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Off My Mind: Has Cyclops Saved Mutants or Doomed Them All?

He may have restored the mutant population but what will be the price?

There's been a lot of discussion and arguments over Cyclops' actions in AVENGERS VS. X-MEN. Cyclops has made it his goal to protect mutants since their number had been reduced during Decimation and House of M. He knew his species was endangered and was determined to protect them at any and all cost.

Hope Summers was meant to be the mutant messiah and when the Phoenix Force was headed towards Earth, it appeared Hope was the target. Due to other circumstances, the Phoenix Force was split five ways (and equal portions were shared by what we call The Phoenix Five). Driven by the power of the Phoenix Force, Cyclops continued to do what he felt was necessary to make the planet a better place and to safeguard the future of mutants.

There were lots of casualties and destruction but it appeared that as a result of everything, Cyclops had helped bring the return of mutants on Earth. The x-factor in many kicked in and new mutants started popping up all over the place. Cyclops may have been right in doing all he set out to do but now it appears there is a price to pay for his actions. Has Cyclops really doomed all the mutants?

== TEASER ==

In the first issue of ALL-NEW X-MEN, we discover that Beast is having some hard times. He is the first to go through a third mutation (secondary mutations became the norm for many and added a second ability). Unfortunately this third mutation is killing him. His body cannot cope with the change. It's his decision to try to right things that result in bringing the original X-Men from the past to talk to the present day Cyclops.

In the third issue, Magneto tries using his powers to stop a truck and discovers he's having difficulty. When Cyclops steps in to use his powers, his optic blasts become so intense, he can barely control them. When talking to Emma, she mentioned her powers not being the same as they used to be. She can no longer use her telepathy.

What we're seeing is two different results. Emma mentions having a portion of the Phoenix Force changed them and "broke" their mutations. That explains why she, Cyclops and Magneto are having difficulty with their powers. We could expect Magik to have some problems (she mentions feeling more powerful) and Colossus (perhaps in the pages of CABLE AND X-FORCE). We'll have to see if Namor is affected. When the question was raised why Magneto's power would be affected since he wasn't in possession of a portion of the Phoenix Force. He was hit by a blast of it when he stood against Cyclops in the end.

What about Beast? What about other mutants? We don't know the full details about why Beast is going through a third mutation which his body can't handle. It could simply be another natural evolution such as when mutants started getting secondary mutations. It seems too much of a coincidence that he happens to be mutating further just after new mutants started popping up. If this mutation is potentially killing him, could the same happen to other mutants? Is it only those in close proximity to Cyclops when he had the Phoenix Force or is he still causing mutant powers to go haywire? Will this carry over to new mutants he tries to recruit as well?

Is this what Beast meant when he told Cyclops' younger self that he needed him to stop the older Cyclops from committing mutant genocide?

It might appear that the mutant population is back on its way to becoming a thriving population. Now we can see that there may be a catch. Mutants may have returned but it looks as if that return could be short lived. Cyclops may have helped bring mutants back from extinction but the results could end up with more than the previous few remaining dying out. Now it appears that each new mutant and existing mutant could be a ticking time bomb sentenced to death.

Cyclops may have been right in the Phoenix Force being able to bring back mutants but how long will they be back before they all permanently go away?

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Posted by pxiao

Actually it could be, when Hope spread the Phoenix force, all remaining mutants's were further empowered, while reawakening the x-gene is others

Posted by moywar700

In the end, they get cool new superpowers after having the same ones for decades.

Posted by VeganDiet

I don't get the whole "Cyclops was Right. Cyclops saved the mutants" thing. No, he didn't. Hope did. She's the one who gave up her phoenix powers to help mutant kind. Cyclops kept his when, apparently, he could have sacrificed the power to reactivate the x-gene the world over.

Sounds a lot more like a selfish prick than a savior to me.

Posted by Outside_85

Technically Scott hasnt helped save mutant-kind, thats Hope's achievement. Actually Scott is currently just making everything worse for mutants with his whole idea of a revolution (not that they needed any other reason to go after him but, a group of superpowered mutants talking about revolution is not going to sit well with the government)

Posted by Elixir95

It's weird that just a few days earlier Magneto was able to use his abilities fine when breaking Cyclops out....

Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf

Cyclops is a douche. He think he's all that, when in reality no one likes him.

