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Off My Mind: The New 52's Five Year Limitations

With a specific time period mention, many are distracted by what could have and couldn't have happened in that time.

We're a year into DC's The New 52 relaunch. The new direction for the universe is chugging along and we've been seeing some cool events in the first twelve issues. Many characters have been reintroduced or re-established to show how they fit into this new comic universe.

Despite the success of the first year in this new direction, there is still some confusion over what has or hasn't happened. Some characters and titles have referenced past events or story arcs while other stories have been erased. The confusion for some is trying to figure out what is still part of the characters' continuity and what never happened (yet).

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With JUSTICE LEAGUE #1, we were given a time period or window in which the entirety of most characters' existence is now contained. That means everything that could have happened is limited to that period for the most part. Is five years enough time for the characters with extremely rich and full histories? Is the five year window forcing many events to get erased even if it hasn't been officially stated?

== TEASER ==

Some may question why have the five year period? Why not seven or ten? Five years ago is when the Justice League first met up. We saw what the atmosphere in the DC universe was like. Superheroes weren't necessarily public figures but their existence was known by some.

JUSTICE LEAGUE #4
JUSTICE LEAGUE #4

Having a limit of five years means we have a short period of time for the years of continuity. Technically, we only need to consider, for the most part, events since 1985's CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS since that was the last time things were rebooted. Most of the Golden and Silver Age events were erased with that event (with some exceptions, especially in Grant Morrison and Scott Snyder's BATMAN stories).

One concern over the time period was Scott Lobdell's comment over Tim Drake not being "Robin" but going straight to the "RED Robin" guise. In some ways this makes sense. We're looking at a small window where Dick Grayson was Robin and leaves to become Nightwing. Jason Todd spends time as Robin and gets killed by Joker. Tim has to then come along, confront Bruce, undergo training and become Batman's newest sidekick. After that Damian comes along as well.

TEEN TITANS #1
TEEN TITANS #1

The thinking is with the five years, there isn't a lot of time between Robins. Jason would have to die and Bruce would barely have time to mourn Jason before replacing him with Tim.

What about Superman? While Batman's been busy with all his Robins (or RED Robins), it looks like he and Lois haven't even gone on a date. He's still moping around over her and she has no clue about his secret identity. In SWAMP THING #1, Superman mentioned to Alec Holland he knew about being dead. Does that mean that Doomsday's attack still happened in this five years but Lois didn't have the same feeling of loss since she didn't know Clark was dead? Although, she just believed he was dead just over five years ago in the pages of ACTION COMICS.

SWAMP THING #1 on Superman's return from being 'dead.'
SWAMP THING #1 on Superman's return from being 'dead.'

GREEN LANTERN has been pretty clear that the previous continuity still holds. The events at the end of the pre-New 52 volume still hold. There's also been mention of Blackest Night a few times. What about the Sinestro Corps War? What about Hal being possessed by Parallax, destroying the Corps, dying and being reborn? How long has Kyle Rayner had a power ring during this five years?

GREEN LANTERN #12 mentioning 'Blackest Night' again.
GREEN LANTERN #12 mentioning 'Blackest Night' again.

In some ways, the five year limit makes sense. DC's plan appears to be to have all the characters a little bit younger. Younger heroes means they can be more relatable to younger new readers. It's only the readers that have been around longer that are really concerned with what may or may not have happened in those five years.

Five years may be limiting what could have happened in the characters' history but it doesn't have to absolutely wipe everything out. Some of the heroes have been active before JUSTICE LEAGUE #1. That's what ACTION COMICS is about.

RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS #6
RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS #6

Dick Grayson is supposed to be 21-ish in NIGHTWING. Five years ago he would have been 16-ish when Batman joined the Justice League and Dick could have been hanging out with Starfire, Roy and the others known as the Teen Titans in the pre-New 52 world. That means Jason could have become Robin, died and Tim could have come along within a complete five year period if Dick's time is shifted to just prior to JUSTICE LEAGUE #1.

