Comic Vine News

83 Comments

Off My Mind: Parallel Worlds in the "New 52"

Are there still 52 different worlds and is it a good idea to use them now?

Things are finally settling down in the DC Universe. Since September, we've been reading about the familiar and new versions of the heroes in the DCU. There has been a lot of focus on allowing each character to be developed individually but now we're starting to see more crossovers between the different characters.

The idea of the "New 52" was to have a fresh start without completely rewriting everything that was already established in the last few decades. New readers are now getting used to who these characters are and the same can be said, in some cases, for long time readers as we're seeing the new interactions unfold.

No Caption Provided

In May we'll be seeing EARTH TWO, a series focusing on familiar heroes from a parallel world. These won't necessarily be the same version of heroes that has been established. Heroes from parallel worlds are popping up in other titles as well. This leads to the questions of will this make sense for new readers and do we have 52 parallel worlds or are we back to an infinite number?

== TEASER ==
No Caption Provided

EARTH TWO was first announced as a title for the Justice Society of America. Heroes such as Jay Garrick, Alan Scott, Wildcat and others have been absent from the "New 52" Universe. Somewhere along the way to the release date of the title being announced, the name was changed to focus on the fact that this is a different "Earth.'

Power Girl hasn't been seen but Karen Star was in the pages of MISTER TERRIFIC. There hasn't been any mention of Donna Troy but it appears she could be on the cover to EARTH TWO #1 (along with Superboy dressed as Superman and Dick Grayson dressed as Batman).

There has been debate over whether or not the HUNTRESS mini-series by Paul Levitz and Marcus To took place in the "New 52" universe or on Earth Two. We've been told there would be a connection between that book, JSA and BIRDS OF PREY.

Another title announced for May, WORLD'S FINEST, will include Power Girl and Huntress, from Earth Two, on the "New 52" Earth, trying to find their way back home. That won't be confusing for new and old readers, right?

Earth Two isn't the only parallel worlds we'll be hearing from. In ACTION COMICS #9, Grant Morrison will be showing us some other parallel worlds as well.

Featuring characters from parallel Earths, including PRESIDENT SUPERMAN! Guest artist GENE HA joins GRANT MORRISON for this tale of not one, not two, but THREE Earths! And in the backup story, President Superman must stop a nuclear attack – but he can’t leave the White House!
No Caption Provided
No Caption Provided

President Superman was seen in FINAL CRISIS #7 (also by Grant Morrison). We didn't get to see a lot of President Superman in FINAL CRISIS. It's always fun to visit parallel worlds to see the different variations of familiar characters but putting them in actual ongoing issues could be a problem.

This is why DC created the Elseworlds concept, telling "What If" stories on separate, parallel worlds. But having parallel worlds and the characters mix with the core characters can cause confusion.

Crisis on Infinite Earths was created to clean up the multiverse in DC Comics. We were left with just one universe. Then years later, this started to unwind. After other "crises" came and then we were left with 52 different "Earths."

With "The New 52," not only do we not know full details on the histories of the characters in the current books. We also don't know details on the entire universe. We don't know what the status is anymore.

Back in October, co-publisher Dan DiDio suggested that Crisis on Infinite Earths might not have happened now.

Yes, there have been “crisis” in our characters lives, but they aren’t exactly the Crisis you read before, they can’t be. Now, what this means for characters seen and unseen……

With Flashpoint, there was mention of three timelines becoming one again.

No Caption Provided

We know the Wildstorm (Earth-50) and Vertigo (Earth-13) worlds have been combined. Does that mean there are now only fifty "Earths" or has two other variations taken their place? Then again, we could be back to an infinite number in the Multiverse.

Now imagine trying to explain all of that to new readers. They might be familiar with the idea from shows like Star Trek, Sliders, Fringe and even Lost but when it comes to superhero characters with loads of history, introducing variations of those might be too much. We're still waiting to see a reappearance from Pandora, the mysterious pink lady (seen above) in FLASHPOINT and all the #1s in the "New 52" issues. Most likely when she does show up again, it's going to be even messier than it already is.

83 Comments

Avatar image for flakeking
FlakeKing

532

Forum Posts

1175

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Is the new 52 Multiverse Infinite?

