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Off My Mind: Does the Marvel Universe Need Multiple Avengers Teams?

Are individual teams necessary or should there be one giant team?

In the old days there was only one team of Avengers. As with most teams, the roster was constantly changing. With so many different members over the years and the need to fight evil on a bigger scale, the West Coast Avengers was formed. That gave two teams. Eventually an attempt was made to establish a team in the middle of the United States and the Great Lakes Avengers was created...but never had an official sanction.

With the passing of the Super Human Registration Act, a civil war came about within the super-powered community. The heroes were split and former teammates found themselves fighting against one another. This lead to Captain America's Secret Avengers. They believed in the human rights and privacy of heroes. They stood against the government and the decision that all heroes should register and reveal their true identities.

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Once matters were settled to a degree, we still had two separate teams, the Mighty Avengers and the New Avengers. With different goals, it made sense that all these former Avengers would continue fighting in what they believed in, even if on separate teams following different ideals. With Captain America in charge of all the heroes, is there still a need for the separate teams? The Avengers is the main team. The New Avengers is still sanctioned by the government but supposedly follow their own lead. The Secret Avengers was meant for black ops missions but it didn't feel as if these missions really needed to be a secret. Of course there's also the Young Avengers operating on their own..

With so many different Avengers under Captain America's command, would it be best to just have one team rather than three separate ones?

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The dangers the Avengers face can't always be manageable for each team. They have a wide variety of villains ranging from regular street villains with some sort of gimmick to galactic and cosmic powered threats. An existing team of Avengers or New Avengers might not be the best prepared team, regardless of the amount of experience each member brings. The Avengers don't go out on patrol so having a set roster isn't necessary.

What would make more sense is for Captain America (or whoever is in command) to assess the situation as it occurs. Once the threat has been determined, the appropriate members could be gathered and dispatched to deal with the enemies. There could be a loose established roster of heroes with a variety of powers (strength, speed, intelligence, etc) that could be sent on routine missions or ones where the full extent is not known. Once the details are known, the Avenger(s) best suited should be immediately sent out.

Having a large number of Avengers available would require a facility that could house them all. Some Avengers living in the Avengers Mansion while others were at the Avengers Tower (before it was destroyed) doesn't make sense. There's no reason they can't all be in the same place (provided they have an incredible security system that won't allow the entire team to be wiped out). Then if Doc Ock or a former Herald of Galactus shows up, whoever is needed could be sent out.

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There is an argument to be made in having separate teams with actual rosters. An established team relies on teamwork. Once they know each other and their powers, different strategies can be established. Working together is the whole purpose of banding together. Most of the Avengers have faced supervillains on their own. Knowing how to work as a team will make capturing the villain easier and faster while also ensuring the safety of innocent bystanders.

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Still, having separate teams can be limiting. Why should a team only be allowed a set number of members when there are so many other Avengers that could go with them? The more the merrier. There's also the fact that some Avengers appear to be on multiple teams. Spider-Man and Hawkeye, for example, jumped back and forth between the Avengers and the New Avengers. They should just go with the team that needs them.

There is a wide range of experience among the Avengers. Many have worked together in some capacity, whether on the Avengers or in simple team-ups. Many of them will know how to work with each other. They will know each other's strengths and weaknesses. Being able to rely on each other could make a huge difference in the middle of a battle but because they are all professionals, the Avengers won't allow just anyone to become a member, they should be fully aware of each other's abilities.

As long as Captain America can arrange for random training sessions with different groups of members, the idea of having one super-team would be ideal. The bad guys don't schedule attack times. If one team is fighting villain and another strikes elsewhere, expert coordination would be needed to make sure the best suited Avengers are dispatched. They are all Avengers after all. Why do they feel the need to keep themselves separated in separate teams would the world would benefit from one team dispatching members when and where they are needed?

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Edited By Jnr6Lil

They just need 1 super-team

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Edited By Skaddix

At most marvel can probably expand to have a franchise with 5-6 Ongoings it just depends on how u want to break things down.

