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Off My Mind: DC Universe Reboot: Should Superman Hook Up with Wonder Woman?

Would this be a good move or an insult to decades of history?

Yesterday the news broke that Geoff Johns and Jim Lee were revamping the DC Universe. Characters are getting redesigned and should be more accessible for newer readers. Because Johns & Lee's Justice League #1 goes on sale the same day Flashpoint ends, there's the possibility that more than just costumes will be changing.

This won't be the first time DC has given its books a fresh start. It's understandable that when you have decades and decades of continuity, newer readers can easily get lost or intimidated. Over the years, events tend to get pushed aside. Things that occurred in the past still happened but aren't an immediate concern in comics. When was the last time there was mention of Lex Luthor dying from Kryptonite radiation poisoning, cloning his body and claiming he was his long lost illegitimate son?

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When we've seen the changes, it was usually minor tweaks. We didn't have major changes. A rumor that has surfaced could spark quite a major change. Out of the ashes of Flashpoint, Superman and Lois Lane will no longer be married. That opens up the possibility that Superman and Wonder Woman could become an item. Is this a good idea or a subplot that will outrage fans of Superman?

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With Flashpoint erasing the marriage, we don't have to worry about a divorce or bitterness from fans (as with Spider-Man and Mary Jane's marriage). Superman is one of the world's most powerful heroes. It would make total sense for him to find a partner that could stand on even grounds with. As a human news reporter, Lois is not fully part of Superman's world. They may confide completely with each other but she'll never really know what his world is like.

The fact that they've managed to remain married for so many years is, in itself, surprising. Superman's world is constantly full of danger. There is always the possibility that someone could discover his true identity and Lois automatically becomes a target. As fast as Superman is, he can't be everywhere at once. Unless he decided to remain by Lois' side at all times, there's no way he could save others and protect her at the same time.

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What about the fact that he is super-strong? He's the Man of Steel. How much does his Kryptonian body weigh? Could he crush her if he accidentally rolled over in his sleep? What if he had a muscle spasm during the night? Could he kill her if his leg kicked out? In terms of his body, is it actually as hard as steel? How do Lois and Clark kiss or hold hands? Does Superman have to be consciously aware and delicate when being near Lois? I've always assumed he was super-strong all the time and had to be extremely careful around others.

Over the years, readers have always thrown around the idea of Superman and Wonder Woman being a couple. They would be perfect for each other. Also, even though Wonder Woman is part of DC's Trinity along with Superman and Batman, you have to admit that being Superman's girlfriend or wife would have a nice impact on her status and acceptance among readers.

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But we all know Wonder Woman has so much more potential than just being someone's girlfriend (just as Lois should be more than just Superman's girl). Superman has been smitten with Lois from the very beginning. Being with her helps him maintain the human quality he strives for.

Does anyone want to truly be Superman all the time? Lois may not be capable of physically giving Superman a child like Wonder Woman could, but since we're talking about comic books, there's absolutely no reason a way couldn't be devised to allow Lois to safely carry Clark's child.

DC may be revamping (rebooting?) the entire universe, but as I stated last week when I discussed DC rebooting everything, I don't think it would last forever. Superman may be single and might be able to hook up with Wonder Woman but there's just no denying that he and Lois are meant for each other.

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If we do see Superman and Wonder Woman hook up, my advice to Lois Lane fans is to be patient. Let Superman sow his wild oats and let's see where the story possibilities take them. I strongly believe that whether it's a few months, a year or longer, we will see everything go back. We will have an Action Comics #1000 in just over eight years. The idea may be to try to make comics accessible for new readers in the hopes of increasing sales (to keep the industry alive) but you simply can't turn your back on 75 years of history. Then again, we have had major changes after the Golden Age, Silver Age, Crisis on Infinite Earths, etc.

If this truly is the end of the marriage, it was a glorious fifteen years. We can only hope that one day these two will find their way back together...if things don't work between Superman and Wonder Woman.

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I like the idea of superheroes in relationships w regular humans, and I always thought that Wonder Woman had a thing for Bats, so I say no. 

