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Off My Mind: What Exactly Is Batman, Inc About?

Why does Batman feel the need to start a franchise now?

 Batman & Mr. Unknown, the Batman of Japan
 Batman & Mr. Unknown, the Batman of Japan
We all know that a new comic is coming out next month called Batman, Inc. When Bruce Wayne finally returns from his journey through time, he's not going to take time off for a vacation. He's going to start up "Batman, Inc." This is said to mark the "next stage of evolution for the Dark Knight." We know that this new "team" will include Batman, Dick Grayson, Knight and Squire, El Gaucho and eight others. 
 
I absolutely trust Grant Morrison's writing but I have to wonder what is Bruce thinking? He's usually a loner, besides hanging with Robin (will Damian be included in this "team" since he's going to be hanging with the Teen Titans?). Batman's Outsiders team never really seemed to work out for him and we know what happened before with the Justice League.  
 
Why does Batman want to make a franchise out of himself now? 
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Perhaps his recent adventures through time have changed him a bit. Maybe now he's seeing things in a different way. I hope and would imagine he's still the same motivated and determined Batman. He could be looking at a bigger picture now. Over the summer I wrote about whether or not Batman could ever end crime in Gotham City. He could be looking at how to attack crime all over the world. We've seen the Batmen of All Nations before but they weren't really guided by Batman. Batman, Inc could be his way to have more of a say in their training and methods. 
 
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Does the world need more than one Batman? We know Gotham will potentially have both Bruce and Dick (unless Bruce will be running all over the world meeting with all these other Batmen). It's going to be weird having Bruce back and jumping right into forming this team. Of course we'll have other Bat-titles where he won't necessarily be working with these other bat-dudes but don't you think "Batman, Inc" is a little egotistical? I suppose he has the right to name the team after him since he is so cool.

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Edited By 5ive

its way too much going on. just another excuse for another title for a popular name

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Okay? That seems kind of weird.... 
 
Why Batman inc and not use the Outsiders tittle? After all he created them, no? 
 
And who the heck are Knight, Squirrel, Gaucho and Unknown? Ive never heard of them O_O

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This whole storyline was already done in 2009 in the pages of The Web. I can't believe that this plot is already being recycled.

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Personally I kind of hoped they would take the return of Bruce Wayne slower. Ya know, kind of have him adjust to being back to the present (Or is it Back To The Future? :p) before he just jumps right back into action. I still have faith that this book will be done well because Grant Morrison is doing it
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See, I told you.   
 
Morrison = Crap. 
 
Does anybody care about the orphans, the knight/ squire, and the INC.   
 
ANSWER:  NOPE 
 
I'm calling it.  Those books will be cancelled if they're regular books.  He's jump the shark.  The Road home has got to be better than time travel bats but, I have a feeling that this will be crap too?   
 
There is only ONE BATMAN  and his name is:  Bruce Wayne.
  
What's wrong with Nightwing???  What's wrong with  Cassandra Cain as Batgirl??? 
 
Why you keep f%$king with my childhood DC?  Just STOP already. 
 
Seriously.
 
Now, that new Finch Bat book I'll get all day.

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Looks the the League of Batman , only with more members and more organized 

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I'd invest in Batman Inc, it sounds recession proof.  In seriousness though, I don't see this as a massive long term thing such as Justice League but you never know.  I always liked the way, for Batman, it's Gotham first League second.  
 
On a side note, (I think it was a previous G-man OMM) the return to the yellow isignia was what I grew up thinking was the original.  (Actually I thought the 'it's a target to draw fire where I'm armoured best' was a smart little retcon) I'm just glad being more of a Batfan than a Superfan there was never a strange alternative like Supes' Bowie-esque blue costume.  Zur-En-Arrh doesn't count under the mental health act.
 
Unless I'm mistaken?

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I've always liked the Batmen of Many Nations idea - they did the same thing with Green Arrow (GA did all the same stuff that Batman did).  If this is a reinvention of that, I'll be curious to see that eventually, but as it stands now, I don't care about this Batman Inc. story at all.  I like Batman, but this story is just kind of meh, from the sounds of it.

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im calm, i trust Morrison. its juat that, wheres the rest of the Return of Bruce Wayne?