This five year time also brings the question of where do characters such as Cassandra Cain, Wally West, Donna Troy, Stephanie Brown and others fit in? It's odd that some characters from the generation after them like Cassie Sandsmark and Bart Allen have a place but there's been no sign or mention of Donna Troy or Wally.

Five years isn't a lot when you're looking at over twenty-five years of comic continuity. Obviously twenty-five years of comic history translates into a much shorter span of time in the 'real world.' Everything that has happened to the characters doesn't have to be ignored or erased. With some characters, there is no choice. For example with Barry Allen or Green Arrow being de-aged a bit, there's clearly some things that just couldn't have happened plus the fact that several marriages never occurred.

We may not have a choice but to accept several events and characters being erased. It just doesn't have to be the case across the board. Some events could just not be mentioned or clearly stated as not having happened. That way it won't affect the current comics and long time readers can believe or pretend that maybe they somehow did happen. Five years might not seem like a long time but in terms of comic book time, a lot could have still happened.

The New 52 isn't going to change back and a year in we're still adjusting to it. We're willing to make some compromises but let's hope DC doesn't completely wipe out everything that has happened before, especially those events and characters we still cherish.

Tony Guerrero is the Editor-in-Chief of Comic Vine. You can follow him on Twitter @GManFromHeck. He agrees a lot can happen in five years and is thankful events in his life haven't been erased.

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Comic continuity's "time" barely made sense before.

Restricting everything to five years is just a bad move.

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It's all super lame.

DC really shoot them selfs in the foot with this.. If it would have been a hard reboot cool but having to figure out whats what and who is still around and constantly asking "how did ____ happend if ____ wasn't around " or questions like that shows me these guys really don't know what their doing... It seems like they're really misshandling it and do things that they know old fans will hate. .. Why? .. I've been asking myself that alot with the New 52.. Why? Then i get some half assed answers ( eventually ) about Tim not being robin but .. red robin or Starfire was a teen titian but lost her memory .. the list goes on.. Anyways. I know its not going to happen but i really really really really wish DC pulled an "Ultimates" move. That way everyone is happy .. Even if they just released it on digital or whatever. I went from buying 15 titles ( pre new 52 ) to 7 ( new 52 ) and now i'm down to 2... and this hurts and confuses me. I loved DC every since i could read.. i must of been the only fan the loves the years of continuity there was a sense of community and true friendship between characters. But by taking most of it away they've made it more confusing then it ever was in just a year. Some people will say " Its only been a year" but thats always going to be an argument. When New 52 started and i hated it .. they said " give it some time" i did . then "its only been 6 months " now a year soon it will be " its only been 5 years " .... Maybe i'm then one that sucks. Maybe its lame of me to want something i've always loved and shared. Or maybe in an attempt to be "cool" or "X-Treme! " DC is willing to trade cult like loyalty for younger readers ( btw DC ... 14 year olds dont have disposable income.. and those that do buy drugs and video games but what do i know. i was just a life long fan )

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In short. I'm just not into it. I tried it and its not for me. Thanks for the memories and the back issues DC but if i could buy less of you I would ( Snyder's Batman is just too good ! and i have to see the conclusions to Morrison's Batman INC ) ...........i hear that Avengers Vs X-men is pretty good .hmmmmmmmm

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@Cyborg6971 said:

I call BS on Drake not being a robin. He's by far the best one.

This

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It is so annoying how y'all freak out about Cassandra Cain or Stephanie Brown not being in the universe, but people say nothing about the fact that on Earth 2 that universe has no Green Lantern Corp or Guardians that is a massive editorial change. Treat this New 52 Earth just like an Earth 2 to the old universe things are not the same. Characters that you love are not around some characters have become gay (which doesn't make sense to me but oh well). From what i am seeing they should have taking Jason, Tim and Damion and thrown them away with Wally and the Batgirls, and made Dick Robin again. at least y'all will be upset about something else. Everyone needs to sit down and breath a lot of your timeline questions will be answered next month with the 0 issues including how long Bats have been around, and we all need to stop over thinking this universe all of the stories that you loved happened. They happened in another universe not connected to this new one. This is a new timeline/universe and we need to just relax and enjoy the stories that we are given. The only complaint that I have is I wish that Batman wasn't in 30 books, but he sales books and dc wants money just like Marvel treats Spidey and Wolverine.

