crimes, there are different levels of crimes and bad guys. When a supervillain's scheme to take over the world or even to just rob a bank fails, some thought needs to be made as to what to do with them. For some villains, locking them up in a normal prison is still an option. If they relied on fancy gadgets and technology, the authorities just need to take them away. Other villains contain a deadly level of power inside them and would need to be incarcerated elsewhere.

We have seen different types of prisons over the years in comic books. When it comes to the level of crime an destruction villains are capable of, an ordinary prison is out of the question. With questions of civil rights and safety to civilians in the area, what is the best prison for supervillains?

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The Raft

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If you're going to have to deal with supervillains, you're going to need a super-prison. The idea of the Raft is similar to the concept of Alcatraz or Rikers Island. Put a prison out away from the population. In the middle of the ocean or bay, if a prisoner managed to escape, surviving the icy cold waters and being able to swim to shore would not be possible, unless the prisoner had water-based powers. The Raft is also full of the latest in technology. Each prison cell is modified to deal with and neutralize any superpower the prisoner has.

The Raft is not without its faults. All it took was Electro, a villain Spider-Man had mopped the floor with time and time again, to begin a full scale prison breakout. His electrical powers were enough to put the prison out of commission. That was a pretty big flaw.

Even if there was a way to ensure someone like Electro couldn't exploit that weakness, there's always the chance that the villain imprisoned has a power that no one knows about. They might be ready for superstrength or the ability to fly but what do they do if the prisoner has another secret and deadly power?

We also saw that the Raft has some hidden cells. Sentry had himself locked away for the safety of the world but the question is, who knew he was locked up there? If someone with the power of a million burning suns could be contained without the public being aware, who knows who else might be locked up? Villains should throw away their rights when committing horrible acts but that's just not how the justice system works.

The Negative Zone/42

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During Civil War (and in the Avengers animated series), Reed Richards, Hank Pym and Tony Stark built a prison inside the Negative Zone. The only way in or out is through a portal.

If a prisoner manages to escape, they don't have a place to run to unless they are able open or get someone to open a portal for themselves.

Again, there are some problems with this. The Negative Zone is in another dimension. There should be some coordination with any of the locals. You can't just build a prison unless you can get permission. Of course no one will want a prison in their neighborhood.

What about the rights of the villain? Would this prison be permanent or a temporary solution? Will prisoners here be allowed any visitors?

Similar to the prison in the Negative Zone is the Phantom Zone. Kryptonians just dumped their bad guys here for years before Krypton blew up.

A Pym Particle Prison/The Big House

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The location of a prison is important. Human rights advocates will need to be able to inspect the prison if they feel it's necessary. People don't want prisons in their communities especially if the threat of deadly villains escaping is a possibility. Why not have Hank Pym shrink down a prison and the prisoners?

Having the prison in a smaller scale allows for easier storage and management. If the villains are able to escape, they're going to be pretty tiny. Prisons costs can be expensive as well, especially if you need to buy real estate to build it. What was the cost to build a prison in the Negative Zone? With a smaller version, you could save a lot of money on building materials. Unless the technology needed could only be built at full size.

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Many are playing the current Batman video game. The idea of turning half of a city into a prison might be a little extreme but there are some good ideas here. With the prisoners contained to an entire city, there is more to keep them occupied and trying escape a city might be harder than trying to escape an asylum.

Of course one of Hugo Strange's hope is some of the villains could end up killing each other off. That could make managing a vast amount of prisoners easier. If you checked on them after a while and there were less alive, that's less costs you'd have to worry about.

Of course, letting prisoners kill each other isn't acceptable.

There have been plenty of other prisons such as the Vault, the Cube, Blackgate, Iron Heights, Hell Planet and various ones in future Elseworld stories. None of them proved to be escape proof. Having a prison in another dimension seems to be the most ideal and extreme way to deal with deadly supervillains. It might call their rights into question but if they're going to threaten or try to take over the world, maybe they've already thrown their rights away. It could be costly to build a prison in another dimension. You'd have to find someone willing to work there. You'd also have to hope any inhabitants of the dimension are okay with our criminal element being dumped off there.

The only other option is the death penalty. But that never happens in comics because no one ever really dies.

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Arkham is horrible.

The Negative Zone/42 is perfect.

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doesn't arkham asylum have a portal to the fable world of cthulu to the town of arkham from cthulu/lovecraft mythology?

