Off My Mind: Does Talia Want Damian To Kill Dick?

" @-Eclipse-:  sorry i was thinking this issue came out last week. And it came out two days ago so i thought everyone else would have read it before me by now. It wont let me put a spoiler now to cover it up for everyone else. Again im sorry. Also there is supposably an even bigger spoiler at the end "

I'd believe Dick as Batman if he didn't insist on calling Alfred "Alfie" all the time. 
 
Alfie is my dog's name, for Pete's sake. It ruins his cool-factor.

Damian comes out with some funny stuff but Tim Drake was a better Robin by about 500%. 
 
I honestly still don't think of Dick as Batman. He feels like a fill-in at best and he was much better as Nightwing. He was his own man and made his own choices and I liked that a lot better.

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" Damian is 10!!!!! Its so stupid. "

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" Damian is 10!!!!! Its so stupid. "

I just realized that I haven't really thought about Bruce/Batman with Damian/Robin. That seems kind of weird. Wonder if that'd work.

I still think that there is still a lot of potential complex storytelling with Dick as Batman.  Unfortunately, because there are so many people that are unwilling to allow that to happen (mainly readers), they will probably bring back Bruce as Batman and just make everything the same, stale world that we all know.  *le sigh*  As for Damian, I figure that'll turn into a basic "oh, well, Talia was controlling him, but at the last second, he stops and everything ends up good between him, Bruce, and Dick".  Such is the way in the world of comics.
 
Seriously, someone could write a great arc that explores the idea of Batman as a symbol of both fear and protection rather than just being about some man who is tortured by his own insanity.  Bruce Wayne seriously IS as crazy as everyone he fights against, and it's something that I just don't feel has been properly looked at in the comics.  With Dick as Batman, it allows the idea of "The Batman" to be a symbol for once, like Bruce has always claimed it to be.  It's not a symbol when Bruce is under the cowl, though.  It's a guy whose parents died and he feels the need to dress up like a bat and prowl the streets, delivering his own form of justice.  With Dick under the cowl, there is a LOT of potential for great storytelling that will sadly get pushed to the wayside because people refuse to deal with change in a major character unless it says "The Dark Knight Returns" on it.
 
All I know is that if Batman & Robin ends, and Bruce goes back into the cowl, I'll probably have FAR LESS of an interest in the Batman books than I do right now.  I love Bruce as Batman and all, don't get me wrong - I just feel that Bruce as Batman had become stale before the whole Battle For The Cowl thing. 
 
Then again, if the editing on Batman & Robin remains to be as poor as it has been the last few issues...then yeesh.

I hope someone kills Damian

I don't think Damien will kill Dick. Because 1. Dick is to important of a character to kill  2. If Damien killed Dick imagine how Bruce would react he would completely like destroy the kid or at least his mom either one. But i hope Bruce takes the cowl back. I think if anything Dick will be happy to give it back. But ya Marvel and DC are running the exact same stories here. Cap/Bat stuck in time.Check. Former Sidekicks do not want to take up mantle. Check. Former Sidekicks decide to take mantle so nobody else will. Check. Cap/Bat come back see Former Sidekicks work and decide to let them have mantle for now....Or at least that's my prediction for the Bat storyline. Honestly i can't ever really see Dick as Batman after Bruce comes back and I hope DC doesn't push him on us like they did with Damien. Bruce IS Batman he created Batman and outside he may be Bruce but to me he always has been Batman. Dick just doesn't have to personality to be Batman. Maybe a replacement sure. But when Bruce comes back I want to see him take up the mantle. 

What's with Damian's blue hair? 
 
I hope they keep Dick as Batman, simply because I'd like to see some character progression for Bruce. Something different aside from just being batman day in day out. Then after a good period of time in a new role he should be given a definitive compelling reason to return. All the build up would be worth it for the payoff

Bruce needs to come back - if if it's just to smack some sense into Damien.