Avatar image for cobramorph
COBRAMORPH

1884

Forum Posts

650

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By COBRAMORPH

@jumpstart55 said:

Something tells me the original DC Universe will return, and this new 52 universe will be temporary or distanced as a separate universe like the ultimate marvel universe and the regular marvel universe earth 616.

If I recall, Earth-13 was "sorta" Vertigo. But Vertigo itself was still seperate. If Twilight of the New Gods still counts, one of the earths, 49 I think, was destroyed, but a new one grew in its place, right? So, if Vertigo, or E-13 merged with Wildstorm & the main earth into the New-52, hopefully the new-52 is in what was wildstorm & the pre-Flashpoint is still around & it'll get focused on again soon

Avatar image for krspacet
krspaceT

1943

Forum Posts

7012

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 59

User Lists: 13

Edited By krspaceT

The alternate earths would allow for more Elseworld stories to pop up.

Avatar image for jumpstart55
jumpstart55

11027

Forum Posts

268

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 14

Edited By jumpstart55

Something tells me the original DC Universe will return, and this new 52 universe will be temporary or distanced as a separate universe like the ultimate marvel universe and the regular marvel universe earth 616.

Avatar image for xscorchedx
xScorchedx

86

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

Edited By xScorchedx

@jnocomski: Thanks for pointing that out! I'm a new reader and all of this stuff makes perfect sense to me, why do they assume new readers can't process alternate earths? I find the concept extremely entertaining, I say bring em on!

Avatar image for monkeytoe
MonkeyToe

416

Forum Posts

345

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 19

User Lists: 0

Edited By MonkeyToe

I am a new reader and I don't have any problem grasping the concept of Earth-2 so far. From what I see, the only characters they are mentioning from Earth-2 are Power Girl and Huntress. If these two characters only exist on Earth-2 and not Earth-1, where is the confusion? 2 out of 52 titles dealing with an alternate universe seems plenty gradual to me, it's not like we have this entire new group of heroes to keep track of. And even if we do get that in April, we'll at least have the handy label "EARTH 2" written right on the comic book.

Not confused at all.

Avatar image for deserthunter24
DesertHunter24

126

Forum Posts

1135

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 14

Edited By DesertHunter24

Well, I think, they will present us the new universes sooner or later...To be honest, first I thought that Wildstorm Universe and Vertigo Universe were now to become part of the DC Main Universe...I would appreciate that even more! I'd like to see the Watchmen get their a$$es kicked by JL, JLA, Teen Titans or the WildC.A.T.S. ...especially if Dr. Mahatten would get his a$$ kicked by Captain Atom or Void! But if it's like you say, then I hope he'll get his a$$ kicked by Void anyway...

Avatar image for deadpool25mm
deadpool25mm

864

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

Edited By deadpool25mm

Sounds cool, think ill try it.

Avatar image for leonardeugenius
LeonardEugenius

7

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By LeonardEugenius

I've never been a fan of the way DC handles their parallel universes. To me, everything ends up getting really convoluted.

Avatar image for fmiller
fmiller

2

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By fmiller

I'm personally interested in the Earth 2 book and World's finest. It remains to be seen if new readers will be able to pick up on the stories.

Avatar image for jnocomski
jnocomski

6

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By jnocomski

Are "new readers" that dumb?! I don't think so.

The New 52 Wave 1 comics took place on DC Main Earth.

Some of the New 52 Wave 2 titles will take place on Earth 2.

Action Comics #9 will feature a story of Superman from another Earth.

Buy what you like!

Avatar image for hulkteamup
HULKTEAMUP

23

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By HULKTEAMUP

since I'm a new reader to D.C. I wouldn't use the paralles just yet becuase I would get totally confused. I hope when D.C. decided to do this again I hope they have a good plan and do so in bringing it about gradually for us newbies.

