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Off My Mind: Has Cyclops Saved Mutants or Doomed Them All?

He may have restored the mutant population but what will be the price?

There's been a lot of discussion and arguments over Cyclops' actions in AVENGERS VS. X-MEN. Cyclops has made it his goal to protect mutants since their number had been reduced during Decimation and House of M. He knew his species was endangered and was determined to protect them at any and all cost.

Hope Summers was meant to be the mutant messiah and when the Phoenix Force was headed towards Earth, it appeared Hope was the target. Due to other circumstances, the Phoenix Force was split five ways (and equal portions were shared by what we call The Phoenix Five). Driven by the power of the Phoenix Force, Cyclops continued to do what he felt was necessary to make the planet a better place and to safeguard the future of mutants.

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There were lots of casualties and destruction but it appeared that as a result of everything, Cyclops had helped bring the return of mutants on Earth. The x-factor in many kicked in and new mutants started popping up all over the place. Cyclops may have been right in doing all he set out to do but now it appears there is a price to pay for his actions. Has Cyclops really doomed all the mutants?

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In the first issue of ALL-NEW X-MEN, we discover that Beast is having some hard times. He is the first to go through a third mutation (secondary mutations became the norm for many and added a second ability). Unfortunately this third mutation is killing him. His body cannot cope with the change. It's his decision to try to right things that result in bringing the original X-Men from the past to talk to the present day Cyclops.

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In the third issue, Magneto tries using his powers to stop a truck and discovers he's having difficulty. When Cyclops steps in to use his powers, his optic blasts become so intense, he can barely control them. When talking to Emma, she mentioned her powers not being the same as they used to be. She can no longer use her telepathy.

What we're seeing is two different results. Emma mentions having a portion of the Phoenix Force changed them and "broke" their mutations. That explains why she, Cyclops and Magneto are having difficulty with their powers. We could expect Magik to have some problems (she mentions feeling more powerful) and Colossus (perhaps in the pages of CABLE AND X-FORCE). We'll have to see if Namor is affected. When the question was raised why Magneto's power would be affected since he wasn't in possession of a portion of the Phoenix Force. He was hit by a blast of it when he stood against Cyclops in the end.

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What about Beast? What about other mutants? We don't know the full details about why Beast is going through a third mutation which his body can't handle. It could simply be another natural evolution such as when mutants started getting secondary mutations. It seems too much of a coincidence that he happens to be mutating further just after new mutants started popping up. If this mutation is potentially killing him, could the same happen to other mutants? Is it only those in close proximity to Cyclops when he had the Phoenix Force or is he still causing mutant powers to go haywire? Will this carry over to new mutants he tries to recruit as well?

Is this what Beast meant when he told Cyclops' younger self that he needed him to stop the older Cyclops from committing mutant genocide?

It might appear that the mutant population is back on its way to becoming a thriving population. Now we can see that there may be a catch. Mutants may have returned but it looks as if that return could be short lived. Cyclops may have helped bring mutants back from extinction but the results could end up with more than the previous few remaining dying out. Now it appears that each new mutant and existing mutant could be a ticking time bomb sentenced to death.

Cyclops may have been right in the Phoenix Force being able to bring back mutants but how long will they be back before they all permanently go away?

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He saved mutant kind but doomed himself.

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Cyclops is the greatest leader and savior of the mutantkind.HE did what was necessary ,despite what could happen to him,and that's what makes him a great leader.Cap wouldn't have the guts to do so.

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I am ecstatic for the return of Mutant kind and leading to social acceptance in a world. What I would like to see is Mutant involvement in geopolitical affairs and new terrors to all Mankind to rely upon Mutants (Hint: take a chapter from Al Qaida).

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@Outside_85 said:

@trutrutru: The solution is through diplomacy, Scott has abandoned diplomacy at this point and is out to carve out an empire for his true believers. And I might add the woman wasnt even aware of the government being outside of her time bubble, meaning they had done nothing other than secure a perimeter. And really what do you expect from the government when they don't know who or what they are dealing with.

