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Off My Mind: Repercussions from the Death Of Apocalypse

Is he dead for good? What will the other X-members think of how he was killed?

Apocalypse is dead, is that the end of his story? Not very likely. Now that you should have read Uncanny X-Force #4, let's think about what the events could lead to.
 
Since his first appearance in 1986's X-Factor #5, he's been nothing but trouble for the X-Men and the various other X-teams. As a mutant that has lived for thousands of years, dying and coming back has become just another thing that he can do. His latest return turned out to be a little different. 
 
With each death, Apocalypse has managed to return to his old self (more or less). The current secret team of X-Force decided they were going to kill Apocalypse before he could make his next move. To their surprise, they discovered that Apocalypse had return as a child. This wasn't just a child version of Apocalypse but more like an innocent child being educated with the beliefs of the Apocalypse we all know. 
 
The big dilemma was could they still kill Apocalypse if he was an innocent child or could he be taught to be good? 
  == TEASER == 
Could a kid version of Apocalypse be taught to play nice with everyone? He seemed like an actual innocent kid. It was pretty weird that this time Apocalypse was brought back as a child. He was already getting lessons on hating Xavier's Toads and that they had twisted the natural order. But he was still a kid. 
 
There was a fight. The team was undecided. Finally it appeared a decision was made. The boy would be allowed to live. He would be taken back with them. Then...BLAM! Fantomex did what none of them could do. Apocalypse was dead. The threat of his evil is finally over. 
 
Or is it? 
 
Yesterday Marvel had a press conference on Year of the X-Men. During the Uncanny X-Force portion, Senior X-Editor Nick Lowe said, "Apocalypse is dead. He's never coming back." Apparently there was a hint of sarcasm there. He's been dead before so what's to prevent him from coming back again? Rick Remender also added, "The version of Apocalypse we know is dead." 
 
The last time everyone found out there was a team of X-Force that sanctioned killing, it all hit the fan. What will happen if people find out they killed a kid this time? Was Fantomex out of line in killing the child that would grow up to become Apocalypse? What's going to happen when X-Force journeys to the Age of Apocalypse
 
While it was a big and shocking moment when Fantomex pulled the trigger, does it really matter?  
 
Apocalypse will be back. He has to be. We know he exists in the future when Cable was taken by the Askani to survive the techno-organic virus. We also saw him in the Messiah War crossover. 
 
More importantly, it's been said (in Cable and Deadpool #27) that all it takes is a single drop of Apocalypse's blood for him to survive. When he was shot, there was indeed a bit of blood left. Deadpool should have recalled the discovery he made about how the techno-organic cells can rewrite Apocalypse and bring him back to life. 
Then again, this is Deadpool we're talking about.  
 
The question remains, did Fantomex cross the line? X-Force had every intention to kill him. Some of the members got cold feet when they realized he was just a child at the time. Does the fact that he could return from the dead (again) make it okay? When he does return, will he recall this death and be kind of ticked off? Will X-Force encounter Apocalypse in the Age of Apocalypse reality and will he have any idea about this death? 
 
We know the blood is there to bring him back, now Ozymandias just needs some techno-organic virus cells to complete the resurrection.
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Edited by Lovingdamnation

If Apoc is dead there is still plenty of good story to be told. Hanging with a young  Nathaniel Essex in London, and that entire alien civilization he conquered, thus gaining his ship and bodysuit.
And if he isn't, which I hope is the case, I have to wonder if Kang left any time-travel tech behind? cloning/resurrecting wouldn't be all that necessary, within minutes he could create a whole Apocalypse army, but then who would lead?

Posted by HellionVulcan

Fantomex could've made them believe he shot child apocalypse but i don't get it in x-force apocalypse was dragging away Stryfe & then he turns up as a child just confuses me but i doubt hes dead as hes meant to be Immortal for a reason .

Posted by Neverpraying

I doubt he is dead.