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what about the X-men's prison?

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All of those prisons are more porous than a sieve.
 
The Null Void is where it's at.

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Death is a pretty good prison.

Some of these villains are mass murderers. Prisons are supposed to make a person serve time and pay a debt to society so that they potentially reform themselves. Prison barely works for NORMAL people so I highly doubt a supervillain would get out of prison and not try and commit mass murder again.

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Hmm- NOBODY seems to have escaped from the Negative Zone prison to date( even you do escape, where do you go and how can you return to Earth from the NZ- but be patient, if people can escape from Siberian prison camps( pace Slavomir Rawicz's "The Long Walk") the Maze Prison in NI and the Berlin Wall, then common sense indicates that it's just a matter of time before human ingenuity finds a way!

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Dr. Strangefate's prison was pretty crafty....

A reformed pocket universe version of the Amalgam reality he lorded over and was obsessed with preserving with Strangefate placed within

believing he had achieved victory and re-merged the DC and Marvel universe, left there with the hope he would never figure this out. Now that's

a pretty intuitive cell, though given the extent of the villain's powers nothing else would have really been plausible.

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@THEBlaqueBasterd said:

some worryin shit brought up here..even in a run of thw mill hypothetical comic book context...ie: "some of the villains could end up killing each other off. That could make managing a vast amount of prisoners easier. If you checked on them after a while and there were less alive, that's less costs you'd have to worry about." ....Seriously ..WTF.. Am I the only one that blinked when they read that?!

Totally agree on this... most posts have commented that the prisoners have either lost their rights as human beings or should not even be given the same rights as normal civilians. How about if the criminal was really innocent (since this is a comic book forum, let's say mind controlled, doppleganger, blackmailed to doing genocide, or was caught at the wrong time at the wrong place?)... My thoughts, make a prison not reflecting real world conditions (like the Guantanamo Bay or like ones based on movies like Escape from New York).

Most comments here reveal how pampered and unexposed to reality comic book lovers are. Yes, comics as a media is a way to escape reality, but now that most comic book writers reflect what happens in the real world, it somehow diffuses the escapist nature of it all. Sadly, though this is a discussion about how a fictional thing would work best for the story, it exposes how unfeeling we can regard for someone who may have crossed the other side, be it by intent or by accident.

Like I said, since this is a work of fiction, writers shouldn't imitate or emulate how the real world prison works... best idea of the bunch was the pym particle prison. It's both effective and humorous at the same time. And yes, categorize prisoners by powered, non-powered.

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It seems weird, because no matter where you put a villain, sooner or later they're gonna break out. Hell, Checkmate kicked all of the Villains asses to a Alien Planet, and they still found a way off, but hey, maybe that Supermax idea David S Goyer had may work.

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Double Secret Probation.

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@Migz13 said:

They should all just be given the good ol...

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yes.... JUSTICE is done.

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1) Mandatory death penalty: Kill them if the villain has killed multiple innocents

2) The Phantom Zone

3) Remove or neutralize their powers, if possible and not too expensive, and send them to a regular prison

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I prefer shrinking the villains and putting them in small prisons XD I like the show avengers mightiest hero's it's cooler than the comics!

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@Blacklightning13 said:

Phantom zone was pretty effective but not very humane.

Here's some ideas I have for a great superprison:

1. Thick walls all the walls are made of steel thats fire proof and doesn't conduct electricity.

2. Prohibitors that turn off superpowers this wouldn't work in all cases and not to full effect always.

3. Power specific defensive such as ice guns for fire villians etc and the cells could be cooles to about 20 degrees celcius.

4. Power specific cell blocks. such as all the ice villians in one cell block so there are fire/heat based defenses for that cell block.

5. super guards. have all the guards be top of the line and fuly lethal so there is no "Freeze, you are under arrest" I've seen dozens of cops die with there enemies at gun point. They would be more "bang!" that's it the bad guys dead. The tech for the guards should also be top of the line so science police of cape killers or something like that. Also have a few super guards so have a c or b-lister or 2 at every prison.

6. On an island. You could have an island with nothing but aerial access so there is a 2000 km gap between the prison and civilisation. But have the planes or helicopters have to be called in so theres no highjacking.

7. No leyway. Solitary confinement all day. No cell mates. But give them a tv or something in there cell. The more bored you get the more pissed you get the more pissed you get the more violent you get. No exercise time at all so more supervision.