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Diana could do some untold damage as the jealous ex-girlfriend type so I say no.
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I think Superman fits Wonder Woman much better than some ridicules people they have had her hook up with through the years like Batman... What the Fuck was they considering when they thought that up

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@Primmaster64 said:
@Mr. Dead Pool:   

dude, this is why you are my favorite
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@caesarsghost said:

@Primmaster64 said:

@Mr. Dead Pool:   

dude, this is why you are my favorite
XD I know
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I'm not sure.

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All I have to say is that post Flashpoint  
Wonder Woman = Lois Lane 
& therefore Superman gets Lois and Wonder Woman!!!

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I don't really think SM and WW would be interesting, they've got virtually the same powers, what is there to look forward to? Unless they're gonna get into huge fights because WW kills somebody I feel like it'd be a total snoozefest.  Maybe I should blame JL the animated series, but I will always want WW with Batman

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Love for all !! Fiestaaaa!!!

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"With Flashpoint erasing the marriage, we don't have to worry about a divorce or bitterness from fans (as with Spider-Man and Mary Jane's marriage)."
 
Are you high? How is retconning the marriage of Superman and Lois out of existence different than retconning the marriage of Spider-Man and Mary Jane out of existence? Because it's a company wide relaunch/reboot? 
 
Sorry, Tony, but that made absolutely no sense. In fact, it made it sound like you really have no clue what you're talking about.

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I am all for this so that they can have have planet-moving, continuity-resetting sex a la DK2: 
 

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In my own little version of long-term continuity, Clark and Lois have a long, happy marriage but she eventually either dies of natural causes or Superman is unable to save her THAT ONE TIME.  Heartbroken, years pass and Superman and Wonder Woman grow closer and eventually fall in love and marry.  They're both virtually immortal, so any mortals either one marries will eventually die.  Wonder Woman and Superman are really the best, most reliable pairing.
 
I thought this even before Kingdom Come came out.  
 
Batman has Catwoman or Talia as potential romance options.  Superman should have a few other love interest possibilities than Lois, and Wonder Woman is the prime example.
 
As for this reboot, I'd just appreciate some overt flirting.  And couldn't Superman just stay single for the next ten or twenty years?  Heck if the reboot throws Big Barda back into the Female Furies, then imagine the dramatic potential of Superman falling in love with one of Darkseid's soldiers.  The Superman and Big Barda pairing in "Superman: The Dark Side" was very satisfying.

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I think Superman and Wonder Woman would be great ! Didn't anyone read Kingdom Come ?
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bad idea...don't  mess with a good thing.  it's a crutch to split a couple that has lasted this long in comics.  period.  why not have a comic nook couple that survives whatevers thrown at them; are we that cynical about love? 
 
as far as new relationships go,  i've always got the vibe and like the idea of WW and Bats together. 
 
i await your letters... ^^'

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 Should Superman Hook Up with Wonder Woman?

NO.
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Superman and Batman should hook up. It's going to happen eventually anyway.

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I still hate the revamp  idea...
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Wonder-Woman should hook-up with Kara... She's extremely feminist anyway. :D

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ewwww nooo that is so cliche...ms. america with mr. america...no thank you...besides superman looks like he needs a freaky girl

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i hate this idea. lois and clark are meant to be together. i hate this whole revamp idea actually.
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The DC Universe has been broken for at least 10 years. 
 
DC Superfans might not want to admit it, but the universe SHOULD be outselling Marvel in every way, but the editors are just too old and have ruined the universe by pandering to outdated characters and concepts. 
 
Superpets? Jumbled multiverses? The freaking Legion of Superheroes running around in 70's clothing in 2008 and calling each other "Lad"? The Superfriends DC Universe where every character knows everybody else in the "superhero community"? It's ridiculous and it undermines the roots of the characters themselves. It makes no sense for Batman to be Batman when he could, and indeed should, solve almost every problem by calling in Zatanna to change someone's personality or Manhunter to read someone's mind... 
 
This reboot needs to be complete  and irreversable.