Avengers: Either U make this team more international with a collection of bigger guns with Cap and one more as the only exception or u just knock the focus down to defending America

New Avengers: U make it the street team with the lower end characters or u make it the international team

Secret Avengers: Basically the same black ops team also a good team to put popular enough character who have no business on the main team such has Quake and Rulk

Avengers Academy: Call it that or Initiative it basically stays the same

Cosmic Avengers: Marvel Cosmic is dead and the Avengers are popular make a cosmic team to bolster this line. So the F4 does not have to go it alone with a little help from the occasional X-men space jaunt

Last Avengers Title: U either give the Young Avengers a book again or u chose to still go with a noticeably weaker street team or nothing else

Still yeah I think more then one team is fine. The A-team should not have to deal with all the minor threats and some times u need a more specalized team. Also the Avengers should invest in spellcasters and telepaths.

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- Considering the Avengers are expected to defend the entire planet, the idea that you can stretch one team in enough directions does not make much sense. They are expected to take on villains as diverse as Stilt-Man to Galactus, so having distinct units to handle operations of varying threat is not only logical, but necessary. Not to mention part of your job is to police the X-Men, good luck dealing with that with one team.

- I think the 4 books we have already can fit the bill fine, just modify the rosters to really fit the function of the teams better. No sharing between rosters and no memebers who are part of other teams to get rid of conflicts on interest.

Avengers - Cap / Iron Man / War Machine / Pulsar / etc

- The team that handles the major threats, since they are not worried about minor threats they can spend all their time preparing and dealing with worst case scenarios. Actually deserves the motto Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

New Avengers - Hawkeye / Mockingbird / Spider Woman / etc

- The team that deals with the day to day minor threats to allow the main team to focus on the major ones. Most of these characters are useless in the major battles so why not have them be used where they can make a real difference

Secret Avengers - Characters with no or little ties to the Avengers

- Black Widow heads a team of characters who have no direct ties to the Avengers, sends them on sensitive missions of covert nature. Steve running around with no mask is not black ops, its just dumb.

Avengers Academy - Young Avengers, some of the current cast, select others

- The next generation of superheroes, given training with no strings attached, so that regardless of what team they go to they have the foundation to be successful.

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Edited By JReed2008

Yes to Multiple Avengers teams. Different teams to take on different threats. New = street, mighty = cosmic/multidimensional, secret = black ops, and one adjectiveless team led by Steve filled with a mix of up and coming heroes, as well as old vets, and reformed villians, and their mission is just to take on the job of one of the other team if the other team can't.

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Edited By Jnr6Lil

No, I even made a topic about this.

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multiple as in 12 like now? no its crap.  Original and maybe one more thats it.  Waaaay out of control.  2 is more than enough. 

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I hate multiple Avenger teams. I think it should be one team, rotating roster. IF you want another Avengers book then it should be like a Young Avengers book, the trainee's. Thats actually interesting, not more of the same.

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No!, I say it's fine way it is or in fact invite more to the team
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First we need to have definitive roster. .  What team are Ms. Marvel, Spiderwoman, Spider-man and Wolverine on.  They are on every mission in both books.  Pick a team if you need more members bring them in, they are out there. Now the New Avengers are what we would call avengers light.  Spider-man, Power Man, Iron Fist, Daredevil, Jessica Jones and the Thing are all local talent to NYC, they are not a global team, they should stay local to the U.S if they are not going to add any Major Guns to them ie. Hercules, Wonder Man, or She Hulk They also don't have any powers that can be used at a distance, they are all physical people, no long range powers maybe Firestar, Scarlet Witch(yea right as if Steve would let her out of his sight.) Vision, Nova, or Quasar. Wolverine should stay with X-teams and Thing with the Future Foundations.  Why don't we have a permanent six man roster for the Avengers and New Avengers  and bring in other members as needed. The Avengers have a mission. The Secret Avengers have a mission.  Even the Academy has a mission.  Now it's up to the writers to give us exciting stories.  Don't blame the characters, they didn't do anything.  And Why have Spider Man and Spider Woman on the same, I know they have different power sets, but still they are both spiders.

