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Off My Mind: Should Supervillains Wear Costumes?

When they're arrested, their secret identity is revealed so what's the point?

In comic books, a costume can mean everything. For superheroes, it serves as their symbol in fighting evil and sometimes provides them with the anonymity they need to protect their private lives and families. For supervillains, a costume typically serves the same purpose as a ski mask for a regular bank robber. It hides their identity when committing a crime. But when supervillains are apprehended by the heroes and go into custody, their identities become known. What is the point in trying to hide who they are when everyone will already know? 

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There are some case where the costume serves as part of the supervillains' schtick like with Rhino or Mr. Freeze. If the world knows than Norman Osborn was the Green Goblin, would it make any sense for him to bother putting on the costume again? 
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In a lot of cases, a villains costume is meant to instill fear in their victims. That could be why Hobgoblin is still using his outfit. But when a lesser villain is constantly getting nabbed by the heroes, you would think they'd try to keep a lower profile. There have been stories where a villain has been skulking around only to get grabbed before they can even commit a crime. If a costumed criminal like the walks into a bank in costume, everyone will know what their intentions are. To deal with this, some villains will even try wearing a trench coat over their costume to make it to the front of the bank teller's line. That doesn't always work since their legs and footwear still show and can be a give-away. 
 
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I do like the visual of heroes and villains wearing costumes. I think it's come to the point where a costume just isn't practical for the smaller villains. If they have been arrested a few times, their best bet for a costume would be to dress as a normal civilian. Unless they're someone like Vulture, it should be all about subtly. If a villain wants to be successful, they have to stop trying to have a flashy look to act as their trademark. All it's doing is asking for someone to bust them and take them to prison. 
 
Is the day of the costume for villains over or should they wear their outfits with pride?

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Depends on the villain. luthor really doesn't need a costume but he's lex and is the exception to the rule so yeah for the most part they should

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Yes, yes villains should wear costumes.

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@Demas said:
" Villains should wear costumes so that the heroes don't look silly. :P "
lol good point but really they don't need to unless there some powerhouses so its won't matter if people notice them. The writers make it for them for appeal and stuff, they don't really need to wear one. 
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@sweatboy said:
"...Originally these stories were meant to be THEATRICAL, or to catch the reader's eye with a) images or b) catchy names. And in creating characters, isn't designing them the fun part? giving them something that SAYS i'm me? And finally costumes are viewed as immature by "society" but when in X-Men (the first movie) Cykes asked Logan if he was expecting yellow spandex, GUESS WHAT? I WAS "

Well, that's just it: that scene was a commentary on the comic spandex - it looks great on the page, but it's not so practical for real life - Wolverine would've looked silly in yellow spandex.  Superman & Batman movies keep using the rubber, kevlar, or leather suits, or have to resort to airbrushing certain areas so they aren't showing things they shouldn't be to a younger audience. 
 
I think superhero and supervillain costumes are unquestionably an essential part of the comic.  I mean, I gave pros and cons in the previous post, but really: we want to see costumes.  It doesn't always make sense for the character to be wearing one, but really, we want to see it anyway.
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@cbishop said:

 Supes said he chose a bright costume so people would see that he's not trying to hide anything.  He's out there, you'll immediately recognize him, and hopefully, trust him.  In a universe where costumes mean recognition and fame, I think the supervillains wear the costumes so people know who they are. 
 
1) The few times I have seen it tried in comics, the artist wasn't good enough to make distinctive characters, and often drew them in the same colored suits, trenchcoats, or whatever.  It made it hard to tell which character was which, when the action actually happened.  NO, I don't want to read that. 
 
2) On the other hand, I think as long as there is a good story going, people won't care whether there are costumes or not.  I also think no costumes lends to the sense of threat level, because anyone in the scene could turn out to have superpowers 

 
@G-man said:    There are some case where the costume serves as part of the supervillains' schtick like with Rhino or Mr. Freeze
CBishop, Hey buddy. So my reply isn't really to you but the whole topic, but yeah 5 pages of comments? 
G-Man nailed it all, AND CB makes a good point, like even in Dragonball i got confused, cos sometimes they wear the same thing but you're supposed to tell them apart BY HAIRCUTS (which change when they go SSJ) That's actually one of the GOOD examples, and this weekend i bought this book (which included) Mr Parker goes to Washington, (part ONE of three) where for the first time i saw...A BUFF PETER PARKER. I'm ok with the idea, but this was a SUPER BUFF picture, but around his wife and employer Stark.  But in PART THREE, Parker looks like a hobo, which i think IS the best peter parker image, but these 2 pictures were like TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. Artists CHANGE and whatever the one before tried to do, the next one MAY or MAY NOT follow, that if not for the S-symbol or bat we could not tell the character.
 