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no to supes and wondy
 
and a definite NO to bats and  wondy

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They should have a red haired daughter and she should be in high school

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Its more believable for Superman to be with Wonder Woman...but this needs to be in the distance future. Wonder Woman Does Not AGE! and Superman ages slowly. 
So no matter what we say...in Comic book reality Superman out lives Lois, Batman gets old and still kicking around...so one left but Wonder Woman o wait, still tight as every! 
 
As for the reboot...ok taking a page from Marvel...BUT to take a real page from Marvel would be to let the reboot Universe survive after it comes back to normal. Leaving  2 and ONLY 2 DC Universes.  
 
I also like the fact Jim Lee is doing the Artwork for the first 50 issues. 

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Superman & Wonder Woman sounds like complete CRAP!! 
LOIS & CLARK forever!!!

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Lois: I know. It's just when you look at AC and Mera--how they work together, how alike they are--it kind of makes you wonder if we'll ever be like that. I mean, you've got to admit I'm...
Clark: ...everything I'm not. Lois, that's why it works. 
--SMALLVILLE, 10.9, "Patriot"
 
Superman has always been a figure defined by his duality. His very name implies a split between that which is "super" and that which is "human" about him. Superman is a hero who flies above the Earth and can perform acts that we mere mortals cannot; he is a demigod, a savior. His biological parents, Jor-El and Lara, knew that they were sending their son to a planet where he could be a god among men. Raised by humble farmers, Jonathan and Martha Kent, Kal-El (now Clark Kent) learned to love his adopted planet. He didn't just appreciate humanity in a detached way like a doctor would his or her patients. It became a part of him, and he wanted to be a part of it. He didn't just save people out of a sense of duty, but because he loved humanity. 
 
To retain his sense of humanity--the MAN of his SuperMAN title--as an adult, Clark needs someone who shares his commitment to truth and justice, who is similarly heroic, who challenges him, and yes, someone who is human. Lois Lane is all of these things and more. Believe it or not, just as ideas can't be defeated by armies, there are some things superpowers can't fix. The Daily Planet staff, and its prize winning reporter Lois Lane, relentlessly and courageously pursue the same goals as Superman. What endears Lois to Superman is that, in his eyes, she is the embodiment of humanity: she is temperamentally imperfect and physically vulnerable, but she seeks to improve the world as best she can using her natural talents. 
 
Despite not being a fellow cape, Lois knows what it's like to feel alone, to make mistakes, to feel a sense of duty to the world, to want to make the world a better place, and to feel disappointed when it feels that goal is elusive. One doesn't need to have superpowers to understand the heart of Superman. Are firefighters, cops, doctors, lawyers, politicians, teachers, and soldiers best suited for one another whereby cops only date cops or politicians only date politicians? I don't think so.  It seems to me that the arguments in favor of a Superman and Wonder Woman pairing not only place too much emphasis on superficial similarities and procreation potential (as if discussing mating purebred dogs instead of people), but also disregard the characters' true needs and desires. 
 
Sex, by the way, is a non-issue. Superman has sex with Lois all the time, and since this is fiction, no explanation is needed as to how it's possible. Nonetheless, proprioception is an important term to add to this discussion, because it's all that is needed for Superman to handle interacting with anything weaker than himself. Whether or not Superman and Wonder Woman can have babies is a separate issue. As it stands, they are both still two different species as Diana is not Kryptonian. She may be strong, but her ability to bear Superman's children is questionable. Even so, a pairing shouldn't only be about producing an heir unless, of course, we've returned to the Middle Ages. Adoption is still possible, but then again, who's to say that these individuals should have children? Why do they even need them? Comic books don't often care to tie down their adult characters with children they must care for, especially since they must age when most comics like to keep characters around their 20s and 30s for unrealistic amounts of time. Sex and children are, therefore, very poor justifications for a romantic match between Superman and Wonder Woman.
 