Posted by VictorVonDoom_1

Scott fought for the mutants hoping he would protect them. Everything he did, he didn't achieve to what Hope Summers did. At the end of it all, Hope is the one responsible for the mutants coming back, or so to speak. The Phoenix Force corrupted Erik's mind.

Cyclops will always be a favorite to me though, regardless of what actions he's done.

Posted by Dernman

I sense bickering in these comments's future.

Posted by FoxxFireArt

What I don't understand is the X-Men's position that if they try and confront Cyclops that half of them will die. Has he even threatened to kill any of them? He already said he supports what they are trying to do with the school, and he's not trying to stop them.

This just seems like another comic flaw in logic that they haven't even tried talking to him at all about their concerns. They sound more like they're looking for a fight. How many mutants have they brought in while wasting time trying to stop Cyclops?

Removing Emma's telepathy only worries me, becasue I fear Marvel may try and remove her original power. Also, third mutations sound incredibly corny.

Posted by Dernman

One could argue that Cyclops saved them by protecting Hope but heck it's not like he's the only one and Cable has been doing it longer.

Posted by Death_By_Smoke

Whatever the reason for the new flux in powers, I'm glad for it as new powers equal new interest in these rather static and stale characters. So hurray for new developments. When young Scott meets his future self I bet this thought enters his mind: "Older me is such a self righteous tool. And how come there aren't flying cars in the future? There's pretty much everything else."

Posted by Dernman
@FoxxFireArt: I don't think they said half of them would die if they confront him so much as they are worried about starting a civil war if they try to stop him.
Posted by lifeboy

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Im trying to get all the A's out of me. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Posted by TheCrowbar

Did G-Man just troll us?

Also Scott did save the mutant race, or are we forgetting Dark Reign? Mutant Messiah? All those unprovoked attacks on Utopia?

Posted by Jazon

this is what i love about the x-books: there's actually character development and progression. i've been reading them since the late 80's and i am quite pleased that they are pushing the merry mutants in different directions. well done.

i think cyclops will eventually doom mutants if he continues on his course. the task of the younger cyke is to prevent that from happening, kinda like past xmen stories of preventing the future from happening, only, our present is the young x-men's future.

Posted by FoxxFireArt

@Dernman:

ALL NEW X-MEN #1

Then they should try and contact Cyclops to voice their concerns about his actions and the repercussions. It's the X-Men who are looking for a fight with him. Cyclops doesn't oppose the X-Men's position, but they sure seem to oppose him. Where is it written that only the X-Men are allowed to help mutants, and only they get to decide how? To have a Civil War you need both sides trying to stop one another. They are under the assumption that approaching him will end in a fight.

How many mutants need to get arrested, persecuted, or worse waiting for the X-Men to start helping? This just looks like another example of having heroes oppose one another when a five minute conversation might help.

There's no reason for the government to come after the Jean Grey School because that school and Cyclops have never been affiliated.

I never saw the Avengers, Dr. Strange, Mr. Fantastic, or any other Marvel scientist or mystic trying to help the X-men find a way to restart the X-Gene. They didn't even raise a finger against the Purifiers after attacking the school and killing a lot of innocent children..

Posted by Beast_in_the_Shadows

@FoxxFireArt: Firstly, Cyke does oppose the X-men now. The X-men were founded on mutants and regular humans living in harmony and equality, but Cyclops has adapted a view point dangerously close to Magneto's view of mutant supremacy. Even if the government distinguishes the difference between Cyke and the good mutants, the people of the Marvel universe won't. They will see a man with powers saying he is better than them and every attack he launches instantly gets associated with all mutants as a whole. It works just like it does with terrorism in the real world, one hot headed group who happens to be Muslim start enacting their violent extremist views and sudden;y millions of people think that being Muslim on it's own is the same. What Cyke has done in the recent issues has been a PR nightmare for mutant kind and could undo almost everything he used to work so hard to create alongside Charles and the X-men.

As for your statement about no one else in the Marvel U trying to undo the events of M Day, I'm assuming you never read Endangered Species. In it we learn that all the mind of the Marvel U, good and bad, had looked into the problem and racked their brains trying to find a solution. It's not that they didn't try, they just all failed. Dr Strange even scowered the multiverse to see if any of the other worlds had found a solution.

Posted by antemiusenteri

@moywar700: ............and they could die....thats also a thing

Posted by antemiusenteri

@VeganDiet: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by FoxxFireArt

@Beast_in_the_Shadows:

Except for the fact Cyclops wrote Wolverine that note saying he supports the school.

