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Off My Mind: Should Marvel Bring Back the Super Soldier Serum?

With the possibility of a new formula, will we see more super soldiers?

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Captain America has been the only truly successful super soldier. Dr. Erskine's secret Super Soldier Serum died with him when he was assassinated. Over the years we have seen numerous attempts to replicate the formula but none have had the same results of the original.

In recent issues of New Avengers, we discovered in the 1950s there was another attempt at the formula. Combined with the Infinity Formula that has given Nick Fury his youth, this new formula could be the next great thing in fighting evil or it could turn out to be hazardous for the individual taking it.

When Mockingbird's life was hanging in the balance, the only option there appeared to be was to administer the untested new derivative of the formula on her. While it appears that the results are positive, what will this mean for her and the future of the Marvel Universe?

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Mockingbird now has superpowers. In a similar situation to Nick Fury when he first took the Infinity Formula, Mockingbird was seriously wounded during a battle with H.A.M.M.E.R. agents. It didn't look good for her but there was one way to possibly save her. What H.A.M.M.E.R. had been after was a mixture of a Nazi attempt in 1959, to recreate the Super Soldier Serum mixed with their version of the Infinity Formula. To save her life, they gave her a formula that could give her super powers and make it so she didn't age.

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The problem with taking the formula is there's no guarantee that there won't be any side effects. Mockingbird does have superpowers but the formula could end up killing her rather than causing her not to age.

We have to assume the formula has been locked away since that day in 1959 when Nick Fury gave the formula they procured from the Nazis to his superiors. If it had been used prior to being administered to Bobbi Barton, we would have seen the results. With Nick Fury having it in his possession now, how long will it be until we see it used on others?

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Nick Fury may be one of the good guys but he often has his own sneak agenda. In the never-ending battle against evil, having a new version of the Super Soldier Serum could be the edge needed. Nick showed hesitation in allowing Bobbi to get it saying that it's nothing but a ticket to every friend's funeral. That doesn't mean he wouldn't use it on other soldiers if it meant gaining the upper hand against his enemies. We've seen what the Ultimate version of Nick Fury would be willing to do when it came to experimental Super Soldier Serums.

One of the great things about Captain America, besides his ability to lead and take on the world, was the fact that he was unique. We've seen many attempts at recreating the Super Soldier Serum and none have been able to have the same effects as the original. If the mixture Mockingbird took works and there aren't any harmful results, there wouldn't be a reason not to use it on others. There's the possibility that the only existing sample was completely used on Bobbi but I would find it hard to believe that in over fifty years, no one could analyze the sample and create more.

Mockingbird having superpowers adds a new element to her character. She didn't need the powers but it is cool to think about how this will change her and raise her to a new level. But we don't need to see even more new superpowered individuals show up after taking the formula. There are already enough cool characters with some slight connection to the original formula or to Captain America. There are also many other ways for a new character to develop powers without relying on an easy solution of simply taking the formula.

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What I would hope for is Mockingbird will have her superpowers for a while but it will slowly wear off without any lasting effects. Let Mockingbird experience and enjoy the thrill of these new powers and let her use them to effectively put away the bad guys. Since she never needed the powers before to be an Avenger, reverting back to normal eventually is what needs to happen. We also don't need an army of new Super Soldiers. Since Steve Rogers is back as Captain America, that's all the super soldier we need.

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can any one direct me to the article on leadership it talks about the chair system for the avengers??? plz i really need it to prove a friend wrong!!!

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Mocking bird plus serum equals awesome

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Hm, no I don't think they should bring the serum back. Just my opinion though.

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marvel need a flag ship chick ...she willnot be tha 1

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I really hope this doesn't happen, but it sounds so logical it isn't even funny.

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@Feliciano2040 said:
No.  It's enough as it is that Steve Rogers is the superhero with the most ambiguous, inconsistent, sales-convenient superpower EVER made, having more people with it would be a disaster.
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@johnjcoe:  
 
Same here in regards to Ultimates.  Making the serum the focal point of the entire Marvel U was such a genius idea and made the universe very cohesive.  If Superman is DC's "first" hero, then Ultimate Cap would Ult. Marvel's first.  
 