 I think costumes go for heroes as well as villains. Spidey has a reason to cover his face, to protect his identity and thereby protect his loved ones. Now, although it may not be so noble, villains may have a similar reason to cover their face. At least it let's them stay active for slightly longer and i know Hobby, thanks to your (G-Man's) 3 minute enlightenment did just that. Also like you said, some villains (and heroes) are nothing without the suit, like The Mask. Venom HAS to be in costume, or he's either Brock/Gargan or a symbiote. And as Batman used the symbol of a bat to SCARE people, villains could do that. SOMETIMES the villain's face is scarred, (Dr. Doom, Deadpool although we HAVE seen him without a mask in Wolverine Origins) BUT some like Joker (who had a deadpool incident,) milk it. The car, the planes, the hideouts,...almost every batman villain, i mean NO WONDER they called batman gay. (Dont forget Luthor though) Originally these stories were meant to be THEATRICAL, or to catch the reader's eye with a) images or b) catchy names. And in creating characters, isn't designing them the fun part? giving them something that SAYS i'm me?
 
And finally costumes are viewed as immature by "society" but when in X-Men (the first movie) Cykes asked Logan if he was expecting yellow spandex, GUESS WHAT? I WAS
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Villains need costumes for the simple fact that they are characters in a comic book. We're not reading articles in news papers about some crook holding up a liquor store, we're reading fantastic stories of men and women with super powers trying to rule the world. Stop trying to make comics so goddamn realistic all the time. They're comic books, there's supposed to be an element of the absurd in them.

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I think for a lot of the bad guys it's become a showmanship sort of thing - people like Lex Luthor don't need a costume because they already have these larger-than-life personas, while somebody like Shocker or Riddler invent these otherworldly alter egos to add character.   also, there's people like Hobgoblin and Scarecrow who use their costumes as their major means of intimidation

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My first thought was the fear thing, but that's already been touched on hehe. I personally think that a lot of them think that THIS will be the time I (Electro) finally defeat Spider-Man!! They're addicted to the struggle. They love bashing heads with whatever cape happens to see them rush away. 
 
Another possible reason: they're just not very smart.

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@brc2000:  Wesker is the appears in  Resident Evil Zero (Character), Resident Evil (Villain), Resident Evil Code: Veronica (Villain), Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (Playable Character), Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles (Cameos) and Resident Evil 5 (Main Villain) he is a better character in the other games, but I really liked him as main villain.
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I've played these:
Resident EvilResident Evil 2,Resident Evil 3: Nemesis, Resident Evil 4

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+ I've seen playthroughs of some of the others. The games aren't that bad, but story-wise I don't like it much.
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@brc2000:  ...
Have you ever played?
 Resident Evil Zero, Resident Evil, Resident Evil Outbreak, Resident Evil Outbreak File 2, Resident Evil 2, Resident Evil: Dead Aim, Resident Evil 3: Nemesis, Resident Evil Code: Veronica, Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles, Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles, Resident Evil: Uprising, Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil: The Missions, Resident Evil 5 or Resident Evil: Degeneration.

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@Deadcool:  First 4
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Villains should wear costumes so that the heroes don't look silly. :P

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@brc2000:  How many RE videogames you have played?
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@Dr. Detfink said:
" Always wanted to see the Green Goblin in a Brooks brothers polo and khakis when throwing bombs. "
As close as I could recall. From Spectacular Spider-Man #261. 

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A villains outfit is like part of their persona. Just as a heroes is for them.

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@suicidejocky said:
" As Megamind put it The difference between a villain and a supervillain is ...Presentation.       "
You said what I was going to say :D
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@Deadcool said:
" @brc2000 said:
" Meh. I just don't like Japanese games. "
Then your argument is invalid "
I've played the games, I just don't think the character is interesting like most Japanese game characters. And come on, as far as the story and dialogue goes the RE series is some of the cheesiest crap ever.
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@Vendel said:
" What's the point in being a super-villain if you are not going to wear a costume? Then you are just a bank robber, not  "THE BANK ROBBER". "
this.
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Love that "family group shot" above, with all those Marvel villains XD
So...strangely calm.
 
Anyway, in the case of the Rogues, the Flash's villains, they use costumes, gimmicks and try to rob banks AGAINST the Fastest Man alive because they wanna probe a point. Show to everybody that they can antagonise the Flash and, hopefully, someday defeat him! They're trying to prove a point.
So they need colorful names and costumes.
 
While Batman villains are all lunatics, Spidey's got mostly criminal wannabees (Shocket, etc...), Superman has intergalactic threats (Doomsday, Brainiac, Zod..)..
They only need costumes if it fits their motives/origins/backgrounds...
 