Superman and Wonder Woman need people who can relate to ALL of them. Diana and Superman may both have powers, but their upbringings are vastly different. Superman was raised to value manual labor, the patience and nurturing needed to raise crops and livestock, and to have fun going to dances or watching a baseball game. From Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman:

CLARK: Dad.  Superman doesn't work at the Daily Planet.  He doesn't go to ballgames with Perry and Jimmy.  He doesn't listen to Lois go off on some weird tangent... and secretly love it.
MARTHA: But you'll still be able to see them.
CLARK: Yeah, but not the way I want.  They treat me so differently as Superman. 

Wonder Woman would be better suited to someone who understands what it means to be a warrior. One of her longstanding love interests is Steve Trevor, a member of the armed forces. Likewise, Superman is better suited to someone who understands what it means to be a human.  If Superman needs to talk shop with someone, he can talk to Diana, to Kara, to Bruce, etc., but what about the times when he needs to escape that world or needs a different perspective? 
 
Superman/Clark needs Lois and Lois needs Superman/Clark. Lois is like an oasis, a home, for Superman where he can shed the cape, be both Superman and Clark, and he can learn how ordinary people think and feel about the work he and his fellow heroes do. Lois, for her part, needs someone to rely on and to believe in. She pushes so hard that she can get lost in her work or get hurt in the process. With Clark, she gets a reporting partner and friend, and with Superman she gets someone to believe in when times get tough. To quote Superman: The Wedding Album,  "every time one of [them] got lost reaching for the stars, the other helped keep their feet on the ground...that’s why we were so good together.”  
 
I believe DC Comics would be making a serious error if they put Superman and Wonder Woman together in any serious way and dispose of any romance with Lois. I feel doing so would ostensibly diminish the Kents, and the Daily Planet staff, along with Lois. Superman would become unrecognizable and unrelatable. Hopefully, this can be avoided. For some other essays and scans on this issue, please refer to the links below: 

Why Lois and Clark

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 Some insightful quotes I pulled from a discussion on Lois Lane I read about a year and a half ago. 

RENE

"Like many of Superman’s friends and enemies, Lois is so iconic that it’s too easy for her to become uninteresting, more of a symbol than a person. But I like Byrne’s version (that is also more or less the one that appears in Smallville, Lois & Clark, Superman the Animated Series, and anywhere outside the comics except the movies).

I like her because modern Lois came to represent an interesting, progressive idea: the city. Clark Kent is the small town boy, with values that are a bit old-fashioned. He is staid, dependable, naive (to a point). Lois Lane is the big city girl, cosmopolitan, cynical, passionate, worldly. It makes total sense that Clark would be attracted to her, because she challenges him, while Lana Lang is too much like him.

Either from Kansas or Krypton, Superman springs from the world of the past; Lois Lane is a woman for today. Superman needs her, perhaps more than she needs Superman. 
 
[...]
 
I think Wonder Woman isn’t that attractive to Superman, because she is even more otherworldy as he is, even more virginal, and in a way she is even more a creature of the past. It makes more sense that they would be friends. While Lois Lane is humanity.
 
[...]
 
As for who should Superman hook up with, I’m in the camp that thinks it’s Lois Lane, and should have always been Lois Lane. Sorry, Dean. Whenever Superman is paired with Wonder Woman (Kingdom Come, Dark Knight Strikes Again, Alan Moore’s Twilight of the Superheroes) Superman becomes a god-like dick. "

DEAN 

"I have a take on the attraction between Superman and Lois that is (as far as I know) totally my own, so take it for what it is worth.  

To me, the core of that attraction is that she is a better reporter than he is. Think about being Superman for a second. The Olympic record for weightlifting is 1,038 lbs., but you could lift more than that as a child. The record for the 100 meter dash is 9.58 seconds, but you can travel over 51 miles in that time. Going to Vegas? You don’t need your X-Ray vision to win at Blackjack, because you can just count the cards while holding down a conversation about nuclear physics. Without really trying, you are better at just about everything than anyone else in the world.