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Ive read practically every thread here, and heres wot i think (yes i fugred we'd all give our two cents)
 
First of all.... yes Batman isnt as much as loner as everyone goes on.. but he still is a loner within the team.. hes still cold to the people closest.. my biggest problem.... all these years Dick and Tim have been all "oh am i ready to be Batman.. not sure... fillin in the big shoes" typa thing.. and now all of a sudden theres gonna be a few of em... If theyre all gonna be wearin batsuits... ur definitely takin Batman as an entity and wearin it thin.... Also Bats clashes with his own team... his immediate family... wot makes anybody think these ppl are gonna follow orders and Bruce will have his way?.. i like the idea that these people will still be their own personas, but will be under the 'bat banner' that makes sense.... Also people are sayin wots the problem with havin more batmen.. theres already a few flashes, and GLs and Wolverine has 12 comics... but thats why Batmans Batman, hes not absolutely everywhere... i genuinely believe his team is evenly scattered... 
 Another point, there are so many heroes which arent gettin enough viewing these days, instead of bringin in Knight and Squire who im not too keen on to be a batman, whatever happened to people who haven been around for the distance.. i.e. Katana (maybe a crap example) but people who have been around, who can fit into a team.... I also agree that Batmans team is fine the way it is... And i really dont understand people who say Bruce cant do it alone therefore hes gonna build a team... its a story... wot happeens when he builds a batmen team... its just gonna be bat-police... the reason Batman and the bat-family works is because theres always work to be done... If u have Batmen, then what.. u gonna have batmen on monitor duty in the cave?? yes i know theyre gonna have them in different cities, but a Batman wouldnt work in Metropolis... ... would it work in London? or Japan? or Key stone?? Also, if Batman, Robin, Nightwing (sometimes) and Batgirl all in Gotham, having 1 Batman per another city wouldnt make any difference... The bat family are the best triained for this.. and even 4 of them struggle to hold down 1 city... . thats why theres plenty to write about....itd be a better idea to take a team like the Outsiders and spread them out....  itll come out.. itll work for a bit... then just like the outsiders and JLA, Batman will disband the team... and itll be pointless... but will join the Batman legend as being different... thats its only saving grace... Bruce as Batman, Dick as Nightwing or if u really want Batman of Bludhaeven... He can then take Damian as his robin and and they can take Stephanie as theyr Batgirl, and Bruce can have tim and Cassandra as his batgirl... thats 2 teams, just liek checkmate... (i brought Cassandra in coz shes kick ass)...
 
Many people wont agree but thats my opinion...

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See, I could really get into Batman operating on a global scale.  However, I don't really see it working as well if Batman still leads the double life as Bruce Wayne.  I mean, it could still work but it seems a little flimsy. 
 
Admittedly, one thing I've never quite understood is why people (Batman too) can't deal with the thought of his secret identity being revealed.  I mean, the reason usually given for why a super-hero can't reveal their identity is that it would endanger those close to them.  But Bruce is already a prominent figure and thus both he and his assocates are often targeted by some crazed super-villain.  Moreover, he has made sure that everybody he comes into contact with has the means to defend themselves. 
 
Now, it could be argued that revealing his identity would sort of ... I don't know ... diminsh the effect of the Batman.  I mean, if Batman's a symbol, then revealing the man underneath the cowl sort of humanizes him.  But I don't think that has to be true.  First of all, if Batman is a symbol, then he is so much more than a single man, even one like Bruce.  If it's the symbol that criminals fear, then it shouldn't have to matter who bears that symbol.  If it's the man they fear, well ... it's still the same guy.  Second, knowing the identity of somebody doesn't necessarily dimish their "coolness" factor.  Take for example Nick Fury in Marvel comics.  Everyone knows who he is, but he still manages to be this mysterious and enigmatic badass, a real scary guy.  Why couldn't the same be true with Bruce? 
 