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@Srsly_nerdy said:

Cue eyeroll. This is what happens anytime anything is rebooted/remade. I remember when "Batman Begins'' came out. Everyone kinda shrugged their shoulders and went "eh it's alright". But there were some who were saying that it was worse that Batman and Robin and that it "disrespected the continuity" or whatever. Then "The Dark Knight" came out and everyone got a nerd boner. Give it time. It's only been a year. I bet the next eisner award winning, jaw dropping comic book is gonna come back in the next few years and everyone is gonna look back on New 52 just like Crisis on Infinite Earths. Come to think of it, I bet older reader who were younger readers when Crisis came out looked at Crisis how I look at DCnU, "it's not perfect but it'll get there". It might seem like disrespect, but DC probably just saved their comics from becoming obsolete. Think about this; The Killing Joke came out in '88 and Crisis happened in '85. Just sit back and enjoy these comics, they're all good, the artwork is the best I've seen in my entire life and the characters are WAY more relatable. That's coming from a guy who's been reading comics for close to 12 years now

Extremely well said. And nice Avatar.

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@Superdork said:

@Srsly_nerdy said:

Cue eyeroll. This is what happens anytime anything is rebooted/remade. I remember when "Batman Begins'' came out. Everyone kinda shrugged their shoulders and went "eh it's alright". But there were some who were saying that it was worse that Batman and Robin and that it "disrespected the continuity" or whatever. Then "The Dark Knight" came out and everyone got a nerd boner. Give it time. It's only been a year. I bet the next eisner award winning, jaw dropping comic book is gonna come back in the next few years and everyone is gonna look back on New 52 just like Crisis on Infinite Earths. Come to think of it, I bet older reader who were younger readers when Crisis came out looked at Crisis how I look at DCnU, "it's not perfect but it'll get there". It might seem like disrespect, but DC probably just saved their comics from becoming obsolete. Think about this; The Killing Joke came out in '88 and Crisis happened in '85. Just sit back and enjoy these comics, they're all good, the artwork is the best I've seen in my entire life and the characters are WAY more relatable. That's coming from a guy who's been reading comics for close to 12 years now

Extremely well said. And nice Avatar.

Bravo

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Since the reboot the green lantern books may as well be in a seperate universe as they all still follow plots and developments from prior to the reboot

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Seriously...just ignore it. Create your own continuity and keep it rollin'. The New 52 has taught me to ignore the minutiae we nerds obsess over and just enjoy the ride.

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Dick Grayson is supposed to be 21-ish in NIGHTWING. Five years ago he would have been 16-ish when Batman joined the Justice League and Dick could have been hanging out with Starfire, Roy and the others known as the Teen Titans in the pre-New 52 world. That means Jason could have become Robin, died and Tim could have come along within a complete five year period if Dick's time is shifted to just prior to JUSTICE LEAGUE #1.

Dick didn't become Robin until at least 1 year after the first arc of Justice League

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I'm hoping that there's a serious event spawning from what Pandora and the Phantom Stranger know of - something to reconcile some of the glaring holes in this new continuity.

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My personal take is that the timeline for anything ore-new 52 has been broke . Dick Grayson's more recent past was written in the 90s and was earlier, for example but Hal Jordan's past was written in the past five years, starting with secret origins - or was he possessed by Parallax after all?

At some point, DC will probably try to justify everything but as of right now, that is sort of how I look at it.