My point anyway~

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they should wear them because its part of the art in comics.  Plus a guy in a costume in comic book land is what I would think, more intimidating then a guy in jeans and a Beastie Boy T-shirt.
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If you go with the premise that villains follow’d the lead of heroes by integrating theatricality into their personas, then of course they should. But some of these costumes are a lil’ on the corny side, so I don’t know who they trying to intimidate. LOL!!! 

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Okay, I'm not reading 5 pages of comments, so if I repeat anyone, please forgive me.  In Superman: Birthright (I think) Supes said he chose a bright costume so people would see that he's not trying to hide anything.  He's out there, you'll immediately recognize him, and hopefully, trust him.  In a universe where costumes mean recognition and fame, I think the supervillains wear the costumes so people know who they are. 
 
HOWEVER, to those who have said that people won't want to read superpowered people in normal streetclothes, I have two lines of thought: 
 
1) The few times I have seen it tried in comics, the artist wasn't good enough to make distinctive characters, and often drew them in the same colored suits, trenchcoats, or whatever.  It made it hard to tell which character was which, when the action actually happened.  NO, I don't want to read that. 
 
2) On the other hand, HEROES and now NO ORDINARY FAMILY seem to be doing very well.  My mother doesn't want to admit she likes NOF, because she has always rolled her eyes at anything superheroes, but she manages to watch NOF every week.  I think as long as there is a good story going, people won't care whether there are costumes or not.  I also think no costumes lends to the sense of threat level, because anyone in the scene could turn out to have superpowers - not just the guy in the circus suit and handlebar mustache.

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we all know the clergy are villains so why do they wear costumes

 

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Would you be scared of the Joker if he looked normal?

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In my opinion villains wear costumes for the same reasons as heroes, prior to their identity becoming public as a way to get away with their crimes, and after because they have some notoriety that offers a level of intimidation to non-powered law enforcement that makes them less likely to intervene, plus they become more known for their masks then faces so even if unmasked are less likely to be identified by bystanders when they are just walking around in a crowd.

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@brc2000 said:
" Meh. I just don't like Japanese games. "
Then your argument is invalid
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  If a costumed criminal like the walks into a bank in costume, everyone will know what their intentions are. To deal with this, some villains will even try wearing a trench coat over their costume to make it to the front of the bank teller's line. That doesn't always work since their legs and footwear still show and can be a give-away.  


 
If a villain is stupid enough to do that than they deserve to be caught. In fact, if they are dense enough to only try robbing banks than they are doomed to an existence as a petty thug. Alternately, it means they really don't have any special power or skill if they have been apprehended so often.
 

 If the world knows than Norman Osborn was the Green Goblin, would it make any sense for him to bother putting on the costume again?     
 


Ignoring the psychological fact of Norman's costume choice, there have been five different men who have used the Green Goblin costume in the past. 
 
Look at the Red Hood; it has been used by numerous villains over the years. Just because a costume is being used doesn't mean it has to be as eccentric as Electro.
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@The Sadhu:
That has got to be the most EPIC villain costume that ive ever seen?
The Crotchshot
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@marvelunivers: 
 
Wrong answer. Both are villains. One just looks less threatening.
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To answer the question... Yes... end of arguement!
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Jason Tood the Deeadpool of DC kind of has a civilian costume formeyl and hes oart villain.
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@MTHarman said:
" @El_Derrico: Luthor is only saying that he's doing the world a favor because he wants the world to turn against Superman. Guy could careless about the world, he just wants to be the top dog in Metropolis. "
True. The main reason Luthor's against Superman is jealousy that an alien comes out of nowhere and he's worshiped instead of everyone loving him for all the great things he's done, that plus Superman can't be bought. But I also think Luthor believes we shouldn't put out trust in these unaccountable, super-powered free agents who could destroy us in a heartbeat if they wanted to. In his mind, Luthor's saving us from ourselves by getting rid of Superman. At least that's the way he was in Superman: TAS.
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I think what Tony is implying is that villains should go naked like in the start of Wanted. Don't tell me that's not what he meant.  The topic clearly says, should villains wear costumes so the opposite would be wearing nothing . . . clearly.  And so my answer to naked villains is mostly yes.  The blob should stay clothed.  Mole Man should stay clothed.  Mystique sort of is naked and so is Emma Frost and so is Lady Death . . . who's not really a villain . . . but oh well . . . so maybe it's not much of an issue with them.  The vulture should also stay clothed come to think of it . . . but other villains are already naked like Killer Croc and Clayface and Dr. Manhattan (did I?  Did I call him a villain?) so I guess this has become more complicated for me.  I'll have to think about this more.