For those who don't read Ultimates...  the whole idea is that ever since Cap was lost in WW2, they've been unsuccessfully trying to re-create the serum.  Parker's spider bite is a spider from a serum experiment.  Banner was a scientist experimenting w/ radiation and the serum.  You still have mutants, magic, and cosmic characters, but nearly everyone outside of that turned out to be connected to serum somehow.   Except Stark and armored characters, which almost seemed like a whole other class of characters as well and have stories on their own.
 
Of course, there's NO WAY to incorporate that into the regular Marvel U, but I agree its one of the unique characteristics of Ultimates that makes that universe so interesting.
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I think the serum should be optional, but used sparingly.

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I for one hope that the serum gets lost now that mockingbird has it. 
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I always liked the 'Ultimate' version of the Super Soldier Serum (S3 for short).  Especially how its derivatives led to so many Ultimate characters:  Hulk, Norman & Harry Osborn, Hawkeye, Red Skull, and even Spider-Man himself!  I think Nick Fury was subjected to it, too.  Its more defined, at least how Millar originally wrote it.  On another note, I always found it an incredible coincidence that Erskine, after working for the Nazis, picks Steve Rogers, a blonde-haired, blue-eyed kid who evokes all the Aryan features they lauded so much, to be the first test subject for S3.  I can't believe after 70 years no one's used that as a story thread.  When Mark Millar was writing Civil War, he jokingly referred to Goliath, a black superhero, being killed by Thor, someone who could be the poster-boy for the Third Reich.  He didn't realize it until after it was published (Wizard ran an interview/commentary /w him a while after the mini-series had finished).
There's also a HILARIOUS conversation /w Millar and Bendis, in another issue.  They opine that Bendis' (Jewish) Old Testament Torah is CokeClassic, and Millar's (Catholic) New Testament Bible is like New Coke.

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I would like if they brought the serum back so maybe they could make a comic character like Cloud Strife.

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@howlett76
 
I completely agree.
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I've always liked it that Cap was the only one with the Super Soldier Serum.  I didn't know that Nick Fury's serum was anything other than the Eternity formula - I didn't know it was mixed with SSS.  When Operation Rebirth came out, I remember groaning over the fact that the Red Skull was given a blood transfusion from Cap that gave him SSS in his blood as well.  That seemed like too much, so other people suddenly having this serum seems like overkill. 
 
On the other hand, I always find origins like Cap's unlikely, in that it's hard to accept that only one person would react positively to the serum.  And since it was a military project, it seems way more likely that there would be a bunch of guys running around with SSS in their system.  If that was the case though, I'd have a bunch of guys running around with it, just causing problems everywhere.  At least then, Cap would have someone to fight. 
 
One last thought: I know Steve Rogers was 4F when he originally took the formula, but are we really supposed to believe that dumpy little scientist created this super serum, and didn't use it on himself? lol

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he better not have a captain america family like supes,batman, wolverine and spiderman.

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I hope this formula that gave Mockingbird new powers and abilities is temporary. Captain America is special because he was the only one that has the super soldier serum. If they bring it back, then we will have a group of Captain Americas like we do with the Hulks and that is too much imo and a bad idea.

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I don't see why not, other than the storyline is somewhat of a dead horse.

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This would be a horrible Idea.   
 
Reason #1 would be Master Man.  He was given the Nazi Version of the Super Soldier Serum and look how bad of a villain he turned out to be.  I have always thought that the best villains were those that did not posses the same super human abilities as their counter parts but had greater powers.   
 
Reason #2 - Batman Inc., Capt. America would most likely become similar to Bruce where he would travel around looking for other people to take the serum and become a New "Capt. America" want-to-be under the new "Capt. America Corps"
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i want that captain america juice

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i would like to see a incarnation of the super soldier serum mix with the hulks blood as a stabilizer

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@SpectrumBlur said:

@tonis said:

realistically, it would be impossible to believe if they tried it once that they wouldn't try again.