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@sethysquare said:

@Superdork said:

@Srsly_nerdy said:

Cue eyeroll. This is what happens anytime anything is rebooted/remade. I remember when "Batman Begins'' came out. Everyone kinda shrugged their shoulders and went "eh it's alright". But there were some who were saying that it was worse that Batman and Robin and that it "disrespected the continuity" or whatever. Then "The Dark Knight" came out and everyone got a nerd boner. Give it time. It's only been a year. I bet the next eisner award winning, jaw dropping comic book is gonna come back in the next few years and everyone is gonna look back on New 52 just like Crisis on Infinite Earths. Come to think of it, I bet older reader who were younger readers when Crisis came out looked at Crisis how I look at DCnU, "it's not perfect but it'll get there". It might seem like disrespect, but DC probably just saved their comics from becoming obsolete. Think about this; The Killing Joke came out in '88 and Crisis happened in '85. Just sit back and enjoy these comics, they're all good, the artwork is the best I've seen in my entire life and the characters are WAY more relatable. That's coming from a guy who's been reading comics for close to 12 years now

Extremely well said. And nice Avatar.

Bravo

Well said.

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When I'm reading GL, I don't even think about the New 52.  It fits in so well with recent GL arcs that I don't even notice the "newness."  And I'm so glad that they didn't cut out all of Batman's history, either.  I wish Tim had been Robin for awhile, but since there wasn't enough time, I'm ok with the swtich to Red Robin. 
 
@Grey56: 
I agree.  I've been waiting for something like that to happen ever since the New 52 began. 
 
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@danhimself: I'm ignoring that one issue of Nightwing that had the flashback to Haly's Circus. He should've already been Robin by then. Maybe someday I'll be a BATMAN family editor and can make all these decisions.

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@SmoothJammin said:

The word of the day is compromise.

Well Said.

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I think DC should have made a real clean slate instead of leaving the door open for past continuity. It just leads to confusion, and possibly handcuffs them from doing certain stories without a lot of explanation or someone getting pissed off.

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@Chris2KLee said:

I think DC should have made a real clean slate instead of leaving the door open for past continuity. It just leads to confusion, and possibly handcuffs them from doing certain stories without a lot of explanation or someone getting pissed off.

If DC wiped the slate clean like they did after COIE, it would have nullified a whole bunch of great stories from before. Like the Killing Joke, Geoff Johns' Green Lantern run amongst others. Unfortunately, in wanting to have their cake and eat it too, DC made some major mistakes in the continuity department.

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@G-Man said:

@danhimself: I'm ignoring that one issue of Nightwing that had the flashback to Haly's Circus. He should've already been Robin by then. Maybe someday I'll be a BATMAN family editor and can make all these decisions.

that day couldn't come soon enough

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Superb article! characters such as Cassandra Cain, Wally West, Donna Troy, Stephanie Brown and others could still occur in some way in the current time in a different spin.of story... Or DC might explain in future issues giving some flashback stores explaining how each of them fit into the 5 year span...

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I been wondering about Hal's history since the New 52 began. I remember writing a blog asking how much of Hal's history is still there. Geoff Johns run on Green Lantern seems to be there still but I still wonder about the characters that took part in it. Like "Batman" making some of Earth's heroes joining the Black Lantern Corps. Did he go through the whole time travel thing or what?

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It is stupid, 5 years isn't a large time frame. Though 5 years still means a lot could have happened, huge events like Blackest Night occurred in a day or so, Hal Jordan came back to life and battled Parallax within a work week and the "new" Justice League defeated Darkseid as well as his hordes like 2 days. I don't understand why they felt it was better to create the 5 year time frame, that's 4 Robins, 4 Green Lanterns and such.

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It's been made more and more clear over the course of the first year of New 52 that DC did not, in fact, have any sort of road map. I am glad that at least Green Lantern seems to be completely ignoring the reboot.

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Very good article. As I've said many times before, if it aint broke, don't fix it. I hate the reboot in general, but if they are going to reboot, they should have at least only changed things that needed it. The Bat-Verse could have been left completely alone or at most only robbed of a couple of years, but only five years for four Robins, that is just stupid. Also, if we are getting rid of past contiuities to replace it with crap like the Teen Titans and Green Arrow, what is the point?