However, (as Mark Waid once pointed out in a podcast with Marv Wolfman) none of that really translates to your chosen profession. Typing really fast does not help your prose. Being able to lift a tank does not help you convince a source to go on record. It is as near to competing straight up with normal people as Superman would ever be capable of. Even then, it comes easily enough to him that you get a pretty lofty perch at a great paper very early in your career. It is just in this one context, there is someone better than you are: Lois Lane

As mild-mannered reporter Clark Kent, you reach up for the first time in your life and she rejects you.

To me , it is an inversion of the Luthor story. Luthor sees someone above him and feels hate. Superman sees someone above him and feels love."


CHRISMRICH

 "That said, Lois Lane CAN be a terribly difficult character to like.

Some years ago, in a run that incited much hate mail, Chuck Austen portrayed Lois as a driven career woman whose marriage and family were clearly a second priority. She loved her husband, but she thought of him AFTER she thought of her career. Fans accused Austen of turning Lois into a bitch, of hating her, all kinds of things. He was even accused by a few fans of hating women… yet the way he portrayed Lois, a career-driven professional whose professional live always trumps the personal, is exactly the image that the American male was supposed to embody for generations.

Being a man, I can’t claim any special ‘feminist’ cred, but it does seem to me that we all have attitudes and prejudices of which we are aware and more of which we are unaware. We respond to Betty Banner or Mary Jane in one way and to Lois Lane in another. When portrayed true to form as a tough, ruthless reporter who puts career first then Lois becomes unpalatable to those who want a classical leading lady for their hero to play off of. When portrayed as a damsel in distress making cow eyes at Superman, it becomes difficult for many to respect her in the role of strong, aggressive woman. There is a delicate balance that isn’t easy to find and many writers don’t even try… and when someone like Austen portrays the character in a way more designed to inspire the reader’s respect, she is a ‘bitch’ and he is evil for so portraying her.

It is possible that we SHOULDN’T ‘like’ Lois on a personal level when she is really written well. How many of us like the men who usually fill her shoes in the real world? Usually we resent them, we’re jealous of them, or we think they are arses. But Lois can be someone worthy of our respect in a way that Mary Jane can’t (which is not to say there aren’t other reasons one can respect her), even if one can’t help but love MJ."

BRIAN

"Lois is the one adult he’s really had to deal with consistently; all other characters have singularly definable goals, but not Lois. I’d also posit that what makes Lois so interesting as a character to explore — whether in the example you cite or in other books — is that her existence has gone so far beyond merely romantic interest that she has become a character in her own right, with a world vision that reflects the attitudes in the DCU far more than any other character has done.

In other words, Superman sits above us as a god, but it’s Lois that tells him how the real people are. And that comes over and over again: nobody is willing to stand up to Clark or Kal-El and tell them what’s really on their mind if only to make him a better person… with the exception, perhaps, of Batman, because it’s now written that Bruce is the real conscience of the trinity and Diana the compassion.

Once you put Lois into that kind of role, and mirror her against other representations of women, you find someone who is quite complex as a character that can be used at all different levels. She can be the woman fearing in a Lifetime Movie or the one to be feared like the DAs we have on TV. And, no matter what you do with her, Superman has to reflect HER because he has no influence over her; she has it on him." 

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Hmmm. I think cupid can help.

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Super Powered couple? ummm.... No.

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I still hate this idea. 
 
The thing is Superman is not about his powers. Superman doesn't want to be The Man Of Steel 24/7 in fact he likes being human and doing everyday things like a normal person would. He maybe the single most powerful man in the world but he doesn't want to be, it's why he feels he needs to go out into the world to help people for the powers he has should be put to good use for the people and the world.
 
It makes no sense to put Wonder Woman with him, Wondy well she's Wonder Woman 24/7 even without powers she's a skilled warrior, this seems not right for Superman who wants to be human and live a normal life that he proberly will never have but he keeps trying.
 
See Wonder Woman also from her point of view she DOESN'T need a man to do what she does, she is an independed woman and she should NOT play second string to any hero even Batman it's why I don't like pairing Wonder Woman with Supes or Bats because she is there equal an d also her character has always been about independance and not falling onto a man. plus Wonder Woma would just get annoyied with Superman's code and way of life as it's not her thing to want to simply be normal.
 