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wow, that captain america avengers picture with black widow, moon knight, etc. looks very familiar to that new x men picture... probably an homage to it or something.

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Why not go back to have an East Coast and a West coast team.  That will take care of having everyone basically in NY.  That will also give the teams a more set "core" membership and you won't have people like Spider-Man all over the place.  It would also make more sense for a Character like Wolverine to be on a West Coast Avengers team.  It would make his commute so much easier for him when he is up to his X-Men related shenanigans.

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@The Stegman said:
woah woah, i just wanna say this art 
  
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is amazing, reminds me of the JLA art! 
 
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Really? how about these apples?
 
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i wish i could find a better picture of it. i swear ive seen one with captain marvel in it.
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The Avengers were perfect when they had two teams. It's a good recipe.

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The more Avengers teams the more books they can sell. I do think it is weird, especially for say Wolverine to be on so many teams but someone described it best. He hates his life so much that he constantly needs to be in action, so when ever he is free he is on a mission with some team some where. 
 
I don't mind any of these books other than Secret Avengers because they don't seem so secret. Compared to X-Force that is a real Black Ops team, Secret Avengers don't seem to be doing anything that different which was the disappointment. 
 
I wish they would make a mash-up team though of Avenges & X-Men aka "AX". Could be really interesting and a new take on the Avengers being Pro-Mutant, even if the world hates them and we already have mutants on the Avengers.

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I always like when they have a couple different sections/squads within the Avengers, but I do not want a overly bloated roster of too many characters who do not need to be there...

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 I disagree- with the 51st state initiative( i.e a superhero team stationed in each state-even if it's just one like Hellcat is in Alaska), and with the disbandment (apparently permanently )of the Fantastic Four after the death of Johnny Storm, the Avengers should be the official team of NY State and leave the rest of the continental US to other teams- just as it leaves the rest of the other countries and regions of the world to resident heroes, whether individually (Sabra in Israel, Arabian Knight in Saudi Arabia) or as groups( Big Hero  6 in Japan, Super Heroes of Europe in EU, China Force in PRC, Winter Guard in Russian Federation)- too many cooks can spoil the broth after all- and since when has Captain America permanently signed off on killing?-he has taken life before in certain admittedly extreme circumstances such as beheading Baron Blood( admittedly BB was strictly speaking "undead" but it's still technically taking a life)?

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I say go with one team of Avengers but write stories with different books. HERE IS HOW TO DO IT. One set of these books would follow a particular mission to its conclusion. Anytime the mission concludes, or a member is called away for a different mission, or the story lines merges with another mission; the writers would make reference the other set of books that follow the new/different story arc. Current comics already reference other titles at the end of each book anyway so it's not that big of a change. To separate these different books/story arcs, they would be labeled with a secondary title, or sub title, that corresponds to the theme of the current mission featured in that story arc. For instance, the New Avengers storyline that followed Dr Voodoo and the magical  amulet could have been called  "Avengers: Sorcerer Supreme Mission"  or the Mighty Avengers storyline were Tony Stark's device threatens the future could have been called "Avengers: Stark's Future Legacy." Hence, in one month Avengers #1: Sorcerer Supreme Mission part 1, & Avengers #2: Stark's Future Legacy part 1  would be released as the same team just different story arcs. They would be able to release all the book sets as Avengers but with their respective and current writers, stories, and proper set of heroes. This would also allow an easier way for readers to follow a favorite story line or favorite character, allow for numerous stories to unfold, and allow all the characters to reside on one united Avengers team. In fact, the whole concept should be renamed Avengers United #1: (insert secondary title).

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I say , you can have both. Have one or two set teams. Then have multiple heroes in a  database that when a problem that the other avenger teams cant get to, or need assitanance on they can be called upon.
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I typically prefer one large team to read about. However, multiple teams makes it easier to manage crime and terrorism in multiple regions of the Earth without having to deal with so many things at once in different places.... why not have a team already there to handle it while you take care f your own problems. It's more organized and more convenient.
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We don't need multiple Avengers teams, just multiple Avengers books.