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About the events, soon enough DC might release a timeline about what happened (or didn't happen) in the new 52 universe (at least I hope they do).

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Finally, things can be cleared up clearly, I been confused since the beginning

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The end of Flashpoint stated that all the universes merged into one (except for Earth 2 getting rebooted). So with that, does that mean that events like Blackest Night did in fact happen, but not in the way it did in the comics? Since the universes merged, past story-lines either happened, altered, or didn't even happen at all. For example with Blackest Night, I feel like it did happen, but it was altered with only involved the all Lanterns Corps to defeat the Black Lanterns

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Stop, desist. It was a reboot, no matter what you think, no matter what was said, you have to go in thinking it probably didn't happen. The whole idea behind having a a reboot is being able to make the story up as you go.

You as fans need to sit back and let them tell the story. Stop trying to be the kid trying to force the square peg into the circle hole, and then complain they didn't make circle big enough for the square peg. It's ridiculous. The greatest possibility the reboot brings is some relief from the convoluted past and histories that wore DC down.

To put it shortly you don't know what happened in their past, This gives them endless possibilities for stories. Be excited for the new directions it takes.

As for your past stories they now have a beginning, middle and end. Those stories are over.

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I've said it before: the strict five year time limit was a mistake. It harms the possibility of a sliding timescale.They should have left it more ambiguous, around seven but never mentioned specifically. But then fans would've complained that they can't understand what happened and when...

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@G-Man: Nightwing # 0 will probably give a more definite timeline of when Dick became Robin. As of right now you can't say how long after the Justice League origin that Dick debuted as Robin. It's all speculation so far. We also don't know if Dick hung out with Roy and Starfire while he was Robin. In the Red Hood flashback he was already Nightwing.

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I try to not think about it, it's the only think which I'm uncomfortable with :P I'm looking foward next month, maybe all that #0 stuff can make clear the continuity, or at least clearer.

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...Still not a huge fan of the new 52 :(

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Yeah, 5 years is TOO short.

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Looks like Superman's been eating a few too many donuts in that Swamp Thing panel...

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I'm anxious to see how they're going to reintroduce Raven..  xP

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was the five year limit set as a rule to the universe? It didnt seem that way. All that appeared to be was the justice league formed only five years before the events of the current justice league story. But that isnt to say that current JL is happening congruently to every other DC story. As far as I see it, unless there is specific crossover between stories, they could be happening a decade apart for all I know.

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@kingdomenic said:

I still don't get why everyone cares so much. Just enjoy the great stories we are getting now. With this many of them going at once there is no way that all of the timelines workout anyways.

Bingo, at a certain point you just have to learn to ignore this stuff.

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Really DC handled the new 52 wrong, I could have easily rebooted all the characters where there wouldn't be any plot holes in continuity i would have done to start a hardcore reboot. restarted with Superman Batman etc and every so often there would be a time jump after every arc for example we go from batman with Dick Grayson as Robin having a few new stories with him then a big crossover event comes in and the after effects are we can go to Jason as Robin and Dick as Nightwing

So like every so often we have a jump and there is no continuity errors and everyone gets the characters they want back.

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I'm so confused on what this 5 year time period is. Does this mean the new 52 is only gonna last five years? Or what? I'm confused someone help.

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Follow up article: a comprehensive look at The New 52 and its entirety. Giving an extremely short summary of all the titles. Example: Action Comics- Unnecessary, Justice League- Pointless So Far, etc.

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I'm so happy someone finally wrote about this, these have been my thoughts for quite awhile now! I agree, they should have gone with 7-10 years to allow for a little bit of breathing room, 5 years is definitely too small a time frame to cram the important story arcs in, especially with the succession of Robins. I think perhaps what needs the most explanation is how Superman's death fits into the New 52 universe, you're absolutely right and I hadn't thought of it before, Lois was aware that Clark was Superman in that storyline so does that mean events transpired differently? If so, will we ever know how events played out to fit in with the new continuity?

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what does the five year limitation mean? I'm confused. Is the new 52 only gonna last five years or what?...Just need some help to clear the confusion.