Posted by antemiusenteri

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: Even his past self doesn't like him , lol

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@FoxxFireArt

Then they should try and contact Cyclops to voice their concerns about his actions and the repercussions. 

I figure they believe and so do I that it wont matter and Cyclops is going to do what he's going to do. Though I'm guessing that's what Beast is trying to do by bringing the younger selves to the here and now.

It's the X-Men who are looking for a fight with him.  

I don't actually think they want too. I bet they rather not fight him at all. I think they feel they are in a no win situation. 

Cyclops doesn't oppose the X-Men's position, but they sure seem to oppose him.

I agree. Edit: Actually I don't. Because their position is what he is doing is doing harm and he should stop. He doesn't agree with that.

Where is it written that only the X-Men are allowed to help mutants, and only they get to decide how?  

I don't think anyone is saying it is but if you see another group doing something you believe is doing harm then you're going to do what you can to stop them. Whether it's talking or more direct action.

To have a Civil War you need both sides trying to stop one another. They are under the assumption that approaching him will end in a fight. 

   
You don't nee both parties trying to stop one another to be a civil war. The have good reason to think it's possible.
 

How many mutants need to get arrested, persecuted, or worse waiting for the X-Men to start helping?   


They are helping. Cyclops is just getting to most of them first. IIRC it was something that they were wondering about.  


This just looks like another example of having heroes oppose one another when a five minute conversation might help. 

I think Cyclops is pretty much set on his course and talking isn't going make much of a difference. I don't think it's so much hero vs hero this time but philosophy vs philosophy. He doesn't think their's is enough and they think his is ultimately harming everyone. 

There's no reason for the government to come after the Jean Grey School because that school and Cyclops have never been affiliated.

 No but some of the teachers were involved. Forgetting that even though it's not about the school but the race and right or wrong whole groups get hit with the brush because of a few.

   I never saw the Avengers, Dr. Strange, Mr. Fantastic, or any other Marvel scientist or mystic trying to help the X-men find a way to restart the X-Gene.    They didn't even raise a finger against the Purifiers after attacking the school and killing a lot of innocent children..

Wait how did they get brought into this particular discussion? That's an entirely different discussion. Now that I think about it, I believe you veered off course in most of your post. All I addressed was the half of them dying if they face Cyclops thing. Heck I wasn't even saying anyone was right or wrong unless it was more then this ----

I don't think they said half of them would die if they confront him so much as they are worried about starting a civil war if they try to stop him. 

---you were addressing. Maybe from my other posts? *shrugs* 
 
 
P.S. I broke down your post into smaller qoutes to make it easier to keep strait and address everything not because I'm trying to argue with you.
Posted by antemiusenteri

@TheCrowbar: Yes. he single handedly protected the mutant race from all those threats . without him the other mutants would have all died his the only one who could have came up with a plan to save the mutants(sarcasm by the way ). Whats Cyclops got that everybody else hasn't ? its not like his the smartest cookie in the cookie jar, Leadership skills? Storm Wolverine Beast Magneto all great leader , His powers?..........not even. with or without cyclops the pheonix would have come and the new mutants would still emerge all he did was make mutants more hated in the process.

Posted by BSOD

@antemiusenteri said:

@TheCrowbar: Yes. he single handedly protected the mutant race from all those threats . without him the other mutants would have all died his the only one who could have came up with a plan to save the mutants(sarcasm by the way ). Whats Cyclops got that everybody else hasn't ? its not like his the smartest cookie in the cookie jar, Leadership skills? Storm Wolverine Beast Magneto all great leader , His powers?..........not even. with or without cyclops the pheonix would have come and the new mutants would still emerge all he did was make mutants more hated in the process.

Storm I'll give you. Wolverine has for a long time been written as not being a very capable leader, recently this has changed but I think most people would agree he still has a long way to go. Magneto again is an exceptionally capable leader, but Beast I don't think has ever actually been a team leader outside of perhaps X-club. Also Scott's powers have been repeatedly shown to be extremely powerful.