Posted by Eyz

"As a mutant that has lived for thousands of years, dying and coming back has become just another thing that he can do. His latest return turned out to be a little different.  "
 
I guess it's a standard mutant power.
Make it a superhero power. 
Marvel, DC, etc..

Posted by Chesapeake
@HellionVulcan:
Good point, maybe it's the time travel issue.
Posted by wandfc

I don't like the direction marvel has taken with apocalypse, to me he has always been more than just a mutant. I see his character more as force of nature than just some rogue, so to see him return as a child is just weird. As for fantomex  well,  X-Force came to do a job and  he executed it.  Whether you see it as Apocalypse was killed or a potentially  innocent child was murdered, what you have to keep in mind is the fact that he will return.

Posted by DH69

i found it hilarious how he just walked in and shot the brat lol.

 

has Apocalypse ever been takin out that fast? 
 
he's a bad guy, killin him b4 he does anything is just a precautionary measure. If you could go back in time and shoot hitler as a child despite the effect it could have on the present, you could bet your ass more people would say yes and do it before even thinking about the fact that he's still a child.

Posted by perry_411

I'm okay with removing Apocalypse from Marvel for a few years. They've dumped Sinister and Jean Grey. It allows them to try other stories and possibly get new exciting stories. Per the X-Force journey to the Age of Apocalypse-does it really matter? Magneto ripped him in half there, Holocaust, Nate Grey, and Sugar Man were removed from the universe and later killed. 

Posted by thatlad

The thing about the drop of blood was because of the TO virus that cable brought from the future and accidently infected a past Apoc with.  
 
For the drop of blood thing to work he has to have the TO virus in him, this child version didn't have the TO virus so therefore THAT version cant come back. We still don't know for certain what happened the version taken by the celestials yet

Posted by CaptainCyke

We can't forget that a certain Marvel hero is currently AWOL with Apocalypse's blood running through his veins.

Edited by thecheckeredman

-SNORE- 
 
Ooohhh, someone died in a comic, is this news?  He'll be back.  Booooooring...

Posted by Billy Batson
@thecheckeredman said:
" -SNORE-  Ooohhh, some one died in a comic, is this news?  He'll be back.  Booooooring... "
Posted by ComicMan24
@HellionVulcan said:
" Fantomex could've made them believe he shot child apocalypse . "
This. I mean do we even know if he is really dead? Fantomex could have easily used his misdirection to make us and his teammates think he is dead. But even if he is really dead, he will be back eventually. Almost everybody does.
Posted by antiterra

We all know hardly anybody ever dies in mainstream comics, but I'm in no hurry to see Apocalypse again - not because I don't like him, but because I found this particular incarnation and the nature-vs-nurture twist upon the classic arch-nemesis formula very refreshing.

With such a big moral conflict arising within the team  so early in the book, this new X-Force has hit the ground running. The conflict's "resolution" (if you can call it that) was shocking and that's the aftermath I'm looking forward to: not the big picture repercussions, but those within the team. The small-scale, character-level drama is usually the most interesting to me as a reader, so if Remender can continue to deliver such gripping storylines, it should be quite a ride.

Posted by SupremoMaximo

He's only dead on this dream level.  

Posted by InnerVenom123
@SupremoMaximo said:
" He's only dead on this dream level.   "
LMFAO
Posted by Joe Venom

Oh he will be back! for he is "as far beyond mutants as mutants are beyond us", however the constant death and return of Apocalypse has never bothered me tho, I look at it more as a an 'act of god' like a tornado or an earthquake but on a superhero scale they never know when it will happen (well Cable does sometime) but they know they better be prepared.
 
I did however enjoy Deadpool's reaction it sort of caught me of guard, I thought he would be the only one not thinking about the kids death, looking to the future I do hope that Jubilee will join the team with her new power set and attitude she would make a perfect addition to the team.

Posted by .o0Johnny0o.

Crossing my fingers some genius won't come up with Lady Apocalypse.

Posted by Darkjayven

Instead of Fantomex killing the kid it should have been Kimbo Slice with punches to that punk little kid's head.

