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Off My Mind: Can the Dark Avengers be Turned into Heroes?

They were gathered by a madman and now are under the control of the Avengers.

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The idea of the Dark Avengers came from the twisted mind of Norman Osborn. In his scheme to rule the world, he managed to win the favor of the American public by being the one that pulled the trigger on the Skrull Queen during their Secret Invasion. He managed to rise in position and came up with the plan to form his own team of Avengers.

In forming his Avengers, he chose deadly and psychotic villains to mirror the heroes of the actual Avengers. They posed in public as a group of heroes but would perform whatever dark deeds Osborn wished. Or at least they did when they actually followed his orders and weren't off killing or maiming on their own.

After Osborn's defeat, incarceration and escape, he decided to repeat what he had done before, even if the plan didn't work the first time. Gathering new allies, Osborn created yet another team of Dark Avengers. This time, he chose the villains a little more carefully. Or so he thought. With Osborn's defeat once again, the Dark Avengers will soon be under the control of Luke Cage as the Thunderbolts appear to be trapped in the past. Is it possible for this team of Dark Avengers to actually become heroes?

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The idea of the Dark Avengers is identical to what Baron Zemo planned with the Thunderbolts. A group of villains wore new costumes and pretended to be heroes. With the original Thunderbolts, they slowly warmed up to the idea of actually being heroes. They were on their way to redeeming their past sins and when Hawkeye took over leadership, he helped guide them along.

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Today the Thunderbolts are based in Thunderbolts Mountain, which also serves as a prison for evil superhumans. Those that pass physical and psychological tests are sometimes sent on dangerous missions under Luke Cage's leadership. If a situation is going to be deadly, the idea is the team sent to deal with it would be disposable if necessary. Any members that died during a mission would just be collateral damage. Despite this notion, taking a group of deadly killers, even if they are under a tight leash, could be disastrous.

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There's the notion that everyone deserves a second chance. Should that apply to cold-hearted and deadly killers? From the recent story arc in the pages of AVENGERS and NEW AVENGERS, we saw that Skaar was actually a mole for the heroes. He may have anger issues with this father, Hulk, but he's not really an evil person. It's almost a shame that he has to be lumped with the other "Dark" Avengers but then again, he could be helpful to Luke Cage in helping to keep them in line.

What about the others?

Ragnorok

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Ragnarok will be another member of the team. He may just be a programmed cyborg with advanced technology and Asgardian DNA mixed together but there's the possibility that he could have his operating system reworked and rebooted to prevent any deadly accidents from happening (as with Bill Foster). He was left in pretty bad shape against the Avengers and would need some retooling before seeing any action. It would be a little creepy fighting alongside a cold killing machine but with all the brilliant minds in the Marvel Universe, you would think it'd be possible to come up with a program that would prevent it from killing. It'd be interesting to see if Thor minds Ragnorok being active.

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Maybe some of the good Barton DNA is in Barney. Maybe he's just angry his name is Barney Barton. If Hawkeye can be one of the most heroic Avengers, perhaps there's hope for his brother. He had his reasons for being angry. He could have tried to get over them rather than go along with Osborn's plan. Regardless, he could be controlled to some extent in the field. If the Dark Avengers will continue the process used in the Thunderbolts, with nannites in their bodies, that could prevent him from doing anything "bad." He's gone down a dark road but he isn't too far gone. There is still a decent chance at redemption for Barney.

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June Covington is a killer, plain and simple. She was locked up in the secret prison that Osborn was sent to. That means, it was felt she was so dangerous, she was locked up and erased from the records. It was felt she had no place in society and there was no way she could be rehabilitated. Yet, now she will continue to be part of the Dark Avengers. Besides being a former killer and having a neurotoxin in her blood that can kill a person in ten seconds, she was also Osborn's girlfriend. She obviously won't be happy that Osborn has been defeated and she is now forced to work for his enemies. She could be the biggest loose cannon they have on the team.

Dark Spider-Man

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The Decapitator is another deadly killer from the same super secret prison for crazy killers that Covington and Osborn were at. With a name like Decapitator, you can't imagine he'll play nicely with others or should even be allowed out in public. He's supposed to be a chimera god and was willing to take a pill that gave him extra arms (for a total of six). He's a close contender next to Covington as being the worst choice for a team member.

