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Off My Mind: Spider-Man Vs Venom Vs Anti-Venom Vs Carnage

When will we see the new and old Symbiotes clash?

Remember in the 90s when we had a bunch of symbiotes running around? When Spider-Man brought back the original symbiote during Secret Wars (and in Amazing Spider-Man #252), we had the beginning of something cool. Spider-Man wearing that black and white suit would soon change everything. Of course he couldn't keep the new suit, most likely because his red and blue suit was simply too iconic. The suit turned out to be evil in some ways, wanting to permanently bond with him.

The solution was to hand the suit over to the opposite of Spider-Man. Eddie Brock hated him because he blamed him for his failures. Then we had Carnage (the asexual offspring of Venom that bonded with serial killer, Cletus Kasady). Then we saw other offspring and even the fan-favorite Toxin (who remains MIA).  
 
Today, everyone seems to have changed partners. Eddie Brock got rid of the Venom symbiote and became Anti-Venom. The Venom symbiote spent some time with Mac Gargan but now is in possession of the U.S. Government and worn by Flash Thompson. In the Carnage miniseries, we've seen that there is now a female host, Dr. Tanis Nieves (but despite Cletus Kasaday being torn in half, many believe he will return to the suit).  
 
How long until we see an epic Venom vs. Anti-Venom vs. Carnage vs. Spider-Man story? 
 == TEASER == 
We haven't seen much of Eddie Brock since his transformation into Anti-Venom. Suffering from cancer, he was transformed with the help of Mister Negative (in his civilian guise). Eddie eventually discovered Mister Negative was evil and will soon make his return, determined to take down Mister Negative's criminal empire. Carnage will have to sort out who will be its host. Flash Thompson is limited to how many missions he can use the suit and it doesn't seem likely that the government would use one of them to deal with other symbiotes...unless it was to get their hands on more. 
 
A big battle/crossover may not be in the works but it's almost too much of a coincidence that we suddenly have the return of the symbiotes along with new hosts wearing them. If they were going up against Carnage, Flash would want to side with Spider-Man and Eddie Brock most likely would be against the red monster as well. At least, Spider-Man better hope they would be on his side. 
 
What I'm more curious is to see Eddie's reaction to the new Venom. In the New Ways To Die storyline, in which his Anti-Venom persona debuted, he wasn't too happy with Mac Gargan wearing the suit. The Venom symbiote is now being used for good...or at least as much good as the U.S. Government does. Will Eddie be okay with the suit being used as a weapon for the Army? What will be the symbiote's reaction to its former host. When Eddie faced off against Mac Gargan as Anti-Venom, he attempted to cure the symbiote. In other words, his new powers can wipe out the other symbiotes. Even though he was harming it, the symbiote still felt love for Eddie. Could Eddie do the same to Carnage or would Carnage be too wild and unpredictable for Eddie to try to cure?
 
While we're on that topic, how will the new Venom react around Spider-Man? Will Flash be able to retain control or will the suit take over? Will the original symbiote feel love or hate towards Spider-Man? I would imagine Flash would be filled with feelings of excitement and dream fulfillment if he was able to swing around with his idol. 
 
As I mentioned, there doesn't appear to be any immediate plans for the symbiotes and new hosts to clash. That's the problem with the solicits the publishers put out, it gives you an idea what you can expect or not expect over the next few months. I don't necessarily want to see a rehash of Maximum Carnage but I am curious to see how everyone would interact with each other and who would be on whose side. Let's just hope Spider-Man doesn't get caught in the middle. 
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Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt

i hope toxin comes back soon
Posted by Deadcool

 90's is back...
Posted by Fuloqwam

I really like what they're doing with the new Carnage.   Cletus Kasaday needs to stay dead; all that power and all he did was get his butt kicked over and over.  

Posted by DH69

how did they explain how the symbiote doesnt remember spidey's identity that annoys the hell out of me.

Posted by leokearon
@DH69 said:
"how did they explain how the symbiote doesnt remember spidey's identity that annoys the hell out of me. "

I think it does remember but it isn't sharing that info with anyone.
Posted by Eyz

I'd like to see Toxin back :/
Maybe in some kinda epic final crossover to deal once and for all with the ongoing current Anti Venom and Flash Thompson Flash...
 