It's why this is stupid, sure they are the most powerful on Earth but if you have a clash of personality like that a realationship won't work. If it does then it's PIS on writers and they don't know Superman or Wonder Woman's character very well.

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Justice League the animated series showed us that Wonder Woman should be with Bruce. And Justice League #0 showed us that Wonder Woman will get married and forfeit her immortality in the future, and her husband is neither Bats nor Supes. (the reboot will be interesting if nothing else)

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Bah, give WW to GL or whoever. Clark and Lois belong together. They're "Clark and Lois".
"Clark and Diana" sounds stupid.

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Are they revamping the entire dc universe or just the superman stuff?
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I hope Lois gets to sow her wild oats, but somehow I doubt it.  She kisses somebody other than Superman or Clark and all of a sudden she is a worthless hussy.  Clark with Diana, all of a sudden that is really "hot".   Right.   
 
How about Lois and Bruce, Vicky Vale was a pale imitation of Lois Lane, now the real deal is free.  Go for it Bruce!
 
As a Wonder Woman fan I find this ridiculous.  Why is it necessary to pair her with somebody physically stronger?  Bring back Steve Trevor as her love interest, that was one of the biggest loss post crisis.   I liked the JLU  UST between Bruce and Diana.    But hopefully Bruce will be busy with Lois.  
 
Stupid idea DC.  This one is going to last a few months until they move this version down the same path as the  Clark & Lois's before them, married.   For what it's worth, even when DC said  Kingdom Come was canon future, it wasn't the end of the story.  DC One Million was, and that ended with Superman cloning Lois and  living happily ever after.

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Bad idea DC, just ask Spiderfans  Also it won't happen DC are too traditional to do something so massive.
Believe me - DC is NEVER too traditional to do a reboot on continuity   :(
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When I was five and didn't understand comics I thought Lois was Wonder Woman and already with Superman.

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@Astroknot said:
When I was five and didn't understand comics I thought Lois was Wonder Woman and already with Superman.
Ironically, I think this is understandable. Becoming a journalist might be one of the things an Amazon Princess do in the modern world. And they do look alike.
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@fenixREVOLUTION said:
I'd rather see both Superman and Wonder Woman to stay single.
Ditto.
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@HaloKing343 said:
Are they revamping the entire dc universe or just the superman stuff?
Just the origins, I think. Other upcoming titles will still continue.
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@HaloKing343 said:
Are they revamping the entire dc universe or just the superman stuff?

 Well..Barbara Gordon is Batgirl again.
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I'd would far rather have Batman and Diana get together.

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because of too many hints of them in DCAU?
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I really dislike the Supes/WW pairing, myself.

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YES! they most definetly shoyld.
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I find it interesting that when people talk about Superman having a significant other that many idea's pop to mind and the possibilities of the match ups go into many a fan fiction but when Wonder Woman becomes the topic under the same idea its always the same old thing like "She an independent Amazonian woman" or "She doesn't need a man ever" and it makes you think that what people want the most is for WW to have many partners but no commitments in her life......... 
 
Hmmmmm that's funny because if or when a male superhero does such a thing "cough".."Batman".. for example he's considered a man whore plain and simple who exemplifies mans need for non commitment and so on.
 
We still seem to be nowhere near equality yet. lol

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I think it's insulting and disrespectful to end a 20+ year committed relationship (because yes, they were engaged in before the Death of Superman Arc and in love before that)---a relationship that has meant something to a lot of people---in such a potentially crass way and then automatically talk about Superman hooking up with another woman. There's no way around it. There is an element of misogyny to that. Because it sends the message...yet again....that men need to "sow their wild oats" and "spread it around." I can't excuse that. That's disrespectful to all of the fans who cared deeply about Lois and Clark together.