Posted by IronSpidy-Rooney

Are X-force going to the AoA universe ?

Posted by PabloMcFly

I for one would have loved to see the newest member of X-Force be Kid Apocalypse, working side by side with X-Force instead of against them, kind of like a Nate Summers thing, what apocalypse could be with different beliefs.

Posted by longbowhunter
@PabloMcFly said:
"I for one would have loved to see the newest member of X-Force be Kid Apocalypse, working side by side with X-Force instead of against them, kind of like a Nate Summers thing, what apocalypse could be with different beliefs. "

Me too. I thought this was the direction the story was heading until Fantomex pulled that trigger.
Posted by manofsteel42

Fantomex was right for doing what he did! They said they where going to do somthing and then they wanted to back out because their target was a boy? Hes Apocalypse! Hes bad and he'll never change. For a group of killers they sure are a bunch of vaginas. If that was me I would have shot the kid the second someone said " We cant he's just a kid" and then shot them as well for backing out. Thats how the bad guys come back and mess everything up, stupid people w/ their "feelings & morals" Thats also why the bad guys do what they do, Bad guys have no fear of dying cause they know the good guys will never kill them even tho the bad guys kill the innocent.
Posted by MrFantastic

Why didn't the Future Force stop white suit Spiderman from killing Apocalypse?

Posted by Bestostero

You can never get rid Apocalypse, they should know that by now lol

Posted by weaponxxx

Fantomex used his misdirection powers to makes it appear as though he killed Apocalypse, but really he is going to raise the child as his own for his own nefarious purposes....

Posted by TheAmazingCondraic

Never mind if hes really dead or not(prob not)
 
X-force was formed so they could take out dangerous targets, not run a day care
it may have been morally wrong to kill an innocencent kid but thats the point
X-force was meant to break the rules Fantomex did the job they all agreed to do no matter what

Posted by Midnight Monk

The Final Horsemen are still alive so he'll be back with a vengeance no doubt

Edited by ngroove

FANTOMEX????  WHY FANTOMEX??  And as a KID???  Really, why couldn't it be Cable, or Cyclops, in a BIGGER scale, more important, A-list title, say, X-MEN????
Posted by karrob
@DH69 said:
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i found it hilarious how he just walked in and shot the brat lol.

 

has Apocalypse ever been takin out that fast? 
 
he's a bad guy, killin him b4 he does anything is just a precautionary measure. If you could go back in time and shoot hitler as a child despite the effect it could have on the present, you could bet your ass more people would say yes and do it before even thinking about the fact that he's still a child.

"
I agree! 
Posted by Raul_The_Man

I was certainly surprised when I read the issue. After all was decided and I thought,"huh, they are actually going to bring him with them. Interesting." BLAM Fantomex shoots him in the head, that was pretty crazy.  
I mean he was really just a kid with no prior knowledge of whom he was. He could have grown to become a great ally of the X-Men. But then he could have remembered what he was and all his history sometime in later and turned evil...but to kill a kid because of what might be, wow.
Posted by JonesDeini
@HellionVulcan said:
" Fantomex could've made them believe he shot child apocalypse but i don't get it in x-force apocalypse was dragging away Stryfe & then he turns up as a child just confuses me but i doubt hes dead as hes meant to be Immortal for a reason . "
Continuity, why should it matter :P
Posted by ImperiousRix

When I saw Apocalypse was a kid, I figured that they wouldn't go this route and they'd find some way to spare the kid. 
Guess I was wrong, Marvel ain't got qualms against cappin' a kid. 
Apocalypse will definitely be back.  He's one of the biggest X-Men villains, so he'll come back eventually.

Posted by HellionVulcan
@ngroove said:
" FANTOMEX????  WHY FANTOMEX??  And as a KID???  Really, why couldn't it be Cable, or Cyclops, in a BIGGER scale, more important, A-list title, say, X-MEN???? "
Cable died so unless some one revives him or something a dead corpse can't kill a living being .
Posted by jcj145
@MrFantastic:  lmao
Posted by AskaniSon295

I think Phantomax has his own agenda. I think he may have let the others believed he killed Apoc-kid-lypse and then kidnapped him. He also through Shaw out of his e.v.a. so him being a double agent is a definate possibilty. If Warren thought apocaylypse is dead he won't search for him so he can regain strength.