@Deadcool said:

"
 90's is back...
"

THIS PIC IS AWESOME!!!
Posted by darkcloakx

bring back hybrid symbiote please ! 

Hybrid
Posted by perry_411
@Fuloqwam: um he's alive as was shown at the end of carnage 3.
Posted by NXH
@Eyz said:
" I'd like to see Toxin back :/
Maybe in some kinda epic final crossover to deal once and for all with the ongoing current Anti Venom and Flash Thompson Flash...
 
@Deadcool said:
"
 90's is back...
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THIS PIC IS AWESOME!!! "
I agree! It is an awesome picture. But I could do better lol
Posted by Coldbrand

WE ARE VENOM. WE WILL REUINITE AS ONE ONCE MORE, AND WITH IT, WE WILL SMASH PUNY PARKER AND EAT HIS BRAINS. EDDIE BROCK IS OUR ONLY TRUE HOST. KNOW THIS WELL.

Posted by brvermee

imagin of one of the symbiotes could bond with an iron man suit, just imagin

Posted by Out_of_Space

Just when i think about the idea of Spidey vs Venom vs Anti-Venom vs Carnage i'm happy for Marvel.
Posted by tobiasPUNK
@brvermee:  that would be the most wickedly awesome thing anyone would ever see haha.
Posted by MrGutts

Didn't this already happen about 20 years ago?

Posted by TheCheeseStabber
@MrGutts: Kindve in Maximum Carnage but Anti Venom wasnt involved
Posted by TDK_1997

I hope for this type of storyline

Posted by SUPER-MAN 23

I don't think that Spider-Man and (new) venom will fight. Because in this picture, they are working together. 

Posted by d0npierre

will be awesome...

Posted by Radread

 
 The fact is, all the symbiotes have a special place in all fans hearst. Has it gone a bit overboarded sonce the early 90s? Oh yes! However, at this point in time, as shown over in Ultimate Spider-man with "War of the Symbiotes" is that a potentially good story is in the works and there needs to be a squared off match between all symbiotes: Venom, Anti-Venom, Carnage, Toxin, Hybrid, Scream and Lasher.
Posted by BK-77-7

MORE ANTI VENOM!!!! MORE MORE MORE!!!!

Posted by HaloKing343

That story will be sick. There needs to be a huge symbiote war but it needs to be handled well because so many people could (and probably WILL) screw it up.
Posted by Chaos Burn

I just hope Venom kicks ass

Posted by greenlucario
@Avenging-X-Bolt: 
totally, we need more toxin he's been gone for too long
Posted by DEGRAAF

Cletues Kassidy isnt dead, he was shown in the latest Carnage book. 
 
I hope they bring Toxin back in to the mix becuase i really liked him i just hope they dont show him having an offspring during it.  
 
I would like to see Venom, Anti-Venom, and Spiderman take on Carnage and then Toxin would have to come in and save them.  
 
I would also like to see how anti-venom affects carnages and toxin. 
 
Also i like the idea of a female carnage.
Posted by Doctor!!!!!

Its 90s all over again!

Posted by GrandSymbiote94

I think the symbiotes they need to bring back are these 3: 
 
 
 

Toxin


Payback ( I kno she wasn't popular but she still had a cool symbiote.)

Hybrid
Posted by goldenshot80
The battle will soon happen.
Posted by CATPANEXE

I think theres a bit more to it all then plot lines from Maximum Carnage, having kept up with ASM and symbiote related material for the past two years, imo.  
(in fact thats not even relevant, your thinking Planet Of The Symbiotes friend G)

Posted by InnerVenom123
@Deadcool said:
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 90's is back...
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And it's great. Just great. :)
Posted by InnerVenom123

Toxin needs to be in a book with Anti-Venom. It would be a great dynamic. Eddie, the guy who judges all hosts of symbiotes to be evil, and Pat, who isn't evil in the slightest, and is basically a rehash of Venom's lethal protector phase - but can Eddie resist the urge to cure him if they need to work together? I'd read it.