8. Sedated Food. Give them a one good meal a day with sedative so they are less active for the day. less active they are the less dangerous they are.

9. no guard or staff contact so they don't develop a hate or love of a person on the other side.

10. Spread out prisons. You don't want all the supervillian buddies being together. Have 20 superprisons instead of 3.

11. Chips in there bodies. Have a chip in there brain or something so that if they get out of line they can be electrocuted.

12. Let the JLA and JSA or if marvel the Avengers and fantastic Four know the locations to the prisons so they can help out in event of a breakout.

I think if a prison or series of prisons followed these rules then a breakout would be far harder.

Some very good ideas here. Especially #2. Not so sure about #8 but other than that it's good.

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Arkham City is a great game. But it's one of the suckiest ideas for a prison... EVER!

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@Xaviersx: awesome that a great idea why hasnt anybody thought of that

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Plan and simple put a bullet in between the eyes

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Just put Frank in charge of the rehabilitation program. His solution is the only real solution.

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"Why don't they get the death penalty? Why are prisons so easy to break out of?" Because we're talking about fictional characters in serialized storytelling, that's why. Suspension of disbelief, people. It's why you can read stories where genetic mutation means you can read minds or where radiation gives you amazing powers. It's why implausible and outright impossible technology is used on a regular basis. You know what happens when you kill off those villains? You need new villains to replace them. And to sum that whole thing up, which villain would you prefer to read about -- Doctor Octopus or Lady Octopus?

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The death penalty, complete with "anti-resurrection" specialists that wipe out all psychic echoes, DNA traces, temporal echoes and computer backups of said villains.

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@allison_scag: Why not have a prison implemented where the guards are super heroes rather than your standard run of the mill Gotham city police officers ?

Perfect

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Phantom zone was pretty effective but not very humane.

Here's some ideas I have for a great superprison:

1. Thick walls all the walls are made of steel thats fire proof and doesn't conduct electricity.

2. Prohibitors that turn off superpowers this wouldn't work in all cases and not to full effect always.

3. Power specific defensive such as ice guns for fire villians etc and the cells could be cooles to about 20 degrees celcius.

4. Power specific cell blocks. such as all the ice villians in one cell block so there are fire/heat based defenses for that cell block.

5. super guards. have all the guards be top of the line and fuly lethal so there is no "Freeze, you are under arrest" I've seen dozens of cops die with there enemies at gun point. They would be more "bang!" that's it the bad guys dead. The tech for the guards should also be top of the line so science police of cape killers or something like that. Also have a few super guards so have a c or b-lister or 2 at every prison.

6. On an island. You could have an island with nothing but aerial access so there is a 2000 km gap between the prison and civilisation. But have the planes or helicopters have to be called in so theres no highjacking.

7. No leyway. Solitary confinement all day. No cell mates. But give them a tv or something in there cell. The more bored you get the more pissed you get the more pissed you get the more violent you get. No exercise time at all so more supervision.

8. Sedated Food. Give them a one good meal a day with sedative so they are less active for the day. less active they are the less dangerous they are.

9. no guard or staff contact so they don't develop a hate or love of a person on the other side.

10. Spread out prisons. You don't want all the supervillian buddies being together. Have 20 superprisons instead of 3.

11. Chips in there bodies. Have a chip in there brain or something so that if they get out of line they can be electrocuted.

12. Let the JLA and JSA or if marvel the Avengers and fantastic Four know the locations to the prisons so they can help out in event of a breakout.

I think if a prison or series of prisons followed these rules then a breakout would be far harder.

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Death is the only certainty, and truth be told it would be the fitting punishment for a lot of the super villians... but then we wouldn't have conflict :P

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Phantom Zone

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@SpidermanWins said:

@jordama said:

@ArtisticNeedham said:

A Virtual Reality Helmet
A Virtual Reality Helmet

A virtual one, where the criminals are in suspended animation while rehabilitating programs and put into their minds like in Demolition Man (only set in the Negative Zone or the Phantom Zone).

That is actually what the X-Men were doing for a while.

@ArtisticNeedham said:

That's a great Idea

@jordama: Ah,...why didn't they give that to SHIELD so the could use it in their prisons on Rikers and such?

The X-Men don't share with others well?