Avatar image for monarch2016
monarch2016

1564

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By monarch2016

bring back earth prime and superboy prime

Avatar image for zackattack529
zackattack529

1408

Forum Posts

73

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By zackattack529

im guessing that the pandora chick is gonna lead to the first new 52 crisis....if there even is gonna be a crisis in the new 52 after the FINAL CRISIS back pre-52

in any event im just going to enjoy reading about the paralell versions of the superheros that the new 52 can bring..that is the point of the new 52, to cater to newer readers but still to give older readers the same pleasure, so if the history of the other crisis have been erased to make a new paralell worlds conecept by all means DC go ahed and give it your best shot. but just dont make it a huge crossover even in which id have to be spedning all my money to figure it out lol

Avatar image for davidgrantlloyd
davidgrantlloyd

553

Forum Posts

25

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 7

Edited By davidgrantlloyd

This doesn't seem too bad an idea. I got no problem with it.

Avatar image for onyxwave
onyxwave

75

Forum Posts

7610

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By onyxwave

@Wowlock said:

@Grim:

Have to agree with you there...

This kind of transition really mess many things up. I mean sure you can show what has changed with each issue but it still won't cover up the big Plot-holes that stand like a Black Hole...sucking every meaningful story of the past into oblivion.

It is a good thing that you wanna start fresh and get new readers but not at the expense of the past stories and current fans.

I spoke my mind before the New 52 released and said '' If they wanna go fresh, just create a new universe like Ultimate or M2 , might seem like copiying Marvel but it will be a lot smoother then messing up with the current stories. ''

These new series suppose to keep current fans happy with the characters they KNOW and LOVE while helping new readers to understand characters easier...but with soo many changes and event going on , I think it fell short on the both parts...

I have to agree with you here. It would have made WAY MORE sense to leave the DC Universe as it was and create a completely new DC parallel universe similar to Marvel Ultimate Universe. It doesn't have to be the same in concept, but it could have easily been the same in execution. Now they've combined the Vertigo and Wildstorm universes? What was the point of that? Whomever is running DC right now obviously has no respect for history, and seemingly little understanding of how to simplify a fictional world. This may all work out and make sense in the end after a year or two of this new group of universes. However, I must say that it would have made WAY MORE SENSE to fully establish each new parallel universe one by one, with each new universe being introduced one or two years apart. This would have much easier for new readers to follow along. Plus this would have allowed both new and pre-existing readers to get familiarized with the new and how it affects the old and relates to the old. The way they make it seem they are doing things currently is just throwing everything into a grab bag, shaking it up, and then blindly grabbing things out of it and giving that to the readers. It just doesn't feel like THEY EVEN KNOW where this is all going! The fact that they cancelled so many "New 52" titles already just lets me know that those books didn't fit into the overall picture of what they were trying to establish here with this "All New 52" concept, and makes me now wonder if there even is an OVERALL PICTURE. I'll just end with the hope that all will make perfect sense a couple years down the road.

Avatar image for kim_so
Kim-so

132

Forum Posts

437

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Kim-so

PLEASE DC! RETURN THE PRÉ-CRISIS, THE HEROES PRÉ-CRISIS NEED BACK.

Avatar image for badaboop
badaboop

150

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By badaboop

I like the idea of exploring different concepts via alternate universes, like the rumor that the Batman on the cover of Earth 2 might be Dick Grayson. That'd be awesome to see again, I loved him as Batman before the reboot. But I think it's still too early to introduce alternate realities into the New 52. I feel like they should have waited at least a year or two, letting the characters naturally develop with their new histories before introducing alternate realities. If done correctly, it'll be interesting, allowing the writers to use characters and ideas that may have been erased since the start of the New 52. I'd love to see a world with Wally West, for example, I feel like he's a character that has a big enough fanbase, it was a shame to see him go. Then again, writers can sometimes go a little overboard with alternate universes because of how much enthusiasm they have with plotting new stories they wouldn't normally be able to. Soon the entire thing blows up out of proportion and becomes a massive headache. So, they just need to tread lightly. The new Earth 2 definitely has potential, I'm interested to see where it goes, I just hope it doesn't lead to overly complex storylines that compromise on the accessibility that the New 52 is meant to offer to new DC fans like me.

Avatar image for the_impersonator
The Impersonator

10223

Forum Posts

23956

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 31

User Lists: 50

Edited By The Impersonator

I liked the concept of the multiple universe stories being told from DC. But re-introducing this idea to the new 52 would cause a massive headache. We already have an altered timeline in our hands, the new 52.

