Off My Mind: Chloe Sullivan in Superman Comics

I'm all for adding her to the comics but the way that they're doing it rubs me wrong. 

I'm split on this, while I love her character on the TV show, I have to wonder about how they are adding her to the comics, surely they could have come up with a better way to add her in

" it's cool she's like x-23 "

It's too late for Chloe.They should have put her in the books years ago.Most characters in Superman books with no powers just end up being work for him.Try something else DC.

The whole thing is just confusing. What's the point anyway, if she is injected in Superman comics it means most of the characters history will have to change after years of great writing. I don't even like her that much.

" cant we just retcon jimmy olsen out of existence instead. "

I'm okay with Chloe being in the comics and a part of Jimmy's history instead of Clark's. 

Well, what was the point of bringing Harley Quinn into the books, for that matter? She wasn't a part of Batman's mythos, either, but nobody complained. 
 
Because all of us geeks watched the animated series but we generally don't watch Smallville. 
 
But a lot of people do, and they generally like the character for the same reasons we liked Harley. I don't see how the logic is different beyond "I personally don't really care for Smallville". Chloe's character always seemed like the only thing that was even close to watchable on the show, anyway, and it's not like Superman is the most popular book these days.

" Well, what was the point of bringing Harley Quinn into the books, for that matter? She wasn't a part of Batman's mythos, either, but nobody complained.  Because all of us geeks watched the animated series but we generally don't watch Smallville.  But a lot of people do, and they generally like the character for the same reasons we liked Harley. I don't see how the logic is different beyond "I personally don't really care for Smallville". Chloe's character always seemed like the only thing that was even close to watchable on the show, anyway, and it's not like Superman is the most popular book these days. "

" @noelveiga said:

" Well, what was the point of bringing Harley Quinn into the books, for that matter? She wasn't a part of Batman's mythos, either, but nobody complained.  Because all of us geeks watched the animated series but we generally don't watch Smallville.  But a lot of people do, and they generally like the character for the same reasons we liked Harley. I don't see how the logic is different beyond "I personally don't really care for Smallville". Chloe's character always seemed like the only thing that was even close to watchable on the show, anyway, and it's not like Superman is the most popular book these days. "

Harley is a better character than Chloe and I don't think they made any retcons to bring her in.They just did it. Harley, Joker's right hand, not a potential damsel in distress.You think people read Superman for his "interesting relationships" with humans? "

Plus she didn't go out with the Jimmy Olsen from the comicbook, since in the series the one she goes out with dies and you see his younger brother also known as Jimmy, so get the gist they wanted the young kid to be the Jimmy from the comics.
 
So adding Chloe to the Jimmy in the comics makes no sense really.

" Plus she didn't go out with the Jimmy Olsen from the comicbook, since in the series the one she goes out with dies and you see his younger brother also known as Jimmy, so get the gist they wanted the young kid to be the Jimmy from the comics.  So adding Chloe to the Jimmy in the comics makes no sense really. "

" @noelveiga said:

" Well, what was the point of bringing Harley Quinn into the books, for that matter? She wasn't a part of Batman's mythos, either, but nobody complained.  Because all of us geeks watched the animated series but we generally don't watch Smallville.  But a lot of people do, and they generally like the character for the same reasons we liked Harley. I don't see how the logic is different beyond "I personally don't really care for Smallville". Chloe's character always seemed like the only thing that was even close to watchable on the show, anyway, and it's not like Superman is the most popular book these days. "

Harley is a better character than Chloe and I don't think they made any retcons to bring her in.They just did it. Harley, Joker's right hand, not a potential damsel in distress.You think people read Superman for his "interesting relationships" with humans? "

Hate the idea. Hate her as well. What is the point I say. If she is injected into the Superman comics won't that mean most of the characters histories will have to be changed after years of good writing. All for one person. Really

" Hate the idea. Hate her as well. What is the point I say. If she is injected into the Superman comics won't that mean most of the characters histories will have to be changed after years of good writing. All for one person. Really "

I can't understand why some people won't give her a chance! Ok, Jimmys backgroundstory is changed a little bit but there are ALWAYS new characters in comicbooks. I guess the most persons have a problem with her because the original Chloe is from the series "Smallville" and many people don't like the series. 
 
Years after Lois, Lucy was introduced to the comics and I guess she was never mentioned before. Chloe was never mentioned before, too - but she was introduced now. What's the problem with it? 
 
