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Off My Mind: New Wonder Woman Vs. Old Wonder Woman

Will we see the return of the Wonder Woman we all know?

Ever since Wonder Woman got a make over and new direction, readers have not been sure what to think. I've been a Wonder Woman reader since the 80s and while I do like her, I wouldn't say I was a die hard fan. When news broke about Wonder Woman's new costume and that she'd be on the run from some mysterious group, I was okay with that. In comic books, things may change but they (almost) always revert back to their old ways.  
 
Reading the current J. Michael Straczynski run, I've been wondering what the heck is going on. I referred to this as being "Ultimate" Wonder Woman as Marvel has their Ultimate line. It was this image you see here from The Flash #6 that mentioned a time paradox involving Wonder Woman. Apparently I missed mention of the Gods changing the timeline for their own reason which could involve the their survival and/or the survival of Earth. Am I the only one that missed this explanation?
 
Even though Straczynski is leaving the book and Phil Hester will continue using JMS' notes and outlines, how long until we see the return of the Wonder Woman we all know? Should we see a return of the old Wonder Woman? 
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 Which look is better?
For the four issues that we've seen so far, I haven't been able to decide if I like the new direction or not. I'd like to think that JMS had a nice big plan for the character. I just wasn't seeing it so far. Straczynski intended to stay on for at least twelve issues so we're not even half way through his vision.  
 
If it's just a matter of the "timeline" being mucked around with, that can easily be reversed...at least as easy as it is to change time in comics. I can't say I really like that excuse though. "Let's give Wonder Woman a new start in her own timeline." Does this mean we wouldn't see her interact with the other heroes since she doesn't know them in this timeline? Do they even exist here? Does Wonder Woman still exist in the regular DC timeline? In the recent Justice League of America/The 99 mini series, Wonder Woman is along side her fellow teammates in her new costume. This just makes me more confused. Regardless, if Batman could make it through when Darkseid sent him on his journey through time, let's hope Wonder Woman can make it through this mess as well.
 
I don't have a problem with the costume change. She could alternate between the two looks for all I care. I just don't know who this Wonder Woman is in the current comics. Normally I would support a story trying something new but I don't see the point of creating a new timeline/direction just to have everything revert back to normal in the end. This might be interesting to some readers but with each issue, I'm finding myself caring less and less. Wonder Woman can be a tough sell. Straczynski, Simone and Rucka are great writers but the title has always struggled in trying to reach comic readers. Maybe it's reluctance on readers' part to really get into Wonder Woman. It isn't necessary to push a reset button and start Wonder Woman all over outside the DC Universe just to make her accessible to new readers. 
 
So who's with me? Let's put out the call to the "Gods" to stop these timeline shenanigans and bring back the Wonder Woman we all know. There needs to be a focus on that character rather than try to reinvent her. Once she's back, then we can talk about what she should be wearing.
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Posted by NightFang

Can't I just like them both?

Posted by Theodore

I really have no idea whats going on there. lol.
 
Wasn't she in the newest issue of Justice League of America too?

Edited by rogue_mar1e

IMO, i prefer the original leotard . The other costume still looks good, but she should wear it as civvy clothes instead . 
:)

Edited by Dark Walker

We also saw "Classic" Wonder Woman in issue 6 of The Return of Bruce Wayne, she was a big part of Bruce's death and resurrection at the end there along with Superman and Red Robin.  So even though it hasn't been addressed (for some ungodly reason) what the heck is going on with WW she still exists in the actual time line in some form.  She'd have to or else how could Donna and Wonder Girl exist if WW never had, and if she was gone wouldn't they be wondering what happened to her?   

I don't think they actually said that the Gods have messed around with time in her book, it was revealed but not in her comic I think, so if you missed it so did I.  Diana hasn't gotten to that point yet.  It will be a big reveal for her but not for the reader since it we already know.

Edited by Vance Astro

They're the same character...
 
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Posted by Baron_Emo

I'm reminded of Brand New Day where people weren't sure if it was real or not. Wondering if Spider-Man in Secret Invasion was the "Brand New" Spider-Man or not. Then we got the Secret Invasion ASM/Brand New Day tie in that brought the two independent story lines together.  
 
Maybe we will see something that will explain and bring this all together?