Avatar image for jonesdeini
JonesDeini

3874

Forum Posts

224

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 212

User Lists: 9

Edited By JonesDeini

@doordoor123 said:

As someone who isn't a new reader, I don't think you have the right to talk about what new readers will and won't understand. They didn't understand the New 52 before picking the books up. I'm sure they'll be fine. It'll be explained in the books and it'll be fine.

Everyone was a new reader once in their lives. How did you figure out who the Justice Society was? DId someone explain Crisis on Infinite Earths to you?

You see what I mean?

Well said, folk. With the internet diving back in and doing the leg work to catch up is just a few key strokes and clicks away.

Avatar image for frogjitsu
frogjitsu

497

Forum Posts

85

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 10

Edited By frogjitsu

Why the concern for the new readers? They have no context. All they know is the new 52, which taken by itself, isn't confusing at all. Problems and confusion only occur when you try to link the New 52 with the old continuity. So really, its the old readers you should be concerned about, since they are the only ones who know the old continuity, and are upset with the change.

Avatar image for decept_o
Decept-O

8097

Forum Posts

33607

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 31

User Lists: 6

Edited By Decept-O

@TheElusiveNewReader: It is hard for me to even offer up a concrete opinion regarding any of it because there is so much going on. I like a lot of things going on but not in this way. OK, well you make a point that I feared is happening even though I am just a reader myself. I really like DC but it is getting harder and harder to continue with their titles and defend them when things are so chaotic.

I keep thinking I am being too harsh. Yet I don't think I am, because DC has so much potential with so many great characters and ideas yet all that ever happens are these "Crises" and what is true isn't true but happened yet didn't happen stories. Trying to keep an open mind to it all and maybe I am wrong with my opinion.

Avatar image for texasdeathmatch
texasdeathmatch

14214

Forum Posts

30

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By texasdeathmatch

Wow DC writers did not waste any time letting that sh*tstorm loose.

Wasn't that the reason they wanted to start over to begin with?

Avatar image for theelusivenewreader
TheElusiveNewReader

53

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@Decept-O: This is it exactly. As much as I loved the Justice league cartoon I grew up with I just couldn't get into comics because there was just too much and it was so confusing when I'd read the overviews on this site. With the new 52 I thought I could finally tap into this universe that so interested me and make sense of it. I can understand wanting to have a world where you can use characters without consequences, and I think if they take it slow and not have worlds where the only thing that has changed is Batman's eye color i should be able to keep up.

Avatar image for ironherc
IronHerc

229

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 101

User Lists: 2

Edited By IronHerc

If used well, there is no problem. There is nothing wrong with that and it isn't confusing at all. What? that there are an infinite amount of different earths with alternative versions of yourself? what is there to be confused about?

Avatar image for michiel76
Michiel76

192

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

Edited By Michiel76

I'm a new reader, haven't read any DC comics before the new 52, never ever. (and i have read comics for over 20 years)

As i see it they have a brand new "regular" new 52 universe, why the rush of adding yet a new earth 2 universe? Can't they flesh out this universe some more? It hasn't even been a whole year yet.

I'm still in the fase of figuring out who everybody is and what their relation is to one another. e.g. i still need to look up Karen Starr on comicvine and find out that she is powergirl.

Avatar image for video_martian
Video_Martian

5650

Forum Posts

2349

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Video_Martian

BRAIN FART!!!

Avatar image for cadaver
cadaver

174

Forum Posts

6460

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 1

Edited By cadaver

I was collecting titles from DC before the new 52. They were cancelled of course. I read some of the new ones and didn't like them. Now I collect no titles from DC. Is this is permanent, the new 52? Or are they going back to the 'old' 52 after a year? What's this about Superman as president? Thought you had to be born in the USA to be president.