I really like the Smallville Chloe, I really like the DCU Chloe and I guess there will be some awesome stories with her. But give her a chance! She deserve a chance like every other character in the comics.

" I can't understand why some people won't give her a chance! Ok, Jimmys backgroundstory is changed a little bit but there are ALWAYS new characters in comicbooks. I guess the most persons have a problem with her because the original Chloe is from the series "Smallville" and the mandy people don't like the series.   Years after Lois, Lucy was introduced to the comics and I guess she was never mentioned before. Chloe was never mentioned before, too - but she was introduced now. What's the problem with it?   I really like the Smallville Chloe, I really like the DCU Chloe and I guess there will be some awesome stories with her. But give her a chance! She deserve a chance like every other character in the comics. "

But we don't know much about her yet. We know: she was Jimmys girlfriend (like in the series), she had computerskills (like in the series) and she worked for an online-newspaper (nearly like the series). So ... that's all we know about her. 
 
Let us see and wait what DCU-Chloes Backgroundstory is

I'd like to see a variation on her character, that could be a way to put her in the comics, but without changing the multiple histories of superman. Or hell, even make her a character in Superboy! just a variation based on Chloe, not Chloe herself. 

This is basically completely unnecessary, but I get why DC is doing it. First of all it probably will attract some new readers. Second of all it already worked amazingly well with Harley Quinn. Harley was made up by Bruce Timm and team for Batman: The Animated Series, and she was so popular that they integrated her into Batman continuity. But Chloe is no Harley, so we'll have to see how this works

Having Chloe as a DC character would be awesome because then the Superman/Chloe relationship would be similar to that of Batman/Oracle.

" @noelveiga: You have a point, maybe I am nerdraging. But they seem to be taking this character, probably my favorite character from Smallville with the possible exception of Erica Durance's Lois Lane and erasing everything that she is, or at least re-writing. They're not doing the character justice and they're using lazy retcons to try and fit her in with an already-established back story. So yes, I am angry and disappointed and am beginning to wish that they had just left her out of the comics if this is what they're going to do with her.  "

I dont see the harm in it considering she is a well liked character from the Tv show but I do think they should change her a bit for the Comic Book.

" @The Dark Huntress said:

" @noelveiga: You have a point, maybe I am nerdraging. But they seem to be taking this character, probably my favorite character from Smallville with the possible exception of Erica Durance's Lois Lane and erasing everything that she is, or at least re-writing. They're not doing the character justice and they're using lazy retcons to try and fit her in with an already-established back story. So yes, I am angry and disappointed and am beginning to wish that they had just left her out of the comics if this is what they're going to do with her.  "

That's a different discussion, and I can get behind that. If the complaint isn't about her being in the comics at all but rather how they execute on her character in the comics, then yeah, if the character in the comics is not good, then it is not good, regardless of where it originates. I just object to rejecting the inclusion on principle, and even then, only if you don't object to Harley Quinn as well. "

i didn't see anything wrong with Chloe's recent appearance.  Least of all because the Jimmy Olsen backups have been universally fantastic.

I really like Chloe, i think that they could somehow find a way to fit her into the Superman Comics better than just an ex-girlfriend.

LOVELOVELOVE Chloe!!!

" I like her character, but I don't think she belongs in the mainstream Superman comics. "

  Lets be honest -- she was only in the SmallVille television series so that the writers could have a bigger cast. And with a bigger cast, there were more characters to play with. And with more characters to play with, the funner and clever the series could get. (And truthfully, Clark doesn't have a whole lotta friends -- so filling in the void wasn't such a bad thing.)
 
 As the series went on, Chloe grew into a bigger a character. And then more time passed, and she became an even BIGGER character. But I don't think she was ever suppose to as recurring as she is. I believe she was just there, to help build a set of characters you GREW to care about. And why can't she be that in the comics? 
  
 I think Chloe's a good character and getting her a spot on the Daily Planet (in the Superman comics, or whatever.) wouldn't hurt a thing. It's not like she needs to become an A-list character like she did on SmallVille. I say, yes, to proposal Chloe.