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One singular team of everybody? You mean like the Justice League Unlimited? I like the idea, it worked well for the League!

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@DalekDoctor2011 said:

The X-Men have multiple teams and books why shouldn't the Avengers!!!

This. Avengers teams have different functions, so I don't see why not
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One Avengers team, one avengers comic. Same goes for X-men, Spiderman, Wolverine, Hulk, Thor, and all the other over-exposed teams and characters.

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More teams means more money

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I strongly agree that Bendis needs to hand over a Avengers team to somebody that could write for a special team (of Avengers). Not that I think he is a bad writer, but that he is starting to take over the Marvel titles (a least the good ones). The industry needs to understand what if: Bendis was to die tomorrow ? That would throw the marvel name in a creek without a paddle, while you had DeadPool drilling holes, because that is the sane thing to do. Now, as far as Bendis "coming up with new things all the time" I think he needs to have more focas on the task at hand, then taking new ones to brighten his resume. Even better yet, take a new writer and have him learn from Bendis. I would love it if two teams were formed, I personally think that there is too many characters to follow now. How many times have you read a book and found out that three or so characters never said a thing (or important things) ? Spread the wealth a bit.

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Just trying to saturate the market with the Avengers name in whatever format they can.  After the movie(s) it will die down and Marvel will start pimping whatever their next project is.

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@The Stegman said:
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is amazing, reminds me of the JLA art! 
 
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of course it does, they're both drawn by Alex Ross
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captin america , spiderman , ironman , sentry , thor , wonderman , wolverine this team owns EVERYONE

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Yeah 1 Avengers team would be better, or at the most 2 (aside from the Cosmic Avengers, The rest of the galaxy neads an avengers team to deal with probs the earth bound heros cant deal with), and lets get Hulk on the current standard avengers team (if there even is one at this point) and kick someone off like....SPIDERMAN
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I would prefer one Avengers team, but they sell, so it's going to happen.

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woah woah, i just wanna say this art 
  

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think about it. in the end, everyone has an avengers card. regardless of the team, be it mighty, new, old, or west coast you are STILL an avenger, right? you get the card and access to everything an avenger has, right?!?!! just like the x-men. why need x-force, new x-men, x-factor(YEAH I AM GOING BACK) generation x, the new mutants, and whatnot and in the end, you still wear the x? dont you all represent the dream of xavier? 

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I think the hangup here is on the word "team." I think of the Avengers as more of an "Organization" and the "Adjective Avengers" could be squads within that organization. If a problem arises, Steve can say "oh, we'll send the Mighty Avengers because they're better suited for ______" or "This looks like it needs to be carried out discretely, so I'll send in the Secret Avengers." 
They did the "one Avengers team with 30 members" thing before Onslaught, and it seemed like half of the stories (at least from a Captain America fan perspective) dealt with how overwhelming it was to navigate so many major egos and schedules. Half of the time, Cap was like "There is an emergency! Which Avengers do I choose? Well, Black Widow is having her own solo adventure, so she's out. She-Hulk is doing something somewhere, so she's out. Wolverine is out X-Menning, so he's out" etc etc etc. I think having a few pre-made teams that he can just tell to go tightens the stories up a bit.
I like having multiple Avengers books in the same continuity. I just wish Mighty Avengers was still going (or at least a roommate/buddy sitcom book with US Agent and Herc)

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I prefer one Avengers team. Having Cap send out the right members would be a good idea but then fans would not be able to follow their favs from month to month since it would be unpredictable. With the way it works now, people that like the Young Avengers can read about them every month.

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After Fear Itself,  the Avengers could be just one team under one book, weather I'd buy it or not depends on who's writing.
 
But I think having different "flavors" of Avengers (books) isn't a bad either, as long as each team feels unique and has a distinct premise. Currently the franchises weakest book imo is New Avengers. A team that does things their own way I understand, but because of the writer, certain roster members, and the premise itself (which isn't clearly defined), the books flavor just isn't strong enough. 
 