Avatar image for bloodtalon
BloodTalon

483

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By BloodTalon

I forgot to mention before that I am all for a multivers and I hope it's infinite

Avatar image for ganthetsward20
Ganthetsward20

724

Forum Posts

2126

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 23

User Lists: 3

Edited By Ganthetsward20

Everyone needs to calm down, in my opinion DC hasn't taken this relaunch as far as I had hoped and has made some mistakes. I'm not the most avid reader but I know enough. When I started reading the parallel worlds was something that attracted me to more reading of comics. Its just something people may find to be 'too much' but if they put good writers on the titles that cover these Else Worlds who are known for having wrote good books that got new readers to actually read them, then DC should be fine. Considering this is the New 52 maybe we'll start to see even more weird thing (to us who are familiar to the DC universe) that will make it understandable for newbies.

Avatar image for shimmy
Shimmy

22

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Shimmy

I'm sorry, but has it been confirmed that that's Donna and Conner on the cover of Earth-2?

Avatar image for askanison295
AskaniSon295

453

Forum Posts

65

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By AskaniSon295

There is an unending amount of realities, some are more interesting than others it does matter what DC Says or doesn't says. You can give them numbers like Marvel does or just give them names or a character refference like "the Dark Night Rises universe". It really doesn't matter what matters is that the stories being told are interesting and as anyone who has a written a fanfic knows their doesn't take place in a certain universe but after a certain point in a different universe. What I don't get is why the people who hate the New52 so much don't just create a world where Flashpint didn't happen and just continue on the old DCU Like what Claremont did with X-Men Forever. It doesn't matter what universe you enjoy reading about watching playing in. It just matters that you enjoy the stories and art. New52 Warblade looks so freakin' sick/awesome.

Avatar image for gordo789
Gordo789

218

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 13

User Lists: 0

Edited By Gordo789

If having multiple universes is the only way we can get more Power Girl and JSA, then yes, by all means do it.

Avatar image for herx
Herx

532

Forum Posts

624

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 86

User Lists: 1

Edited By Herx

When DC previously had to deal with multible realities it was maily due to the older omic fans asking for a reason why superman, batman or wonder woman didn't call up their old friends from the JSA to join them in their new team the JLA in the 60's. A simple explanation was put out, the stories that took place during the late 30's to the mid 50's took place on a parallel earth called earth-2. The events that took place from then ords took place on earth-1, where the main universe was. This was simple to understand, it allowed for stories to be taking place on the 2 earths, and fans knew the difference as it stated inside all of the JSA titles that the series took place on earth-2, a parallel earth. People could understnad it.

Then DC strted to purchase other comic companies and tried to keep the characters from thoes companies alive by placing them on other multiple earths, it was a simple thing to do as DC rarely, if not, used these characters so there as little to be confused about, and even if superman had gone and had a team-up with captain marvel it was stated that he was travelling to a parallel earth. Simple to grasp.

What really made the concepts of the multivers confusing was that writers wanted to create their own stories about characters outside of cannon, putting their own spin on their origins (which i guess is fair enough) using the parallel universe concept as a way of allowing them to do it. Hence Elseworld titles, great for most of us as we got some awsum stories out of them, but as well as that we also got some bad titles out of them. Soon elseworld titles were sprouting up everywhere and with no real indication that they were taking place on a parallel earth. Hence Crisis came, and we all know the story from then on.

What im trying to say is that the idea of parallel worlds inst a bad one, so long as their titles are limited, are clearly shown to be taking place on the other earth, be it on the cover of the book e.g. Earth-2 presents:....., or in the case of president superman has the usual text box saying "on the parallel world of earth-?......". But also that DC should have a firmer grip on their writers and their creativity (which might sound strange and wrong, killing creativity) as it might be fun having a book where flash is actualy a lumberjack who juggles sharks, but it then opens the flood gates which will result in another kind of "crisis on multiple earths" to clear it up.............. It also doesnt help that dc decided to keep the Pandora character, as it seems that she'll just be used as some sort of deusexmahina to trigger the next big event when istead of tidying up their universe DC decides to shake it up and hope that everything falls into place.

Avatar image for catpanexe
CATPANEXE

9505

Forum Posts

2901

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

Edited By CATPANEXE

Trying to collect any thoughts on this, but the President Superman thing has me side winded. I think I said most of it in the last thread you made about the same things anyways. I agree with anyone saying new readers won't be confused. I still stand that your too focused on the details of continuity prior to DCnU, when the whole point of New 52 was to remove that continuity from the equation so the books would be more adaptable to new readers vs convoluted by decades of details, same as was the intent of Zero Hour before it. Also, and simply, if people can read in the first place that states that they're not so stupid as to not be able to understand what it is that they're reading, especially when they probably read that this line departs from things like silver age continuity and they won't need to apply nor figure out how it adds up, since it actually doesn't. I'm sorry but for example the actions of the Time Trapper from some really old story have no bearing here. That's kind of the entire point.