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i think they use the costumes in order to put themselves into the role that makes them truely happy and evil. The costume does more than make the supervillain intimidating to there victims, it also makes them feel empowered, as if they are in there true element. The villain is no longer a simple civilian or a weak little crook, they are now a power that can uttur a word and have people dying at there feet. It is phycological, even for those without phycological problems. With the super costume comes the super reputation, and with the super reputation comes the fear and respect that empowers them to what they are, Supervillains. Just as the symbol of a hero instills hope.
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I tend to like the way the villains are portrayed in the films more than in the comics (Bullseye/Dr. Oc being) examples. At the end of the day we gotta recognize that comics are nonsensical at their core (at least the cape and boots stories are). Therefore People running around in spandex suits is normal, acceptable, and to be expected in their universe. I'm all for villains wearing suits, as long as they're not too stupid looking. A perfect example of this would be your boy Electro up their. Pretty cool, powerful villain. Lame, lame, lame, lame LAME ASS outfit, folk. One of the worst in the history of comics.

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As Megamind put it 
The difference between a villain and a supervillain is ...Presentation.  
   
 
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@AMP - Seeker of Lost Knowledge said:
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What kind of a dumb question is that?! Supervillains need costumes, that what makes most of them so terriifing and dangerious (most of them; KINGPIN)....of couse when it comes to movie version of characters things do not stick with the characters. For Example: 
 
 
Hey, Dr Octopus didn't wear a costume in the movie and he sure as hell didn't look that bad at all compared to Green Goblin looking like a jacked up power ranger and Collin Ferral trying to be something that looks nothing like Bullseye. 
Jigsaw looked awesome in his white suit. 
Russian from the Punisher didn't look anything different. 
Iron Monger was badass looking. 
as for the others, yeah I can see the failure in that.
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@El_Derrico:
Luthor is only saying that he's doing the world a favor because he wants the world to turn against Superman. Guy could careless about the world, he just wants to be the top dog in Metropolis.
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ummm if hero's do why wouldn't villains? 
 
btw what's the name of the artist for the 1st graphic? anyone?

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Costumes symbolize both comic book heroes and villains. Without them, they're nothing.

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The costume while designed to hide their identities also are (usually) designed to inspire fear.  Even minor criminals need them.

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some need costumes some dont. 
 
as long as your super and villainous  then your still a supervillain

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I find it interesting the villains who don't think of themselves as villains don't wear masks. Luthor and Magneto think they're doing the world a favor. 

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Well With supervillians like Venom or Carnage the costume is necessary because the custume gives them their powers

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Electing to read the question as: Should Supervillains wear [non-utilitarian, stylized] Costumes [in order to more effectively achieve their goals]? 
 
Probably not... assuming their goals tend to be the commission of successful crimes or the destruction of superheroes.  If their goals differ- establishing a brand for the purposes of fame or work opportunities, feeding a need to be expressive or free, adhering to pressure or subculture norms, looking to represent a symbol, bearing a standard for unity or a uniform, etc.- then they might have other justifications for their costume. 
 
The primary utilitarian benefit would probably be in the form of intimidation... but surely a show of force / powers accomplishes the same goals without the liability a costume presents? 
 
Maybe more reasons will come to me later, but it seems like if you want to get away with crime / killing, opting out of a costume is the way to go.

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I see Carnage. Hurray! Just for that I give this post 2 thumbs up
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The costumes are fine, they just need to be careful about who they pair them with. You get some guy like Rhino or Vulture up against the Punisher, and they will just looks silly next to some dude in jeans and a black shirt.

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I think the Costume helps readers distinguish criminals from Super Villains anyone can be a criminal but only a few can be Super Villains 
some people like Venom and Carnage draw their power from their suits Sandman doesn't really have a Costume besides his Freddy Sweater 
Bullseye always seemed to have a thing for theatrics thats why he needs the costume Taskmasters costume instills fear
while others their costume is just better for fighting conditions like Sabretooth and Maverick.
All in all the Super Villain Costume is just as important as the Superhero costume

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@MTHarman said:
" Villainous costumes do serve alot of meaning and mostly defines the individual.  First off, Normie wears the Goblin mask and the Halloween get-up because he shares half of a mind with his closet monster, when the goblin takes over and Normie goes bye-bye for a while, Normie straps on the Lord of the Rings Halloween tights and goes off having fun throwing funny looking pumpkin bombs at people.  also Hobgoblin didn't wear a costume to install fear, his costume mostly revolved around representing "mystery".  Villains that mostly go out wearing purple and green or something extremely colorful and non-tactical is what makes some Marvel heroes pretty unique. Like Electro, if it wasn't for his badass looking costume, I would hate the guy. Like many other villains and heroes that have the power to jumpstart a car with a flick of the finger, it's Electro's costume that really has him stand out the most and defines him as a guy who seriously guzzles down on some power cables just to cause some mindless chaos. "
Cool. Looks like I'm not alone in the "Electro's costume is cool" camp. Unless you're talking about his new generic outfit.