Is it though? We have the Avengers supposedly increasing its efforts diplomatically, all the while cyclops had been locked up having not yet started on his current path. And yet still, this was the state of human and mutant relations.

carve out an empire? thats an exaggeration.

Also, since when are issues of rights resolved without some form of protest. Diplomacy is all well and good, but is hardly ever effective on its own. The fact that even with the Avenger's public stance and new team (uncanny avengers) has done nothing to improve mutant and human relations, should be testament to the ineffectiveness of diplomacy alone. Sometimes we need more than just words.

If the government did nothing but secure the perimeter it is because that's all they could do.

Nobody could get through, which is why Cyclops and team were communicating with the woman telepathically with the help of Emma Frost. You think they ONLY kept a perimeter out of good faith? no. Its because it was the most they could do in that situation.

If they dont know who or what they are dealing with, then why are they so aggressive? Especially after the bubble is down and they get in to find what? a minor brawl between a group of males? Yet here they are in force with guns drawn straight at her. Yes, a very logical response indeed.

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@Perfect 10 said:

mutants were on the brink of extinction and now their not so yeah he save them. cyclops was right

This.

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@Outside_85: You need to stop using logic. People don't like that.
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@trutrutru: The solution is through diplomacy, Scott has abandoned diplomacy at this point and is out to carve out an empire for his true believers. And I might add the woman wasnt even aware of the government being outside of her time bubble, meaning they had done nothing other than secure a perimeter. And really what do you expect from the government when they don't know who or what they are dealing with.

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@Outside_85 said:

@trutrutru: You mean against one unknown mutant that had freaked out and trapped how many people, holding them frozen in time for several hours? How exactly do you expect a local government to react to something that could suddenly turn out to be another Magneto. While I know the problem existed covertly before Scott started, he certainly is not doing mutants any favors by running around sounding like North Korea.

yeah that is one of the occurrences..when the government showed up..they showed up armed and with guns pointed, looking to take someone into custody or even take them down.

Knowing damn well there are mutants popping up, most of who have no idea they have acquired powers till something like this happens.

Also, how many people got hurt? if anything, this mutant stopped a massive brawl. I would expect the local government to act according to the information they have. That there are mutants out there just randomly getting these abilities, without any real control, nor any bad intention with them. How could you have bad intentions with some power you didnt know you had till just then? see where im going with this

the approach being taken by the government is a guilty until proven otherwise approach. Its prejudice, "racists", and uncalled for. Does the government have reason to be concerned or watchful of these situations, yes. But it shouldnt get to the point where just being a mutant gets you treated like a criminal..which is exactly the state of human mutant relations before any of what Cyclop's team has done. It will certainly make things worse. But again. What is the alternative? to allow this to continue? To let the humans trounce over the rights of mutants?

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@VeganDiet said:

I don't get the whole "Cyclops was Right. Cyclops saved the mutants" thing. No, he didn't. Hope did. She's the one who gave up her phoenix powers to help mutant kind. Cyclops kept his when, apparently, he could have sacrificed the power to reactivate the x-gene the world over.

Sounds a lot more like a selfish prick than a savior to me.

"Cyclops was right" is true because he said the Phoenix was there to reignite the mutant race. Nobody said he did it and he's not claiming to have been the one to have done it. He was however right about the phoenix being there to bring back mutants.

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mutants were on the brink of extinction and now their not so yeah he save them. cyclops was right

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@trutrutru: You mean against one unknown mutant that had freaked out and trapped how many people, holding them frozen in time for several hours? How exactly do you expect a local government to react to something that could suddenly turn out to be another Magneto. While I know the problem existed covertly before Scott started, he certainly is not doing mutants any favors by running around sounding like North Korea.