It would be interesting to see a mini series that uncovered all the failed attempts, done from the eyes of like a tabloid reporter trying to uncover what they obviously would cover up :)

I like this idea, possibly as a mini or maxi-series, but I could see it as maybe a conspiracy story, potentially highlighting the graft and corruption the various super soldier programs may have gone through since WWII. This could easily be the plot structure to a "secret history" retcon of a lot of Marvel characters. So many story ideas. I really need to put brakes on my brain here, or I'll be late for work...

yea, you could definitely come up with some interesting secret history plots with something like that, could see it being a 12 issuer.

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@sammo21:  I don't think so....Mockingbird even questions to herself as to why Hawkeye went down while she was the only one unaffected by the dampener
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@danhimself: Could it be just poor work from writers? Would be an interesting twist, but I hope he just stays normal Hawkeye.

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Bringing back the Super Soldier Serum would be a waste, if you think about it: back in the eighties, Cap came up across a shit-ton of supes who got their strength from the Power Broker (John Walker and D-Man come to mind). They mention a couple of times that everyone who took the Power Broker Treatment was stronger and faster than Captain America, and that the only thing that set him apart was years of training and exercise. 
I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that in a world wear there is already a superior strength-enhancement treatment, why bother going through all the trouble to resurrect the Super Soldier Serum?

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@sammo21:  during Dark Reign when the New Avengers were attacked by the Hood who had the power dampener that immobilized the New Avengers with powers...Hawkeye went down....also during the whole Sorcerer Supreme thing there's a panel showing Hawkeye lifting a car off of him
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Well, Super Soldier Serum was a good idea in the 40's, and probably in 50's and 60's but it's a bit dated now. I think authors should find new ideas and concepts, not use the ideas that were good for their fathers. 
The Bushmen of South Africa when they start walking never look behind...and they cover many miles.

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@danhimself: I've not seen Hawkeye do anything that would lead me to believe he has powers...

@Feliciano2040: No, I said he's not been inconsistent. Up until recently, Hulk has been really stupid in Hulk form and then smarter in Banner form. Most people outsmarted the when they fought him. The entire team of the Secret Avengers were going against the Hulks. Are you telling me the Hulk is invincible or something? Steve's taken on many different enemies far more powerful than he and he's come out on top. Just as with every character in comic books the translation is up to the writer, but Steve is capable of going toe to toe with Hulk...if Hulk gets some direct hits in I am sure Steve would be out quickly. Steve is also far more agile and level headed than the Hulk, so it would be easy for Steve to goad him into making mistakes and failing. Again this can change based on different situations and versions of the characters. Example, Old Man Logan Hulk is much different than 616 Hulk or Ultimate Hulk as he was quickly and easily taken down by Wolverine.

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I'm still wondering when they're finally going to acknowledge that Hawkeye has powers after Scarlet Witch brought him back to life

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@sammo21: So now Steve can't take Hulk one on one ? I thought he could according to you.
 
Even then, I can hardly see how adamantium shards suddenly made Hulk susceptible to being punched out by a normal human being.
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@Feliciano2040: Looking back at that issue it seems like this isn't really Steve fighting one on one with the Hulk, especially after Ant-Man is using adamantium shards in Hulk's ears...

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That issue definitely made Bobby the character to watch, Nick Fury never does anything for the obvious reasons he has always been written to be 5 step ahead of everyone, so I look forward to seeing where Bendis will take this plot.

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You ever notice how Mockingbird gets the super soldier formula, and it's a big deal. When Diamondback got it years ago, there were crickets. No one has even mentioned she got the formula when she acted as a test subject for Superia. With it she went on to.. umm...a decidedly C-string career. Oh well,

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@sammo21 said:

I don't think I've ever seen Steve Rogers one punch the Hulk as it involved strategy

 Excuse me ? 
 
What part of punching someone in the face is strategic ?
 

I'm pretty sure it was when he helped Spider-Man out (meaning they both took down the Hulk). In Ultimates he did a lot of stuff to the Hulk outside of just punching him and the Hulk is much different in terms of proportional strength.