Posted by MisterMollusk

I don't care what look they choose. I just want the old Wonder Woman's personality back.

Posted by Midnight Monk

I never been a WW fan but her recent issues have kicked ass and her new is great in my opinion. Never liked her old look that much but the new and recent one should stay. If Batman can change up his look so can she. Let Superman be the only elephant in the room

Posted by G-Man
@MisterMollusk said:
" I don't care what look they choose. I just want the old Wonder Woman's personality back. "
Exactly!
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Edited by johnny_spam

The problem is that Wonder Woman is constantly redone by most writers in a attempt to reach new readers no one can remember anything about her it's like she is unknown to fans. No constancy it's no wonder most people say writers don't "get" Wonder Woman since nothing sticks. 
 
As for Wonder Woman's status after being rebooted it's a mainstream it is Wonder Woman look at this future solicitation of Superman#708 (I can't believe it will be late by two months) 
 

Written by J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI & CHRIS ROBERSON; Art by EDDY BARROWS & J.P. MAYER; Cover by JOHN CASSADAY; 1:10 Variant Cover by TREVOR HAIRSINE


Superman meets the new Wonder Woman for the first time! But why can't he shake the feeling that he already knows her? The Man of Steel will have to figure that out later, as the two heroes have their hands full defending Omaha, Nebraska from the evil Keres, a supernatural force determined to rid the town (and the world!) of all Amazons – and they're not too crazy about Kryptonians, either.
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Posted by xerox_kitty

I think it's sad when things revert.  What is it about comic books that they can't progress?  But it would be even sadder still if she reverted back so quickly after this big change.    
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Posted by Hamz

JMS run on WW has been pretty bad to be honest I think they need to put in a filler page on the next WW comic apologising for the mess and just revert it all back to how it was before. 

Posted by BradBrains

New old character. The current wonder woman story kinda sucks

Posted by Bruce Vain

Old Wonder Woman for me.
Posted by Vitality

I haven't read any of the new stuff. 
 
The only thing I can comment on...is that her new costume would be perfect if she lost the jacket. I can honestly see her new costume without the jacket being the NEW mainstream look for her...for all future series.
Posted by Outside_85

I think it would be nice if DC did not have all of their big guns with their own solo titles having revolve around big company crossovers. WW is already circling Flashpoint, Bruce Wayne just escaped as the last dying ember of Final Crisis and is already setting up the Bat League. Hal Jordan has been walking from one massive crossover into the other since he got back from the grave.  
 
Superman seems to have gone free and if you didnt read anything related to the S, you wouldnt have noticed he was on a different planet or the Earth had been threatened by some 300.000 angry kryptonians or that he is out to mimic Forrest Gump.  
Flash has also gone somewhat clear, except the Flash for the last 23 years suddenly dropped off the face of the planet in favor of a man who spent that time being very much dead and celebrated. And is now also heading towards the next big thing.
 
Thing is that if everything is about the 'big events', then they quickly become boring everyday reading.

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Posted by kitsuneconundrum

i dont mind about the costume change but the new storyline has changed her personality into something weaker and uglier.

Posted by ComiCCloseup

I like them both but I was unaware that this was in a different time and I'll now have to look into that and maybe re-read a few things
Posted by TheMilkywayDude

I always thought she looked like a bit of a bodybuilder with her original costume i realy like the new one but wat is up with her GET SORTED!
Posted by Brickabrack

 I'm really confused. I don't mind a costume change, although I prefer her origional iconic one, but JMS is definitly missing the mark here with her personality and story reboot. This story would have made much more sense in a Wonder Woman: Earth One graphic novel.

Posted by Brickabrack
@Outside_85 said:
"I think it would be nice if DC did not have all of their big guns with their own solo titles having revolve around big company crossovers. WW is already circling Flashpoint, Bruce Wayne just escaped as the last dying ember of Final Crisis and is already setting up the Bat League. Hal Jordan has been walking from one massive crossover into the other since he got back from the grave.  
 