" @Deranged Midget said:

" I like her character, but I don't think she belongs in the mainstream Superman comics. "

Agree, folk. She's one of my favorite characters on things about the show. But comics should learn to more or less leave the comics the comics and their Movies/TV shows as separate entities.  "

I don't think retcons are a problem by now in the DC universe. Don't they have a massive one of those every couple of years by now?   Anyway, I still don't see the difference there. Like I said, your "Harley is a better character than Chloe" is pretty much a matter of taste. I happen to agree, but the situation, both in the business and the narrative side of the thing is very close. And you're forcing the issue about her being a damsel in distress. I mean, in Superman? Really? Superman INVENTED the damsel in distress and now the spunky, independent badass Lois Lane is the perception everybody has of her, somehow. Chloe was clearly created to tap into that next to the softer Lana character in the show. Likewise with the retcon argument. Superman is the king of retcon. He's had so many variations on his childhood I can barely keep track of how many surviving family members or varieties of kryptonite he has on each continuity and his powers fluctuate like crazy every time somebody new takes over the character.  I'm not saying you have to suddenly love the character or anything, but pretending it's some sort of insult to the legacy of Superman or that the move "doesn't belong" is just a shameful example of nerdrage, plain and simple. "

" @JonesDeini said:

" @Deranged Midget said:

" I like her character, but I don't think she belongs in the mainstream Superman comics. "

Agree, folk. She's one of my favorite characters on things about the show. But comics should learn to more or less leave the comics the comics and their Movies/TV shows as separate entities.  "

Isn't that a little bit closed-minded (I don't know if that's the right word 'cause english isn't my native languague) ? I mean, if they really do something like this, great characters like Harley Quinn weren't in the comics. Livewire was also a TV character at first.  I don't know why some people have a problem with Chloe. Yeah she had a big backgroundstory but the DCU is another universe than Smallville. So, Chloes story can be changed. Don't look at her like the character from Smallville, lookt at her like a whole new character. "

DC blew it in more ways than one, you just took a great character and gave her a supporting role in Jimmy Olsen. If you really wanted to put her in mainstream DC this is how you do it:
 
Smallville the show should have implemented a crisis of infinite earths scenario (also brought in Barry Allen as a crime scene tech transferred in from central city and Terry Mcguiness sent from the future by Bruce to help a young Clark), but back to my scenario. In the conclusion have Chloe save everyone and disappear in the time stream, and they in a future issue of superman have a vortex open up above metropolis and when superman goes to investigate and Chloe falls out into superman's arms and she looks at him and says.........Clark and passes out. Imagine a Smallville Chloe in the regular DC universe, imagine how Batman would make her life a living hell because of what she knows, or her reaction with Lois, how about her reaction of seeing Green Arrow or even worse her relationship with Birds of Pray, especially with Oracle and Black Canary.

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Chloe is boring. We need this badass .... 

   "

I take Chloe over Jimmy any time! Jimmy has NEVER appealed to me.

" DC blew it in more ways than one, you just took a great character and gave her a supporting role in Jimmy Olsen. If you really wanted to put her in mainstream DC this is how you do it:  Smallville the show should have implemented a crisis of infinite earths scenario (also brought in Barry Allen as a crime scene tech transferred in from central city and Terry Mcguiness sent from the future by Bruce to help a young Clark), but back to my scenario. In the conclusion have Chloe save everyone and disappear in the time stream, and they in a future issue of superman have a vortex open up above metropolis and when superman goes to investigate and Chloe falls out into superman's arms and she looks at him and says.........Clark and passes out. Imagine a Smallville Chloe in the regular DC universe, imagine how Batman would make her life a living hell because of what she knows, or her reaction with Lois, how about her reaction of seeing Green Arrow or even worse her relationship with Birds of Pray, especially with Oracle and Black Canary. "

I love Chloe. I am glad she made it into the DC Universe, but what I want to know is if Chloe's inclusion in the Superman comics (or rather Jimmy Olsen comics) was a gimmick or if there is a bigger plan for the character. 
I really do hope there's a plan for her because her interpretation in the comics is completely different from what is shown in the series.

probably my favorite character from Smallville with the possible exception of Erica Durance's Lois Lane and

" @comicfetish said:

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Chloe is boring. We need this badass .... 

   "

The second Character I love on this show. And yeah, if anybody from Smallville needs a spot in the DCU it's THIS GUY! "

I agree with previous comments that point out how X-23, Harley Quinn, Renee Montoya, and many other characters start out in a separate medium from the comics then transition over.  Anything to add more depth and background it worthwhile to me, so long as it is done tastefully.

I have no problems with her appearing in comics as long as it's done tastefully.
 
My only question is where does the credit rightly go for her "First Appearance?"  Comicvine credits the comic ( Smallville: The Comic #1) but doesn't it really belong to the show?  Or does that not count because it's a different medium?  And while were at it how many licks does it take to really get to the center of a lollipop?