Avatar image for decept_o
Decept-O

8097

Forum Posts

33607

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 31

User Lists: 6

Edited By Decept-O

@RedheadedAtrocitus: You bring up good points here. Personally I am looking at a lot of this from the perspective of a new reader, would he or she really catch on and get involved with all that is currently happening and has happened? I'd think they may be overwhelmed right now.

Initially I thought the "52" would bring about some cohesion but if that is going to happen, it is taking awhile to get to that point. Granted I only sampled a few new titles but I felt disappointed and a bit out of place, it was just a bit much for me to follow.

Perhaps it will get streamlined but currently it seems like a bit of a muddled mess. Hate to say wait and see but I guess that will be the case but how many readers will be willing to do just that-- wait and see?

Avatar image for redheadedatrocitus
RedheadedAtrocitus

6958

Forum Posts

8982

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 3

For some reason, I think alot of this confusion that you contend in this article will be made clear when Grant Morrison's "Multiversity" finally comes to print. At this point I don't think it will be too much yet to put forth all this multiversal stuff to readers, especially for new ones to DC, but I do see the potential of it becoming confusing later on if it leads to an infinite multiverse as you suggest. For now we should just comfort ourselves with knowing that Earth One, Earth Two, Wildstormverse and Vertigoverse are the only realities we need to be concerned with in the New 52 come May, even if things like Batman, Inc., the Huntress miniseries, the Shade maxiseries and others are obviously outside that continuity to create more confusion. What I'm most curious of is if Elseworlds will continue then to exist with this new reality..and more importantly, will Hypertime? Food for thought.

Avatar image for chris2klee
Chris2KLee

175

Forum Posts

514

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Chris2KLee

I love alternate reality stuff, but it can get out of hand easily. Good writers can weave some amazing stories with the concept, but it just as easy to do the boring "Hey, here's a universe where everything is screwed up because person X moved left instead of right". The later days of "What If?" in its first run ran into this problem. Every issues was the same, usually involving some small turn and then half the Marvel universe would be dead for some reason.

Avatar image for epicmeltdown
EpicMeltDown

99

Forum Posts

512

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 11

User Lists: 0

Edited By EpicMeltDown

@Afro_Warrior: Thank you. Now I see it. I think I was so focused on Wonder Woman that I missed the escrima sticks.

Avatar image for afro_warrior
Afro_Warrior

1134

Forum Posts

7

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By Afro_Warrior

@EpicMeltDown:

It's mostly speculation, but one of the first things that people noticed about the Earth-2 cover Batman was that he had an escrima stick in his right hand (Dick Grayson's signature weapon) and since Robinson (the writer of Earth-2) has said in the past he prefer Dick as the Batman of Earth-2 , its a pretty safe assumption. The speculation regarding Donna and Conner is sort of based on the assumption that if Dick is Batman then it makes sense that the trinity of Earth-2 are all side-kicks,

Also, Supes looks very young on the cover and not a lot like Clark is usually drawn. While Wonder Woman has really small stars in her hair, around her tiara, which is a quirk that Donna often appeards with.

Avatar image for azrael66
Azrael66

278

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Azrael66

President Superman for the win, forever and ever...

Avatar image for jemckinn214
jemckinn214

26

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By jemckinn214

I would love for DC to do more Elseworlds, but I think that they should just keep them at that. Don't let Elseworlds cross over (or atleast not that much) and keep the stories fresh. But President Superman sounds like an awesome idea, didn't Morrison throw that character into Final Crisis?

Avatar image for epicmeltdown
EpicMeltDown

99

Forum Posts

512

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 11

User Lists: 0

Edited By EpicMeltDown

"There hasn't been any mention of Donna Troy but it appears she could be on the cover to EARTH TWO #1 (along with Superboy dressed as Superman and Dick Grayson dressed as Batman)."