Posted by TDK_1997

I never liked Apocalypse that much.So i don't care

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Posted by Omertalvendetta
@ngroove: I'd say Uncanny X-Force deserves this kind of spotlight.... that is the main reason Fantomex shot him and "killed" him in what you consider a B-list title, in hopes of getting new readers to give this truly great comic a chance...  The stuff happening in the current A-List titles of the X-Men are honestly pretty weak compared to this series.  Then again, it's the X-Men, and they're often hit or miss.
Posted by jordama

Spoiler much?

Posted by Coldbrand

Uh, resurrecting himself is kind of Apocalypse's specialty. I wouldn't look too deeply into this. Let's just hope we can get back En Sabah Nur proper and not some little kid. 

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Posted by G Bird
@HellionVulcan said:
" Fantomex could've made them believe he shot child apocalypse but i don't get it in x-force apocalypse was dragging away Stryfe & then he turns up as a child just confuses me but i doubt hes dead as hes meant to be Immortal for a reason . "
That's a good point, it's possible that he could have just tricked everyone into believing they saw him get shot in the heard. But if that was so, he would secretly be a bad guy by letting him live and grow up to become the Apocalypse they were training him to be. Fantomex may be a little shady but I doubt he's working for Apocalypse. That would certainly be an awesome plot twist though!
Posted by hrdwrkngXsoldier

@G-Man 
 
 
 
 

One thing you have failed to examine is the fact Marvel 616 Apocalypse WAS NOT DEAD!  Therefore there was no need to resurrect him.   Most people are thinking back to the last story arch we saw the character used in.   The Messiah War story set in a possible future, when Cable and Hope were jumping through time on the run from Bishop.   However, in 616 continuity, the last we saw the Big Purple A was in the storyline giving us his new horsemen.   (ala Death Gambit, Pestilence Polaris, etc…).   Many try to forget this story, The Blood of Apocalypse, where Apocalypse rose up and gave humanity a deadline to cull their own ranks by 90% or he would make them extinct.   In X-Men #186, Apocalypse was carted off by the Celestial who empowered him so to have him repay his debt.   The Celestial specifically told Apocalypse it was not his time to die, but for something else.   This would lead us to wonder why they were “resurrecting” their leader to begin with.   Clan Akkaba doing this ritual does not mean the child was actually Apocalypse.   He could have just been infused with enough of the blood to almost be a clone.  

I notice also people chiming in about Cable and such regarding this issue.   Why not wonder more about the individuals who have a direct blood link to Apocalypse, Chamber and Blink.   Chamber is said to have been repowered, but has yet to use the newly imbued powers and still uses the technology based power set as Decibel.   Blink is back thanks to Selene.   We know she saved Dazzler’s sister from impending doom when she blinked them out, and have seen Mortis post-Necrosha.   This would imply Blink is also alive.

Did Fantomex shoot the kid?   We may not know.   As others have stated, it is entirely possible he used his powers to make the team believe he snuffed the kid.   I thought they would at least take the body to make sure.   (It is “Apocalypse” after all.)   We also have the mystery of the World and Fantomex going on right now.   Who is it he is competing against in the World?   There will definitely be some link, I believe it may tie to this “Apocalypse” situation.

As for the morals involved in shooting a being in the face who is inherently evil, I see no problem with it at all.   This mostly stems from personal philosophies and really can only be answered through a series of existential questions.   Everybody is going to have their own opinion on the matter depending on a multitude of things, personal beliefs, culture, and life experiences.   Do I think the child could have been saved?   Sure.   Would I be willing to take the gamble?   Nope.   BANG!!!   Double tap just in case.   BANG!!!