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@Outside_85 said:

@jaydee98: Actually he didn't try to do anything in regards to mutants other than sending Utopia a mile into the air, the rest of his time appeared to be spent breaking weapons, beating avengers and try to make the world a better place. As for consequences, you didn't need to be a precog to know what would eventually happen when the Phoenix around. In regards to the government; I haven't seen them park tanks within sight of either Utopia or Westchester, what Scott is doing now could very well lead to that.

umm...did we not already see the government overreacting and discriminating against mutants in All new x-men #1?.....this issue exists..despite cyclops just getting out of prison.....its just what human and mutant relations are like.....has little to do with Scott's current efforts, as it is a problem that existed before cyclops started going around recruiting.

at the very least they arent on the brink of extinction

can it get worse...very likely it will...but whats the alternative....letting humans just discriminate against mutants...to let injustices against mutants continue without standing up for them?

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Ha! still got Avengers X-men to read yet

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@jaydee98: Actually he didn't try to do anything in regards to mutants other than sending Utopia a mile into the air, the rest of his time appeared to be spent breaking weapons, beating avengers and try to make the world a better place. As for consequences, you didn't need to be a precog to know what would eventually happen when the Phoenix around. In regards to the government; I haven't seen them park tanks within sight of either Utopia or Westchester, what Scott is doing now could very well lead to that.

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Cyclops is a jerk and he's made lots of mistakes; but fighting for the survival of his "species" wasn't one of them. The only thing worse than the populace's hate for mutants existence was the way humanity ignored their decline. One way or another they'll have to deal with mutants now instead of just complaining about them.

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@Outside_85 said:

Technically Scott hasnt helped save mutant-kind, thats Hope's achievement. Actually Scott is currently just making everything worse for mutants with his whole idea of a revolution (not that they needed any other reason to go after him but, a group of superpowered mutants talking about revolution is not going to sit well with the government)

Since when did the government need an excuse to persecute mutants? Cyclops did what he thought was best for mutantkind. Unless some precog told him his plan would end in failure, he would have had no idea what the consequences of his actions would be, except that the mutant race would be restarted. It was a gamble but at least he tried instead of just rolling over and doing nothing.

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Ok, the only mutants we've seen signs of having altered powers were those who possessed the phoenix force, or fought against Cyclops when he was Dark Phoenix. Heck, even Wolverine was put down by a young Jean Grey as he said, "You know that mind stuff doesn't work...." He fought against Dark Phoenix Cyclops and that mind stuff seemed to work quite well. So far that's all we have to show the phoenix force has caused such changes, other than awakening x-genes.  I don't think any other mutants will be affected the same way.  But we won't be sure until time goes on and we can see if anyone else is affected.
 
"Is this what Beast meant when he told Cyclops' younger self that he needed him to stop the older Cyclops from committing mutant genocide?"
Not a chance of what he meant. The phoenix force is already done and I strongly doubt Cyclops current state causes mutant powers to go haywire.
The whole "stop yourself from committing mutant genocide" statement by Beast sounds more like a largely manipulative comment. Beast is scared of current events yeah, but he's also intelligent and knows how to spark a young Cyclops into action. In all reality though, I find this part just to be another example of very poor dialogue that we've seen from Bendis. I like where the story is going but so many times we've just been seeing really bad dialogue choices.
 
The main thing that's bugging me is the lack of continuity. In issue #1, we've seen Cyclops and Magneto use their powers normally, with Emma's help, to gather mutants. That happened before Beast decided to go get the original X-men to our time. Then 2 issues later they're just breaking Emma out and suddenly their powers are all out of wack?

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Depends on how you view it. Granted I know people will say if it hadn't been for him Hope wouldn't have fulfilled her destiny and yada, yada. But the ends don't always justify the means, plus even though it lead the way for Hope. He (along with the others) still made a terrible mess that put thousands or millions in danger almost putting him on the same scale he probably thought Wanda of being. Basically Hope had to clean up his mess; along with Wanda's but unlike Cyclops she's willing to admit she made her mess.

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What WAS Cyclops realistic option- was to he sit idly as Homo Superior died out like the dinosaurs or try to at least save some of them???

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@Lorrie: I see a dark future for Beast actually. Future and alternate versions of Beast have painted him as a villain. Dark Beast from AOA and "Sublime" Beast from Grant Morrison's final arc. And the way the character has been of late, i can easily see him going down a slippery slope.