Posted by antemiusenteri

@BSOD: Wolverine has been alive for 100+ years , has fought in at least three wars , he's experienced more than enough to be a great leader , Beast might not lead often but his one of the worlds greatest minds if he wanted to he could lead. and cyclops can be as powerful as they won't but hiss power is still shooting red beams out of his eyes it's not a very divers power and now he can't even control it

Posted by Miss_Garrick

I think Cyclops is a terrorist and that he had no right to create more mutants. Have we heard of anybody being happy that they're now a mutant?

Scott sounded too much like Apocalyspe to me in recent pages.

Also, he's a jerk!

Posted by evo031

Scott made sure Hoped lived that is his biggest contribution to the mutant rebirth. What he is doing now is only adding to the the fear of them. The Phoenix really just reset everything back to where it was a few years ago: lots of mutants and everyone still hates and fears them I wouldn't exactly call that progress. Slightly off topic but, they have shown several new mutants but have any of the depowered ones regained their powers? That's originally what I thought was going to happen at the end of A vs X.

Posted by Or35ti

I'm still on the fence about All-New X-Men. I'm really into the two sides of the mutants and their conflicts but it's biweekly and I don't like the whole idea of the X-Men from the past coming into the present.

Posted by Big_Nasty

Oh how I wish I still had my 90's Blue and Yellow custom wearing boyscott. There constantly turning my favorite mutant into a douche aways falling second fiddle to Wolverine.

Posted by Mindnumb12

"Due to other circumstances, the Phoenix Force was split five ways..."

You mean due to the avengers interfering when they had no idea what they were dealing with?

Posted by FadeToBlackBolt

Pretty sure Wanda doomed them. 
 
And Hope doomed the franchise, since she's an abominable plot device that is a cancer to every possible story. Oh the irony of her name. Despair would have been far more appropriate. 

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Beast_in_the_Shadowson Dec. 11, 2012 at 2:10 a.m.

@FoxxFireArt: Firstly, Cyke does oppose the X-men now. The X-men were founded on mutants and regular humans living in harmony and equality

Uh, incorrect. He is not personally fighting against the humans. He just has a more intense reaction to any that would stop him from getting to new mutants. He is the x-men. If your about to drop Xavier's dream on me, I'll save you time. Xavier killed it himself. Check the last decade or so of revelations shown in the x books. Xavier , was constantly talking about using your powers for ill, and well, many x-men would have something to say about that. Cyclops is extreme, but it does not mean he is completely against humans. Plus in X-factor it shows he is the one responsible for what was left of the rebellion when humans try put them all in concentration sites.

Posted by hyenascar

@antemiusenteri said:

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: Even his past self doesn't like him , lol

Yeah, like he gives a damn. i bet the young Beast will like him.

Posted by x_29

To put it simply, I believe that the actions of Cyclops' has resulted in certain mutants entering a third stage of mutation. Until we learn or even get a little more insight on the ramifications of the phoenix, there is no real answer to the question snce we know very little besides that four of the x-men are experiencing some malfunctioning with their powers, we do no know if it is going to affect the rest of the mutants.

Posted by Blacharrt1

I am utterly confused by this article, is it about the consequences of what scott did or is doing, or is it about Beast, and him tampering with time to try and stop Cyclops????

Posted by GothamRed

Well seeing as the cyclops's actions mixed with the increase in mutants has brought mutant hysteria to what may be an all-time high, I going to have to say Cyke screwed this one up. Now the avengers and the x-men are forced to pick up the pieces.

Posted by Teerack

I think Cyclops was right about AvX but he wasted zero time jumping back onto the idiot buss once it was over.

Posted by AlKusanagi

He's done more damage to mutantkind in the last few years than Magneto, Sinister and Pocky put together. Not only did his little Utopia experiment cause humans to both fear mutants and simultaneously paint targets on their backs, his whole Phoenix stunt proved to the entire planet how dangerous mutants are, and on top of that their population just grew 1000 fold.

Magneto got a trial, so should Summers. Only with a more permanent outcome...

Posted by AlKusanagi

Also, "secondary mutations" were the dumbest thing to happen to the X comics in decades, and now they want to do tertiary mutations? The hell?!?

Posted by sora_thekey

@FoxxFireArt said:

How many mutants have they brought in while wasting time trying to stop Cyclops?

Three... I think. They are now enrolled in JGSHL.

@TheCrowbar said:

Also Scott did save the mutant race, or are we forgetting Dark Reign? Mutant Messiah? All those unprovoked attacks on Utopia?