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Truthfully no prison is going to be enough to hold supervillains in indefinitely. Eventually they find a way out, whether by direct or indirect means. Maybe the true prison that is needed for supervillains is the kind of "prison" that the Leader and company put under Doom when they basically fried his brain up and rendered him mentally lame? Not that that stuck of course, but it does provide the kind of incarceration that is needed if one is held within the confines of one's mind. But I shall not become the existentialist philosopher in this thread. In the end, no prison will truly hold villains in for as long as we would want it to.

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Recreate the prison system from Civil War, within the Negative Zone. In addition, sanction cloning and execution, so each month a clone of a prisoner can be made an "example of". All prisoners must wear "power inhibitor" collars, that activate upon rising pulse rates.

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Superjail!

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The justice lords lobotomized their villains. It works on them.

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A grave. Seriously some of these guys have killed how many people? Yea, death penalty. However this is comics and no one ever dies....

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No mention of the Thunderbolts when it comes to the Raft? COME ON!

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The only other option is the death penalty. But that never happens in comics because no one ever really dies.

Really, G-Man? No character deaths?

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@jordama said:

@ArtisticNeedham said:

A Virtual Reality Helmet
A Virtual Reality Helmet

A virtual one, where the criminals are in suspended animation while rehabilitating programs and put into their minds like in Demolition Man (only set in the Negative Zone or the Phantom Zone).

That is actually what the X-Men were doing for a while.

@ArtisticNeedham said:

That's a great Idea

@jordama: Ah,...why didn't they give that to SHIELD so the could use it in their prisons on Rikers and such?

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@Marshal Victory said:

@EisforExtinction:
Was just gona post that..


Answer: A good one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superjail!_(TV_series)
Much could be learned from Superjail.
one could say ( donts sun glasses over regular glasses) its a winning idea....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N1KIO2ttow It would be crazy enuff in their i dont think the joker would ever want to leave.

Pretty redundant but really is a good one, if you escape of prison u have to escape of the volcano for more later get out of a bigger volcano I get tired of just hearing it,

I´m just too lazy for escape of a place like that :P (well isn't called super jail for anything)

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Why not have a prison implemented where the guards are super heroes rather than your standard run of the mill Gotham city police officers ?

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One problem with prisons in the "comics continuum" is, for the most part, superheroes throw supervillains into jail, but very few powerful people act as wardens or jail guards and superjails have to rely a lot on technology and mundane prison guards.  Imagine if Superman moonlighted as a prison guard instead of a reporter.

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Prisons:

1. On a different planet / moon (especially someplace where escaping means no breathing)

2. In a different dimension (where escaping means, you ain't getting home without the mothership or the mother teleport . . )

3. Microsized . . . so tiny that germs are larger and scarier to them. . . . absorbed by a virus cyrus.

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arkham city is terrible criminals always break out of there so i would say the pym if the prisoner are small they cant do crap

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@Fantasgasmic: It's about length of the article. Some might not want to read me ramble on and on. I also mentioned "various ones in future Elseworld stories." I didn't want to go into Kingdom Come or mention Pluto from DC One Million. Those would require even more explanation for those that might not have read them. Also, by leaving some things out, that gives you guys something to add.

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no jail, just kill them all :l

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The prison Danger runs on utopia seems to be pretty solid.

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I always thought it would be interesting if a section of Themyscira was turned into a prison and protected by the Amazons and the Greek Gods.

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A small one room cell with a severely used cosmic cube powered electric chair.

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@HunterGP02 said:
It would be interesting to see a story arc where a super villian gets sentenced to death.
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It would be interesting to see a story arc where a super villian gets sentenced to death.

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i personally think the Phantom Zone is the best prison, there's no way for them to escape except by outside interference with a projector, destroy all of those, and they're trapped for good...theoretically 

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@Full_Spectrum: The Joker has executed more cops and civilians then any homeland terrorist. The nation would find a way to accidentally kill this guy "We're pretty good at doing that".

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@Botiste said:

My question is why hasn't the Joker been executed? Any other child murderer, rapist, or terrorist would have been. The Joker is the Bin Laden of comics.

The key difference being that Joker is ridiculously easy to find.

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Was just gona post that..
 
 
Answer: A good one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superjail!_(TV_series)
Much could be learned from Superjail.
one could say ( donts sun glasses over regular glasses) its a winning idea....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N1KIO2ttow
    
 
  It would be crazy enuff in their i dont think the joker would ever want to leave.
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