" Question: would anyone else like Damian better if it turned he's NOT Bruce's son?  I really like the character. His arrogance, and the way he treats Dick and Alfred  ("grayson and pennyworth" lol It always makes me laugh), like just because his last name's Wayne he's the king of the world. It's a cool and different approach to a Robin...BUT... i HATE that he's Batman's son... so what do you say ppl? or do you actually like him BECAUSE he's the bat's son? "

Oberon Sexton

Bruce=Batman when he returns he will once again take the cowl because that's what he is. Also I'm not a huge fan of Damien and I'll probably hate him forever if he kills Dick lol. I'm excited for Bruce's return, he will bring normality back, meaning everything will fall into place.

This series just frustrates me.  It's like Morrison is -pushing- Damian on us, forcing us to like him, making him his darling character.  Honestly, I only like Damian when Morrison is not writing him (See Batgirl and B:SoG).  I don't believe for a second that a 10 year old can make a car fly (Something Bruce had trouble with, Dick never did, and Tim couldn't do).  I have trouble believing that a 10 year old can know about business.  It's coming off like bad fan fiction, if you ask me.
 
I'd like to read a story where Damian is -not- Bruce's son.  Cause I do like Damian.  He's different and abrasive and I like that!  But, I'd like him to be a little age-appropriate.  I think Damian's character can only get interesting if he's not Bruce's son.
 
I'm not dropping the book, cause it's going to lead into Bruce's return, but I'm still not loving this story.

NO!
 
 I think this wont happen, you know why? Because DC knows that Dick is too much of an important character. They even let him live through the crisis one because they thought it wouldn't be a big shock since hes human and two because Dick is too important to the batman storyline. Also he is a major character they could put him in any comic out there because he has been there in the outsiders, the JLA, the Teen titans, Bat-family and he sells!
 
Don't matter how much of a d!ck Dick is I think we have to agree that he is too important to be killed; Specially by a little turd like Damian..

it would be a good way to get things back to normal after Bruce's return.....make Damien a villain,  Dick goes back to being Nightwing, and Tim becomes Robin again

Question: would anyone else like Damian better if it turned he's NOT Bruce's son? 
 
I really like the character. His arrogance, and the way he treats Dick and Alfred  ("grayson and pennyworth" lol It always makes me laugh), like just because his last name's Wayne he's the king of the world. It's a cool and different approach to a Robin...BUT... i HATE that he's Batman's son... so what do you say ppl? or do you actually like him BECAUSE he's the bat's son?

why do people still assume Bruce is going to be Batman again upon his return???  Isn't it clear as day that DC & MARVEL are basically running similar story lines at this point???  Bruce wont be Batman...  He will serve some "higher" purpose...  Just like your boy Steve Rogers... 

I was considering dropping this and switching to trades but the next arc looks really good, grr.
What I don't like is that Andy Clarke and that guy who did the last Batman and Detective Annuals draw Damian way too old. I had to repeatedly flip back to the issue where they said he was 10 to remind myself that he's not, like, 15.

I've always wondered how Bruce would react if Dick( his favorite son) died, but I would rather see Dick survive. I don't see a problem with him going back to the name Nightwing, because I'm fairly certain that most people don't really care who christopher kent is or what he does. Grant morrison is hard to predict because I'm sure he wants to avoid like the plague anything the readers could have easily deduced as the next probable act in the Batman Series, and that's a good and bad thing. It's good because I like to be surprised but it's bad because it makes for cheap story telling when you're constant M.O. is going for the shyamalan twist every story arc. I do however like his work for the most part, but sometimes it can be a bit much with the Changing of the Guard theme stuck on a loop 

I don't know of any thing that Dick Grayson did to Talia to make her want to kill him. However, if this is just so that when Bruce comes back Dick will be dead so that Bruce won't retire(which is silly, because Bruce would never do such a thing). Is the black glove really a threat now? Can't Bruce deal with them once he comes back. 

Young businessman Damian = win
Sure, before Bruce's EPIC return someone gonna die. My word - Talia herself