Posted by JonesDeini
@coldbrand:  
This arc was shit and forced me to drop the title. This WAS NOT Apocalypse. Nothing about this character was in line with established continuity. As far as Fantomex capping the little bastard, fine by me. No words for how frustrated the end of this comic made me. We have 3 issues of efficient, cold, focused killers and then all of a sudden Betsy's hormones make her feel motherly, Warren's schitzo puss out moment, and Wolverine wanting to have a heart...fuck outta here with that shit. You can't change a persons motivation and moral position in 3 pages, it just doesn't work. It's bad writing, Remender.  
 
I really don't see what people like about this book. The teams imbalanced, the first arc was weak, the characterizations are stale (aside from Fantomex), and it says fuck character continuity at any given chance. Only thing good about this book was Opena's artwork. 
Posted by JonesDeini
@hrdwrkngXsoldier said:
"
@G-Man 
 
 
 
 

One thing you have failed to examine is the fact Marvel 616 Apocalypse WAS NOT DEAD!  Therefore there was no need to resurrect him.   Most people are thinking back to the last story arch we saw the character used in.   The Messiah War story set in a possible future, when Cable and Hope were jumping through time on the run from Bishop.   However, in 616 continuity, the last we saw the Big Purple A was in the storyline giving us his new horsemen.   (ala Death Gambit, Pestilence Polaris, etc…).   Many try to forget this story, The Blood of Apocalypse, where Apocalypse rose up and gave humanity a deadline to cull their own ranks by 90% or he would make them extinct.   In X-Men #186, Apocalypse was carted off by the Celestial who empowered him so to have him repay his debt.   The Celestial specifically told Apocalypse it was not his time to die, but for something else.   This would lead us to wonder why they were “resurrecting” their leader to begin with.   Clan Akkaba doing this ritual does not mean the child was actually Apocalypse.   He could have just been infused with enough of the blood to almost be a clone.  

I notice also people chiming in about Cable and such regarding this issue.   Why not wonder more about the individuals who have a direct blood link to Apocalypse, Chamber and Blink.   Chamber is said to have been repowered, but has yet to use the newly imbued powers and still uses the technology based power set as Decibel.   Blink is back thanks to Selene.   We know she saved Dazzler’s sister from impending doom when she blinked them out, and have seen Mortis post-Necrosha.   This would imply Blink is also alive.

Did Fantomex shoot the kid?   We may not know.   As others have stated, it is entirely possible he used his powers to make the team believe he snuffed the kid.   I thought they would at least take the body to make sure.   (It is “Apocalypse” after all.)   We also have the mystery of the World and Fantomex going on right now.   Who is it he is competing against in the World?   There will definitely be some link, I believe it may tie to this “Apocalypse” situation.

As for the morals involved in shooting a being in the face who is inherently evil, I see no problem with it at all.   This mostly stems from personal philosophies and really can only be answered through a series of existential questions.   Everybody is going to have their own opinion on the matter depending on a multitude of things, personal beliefs, culture, and life experiences.   Do I think the child could have been saved?   Sure.   Would I be willing to take the gamble?   Nope.   BANG!!!   Double tap just in case.   BANG!!!

"
Exactly, there's no way that kid was Apocalypse, love how everybody conveniently forgets cannon...
Posted by Trodorne

Was Hope not chosen to be a host for Apocalypse?

Posted by leokearon

Did  Fantomex    cross the line? This is Fantomex we are talking about, what line is there for him to cross
Posted by Virus_Warning
@CaptainCyke said:
" We can't forget that a certain Marvel hero is currently AWOL with Apocalypse's blood running through his veins. "
I was going to say the exact same thing...
-Virus
Posted by Yumulu

Been there done that.
 
Anyway right major spoiler in the title.

Posted by G-Man
@jordama: 
@Yumulu:
 Uncanny X-Force #4 (where this happened) came out on January 26. With the way the publishers and internet spoils things, I felt waiting over a month to discuss this was sufficient. I understand that some wait for the trades but these images have been all over. Sorry if I spoiled it for anyone.
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