 I just hope Secret Avengers can still be a strong book after Fear Itself since it's unclear weather Cap will still be the government's "Top Cop", and weather he'll officially be a member of the (adjective-less) Avengers.

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@Baddamdog said:
I think they should, there are so many Avengers and everybody has favourites, having multiple teams is not only a great way for Marvel to make money but also for us, the fans, to read about our favourite Avenger/s
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@doordoor123 said:

As long as Quesada is in charge, I dont see the Marvel only having one team.

quesada hasn't been in charge for months
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i'd say yes. or just sub divisions of the main team.
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@fred9101: @fred9101 said:

For my part I think there are not enough teams. I would limit the membership to 10 members per  teams and I would create several new teams of Avengers:  The Old Avengers The Former Avengers The Beach Avengers The Avengers at the School The Future Avengers The Next New Avengers The Avengers Community The Fury Avengers  The Astonishing Avengers The Incredible Avengers Avengers Its Us Military Avengers Police Avengers...

I'd read me some Beach Avengers. : D
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no they shouldnt! or at least only one or two. 5+ is way too much.

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No, just one. And Spider-Man and Wolverine certainly don't need to be on it.

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What about something like this: Avengers Unlimited. Similar approach to Justice League Unlimited, where the original founding members are squad leaders of the whole team. It could work.
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I've read the Avengers for a long, long time but dropped them after just getting fed up with Bendis' multiple teams. The book was at it's best when you had one team with the main members (Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Wasp, Hawkeye, Hank) and then a nice assortment of smaller but equally fun characters (Vision, Wonder Man, Scarlett Witch, Jack of Hearts, etc). One thing this did was really create a more interesting and developed chemistry between these characters. 
 
But Bendis throws in Spider-Man and Wolverine and had the Avengers, New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, Secret Avengers, Dark Avengers, then he starts them over, brings them back, and on and on and on. 
 
I finally had enough. He basically ruined what I loved baout the Avengers. I would love to see it back to one high quality, concentrated book.
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I'd prefer multiple teams if they actually had a purpose, but in the Avengers' case, that's not how it is.  
 
I say do 2 teams. An international team (the main one) and  black ops team.  
 
The Avengers: 
Based in NYC, deal with international threats, for the public 
- Captain America (Steve Rogers) 
- Iron Man 
- Thor 
- Red Hulk 
- Ms. Marvel 
- Vision 
- Noh-Varr 
 
The Invaders: 
Based on the SHIELD Helicarrier, deal with "other" threats, for SHIELD 
- Bucky Barnes 
- Black Widow 
- Hawkeye 
- Spider-Woman 
- Black Panther 
- Moon Knight 
- War Machine 
- Ant-Man 
 
And the New Avengers aren't an Avengers team because we all know what they really are: The Marvel Knights.  

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Personally, I liked the whole initiative setup... distributing an avengers franchise throughout the US makes a lot of sense, and it has given no-names a way to shine.  See MZ3... which made Kale one of my favorite characters. 
 
New Avengers... no idea WTF is going on there.

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I get that the Avengers moniker is a money maker, but I'd prefer if they brought back the Defenders & Champions and have a set roster for each. Have Cap lead the Main Avengers, Iron Man lead the Defenders and Ms. Marvel lead the Champions. That way there's a clear distinction between them, but they can still all be associated with each other.
 
For example, and I know lineups are irrelevant here, but I'm gonna do it anyway :P
 
Avengers: Captain America, Hawkeye, Thor, Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, Wolverine
 
Defenders: Iron Man, Black Widow, Valkyrie, Spider-Man, Yellowjacket, Photon
 
Champions: Ms. Marvel, Beast, Dr. Strange, Falcon, She-Hulk, Iron Fist

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id prefer one team.

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I don't have a problem with multiple Avengers teams but I would like it if there was clear difference between the teams, or a specific mission goal.