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It's hard to decide who's more insane, the members of the Dark Avengers, the government for thinking they can use them as a team or Luke Cage for accepting the job of trying to lead this team. The idea of having a team where the members are dispensable is fitting for the darker objectives of the government. You can only imagine what horrible situations there are to deal with in the Marvel Universe. If there is a team that can be sent out to try to deal with it, with no concern over loss of life, it could help to clean things up.

We have seen many past members of the Thunderbolts begin to embrace the idea of actually being a hero but that doesn't seem possible with this lot. The members of the Thunderbolts were mainly criminals or super villains. They weren't necessarily insane and deadly killers. This team of Dark Avengers brings things to a whole new level. If it's even possible to control them for whatever purpose is needed, it's only going to be a matter of time until things explode. This is just a bad idea that's getting worse. Luke Cage, even with Skaar's help, is going to have his hands full. Trying to keep a leash on so many crazed killers could take away the focus he needs out on missions. I just have a bad feeling about this.

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Interesting

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Yeah Covington and Decapitator are ones I would definitely have to watch out for the most on the team should they have to be on at all. The ones that could be potential baddies I see in Ragnarok, who can easily have circuits rewired, and Barney who just is unpredictable. No, its best to have Skaar as one who can keep them in line, for not only with the power of gamma rays but the Oldpower can he do serious damage to the others. It will be interesting to see how this works out

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@Illuminatus said:

Of course Thor would mind if Ragnarok was active. Have any of you read a comic with Thor and Ragnarok? Thor detests the idea of a pseudo-clone of himself that honestly believes it is Thor going around and performing acts of "heroism".

What you said. Thor beat the crap out of Tony for his part in creating Ragnarok and if he'll throw down on Tony, he'll throw down on just about everyone else with the exception of Steve.

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Out of all of them, I only see Barney actually seeing the light...but I'd like it more if he dropped the whole archer shtick. One bow-slinging Barton is enough.

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I was really interested with the first Dark Avengers team, but I feel like doing this thing again is going back to the well one too many times.

I suppose only time will tell, but I'm getting a bit tired of villain and anti-hero teams.

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?? is this a comic i can read now? what dark avengers actually looks pretty sick! especially that hulk (his son?). are the story lines any good?

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Together as a team no way. As one or two solo good guys, maybe.

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Ragnarok is going to be on the team? Just wait until Hercules hears about this...

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@THEBlaqueBasterd said:

........................... LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME.. ahem.. pardon the outburst &excuse me while i go find a dead horse to start beating - __ -

Only bones are left, enjoy stomping on the bones...if Marvel hasn't picked them clean yet.

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robo thor skaar and clints brother once he gets over himself, would be great heroes, and I have a feeling theyll take a turn most especially with hawkeyes bro, and make the sibling rivalry thing less about killing each other

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well, robo thor, hes all programming, so I can see him being good as easily as flipping a switch from bad to good would be for tony stark, Pym, or mr.fantastic.

I think clints brother just has a chip on his shoulder, and wants to just prove that he's as good as his mega famous brother with the hot girlfriend and friends like captain america and iron man. Once he decides to out do him career wise, than he'll be a real competition for his brother. but from a writers p.o.v., he makes a pretty good antagonist for hawkeye, but could be utilized in ways besides getting his butt kicked by Hawkeye.

Skaar, well its pretty obvious, being he was already and undercover avenger.

the others I just don;t think can be trusted, rotten to the core types.

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For the question of whose crazier: the team, the gov't or Luke cage? I kinda have to pick on Luke Cage, yeah your bad ass dude but what makes you so sure you have any control over these 'monsters' they are known for being bad. Just because you changed your ways doesn't mean you can go changing others with your inspiring story. Maybe I'm being harsh. I haven't read the book so I'm assuming he's taken (or at least the gov't) precautions against a possible coup by the team. But this just screams "BAD IDEA" Not creatively of course. I think a team like this is a creative idea and they aren't the same as the previous one. But I believe Norman is behind it and why anyone would trust him in anyway is beyond me.

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@CaioTrubat said:

No. I was sick and tired of them like everything in Dark Reign.