I'm not a Donna Troy fan so maybe there's some obvious visual cue that I missed but how does it 'appear' that this might be her? And likewise, the assertion that this is Conner and Dick? Is there some other article where that's alluded to? If someone could point me toward a link illuminating the matter I would be eternally (in a temporary sense) grateful. :)

Avatar image for neonblade
NeonBlade

173

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By NeonBlade

I feel terribly sorry for DC. In all honesty if we all were sitting in a conference room wondering what to do with this brand. Most of us would  resign, or commit suicide. It is no surprise they chose to take a slash and burn approach with The New 52. It was the only way to save an already sick brand from dying an unceremonious and unjustified, yet partly understandable death. They either had a choice to allow the infection to fester, or they severed the gangrenous limbs and allowed the body, a horribly mistreated body to live. They honestly have no one to blame than themselves, by allowing hack writers free reign to run the gamut of characters into a corner. There was only so much silliness that could go unchecked before the Cancer became terminal, with exception to the Vertigo universe of course, they atleast tried to write good stories there. For the record I am reading Batman: The New 52 and I'm pleasantly surprised it hasn't fallen into the same bear traps they have before, I can't comment about the rest of the New 52, but most may not like The New 52, but this was an absolutely necessary step to cure a brand that had bar none the worst tales in the past 18 years of comics. I wish them all the best with this line, and hope they don't repeat the holocaust of mistakes that brought them here.

Avatar image for edblank
EdBlank

1480

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

Edited By EdBlank

I am hating. It's what I do. But seriously, Superman, Earth 2 Superman, Power Girl, President Superman, Reverse Superman, Man Super: all of this is hinging on the fact that they MUST be out of novel ideas. Power Girl is female Superman. That's not clever or witty, especially when there are like three others running around. They could save themselves the hassle of writing a sixth person into a Batman cowl by... you know... creating something original.

Avatar image for knightrise
KnightRise

4811

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By KnightRise

i understood the concept of the dc multverse before i actually read my first comic (which was batman #713 right before the new 52) so "confuse new readers" my arse.. as long as Dc eases into it itll be fine

Avatar image for Trodorne
Trodorne

2773

Forum Posts

6416

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 58

User Lists: 15

Edited By Trodorne

A Black Superman who is president? what is wrong with this world ... hahaha. sarcasm aside.

Im glad they went this route because it still explores the other things that would have or eventually continued if say the golden age was still running but having the heroes age to a "somewhat" decent age. though i like the direction i think that they could have held off on this for another year or two.

Avatar image for batclaw89
BatClaw89

143

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By BatClaw89

Give new readers the benefit of the doubt. Parallel worlds is hardly a new or complicated concept.

Avatar image for pingclang
pingclang

558

Forum Posts

1332

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 121

User Lists: 0

Edited By pingclang

@The Stegman said:

Said it before, and I'll say it again, the multiverse is a horrible and confusing concept that shouldn't exist.

And you would be, undeniably, certifiably, 100% correct.

Avatar image for ampm1789
ampm1789

21

Forum Posts

332

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By ampm1789

I think the concern about new reader confusion is overblown. I can tell you from experience that my first comic book crossover was Infinite Crisis, which is, even the standards of hardcore fans, one of the 'deep-ends' in the proverbial pool of the superhero genre. Remember, there was actually more confusion and consternation in the readership post-Crisis on Infinite Earths (i.e. continuity of Hawkman, Wonder Woman, Donna Troy, Power Girl). It is extremely easier now more than ever, especially in our age of the Internet via Wikipedia or, might I say Comicvine, to compartmentalize and catalog certain characters and concepts to different allocated universes. As long as these ideas are introduced in a fashion that is accessible to the new reader, then we as fans need not worry of confusion. Besides, this is fiction. We throw our suspense of disbelief out the window every week on Wednesday when things like Superman flying through a yellow sun to get his clothes dry cleaned or the Avengers creating a sub-atomic headquarters out of Pym particles orbiting Earth. Throwing a few alternate universes at a new reader is the least of our worries. Personally, the Summers family tree gives me more of a headache than this.

  • 83 results
  • 1
  • 2