I think it's a legitimate and rational complaint that Lois and Clark have been off-page from each other all year and all last year. Now, perhaps that was on purpose now. Perhaps they didn't want to take the time to invest in the relationship if they knew they were doing a reboot. But frankly...I think that's extremely disrespectful to the characters and the fans. Their relationship deserved page time this year if it was going to be rebooted. The relationship was sacred to CLARK for the last 25 years. The two characters went through hell and back together and loved each other desperately. Their love and their relationship deserved better than that. 
 
Anyone who thinks that Clark Kent, boy-scout farmboy, needs to "sow his wild oats" doesn't know or understand who Clark Kent is.   I don't know what character you've been reading but that isn't Clark. It would be completely out of character for him to feel as though he had to sleep around.

And again...this comes back to that misogynistic perspective that still resides in our culture that men need to "sow their wild oats" and prove their masculinity by sleeping with tons of women while women get slut shamed if they ever do the same.  And that's the irony in all of this because I will bet you money if it was EVER implied that Lois slept with someone else in this whole fiasco people would be calling her a whore.  I have watched it happen over and over again in various Superman properties any time Lois Lane even looks at another man.   But if Clark does it?  Oh...its just good fun.

The entire concept of a 25 year committed relationship ending so the man can "sow his wild coats" is misogyny. There is no way around it. Plain and simple it's a very disturbing and pathetic social commentary on the way our culture still handles men, sex and marriage.

If they wanted to make Clark younger again and therefore single....that actually makes narrative sense. If Superman is going to be like 25 years old then logically he would be single.

But yes, ending a 25 year committed relationship and then arguing that all the fans who are upset about it should just let Clark "sow his wild oats" because he'll come back to Lois later is frankly...crass and sexist. 

The reboot itself isn't a problem per se. The reboot itself could potentially, if handled correctly, be wonderful for the future of DC. The idea of making the characters younger is not, in itself, a bad one. But conversations like that? That's problematic.  
 
A relationship between Superman and Wonder Woman looks good on paper.  But it doesn't take into account who these people are at their CORE.  It's superficial and often rooted in the physical and in misogyny.   Because Clark Kent didn't grow up "Kal" and he can't possibly be Superman all the time.  He grew up a humble boy on a farm who loved To Kill a MockingBird and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.  He loves the Daily Planet and the smell of grass in Kansas and soft pretzels.  He's way, way more complex than people make him out to be.   He's rooted deeply in his love for humanity and it's through Lois that this shines the brightest.  Through Lois Lane, we see Superman in ways that we never see him with anyone else.  We see his soul.
 
And for the record...I love Diana.  I think she's a fabulous character and sadly, I think she has had her own share if mistreatment in her own books.  Half of the time I don't think DC knows what to do with her and she deserves better than that.   I love the trinity and I love the trinity friendships.  I think Clark and Diana's friendship was a BOLD and beautiful thing.  It defied cliche and proved once and for all that men and women could respect each other as dear friends and partners in way that wasn't sexual but was rooted in a different but equally wonderful kind of love.   
 
Whereas, what Clark shared with Lois was the kind of love that hits you once in a lifetime---and those people who have found it in their own lives know exactly what I'm talking about.   It's the kind of love where you literally can't stay from the person and you know that no matter what happens for the rest of your life---they will be "the one."   It's not rooted in perfection.  It's not logical.  It's not about how hard you can screw someone or how physically strong the person is.  It's not about powers.  It's where you know you'll love them for the rest of your life through good and bad, through difficulties and through happiness.  And when you die...you'll die with their name on your lips.  (Which was ironically, what Diana told Lois about Clark after the 1000 years they spent together---that if he would have died there it would have been with her name on his lips.  And you know what? I defy any happily married man to say that they wouldn't be the exact same freaking way with their wife.)  That was Lois and Clark.  It was and is a relationship that meant a great deal to a lot of people and it was arguably the most iconic and beloved relationship in the entire comics genre.   And it deserved better than THIS.
 
 
 
 


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Why are they "erasing the marriage" between Superman & Lois Lane????
That's wat I'll like to know...

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*Yawn*
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what i would want to know is the relationship between super boy and lois does he see her motherly figure, does she treat him like a son ???