I agree. How dumb must the general public in the Marvel Universe be if they can be swindled not once, but twice by that creepy Tommy Lee Jones version of Norman Osborn* and his fake Avengers, whom they always inexplicably believe are the real Avengers? "Hey, this Spider-Man has that black costume costume again and six arms! He must be the same guy!" Really?

Honestly, I'd like to see an issue of What If...? where every story was "What if... <insert character name here> killed the Skrull Queen?" What would have happened if Wolverine killed the Skrull Queen? Then he would get put in charge of S.H.I.E.L.D. Maybe then humans would finally trust mutants because, hey, if the public can completely trust a criminally-insane convicted felon, why not a hairy mutant?

*By the way, thanks, Mike Deodato, Jr., for ruining my views and memories of both Gwen Stacy and Tommy Lee Jones. I'll never be able to watch and enjoy Men In Black EVER AGAIN.

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Can the various Avengers teams get unique names?

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Well you have a psychotic human eating spider monster running around with a crazy clone of Thor.... 
 
 
 

THINK ABOUT IT.

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Barney I can see actually taking a liking to this. He was FBI before he went bad, and always wanted to work with his brother. I can see Trickshot being very valuable, in both skill and tactics. Also didn't know Dark Scarlet Witch was staying on, just Skaar, Ragnarok, and "Spidey" But I see these guys being mixed with the rest of the other tema when they return.

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I think if the Dark Avengers were to be heroes...I'd think they'd be one of those teams that don't mind crossing the line, kinda like and from what I've heard, X-Force. Now I haven't read many Marvel and I'm barely beginning this year (include dramatic music along with gasping from people's response lol) but yeah, I believe they'd be heroes like The Punisher, that don't feel any different from drawing blood in their fights

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I might be in the minority, but I personally loved Dark Reign. I'm a big Green Goblin fan, so any chance for crazy ass Norman to be front and center has me interested. I generally like villains better, so that could be it too.

We already have the Thunderbolts, I don't really want another villains-turned-heroes team.

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I don't think all of the characters in the book would ever become heros, and I do hope this is just a short change from the Thunderbolt title as that was easily my favorite book and i'd hate to see it go the way of renamed renaming.

Skaar does seem a little strange for the group and a thor clone? I think they could have dug deeper and got some really cool characters out of the vault.

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LOL, I agree with Illuminatus !!! This is indeed another crap Benids story that does not need to be told. This guy is KILLING all interest with The Avengers for me.

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this reminds me of the Suicide Squad

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fodiggon March 27, 2012 at 7:46 a.m.Can the various Avengers teams get unique names? OK, Team That Shows The Company Has NO Clue How to Market Anymore (New Avengers), Team That Will Have It's Title Ended Withinn A Year (Dark Avengers), Team That USED to Be Great, Now Blows (Avengers) How is that,lol?

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@GrandSymbiote94: well said

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I will definitely be reading the first few issues as the Parker/Walker duo has been awesome on Thunderbolts since Siege. Ghost has become one of my absolute favorite characters, and the time travel stories were just great with Walker re-designing their 'period' costumes as they went (my personal favorite being Moonstone's golden age costume). I sincerely hope the Thunderbolts as they have been and are (Songbird, Ghost, etc.) are not simply going to disappear. If that is the case then I feel like one of the best books out there is ending soon.

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I'm just commenting to get a quest...

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What ever happened to Juggernaut

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I swear, to me it just seems like Luke Cage is a part of

Marvel’s very own affirmative action. That guy being a leader of the avengers

or Thunderbolts has never felt right to me. Being the warden of some super

prison, that seems like a good fit; but leading a team over someone like Ms

Marvel? Come on!

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Geez... Marvel writing has been horrendous lately..

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How about we try keeping badguys, BADGUYS; you know for a change of pace.

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Of course not you idiot, it's the DARK Avengers. In the freaking name.

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Trickshot's name in actuality is Charles Bernard Barton. Despite the fact that he abbreviated his middle name and refers to himself that way, his page needs to be changed to that name

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I hope they all become anti heroes. There are a ton of anti heroes in comics but pretty much no teams of anti heroes. Sense they have no Black Widow I really hope they find and rescue Yelena Belova from that pod that Osborn was storing her in before the new writer took over and forgot about that plot -_-

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