As for what the Jean Grey School mutants have against Scott? My guess is... its because Scott "murdered" the professor. Someone who most X-Men see as a father-figure. Wolverine, Angel, and a whole bunch of other mutants have been possessed before in the past. And have even gone on to kill their fellow X-Men. But to my knowledge... none have "killed" the Professor and come back from it.

That is of course unless the Prof is not dead, but somehow Scott subconsciously moved him into his own psyche during AvX thus resulting in psychic backlash that has messed with his powers and those that were closest? you never know! its comics!

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I'm guessing if anyone has "doomed" anyone, it was Beast messing with the time-stream to pretty much just troll Scott. That man is insanely bitter. He straight up lied to the O5 about that "mutant genocide" stuff to get them to come with him. That said, I don't think there will be any permanent changes to the X-Men timeline (after all, when he left the Avengers books, Bendis pretty much put all of the toys back in the sandbox where he found them), but I guess we'll see.

I don't get what the X-Men (or mutants in general) would have against Scott. He was right about the Phoenix. He doesn't oppose Wolverine's school. He's not going around murdering innocent people. He broke out of prison, but arguably he didn't belong there anyway, and people were trying to kill him in there. He's still protecting mutants, pretty much what he's been doing since he was a teenager. He's sending a message that the persecution of mutants will not be tolerated. The fact that his former friends would hold against him what he did while possessed by the Phoenix doesn't say much about them. If characters start having to pay for crimes they commit when possessed or brainwashed, half the Marvel canvas should be in prison. The idea that most of the heroic mutants would be against what Scott's doing seems contrived, so I hope Bendis doesn't go in that direction.

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@mrmisanthrope said:

@VeganDiet:

You're way, way off. Cable showed Cyclops exactly what would happen if he didn't take this course. He showed him a future where the world is destroyed because the Avengers were allowed to do as they wished with Hope. He explained to him that he would have to go to war with the Avengers to see the good future come to pass.

He couldn't restore mutant kind with one fifth of the Phoenix Force, he needed the whole thing. In the meantime he flew around trying to fix every problem he could and give mutants a good image, but the other four unfortunately were weak. The Phoenix Force amplified their emotions, and three of them were former villains. Colossus was under Cyttorak's influence. By the time Cyclops finally got the whole thing, all four of the other chunks had already become corrupted.

Immediately before that, Emma informed him she was having an affair with Namor, and immediately following getting the four corrupted chunks, everyone on Earth he'd ever considered a friend or ally attacked him all at once.

Cyclops intended the force to go straight to Hope, the Avengers interfered. Reed Richards has a panel where Cap and Stark are discussing this, and he basically says right to Tony's face "You know this is all your fault, right?"

If events didn't proceed exactly as they did, not only would mutants not have gotten their power back, but the Earth would have been scorched. Cyclops was right. Cyclops saved mutantkind. He wasn't alone, and he had it on good authority, but at the end of the day you have to accept that simple, obvious truth. Cyclops was right.

end of thread

how could he have doomed them, when the alternative would have been them not being around at all or in even fewer numbers than before...without anymore chances to restore the x-gene

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@VeganDiet said:

Sounds a lot more like a selfish prick than a savior to me.

I always love it when someone else is on the same thought process as i am! ~ High Five!~

Who knows maybe if cyclops had given up his portion of the phoenix power it would have balanced out the x-gene.

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I think some of u guys need to stop just listening to the scared X-Men at the Wolverine school, who just want to hide away in there little segregated school. Those are the X-Men who make things worse, because they accomplish nothing, and are crippled by fear.

Cyclops did not make people fear and hate mutants. This as been the problem since day one. Hiding and segregating themselves ain't ever gonna change that.

Cyke on the other hand is actually doing something. He's going out there and saving mutants, and making the public aware of it. He's not Magneto, he's not fighting for Mutant supremacy, but equality. He's saying guess what. Mutants are back, and they deserve every freedom as everyone else.