I was actually thinking of Incredible Hulks # 614 where Steve Rogers punched The Hulk and knocked him out, strange, given how multiple times we've heard he is just as strong as NORMAL human beings can be.
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@falcomadol
 
not saying she has the resources or the extreme training Bruce does, BUT she is a normal human (even Hawkeye got Pym Particles for awhile and recently had some used to remove the tumor effecting his vision) and she goes toe to toe with and against characters with greater than normal abilities and seems to hold her own.  Now is that due to skill, luck or training.  I say all 3.  Now that she has the SSF in her, not so much a fan as she is another 'supe' not much different than the others.
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@Feliciano2040: Compared to someone who's power is only relational to "how angry are you hulk?" I don't think I've ever seen Steve Rogers one punch the Hulk as it involved strategy and I'm pretty sure it was when he helped Spider-Man out (meaning they both took down the Hulk). In Ultimates he did a lot of stuff to the Hulk outside of just punching him and the Hulk is much different in terms of proportional strength.

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@sammo21: Uhum, he was just going soft on Red Skull when he was fighting the nazis in WW2, sure.
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@crowncoke said:
Mockingbird was the closest thing that Marvel has to Batman.
Uh oh, hope Tony doesn't see this.
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@Feliciano2040: About the same as when I'm using a hammer I know to not always slam it down as hard as I can lest I damage the board I'm trying to put a nail in.

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@sammo21: Friend, as much as Hulk is a PIS factory he is nowhere near as bad as Steve Rogers, who is just absolutely unclear as to what he can or cannot do, that is, unless comics need to boost sales, how is it that being super-strong enough to punch out a creature, whose skin is impermeable to penetration, hasn't accidentally killed enemies of his who have no powers whatsoever, like say, the Red Skull ?
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@Feliciano2040: I think if anything you're proving how inconsistent people are with EVERYONE's powers in comic books. Hulk's done some stupid stuff and then is taken down quickly later on. Cap's powers have always been defined....to what extent a writer goes with it is different. Same for Nick Fury.

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@sammo21: So let me get this straight, a shell shot from a tank can't knock down The Hulk, but a patriotic punch from Steve Rogers can ?
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@Feliciano2040 said:
No.  It's enough as it is that Steve Rogers is the superhero with the most ambiguous, inconsistent, sales-convenient superpower EVER made, having more people with it would be a disaster.
Word and with all the hidden super soldiers and knockoff formulas which have been revealed lately it's a dead concept now. 
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@Feliciano2040: No, I'm not. He's always been considered super strong in the comics, which is why several times he has been able to take the hulk down...which many people have done.

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Off-topic here: Who here thinks Spidey should have a clone reunion special?

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There should be only one Cap.  The SSS gives some longevity but  they should give Cap the Infinity serum so he can retain his youth like Fury.

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Agreed, the Project Rebirth Super Soldier Serum is what makes Steve unique to the Marvel U so to have others going about with such things and similar results kinda takes away the uniqueness.  If Im not mistaken, wasn't Bruce Banner trying to replicate the serum in the Ultimates arena and it ended up being horribly wrong for him and that's how he became the Hulk?  I think it goes to show that the writers want the originality in Steve Rogers just as much as we all do.  Nice that Mockingbird has em but...probably only for a little while if you ask me. After that it just becomes a copycat agenda and that would just bore me to death.

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@sammo21 said:

@Feliciano2040: huh? He has heightened agility, stamina, and strength? WTF are you going on about?

Settle down.
 
The truth here IS that his powers have never been properly standarized, as such, they are conveniently, and inconsistently tweaked by the writers.
 
Or you're going to tell me that Steve Rogers punching The Hulk and knocking him out wasn't PIS ?
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Didn't Norman Osborn inject harry with a mixture of the goblin formula and the super soldier formula?

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They already have... Several times...

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Haven't they been bringing back the super serum for years now, it's just never really worked? The super serum has been a thing that crazy scientists have been chasing in the Marvel Universe for forever now I feel like. They just have the serum not work quite the same way that it did with Cap to keep him unique, but it comes back constantly.

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