Superman seems to have gone free and if you didnt read anything related to the S, you wouldnt have noticed he was on a different planet or the Earth had been threatened by some 300.000 angry kryptonians or that he is out to mimic Forrest Gump.  
Flash has also gone somewhat clear, except the Flash for the last 23 years suddenly dropped off the face of the planet in favor of a man who spent that time being very much dead and celebrated. And is now also heading towards the next big thing.  "

I have to agree here. Especially about the Flash. It took them over 20 years to establish Wally as The Flash, and now the old one is back and suddenly there are too many cooks in the kitchen (same thing happened to Kyle Rayner when Hal came back, but I digress).  
 
Posted by Mbecks14

Are people suprised that this "reboot"/new dirtection thing isn't sticking? It was inevitable. wonder woman needs to get her act together. When they restore her to how she was, they need to make her more iconic. Focus on the greek mythology stuff with a modern twist, giver an iconic city of her own, and pump up her rogues gallery

Posted by Grand Marvelous

Wonder Woman hasn't been written well in years and i'm tired of it....

Posted by Doctor!!!!!

As long as she keeps her original personality, I hope she still gets the same love when she wore her original look....

Posted by The_Martian

I like classic Wonder Woman, but this new look has been growing on me. I hope it sticks around for a little while at least.

Posted by Surrender Monkey

Actually I'm quite content with Stracz's work, what with all the godly and army stuff. It's much the two-faced legacy of Wonder Woman, thought without Trevor in the mix. I think he kinda grounded her in reality, like we saw in the 2009 anime, but his role would have trouble to stick, hence his distanciation. 
 
I think an orientation as a guardian of Themyscira as a heaven for warrior women, or even firewomen and police officers would make for nice team-ups and investigation stories.  I don't hate what's happening right now, but I don't see it going anywhere new or old... Just an arc. The rest is up to the other writers. 
 
And, I dig the costume! I'm on team jacket.

Posted by Nova`Prime`

I am not the biggest Wonder Woman fan, but I would have to say look at the sales, if the sales increased past the first few issues of this "new" Wonder Woman then I think you can say people are generally accepting it and it could be around for awhile. But if sales went low, or at least stayed the same with the prechange numbers you'll probably see a quick revert and call it a dream or something. Hey we all knows comics and soap operas are pretty much the same thing.

Posted by spider-man 2996

Would this be a good time to start reading Wonder Woman?

Posted by Jslab425

Its too soon T-Bone :)
 
If companies are going to make radical changes to character like WW, then they need to be committed to them on a long term basis, NOT FOREVER, but at least long enough to let the story grow and resolve itself organically.  While I am not a huge WW fan, and even less so with recent changes, I do support DC's effort to think outside the box and introduce this great character to a wider audience.
 
On a related note, I hate when DC/Marvel hype up the RETURN of characters that haven't been gone more than a month or so...Like Hercules and the Black Lanterns for example...How long were they gone, a minute?  Let the stories evolve guys!

Posted by BoOMbOoMpOw

I`m with you G-man ! They absoulutly screw up Wonder Woman . She should be wearing her old costume and they should stop this whole timeline shit .

Posted by Video_Martian
@Bruce Vain said:
"Old Wonder Woman for me. "
Posted by The Mighty Monarch
@Outside_85 said:
" I think it would be nice if DC did not have all of their big guns with their own solo titles having revolve around big company crossovers. WW is already circling Flashpoint, Bruce Wayne just escaped as the last dying ember of Final Crisis and is already setting up the Bat League. Hal Jordan has been walking from one massive crossover into the other since he got back from the grave.  
 
Superman seems to have gone free and if you didnt read anything related to the S, you wouldnt have noticed he was on a different planet or the Earth had been threatened by some 300.000 angry kryptonians or that he is out to mimic Forrest Gump.  
Flash has also gone somewhat clear, except the Flash for the last 23 years suddenly dropped off the face of the planet in favor of a man who spent that time being very much dead and celebrated. And is now also heading towards the next big thing. Thing is that if everything is about the 'big events', then they quickly become boring everyday reading. "
Actually the 'Batman' solo title seem pretty free. It doesn't look like it's going to revolve around Batman Inc. very much. 
Plus I'm not sure I'd call Batman Inc. an event, more like a new status quo, but it's only just begun so there's not much I can say yet.
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@johnny spam said:
" The problem is that Wonder Woman is constantly redone by most writers in a attempt to reach new readers no one can remember anything about her it's like she is unknown to fans. No constancy it's no wonder most people say writers don't "get" Wonder Woman since nothing sticks. 
 