And who is that we've seen humans rally behind, who's face it on their signs in ANX 3?...Cyclops.

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Neither. If mutants re the next step in evolution, than the species will continue to grow. Evolution finds a way. All Cyclops did was worsen societal sentiment towards mutant by being a terrorist who claimed to be the leader for his species

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Readers are clearly divided on this issue.

There are a few of you who miss "Boyscout" Scott, but frankly, i welcome the change. Whether Bendis is destroying the character or bettering him... only time will tell. But at least he's doing SOMETHING.

As for Wolverine being the new Prof X and Cyclops being the new Magneto... Currently i dont think its come down to that (yet).

It feels to me more like Wolverine is the new Cyclops and Cyclops the new Wolverine.

Cyke had to be the "Boyscout" so that Logan could run X-Force and do the things that needed to be done. Now the roles are reversed. This was mentioned by the characters themselves in AVX Consequences. They are both now slightly out of their comfort zones. Logan having to keep up a good public appearance, whereas Scott has to always be careful he doesnt stray into "Magneto" territory.

The thing i find annoying about the Cyclops-Wolverine dynamic now is the inconsistency. When Logan visited Scott in prison, he raged and ranted, but ultimately relented. But in All-New X-Men, he's pissed again. Murderous even. Of all the X-Men, you would think that Logan would understand. What with his past, his experiences with being possessed, and his time with X-Force.

These are exciting times to be a Cyclops and X-Men fan. But i still can't help but to tread with caution. Again, only time will tell how things will unfold.

Oh and as a parting comment. I think current Beast is a much bigger douche than Cyke ever was.

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I think the better question is - Has Bendis read any X-stories in the past or completely ignored them?

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I'm definitely intrigued as to what'll happen now with this series.

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Well first off, all this stuff about exposure to "scott" seems odd, since there were 4 other people with the phoenix. For all we know it could have been colossus that "doomed" the mutants. Another thing, it's pretty clear that no one could really handle the phoenix. Even hope the "designated redhead" could barely do it and that was with wanda's help. If it were five avengers that got the phoenix's power instead, things would have gone down pretty much the same way. The Avengers also have a couple mutants to be used as scapegoats.

Getting back to the topic and hand, Scott is seen as the representative of Mutants all over the world, a role that he was raised for and has accepted. So did his (and plenty of of other people's) desire for mutants to not be a dying species DOOM mutants as a whole?

I doubt it. If Scott had just handed hope over, tony would have used his machine to try and stop the phoenix and created *drum-roll*... The Phoenix Five, which becomes the Pheonix one...*Boom* Dark Phoenix.

If Scott didn't hand hope over, and Hope became the phoenix host without tony's machine she either becomes *Boom* Dark Phoenix , or "White Phoenix". Which could either be a huge force for good in the world or make dark pheonix look like a carebear by comparison.

Regardless of what Scott did here, someone would have become the Phoenix. Scott was a driving force in the Avengers fight with the X men, but even then their fight really didn't matter. All it really did was show them what the fans already knew, that they shouldn't have fought in the first place. If anything that dude from kun'lun that trained hope was much more influential than scott in the end since he actually prepared her to be a phoenix host. But I'm rambling here, has The Phoenix 5 that was Created by Tony Stark caused new mutants to go the way of X Men Forever?

Time will tell, but I doubt it.

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@sora_thekey said:

@TheCrowbar said:

Also Scott did save the mutant race, or are we forgetting Dark Reign? Mutant Messiah? All those unprovoked attacks on Utopia?

Yeah bit check out where this led him. He's now the Magneto to Wolverine's Professor Xavier. His methods to save the mutant race weren't all tha heoric. He could've gone another route and not become the biggest mutant terrorist since... well, Magneto.