Yeah bit check out where this led him. He's now the Magneto to Wolverine's Professor Xavier. His methods to save the mutant race weren't all tha heoric. He could've gone another route and not become the biggest mutant terrorist since... well, Magneto.

@moywar700 said:

In the end, they get cool new superpowers after having the same ones for decades.

Do we even know what Beast's third mutation is?? I might've missed it but I don't recall there mention of what it means other than him being ill. They might be saving this for a future reveal or something.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: Careful with the language.

Posted by Mutant God

Wait so Beast is doing all this time travel stuff because he is dying wow

Edited by Ballistic_z

@AlKusanagi: I'm a new poster here. And I had to speak up on this as well . I agree with this statement. I see Sage still didn't tell Beast what she did to save his life, when she saved beast from what Vargas did in the pages of X-Treme X-men and it furthered his mutation yes but it had nothing to do so with that thing Beast coined when emma went through her change with that diamond skin, which BTW interferes with her natural mutation of telepathic and psionic powers. his has not to do with that at all. In a way it's storm and others like Rogue fault too for not telling him. lack of comunication like how some of books have with writers on how character should act. like whren chuck austen had ice man freaking out about a ordinary nurse helping him with medical care yet this as we all know was out of character for him cause he's shown in the past to have dated ordinary humans and there he was suddenly prestigious .to humans. this kind why I had issue for these books for years. now since the X movie alot of is put in to the Xbooks that make say what???? cause it's obvious alot of the time the writers and eidtors at marvel don't pay attention to what the others doing. Especially with what happening currently. Ether emma's the only one that had that issue with her powers,

well besides Polaris to have shown some thing like that. . Polaris having shown some thing like that during shadow kings attack on Muir Island before the Blue and gold teams of the X men were formed and Havok took over X-factor for government. when she was being used to attack the other X-men and was stripped of her magnetic powers and she had super human strength to replace it, as some thing that substituted her as powers til she had magnetic powers returned to her back.

What beast said was all false. He never went through what Emma went through with her powers in the comic's (oh that anime no one should bring that up ether) thus he never had a secondary mutation.

Posted by G_Money_Christmas

Does Beast have a tongue ring in that second picture?

Posted by Suprman

@VeganDiet said:

I don't get the whole "Cyclops was Right. Cyclops saved the mutants" thing. No, he didn't. Hope did. She's the one who gave up her phoenix powers to help mutant kind. Cyclops kept his when, apparently, he could have sacrificed the power to reactivate the x-gene the world over.

Sounds a lot more like a selfish prick than a savior to me.

I agree

Posted by Lvenger

Of course Scott's actions have made things worse! He gambled everything on an all or nothing stake, he wasn't the one who used the PF to restore the mutants, Hope was and his actions were nothing to be proud of. He's become as bad as the people he's supposed to fight against and acts like an arrogant jerk whilst doing so.

Posted by evilvegeta74

Too many Cyclops Hater here, he will still prevail at the end of the day.

Posted by StMichalofWilson

@pxiao said:

Actually it could be, when Hope spread the Phoenix force, all remaining mutants's were further empowered, while reawakening the x-gene is others

Interesting

@VeganDiet said:

I don't get the whole "Cyclops was Right. Cyclops saved the mutants" thing. No, he didn't. Hope did. She's the one who gave up her phoenix powers to help mutant kind. Cyclops kept his when, apparently, he could have sacrificed the power to reactivate the x-gene the world over.

Sounds a lot more like a selfish prick than a savior to me.

This

@Jazon said:

this is what i love about the x-books: there's actually character development and progression. i've been reading them since the late 80's and i am quite pleased that they are pushing the merry mutants in different directions. well done.

i think cyclops will eventually doom mutants if he continues on his course. the task of the younger cyke is to prevent that from happening, kinda like past xmen stories of preventing the future from happening, only, our present is the young x-men's future.

Another Days of the Future Pasts IMO

Posted by LiamB8
@Or35ti said:

I'm still on the fence about All-New X-Men. I'm really into the two sides of the mutants and their conflicts but it's biweekly and I don't like the whole idea of the X-Men from the past coming into the present.

I agree.
Posted by Psycho_Soldier

Beast was/is/will be wrong time?

Posted by UltraBiel

@Mindnumb12 said:

"Due to other circumstances, the Phoenix Force was split five ways..."

You mean due to the avengers interfering when they had no idea what they were dealing with?

Funny how people forget things fast...

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