The thing people (myself included) keep forgetting is that Batman doesn't have to be a loner per se.  He just needs to be the one in charge.  The Bat is very much a leader, and he can't play second fiddle to the likes of Superman and Wonder Woman.  It's not that he can't work well with others, it's that others can't work well with him.  He knows best, he knows what's right, he knows what has to be done, and he's not willing to compromise in order to cater to the self-indulgent hero fantasies that most of his contemporaries suffer from.  When Batman's part of a team, he naturally fills the role of the leader.  He's a general sending troops into battle.  The problem with the Bat-Family is that's the rest view themselves as ... well ... a family.  A team.  A gathering of equals.  But they aren't equals.  They're soldiers.  That doesn't mean Bruce doesn't care about them.  He does, very much.  They are family to him.  But as Nightwing, or Robin, or Batgirl, or whoever, they must be seen as resources, to be deployed as he sees fit.  It doesn't work if they view themselves as partners, and this is where much of the conflict within the Bat-Family has always come from.  The idea of Batman, Inc. sets forth that sort of command structure.  This way, Batman can operate effectively, and actually meet his true potential.  Don't get me wrong.  I love Batman fighting crime in Gotham City, but he is so much more than a street-level vigilante. 
 
My biggest problem here is where does this leave Batman's villains?  I mean, some of them could still make sense fighting the true Batman.  Poison Ivy, Bane, Ra's Al Ghul ... they all make sense on a global scale (even if they aren't all that interesting compared to the Bat's other villains).  But honestly, I'm afraid that people like Penguin, Riddler, Two-Face, and even Scarecrow might not fit with this new direction.   I suppose they could still operate in Gotham, business-as-usual.  They might even be able to step up their game to better work with (or, rather, against) the new system.  But I feel that it's very important these villains still have the chance to veture into battle with their hated foe.  They've more than earned that right over the years, and to get saddled with Dicky Bat is a little insulting (sorry to all the Grayson fans out there, but I'm trying to make a point - I prefer Bruce a lot more, but I don't mind Grayson as much as it sounds like I do). 
 
As a side note, I'm still waiting for Two-Face to appear as part of the Bat-Family.  I had really been excited about the prospect of him becoming Batman's successor.  That would have been unexpected and could have been really interesting.  Dick taking on the cowl was pretty obvious, and I was utterly disappointed with Battle for the Cowl because of that.  Maybe Two-Face (or Harvey Dent) will have the chance to be invovled in Batman, Inc.?  Doubtubtful, but I can still hope.
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@vincethekid said:
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See, I told you.   
 
Morrison = Crap. 
 
Does anybody care about the orphans, the knight/ squire, and the INC.   
 
ANSWER:  WELL CONSIDERING HE'S ONE OF DC'S MOST CRITICALLY AND COMMERCIALLY SUCCESSFUL WRITERS AND HIS BATMAN TITLES OFTEN OUTSELL EVERYTHING ELSE RELEASED IN THE SAME WEEK, PROBABLY AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE CARE ABOUT THIS.

"

 
Fixed it for you. :)
 
And the Knight and Squire are evidently popular enough to warrant their own miniseries...
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dc should fire morrison and hire Nolan co to write Batman comic

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That "I am Batman" picture is awsome! What's that from?

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It's simple:  even the government is going bankrupt, so Batman's gotta do something for job security and income.

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@vincethekid said:
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See, I told you.   
 
Morrison = Crap. 
 
Does anybody care about the orphans, the knight/ squire, and the INC.   
 
ANSWER:  NOPE 
 
I'm calling it.  Those books will be cancelled if they're regular books.  He's jump the shark.  The Road home has got to be better than time travel bats but, I have a feeling that this will be crap too?   
 
There is only ONE BATMAN  and his name is:  Bruce Wayne.
  
What's wrong with Nightwing???  What's wrong with  Cassandra Cain as Batgirl??? 
 
Why you keep f%$king with my childhood DC?  Just STOP already. 
 
Seriously.
 
Now, that new Finch Bat book I'll get all day.

"
People like you are part of the reason why comic books are losing readership. Stuck in your inane delusions that your childhood experiences of characters are the "true" ones, you b**** and moan at DC to keep characters the way you remember them. How can new readership ever develop when writers constantly cater to "continuity" and the comforts of a rapidly diminishing cross-section? 
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@CosmicSpiral:  Piracy and alternative forms of entertainment are probably a bigger contributors.  If your thesis was true, then Marvel, Image, Wildstorm, etc. wouldn't be losing readership along with DC.
 