As for Wonder Woman's status after being rebooted it's a mainstream it is Wonder Woman look at this future solicitation of Superman#708 (I can't believe it will be late by two months) 
 

Written by J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI & CHRIS ROBERSON; Art by EDDY BARROWS & J.P. MAYER; Cover by JOHN CASSADAY; 1:10 Variant Cover by TREVOR HAIRSINE


Superman meets the new Wonder Woman for the first time! But why can't he shake the feeling that he already knows her? The Man of Steel will have to figure that out later, as the two heroes have their hands full defending Omaha, Nebraska from the evil Keres, a supernatural force determined to rid the town (and the world!) of all Amazons – and they're not too crazy about Kryptonians, either.
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Posted by KRYPTON
@spider-man 2996 said:
" Would this be a good time to start reading Wonder Woman? "
Yes. 
 
Yeah I don't really understand what Wonder Woman is in JMS' series. It's like that story doesn't operate in the same time as all the other stories in the DCU. Same goes for JMS' Superman Grounded story arc. The new costume is cool, however I wouldn't mind seeing her revert back to the old one as well.
Posted by InnerVenom123

I don't read DC (I watch the animated movies, regular movies, TV, etc), but I like her new costume.

Posted by Chris2KLee

I like the new look. I just wish, like many others, the story were more interesting.

Posted by Illyana Rasputin

Writers, please reveal your plan for this beloved character, and return her to her normal continuity. I am all for change, but this recent transformation of Wonder Woman does not speak to me, at all.

Posted by karrob
@NightFang said:
" Can't I just like them both? "
Posted by karrob
@NightFang said:
" Can't I just like them both? "
I agree
Posted by cmaprice

I don't read Wonder Woman, so I can't really speak about the writing, but I think the redesign is quite spectacular. It incorporates the themes of the classic design so it feels "right" while updating it to be more pragmatic, realistic, and flattering. Having pantlegs certainly has its benefits.
 
The jacket design is the one thing (despite looking nice) that is a bit unnecessary. 
 
Too bad they'll go right back to the granny panties look.

Edited by DMC
@G-Man:  Is this the same G-Man from a few "off my minds" ago talking about having patience when it comes to mystery stories and whatnot? We're only 4 issues in and you're already complaining?
Posted by Kid_Kwiks

Team New Woman!!

Posted by Fantasgasmic

I don't like the new, seemingly backstory-less, unaware of her own history except when the authors need her to be, Wonder Woman. I DO like most of the new costume though. I hate the jacket, and I'm not a fan of how the pants seem to be attached to boots. But I do like the choker, the new tiara, the new top, and gold W engraved gauntlets.

Posted by rlmay3

Didn't someone say at the beginning that this wasn't a permanent change!? Or is that just wishful thinking? I don't hate the new WW, but I do miss the old one as well.

Posted by Dr. Detfink

You'd think women would be offended by Power Girl before Wonder Woman but that's another story altogether. 
 
The look is nothing, the writing is every thing...and JMS' Xena er, Wonder Woman story is unreadable video game arc inspired by Altered Beast. That is every level is a "Power Up!"

Edited by GREGalicious

It kinda just seems like the writers arent really sure what to do with the character. I STILL think the new suit looks too much like a Wonder Girl uniform, but its growing on me and the whole "they altered my timeline and origins" thing also seems too much like a Donna Troy (who im really starting to like more than her sister) storyline...

Posted by polluxdioscuros
@Gambler: Each time I see that piece of art on Flashpoint, I think I see one of the worst pieces of art for DC I've seen in a long, long time.
 
And Wonder woman suit in this piece is just bad. XD
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Posted by G-Man
@DMC: I don't think it's the same. I don't know if I just completely missed the "Gods changing the timeline" bit in the actual comic but I didn't realize that happened until I read this week's issue of The Flash and found a DC blog post from June. Having a new character with a mystery (like Red Hulk) is one thing. I think taking an existing character and reseting them with unclear methods is another. 
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Posted by angryamazon

If it is suppose to be 12 issues...I think we are just at the crust of the story arc...it needs time to get to the soft center part...I like the look...minus the jacket...and I like the constant scowl she seems to have...batman can't be the only brooding trinity member ^.~

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