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I think the biggest problem was that they basically just said "Okay let's reboot!" without actually sitting down to consider what needs to be canon and what isn't. If they had done what television shows do and written a bible to give a clear cut idea of what's occurred in the timespan we're dealing with than a lot these questions could be avoided. But it probably came down to not wanting to step on any toes or anything because there were writers and artists who put a lot of great creative energy into stories that are now in the ether and with them just floating around they could still be canon allowing for Superman to make a reference to him getting pummeled to death by a giant Kryptonian rage tank. Although this could just be the writer having a bit of fun.

I'm still not a fan of the reboot, I find it very unnecessary, and it wouldn't be so bad if the majority of the books were actually decent. Some are okay, others aren't at all, the only New 52 book that I still am invested in is Earth 2 because that feels fresh and revitalizing. But who knows maybe they'll work it out someday.

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The ne 52 just sucks. the continuity sucks. the books suck. I hate it. I'm still reading to see what happens, but I'm not happy with it. Earth 2 is going okay, but that's because its waaaay differant. more like what Marvel did with Ultimate Marvel did in the begining before he writing got bad, but DC's main universe is just crap. Only Batman is good and that's because nothing has really changed. Justice is going way to slow and needs to pump some answers out. A year is way to long

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I know probably no one cares about my opinion, but I really miss Wally. Granted, having Barry Allen back is just as rewarding, but Wally was always my favorite Flash and Kid Flash, so it just makes me feel like the Flash Family and even the New 52 is missing something important in it's history.

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I like the new 52 its going great so far but the five year period just seems too small, like you can't fit hardly any of the Major story arcs and how do the robins work with going through Dick Grayson, Jason, Tim, then Damien it just doesn't work.

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You guys can't get hung up on timelines... they will never work in comics. Our heroes can never age past their early 30's for obvious reasons. On the flip side of that however, our heroes will always gain experience and skill through out their adventures... our Robins will always become Nightwings. And as a fan we like to see that. But you can't scrutinize a comic that has been around for 70 years with countless creative hands and expect it to make logical chronological sense over a one year, five year, or even fifteen year period.

Everyone hated Spiderman's brand new day... but as an editor you HAVE to do something. If reboots didn't happen (however painful they may be) then we'd end up writing Peter Parker and the rest straight into retirement...

As a fan, you just gotta let this stuff go and write it off as a necessary tragedy of the medium.

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Five years makes sense to me. As far as comic history is concerned, I think it's best to just forget eveything and wait and see what the writers actually acknowledge in the comics now.

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: you make a great point with this article. Honestly they seem to have only put attention into telling stories currently but no one in the room has sat down and said...well what still carried on with the past? I mean give it day of work to really flesh out what to keep and what not to keep and do not just say oh they all showed up in the past 5 years. Superman has been doing heroing for longer than 5 technically, and same with batman. If anything Dick should have been with batman since he was 11 and then left at the age of 14 or 15 to be his own person with the teen titans or what ever group he made up at the time.

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Its actually a terrible situation if we are just forced to accept this 'five year rule' thing with regard to all this continuity. There's no clear consistency in this and that's probably what irks me most about New 52. As far as the New 52 not changing back, well, that might be the case and might not. In truth I was willing to accept that might not happen..until we saw the rise of Pandora and found out who she is. She's the linchpin to this whole post-Flashpoint reality and can easily be the fail safe to reboot things back to pre-FP reality should the need arise. And let's be honest, with regard to the sales...from what I've seen, maybe that eventually will happen. We are only a year into the New 52 and sales are starting to plateau, and for all intensive purposes, its the Batman family titles that are more or less responsible for keeping the New 52 afloat, and of those its obvious that Snyder's works are what top the sales each and every month. So, maybe things will change back, but who knows, when looking at those numbers crunched. Regardless, that's probably my biggest concern is always continuity issues in this new reality and what irk me all the time. There's just no consistency. Some things maintained, others not. Its like a reboot that's not really a reboot. Darn confusing.