I'd ask, whom exactly elected Logan Professor X? Don't get me wrong, I love Wolvie but this is forced. Decidedly so in recent months. I'd argue that Schism was at least slightly more organic, Wolverine had been through a lot involving kids, both his own and others. So Logan finally having enough and thinking that kids need to actually get a chance to be kids and that old dogs of war like himself need to carry the weight of any mutant conflicts now that things are stranger and more dangerous than in his kid sidekick days...that is believable. Logan having a lot of respect for Xavier...also believable.

But I'd argue that Xavier while he had a lot of faith in Logan, Logan himself has never had an over abundance in himself. It makes zero sense that he would think he's the one to run a school and even less that he'd start taking moral high ground on anyone. Many times Logan has said of himself that he's just an animal no matter how much anyone tries to make him a man. That's not to take away from his morality or his sense of honor, but rather to point out that Logan has always looked at himself in an unfavorable light and rightly so in some aspects.

Oh and let's not forget about all the less than noble things that Xavier himself has done.

Long story short, no one has been a saint in the X-verse for quite sometime but suddenly AvX is trying to get us to swallow that no one can remember anyone else's past or point out anyone else's hypocrisy. They're trying to paint the whole world in black and white, and that just doesn't usually work for the X-men the way that it might for other groups. Has Scott done some extreme things? Yes, yes he has. Was he some sort of vicious terrorist? I disagree.

If anything in my opinion less than stellar writing was trying to draw parallels with traditional X-Men statuses that haven't been the status quo for quite sometime anyway, and is failing pretty hard in my book.

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I'm completely confused. Wasn't Scarlet Witch supposed to go around repowering the remaining mutants she could find? I know she repowered Rictor but thats the only case I remember. Has she just abandoned that whole quest of her's or has Marvel just forgotten about it?

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@kagato said:

Looking at it from another angle, Scott killed Professor X, his powers are now under the control of one of the most evil people in the entire world and he now has the ability to bend all mutants to his will. Even if the mutation thing hasnt doomed all mutants this new threat may well do it instead. Ive tried to be as spoiler free as possible, apologies if anyone who hasnt read the issue yet managed to deduce what i was talking about...

I know what you mean. Scott really messed up on thatsecond issue

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Looking at it from another angle, Scott killed Professor X, his powers are now under the control of one of the most evil people in the entire world and he now has the ability to bend all mutants to his will. Even if the mutation thing hasnt doomed all mutants this new threat may well do it instead. Ive tried to be as spoiler free as possible, apologies if anyone who hasnt read the issue yet managed to deduce what i was talking about...

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@evilvegeta74: I want to see teen jean grey joining scott's team.....that would make wolerine madder

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Cyclops is the the one true Xmen Leader everyone else under that mantle has and always will be temporary!

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@Outside_85 said:

Technically Scott hasnt helped save mutant-kind, thats Hope's achievement. Actually Scott is currently just making everything worse for mutants with his whole idea of a revolution (not that they needed any other reason to go after him but, a group of superpowered mutants talking about revolution is not going to sit well with the government)

I think so as well. In a lot of ways, he is simply polarizing things and justifying the government in taking a harsher stance against mutants.

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@AlKusanagi said:

Also, "secondary mutations" were the dumbest thing to happen to the X comics in decades, and now they want to do tertiary mutations? The hell?!?

I think that not ALL of the secondary mutations were all that bad.

If they had kept it a bit more logical like simply evolving people like Beast; the more physical mutations becoming more physically mutated. I have to say that I definitely liked how he got altered and looks more like a real beast now.

However, I did not get how Emma Frost could somehow gain the power to become diamond in addition to her telepathic powers. It just seemed like the writer deciding, "Hey, let's give her a new superpower!"

That was overcompensation I think and a way more power boost than Emma deserved or needed.

Or if they did something more interesting like Ice Man's body was becoming more and more ice and if he had do something extreme like--exile himself to the North Pole to prevent himself from melting. That would have been an interesting side effect of the negative aspects of a secondary mutation. I thought that whole "psychological block" and "suppressing" thing was just a cheap cop-out.

For that matter, I haven't really seen a lot other secondary mutations. It just seems like a concept that fizzled and died as a weak attempt to explain things.