When 25% of your readership is over 65, their desires are relevant and nothing to sneeze at (no one sensible would blow off a quarter of their market)... especially since they're paying for content.  Companies can hardly be blamed for catering to those who pay and have proven they will always pay versus those who grow out of the hobby, consider paying optional, or opt to spend their money elsewhere.
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@Demas said:
Piracy and alternative forms of entertainment are probably a bigger contributors.
That's why I said "part". 
 
@Demas said:
If your thesis was true, then Marvel, Image, Wildstorm, etc. wouldn't be losing readership along with DC.
Marvel has an entirely different problem.  
 
@Demas said: 
When 25% of your readership is over 65, their desires are relevant and nothing to sneeze at (no one sensible would blow off a quarter of their market)... especially since they're paying for content.  Companies can hardly be blamed for catering to those who pay and have proven they will always pay versus those who grow out of the hobby, consider paying optional, or opt to spend their money elsewhere. "
That's the short-sighted analysis on the situation. If that is applied to the comic book market, then DC will become a snake devouring its own tail. 
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@CosmicSpiral:  "Part" doesn't really mean anything unless you mean "significant part"... and if it's not the part most responsible for decline then it's rather irrelevant.  It' convenient that all the other publishers have different problems... or, more likely, it's not a significant problem at all.
 
The analysis is not short sighted, you're targeting the market that refuses to grow out of the hobby... that's long term... that's more effective than pushing a swimsuit issue that will become an embarrassment soon after.  As for cannibalism, the readership has an opportunity to grow at every generation.  Targeting nostalgic markets has been a phenomenon for Capcom with respect to Street Fighter... and with a new generation of those related to, younger than, born of, or in relationship with the nostalgic the market grows.
 
DC's greatest strength over its competitors is that it's heading into its 75th Anniversary.  To ignore that advantage is short-sighted.
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Meh it sounds like an alright idea but I'M JUST SO EXCITED THAT BRUCE IS COMING BACK SOOON!!!!!!
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@Demas said:

"Part" doesn't really mean anything unless you mean "significant part"... and if it's not the part most responsible for decline then it's rather irrelevant.

So all declines can be traced to one "significant part"? Anyone that knows anything about business disagrees with you. Declines are tied to a number of factors, and solving one will not solve the rest. If a company's products suck and they overproduce, solving one will not result in a profit.
 

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It' convenient that all the other publishers have different problems... or, more likely, it's not a significant problem at all.

It's not convenient, it's fact. Unless you would like to posit that all publishers have the exact same history and sell the exact same comics. The nostalgia trend only hurts DC worse than the other publishers.  
 

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The analysis is not short sighted, you're targeting the market that refuses to grow out of the hobby

Yes, the market that accounts for 25% of the readership and is over 65.  
 

@Demas

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that's long term

You are confusing the definition of "long-term" with "knee-jerk". Long-term strategies focus on bearing consistent payoffs over a long period of time. By definition they are not focused on making money now, but are offset by the hope that they will make a greater profit later. If DC is attempting to cash in on their older readership's tastes now, how is that evidence of "long term" marketing? Your point fails on all fronts.
 

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Targeting nostalgic markets has been a phenomenon for Capcom with respect to Street Fighter... and with a new generation of those related to, younger than, born of, or in relationship with the nostalgic the market grows.

A) Street Fighter was created in 1989. 1/4th of those who invest in the series aren't over 65.  Your example is 30 years too late to have any kind of practical resemblance to what is happening in DC.  
B) The Street Fighter series doesn't coast on nostalgia in order to sell their products. The vast majority of successful videogame franchises that rely on nostalgia to some extent also, shockingly enough, have good gameplay. The nostalgia and quality keep the older percentage buying while simultaneously encouraging new people to play. DC only has one of those features down.  
  

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DC's greatest strength over its competitors is that it's heading into its 75th Anniversary.  To ignore that advantage is short-sighted. "

And its reliance on that history is its greatest weakness.  
 
These are all besides the original point: people shouldn't whine because some characters aren't being represented in their "ideal" way. 
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@CosmicSpiral:  When the entire market is suffering across the board.  Yes.  It's a reasonable determination.  A far more reasonable one than venting on an individual poster's preference attempting to blame them for the downfall of an entire publishing line.  Being hysterical like that and lashing out is not reasonable.
 