Posted by Golden Cod
Posted by InnerVenom123
@coldbrand said:
" WE ARE VENOM. WE WILL REUINITE AS ONE ONCE MORE, AND WITH IT, WE WILL SMASH PUNY PARKER AND EAT HIS BRAINS. EDDIE BROCK IS OUR ONLY TRUE HOST. KNOW THIS WELL. "
No you won't. Eddie Brock doesn't like you anymore. Move on.
Posted by stuamerica

 I haven't read Spider-Man in years, but this definitely piques my interest.  It is interesting to see the symbiotes become so prevalent again.  And the picture from Deadcool is one of the the coolest I have seen in a long time.

Posted by Crackdown
@Radread said:
"   The fact is, all the symbiotes have a special place in all fans hearst. Has it gone a bit overboarded sonce the early 90s? Oh yes! However, at this point in time, as shown over in Ultimate Spider-man with "War of the Symbiotes" is that a potentially good story is in the works and there needs to be a squared off match between all symbiotes: Venom, Anti-Venom, Carnage, Toxin, Hybrid, Scream and Lasher. "
Lasher is part of Hybrid. Ramone is dead. The symbiotes did not seperate
Posted by skaarason

more anti-venom !!!!

Posted by ddaann1985
@Golden Cod:  Is that a spoiler? :p
Posted by johnnie619

carnage vs venom - anti - spiderman? thats what its looking like to me or maybe a 4way fight
Posted by Golden Cod
@ddaann1985: 
 
Of course not, Spoiler belongs to DC ;)
Posted by zombietag

could be cool if its written well. i think the problem with a lot of the 90s was they just took "cool ideas" and threw em out, instead of working really hard to make stories that really work well and are well written. not all 90s comics, because i love a lot of them, but it seems that way with a lot of the gimmicky stuff. so maybe nowadays we could take something like this and actually make it sweet. 
 
@Deadcool: hey who drew that?

Posted by jcj145

Idk about this... I like the idea of Venom and even of Anti-Venom and Carnage being major players, but anymore than that seems a bit excess. I think its all a bit cluttered and if any  more symbiotes came back they would just be brought to be to "eliminated" and clean out the closet so to speak. All just an opinion mind you

Posted by Spiderslike

I just hope they find some way for Flash to stay Venom honestly I like that whole dynamic and think it's very interesting to see a long standing Spider-Man character get such a drastic and important role. He was never important to me till now. But like many I don't like Anti-Venom that much mostly because it seems to powerful. It has none of the normal weaknesses and makes Spidey weaker just being around him and can kill any symbiote thats too much.

Posted by Emperormeister734

this would be a awesome series if they made iit

Posted by isaac_clarke

I would hope not, with his power set Brock would kill both symbiots.
Posted by InnerVenom123
@isaac_clarke said:
" I would hope not, with his power set Brock would kill both symbiots. "
Spidey would defend Venom (if he knew it was Flash).... and maybe even Carnage (sigh) given his behavior during "Maximum Carnage".
Posted by isaac_clarke
@InnerVenom123 said:
" @isaac_clarke said:
" I would hope not, with his power set Brock would kill both symbiots. "
Spidey would defend Venom (if he knew it was Flash).... and maybe even Carnage (sigh) given his behavior during "Maximum Carnage". "

Not sure how Spiderman comming to their aid would help, Brock should still either send the symbiotes running and over power Pete to "cure" him of his powers.
Posted by InnerVenom123
@isaac_clarke: Oh yeah, I forgot. If he's close to Eddie he loses his powers. Wow. Carnage and Venom are soooo screwed in this scenario.
Edited by isaac_clarke
@InnerVenom123 said:

" @isaac_clarke: Oh yeah, I forgot. If he's close to Eddie he loses his powers. Wow. Carnage and Venom are soooo screwed in this scenario. "


Yep. =P 
Namely why I remember saying in a previous thread on the battle forums, that essentially put Anti Venom against the symbiotes in an enclosed environment, as locking up the Fox in the Hen house.  
Unless Marvel tones Eddie down somehow it just won't be remotely fair.
Edited by Alurvelve

No more symbiotes. This is one of the cases where less is more.
 
Edit: Also everyone who's making reference about Toxin and 'oh no it's the 90's all over again'. Toxin as horrible of a character as it was. Did not appear until after the 90's.

Posted by FireFlare153
@InnerVenom123:
XD great photo!
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