I'm not sure about this teritary mutation thing, it could be good, it could be bad. Depends how they decide to write it out. If it shows that there are definite bad points to Cyclops' decision to restart the mutant race, then it could be a good thing in my opinion. If mutants are going to be dying from his act, it's hard to justify himself as being "right".

Personally, I think Cyclops made a horrible judgment in my decision in deciding that the Phoenix was the answer. He claims that "it was worth it" but he wasn't the one who paid the price for his decisions. There are going to those who jump on me and say that he was trying to save his entire species, but the fact is that he was risking the rest of the population of humanity. In a sense, he viewed the human race as "expendable" or not simply the equivalent to mutants. He even viewed Charles Xavier's death was "a sacrifice" that was worth the restarting of the mutant species.

He has come a long way from being a true believer in equality between humans and mutants; in a sense he has become Magneto--believing in the superiority of the mutant species. Is it any wonder that Magneto has converted to Cyclops' side?

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That and, there are now more mutants to be evil, there are going to be more mutants to prosecute.

And he made mutants look pretty bad during AVX, so I don't know how well received a whole bunch of new mutants will be.

And Cyclops is just becoming what Magneto was in the past, they've been building up to this for a long time.

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@sora_thekey: They have yet to reveal anything about Beast's 3rd mutation other than the fact is killing him as far as we know.

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For people saying Cyclops had alternatives, no he didn't go read the issues again. It's easy as an observer and looking back to say "Well Cyclops could do this!" but that's not true, each time he ordered something dark/grey to happen his back was to a wall.

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@evilvegeta74 said:

Too many Cyclops Hater here, he will still prevail at the end of the day.

where did you find this? Are there more?

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im curious if and how Iceman and the others will change. Will Omega level mutants be affected like the others?

also i find it interesting that in the recent years almost all other homo-sapiens off shoots have been killed off and now the mutants get yet another mutation that makes them more powerful. Yes it says their dying but we all know while some might die (probably summers) there will be survivors.

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CYCLOPS THE TRUF!!!!

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Ugh, I can't wait to read AVX. I didn't get to when it came out but for Christmas I asked the HC so I can't wait to finally read it.

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It was a mere temporary solution. Scott's antics along with the PF has only made things worse. No, its like you say, its a ticking time bomb now to something worse that will happen on down the line.

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@RoastedRay said:

Cyclops doesn't care about mutants he cares about powers. When the the mutants lost their powers they didn't die they simply lost the abilities. Sure they became human but they aren't dead the whole mutant vs human thing is way to played out and is seriously just starting to get old.

well that just proves you didn't read any of the issues or any of the news on this site or any other site on whats been happening, This is what happens when do the reading of the comic's in a casual way. which shouldn't be a bad thing, but it sets you up to be corrected alot cause of what your saying is way off.

You do know that there were suicides from mutants that lost their powers on M day ,and alot of mutants that were students at the school were killed by the purifiers. and some that former were mutants were killed for being so too. by racist humans who attacked the school often. those are what they called them selves the purifers . they even attacked school bus's .

But hey what you just is that "no mutants died" right? Right ??? So what ever.. Where ever your info is coming from it's terrible.

Any way I hope cyclops makes it clear that he's not against normal humans ( saves the innocent ones of them too) just the ones that are murderers and he should show /provide evidence before taking action and as in he should do things that the law will understand like if he does have to kill it should be in self deference or in have to save a life of another person in a situation where there not another chose. like when he saved storm from Kandra the external. Other wise he should avoid that. if he can think of another he should always try that option. That was/ has also been mentioned of batman once. and most of the time he avoids it. There are case's where it's not avoidable and you need to save that life or lives at the very second. seriously the villain won't wait for you to stop while their ready to s trust a knife * what ever they want to use into some innocent persons body.

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Cyclops doesn't care about mutants he cares about powers. When the the mutants lost their powers they didn't die they simply lost the abilities. Sure they became human but they aren't dead the whole mutant vs human thing is way to played out and is seriously just starting to get old.

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