I'm sure I don't need to spell out that what appealed to the 65  yearolds is not mutually exclusive from appealing to younger readers... a pretty patently clear flaw in your analysis.  At best you've got a truism that "nostalgia kills" without backing it up.  Batman Brave and The Bold isn't my Batman but it's making a killing with audiences, merchandising, and so on.  Pretending only your tastes are valid or market viable is rather self-indulgent and self-important don't you think (particularly when those offering the alternative menu are suffering the same down turn).
 
I suppose you could say reliance on history is a weakness but you wouldn't be right.  The distinct Crisis breaks means that DC was able to sell the same stories twice over for a new and old audience alike.  It's like you're pretending that Superman and Batman aren't DC's most lucrative historic characters and that Hollywood and Television doesn't churn out remakes.  DC gets to sell myths.  Marvel, outside a few of its characters, is stuck selling soaps.  Trying to apply one strategy to the other isn't exactly brilliant.
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@EnSabahNurX said:
" I think bruce's time travel adventure made him realize the world needs more than one batman i guess, idk not really happy about multiple batman, but i'll wait and see what happens and hold my judgement.   "
I agree 100% with you - now that I think about it, his main strength and weakness is his desire and ability to work best when partnered with other heroes. Since Robin, he's never been without a "sidekick" - so why not have more?
 
It seems just in time for Batman Beyond's comic coming out too.
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You can change characters all you want.  I'm cool with whatever as long as IT'S GOOD! 
 
Good is good and bad is bad. 
 
Morrison has had hits.   He's had some sucesses but,  not recently.  Does he get in the HALL OF FAME for comics?  YES.
 
But let's be real, over the last 6 years or so he's had more misses than hits.  
 
I still think people give him the benefit of the doubt because of the stuff he did in the past.  I get that.   You can still be a fan but, it doesn't mean that everything he does is going to be soild gold.  Don't buy it cause of his name and it sucks. Buy cause its good and it just so happens to be by that artist or writer that you love.   
 
Cause what your doing/saying is that we as comic consumers don't care about the material the companies put out and will buy the crap they shovel in our faces....and THAT'S JUST FLAT OUT NOT TRUE.  Your hurting our industry instead of helping it by doing that.
 
It's 2010 and people think Morrison's the writer from 1995.  He's just not. People get old......there just not as good as they once were.   He needs to retire on a high note.  Not a low. 
 
This happens in all kinds of mediums.  Tv, Movies, Sports...  
 
Sorry to bust your up your Morrison shrine but, proof is in the pudding. 
 
- The Kid    
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@jakob187:@jakob187 said:
" It's simple:  even the government is going bankrupt, so Batman's gotta do something for job security and income. "
lol
 
Personally I really like Morrison run with batman ... so i'm looking forward to seeing what Batman Inc actually is. Hopefully its awesome
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Personally, I think there are too many Batman books.  I think I saw Babs do a video about having too many books revolved around one superhero.... but I digress.
 
However!  I'm loving with Grant's doing with Batman so far.  This may seem a little far fetched because, yea, he's a loner and everything, but let's not forget that his adventures right now in Return of Bruce Wayne have been dubbed his greatest challenge ever: Bruce vs. Time.  And from what we've read so far (ROBW #4) he can barely remember who he is and where he came from.  I expect Bruce to return to  Gotham a drastically changed man.  Who knows?  Maybe something at the end of the Return of Bruce Wayne series will show us why he decided to start his own Inc.  Seriously though, his Return needs to finish already, I've been waiting too long.

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I'm guessing Grant Morrisson's got a big master plan at work, behind the curtains...
Perhaps now that Bats, after "dying", travelling through time and coming back, he has a "big picture" sort of view on life and how to protect innocents from criminals...
He sees his endless war against crime is, well, endless. To reach his objective he'll have to evolve along the world or his mark on Gotham will be but a fingerprint once he dies and his mission too with him...
 
Dick and co protected Gotham while he wasn't there..so how to better protect the world? Franchising!

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Na na na na na na na I'm out!

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Hell, more Batmen is exactly what the world needs. It seems batman cant die, so why kill off heroes when you can make an army of "immortals".
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I'll just have to read it too find out on.

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There needs to be a Superman INC.  
 
You know, to give Batman a run for his money. Let the corporate marketing competition begin!

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