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Off My Mind: Batman Zero Year and the Red Hood Gang Leader

Is he supposed to be who we think he is?

Batman: Zero Year is underway and we're discovering what happened when Bruce Wayne returned to Gotham City after spending years away, training to become the skilled fighter/detective we know today. As we witness the birth of the legend that will become Batman, Gotham is being terrorized by the Red Hood Gang.

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The Red Hood Gang has existed, to some extent, in previous comics. With more of a focus on the gang, their activity and the mysterious leader, we can't help but wonder about his identity and if he's supposed to be who we think he is?

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There may be some minor spoilers below but only if you haven't been reading Zero Year for some reason.

Originally, it was the Joker who was the leader of the Red Hood Gang. Wearing a giant pill-shaped helmet and a cape, in his final robbery at the Ace Chemical Plant, the leader fell into a vat of chemicals which resulted in the birth of the Joker.

In Alan Moore's THE KILLING JOKE, we saw the man who would become the Joker was not quite the cruel and calculating man the Joker is today. Getting involved with the gang, this man was told they all took turns being the "leader" and wearing the costume to throw off the authorities should they get caught. Basically, he was a patsy.

Then his encounter with Batman and the GCPD resulted in him falling in the chemicals once again. Of course the flashback/memories of the man Joker used to be could have been false according to Joker as his memory sometimes gets muddled.

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In Zero Year, the leader is just that, he is the absolute man in charge. Based on history, it seems we're supposed to assume he will become Joker. He just doesn't quite feel like he could be the same man.

Granted, we're talking the New 52. Things can change. As much as THE KILLING JOKE is praised, the idea of Joker previously being a nebbish…loser just felt wrong. Of course it could be the chemicals that twisted his mind and transformed him into the Joker. But that goes into the questioning of what is Joker's motivation and why. That's a completely other topic. Whether or not it was purely the chemicals that caused Joker to be as cruel as he is seems too easy.

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That being said, perhaps there is something to the idea of Joker being the guy in control that we've been seeing. If that was the case, it leads to some other implications. The leader of the gang has mentioned recalling when Bruce's parents were killed. How much older than Bruce would he be? Has anyone ever really thought about the possible age difference between Batman and Joker? Was Joker always a resident in Gotham? Even with white skin, wouldn't there be someone that would recognize his facial features?

There's also the fact that the gang itself exists. Joker may have some henchmen from time to time but he rarely keeps so many around. The leader told Bruce he formed the gang because people were afraid of random violence like the death of Thomas and Martha Wayne.

"…at the end of the day, what people are afraid of is the nothing of it, Bruce. The randomness. The empty center. Stare into it and try to find meaning, you'll go mad. All you can do is fear, and survive."

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Joker's never been one to have an actual plan or motivation for his actions to this extent. He doesn't normally give speeches quite like this, even though he did have quite a bit to say in THE KILLING JOKE. Would he have the initiative to form a gang in order to terrorize the citizens of Gotham? And for what reason? The leader has been pretty organized and structured, something Joker isn't exactly known for. Joker is more about the quick and big results. He wouldn't work with someone like Philip Kane just to get his hands on some Wayne Enterprises tech.

Another thing to note is when Bruce had an encounter with him in the blimp and was almost unmasked himself, he did manage to get a DNA sample of the leader.

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We would imagine Batman's managed to get a sample from the Joker during their fights over the years. Even if there wasn't any records to who the DNA belonged to, he would be able to match the DNA of the Red Hood Gang Leader to Joker's.

Is Joker the leader of the Red Hood Gang? History suggests we should believe this is the case. Scott Snyder has earned our trust when it comes to Batman and the other characters. This question just has us guessing. We're used to expecting the unexpected, especially with some of the liberties creators have been allowed in the New 52. Snyder seems more rooted with tradition in regards to the characters. Something just feels a little off. Could it just be a matter of the inevitable chemical bath that changes the Red Hood Gang Leader's personality and M.O.?

There's still plenty more left to Zero Year. We shouldn't try to predict what Snyder will throw at us but something smells a little fishy with the leader.

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@wishiwassuperman: you seem pretty hung up on killing joke. I think it s a great story but completely ok with changing it. What really bugs me with zero year is precisely how he desperately classic he stayed. He should have ignored the rh stuff altogether. I think he s aware of how classic his story ultimately is hence this epilogue with alternate scenarios (some of them barely make sense) : the way it's presented it s a cop out.

"I know my story isn't really mind boggling so let's make s... Up and create a fake mystery , let's pretend that it a lot deeper than what it actually is." That s weak storytelling

Snyder has been guilty of weak storytelling a lot lately in various forms : dotf was almost an insult to our intelligence in how it tried ver hard to LOOK deep and edgy but had nothing to backup this claim

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@ghinzdra: Agree to disagree I guess. The thing is, Zero Year is NOT a Joker origin story - it's a Batman origin story first. Is the Red Hood the Joker? Based on Death of the Family I'd say yes he is supposed to be - but I personally have no problem with this. I don't see why the Joker wouldn't be originally a cold and calculating, somewhat mastermind criminal - in fact that's exactly what he should be to me. For me it makes no sense to have him as someone who is weak and feeble and basically has no history as a criminal even to link him to becoming the Joker. Zero Year pays more homage to the original Red Hood/Joker origin - Killing Joke was a re-imagining itself and still had a dodgy ending with the " Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another..." business. Is it a good story? Sure, but it's not a definitive origin story (IMO) and I personally don't see why its heralded as such, considering the cop out ending which means the entire thing is not worth squat as a history for the character. It works perfectly for the Joker, and there's easily more to it that may be revealed later. Have you listened to example the Fatman on Batman podcast with Snyder and Capullo? If not, check it out as you might find it changes some of your ideas and perspectives.

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@wishiwassuperman:

He set himself up for failure. As for the rh leader, Yes it s a no win situation but only because he choosed to sell the rh leader so strongly as the joker before. He either follow the most famous joker origin very closely (not original) or he betrays the story he strongly setup (because the organic conclusion to his setup can only be for the rh leader to be the joker. If he goes against with a weird ass twist it will be like the debacle xorn magneto debacle in x man all over again. Xorn had to be magneto and marvel prefered to screw morrison story)

Just one exemple - He could have chosen to setup the rh leader a brilliant and somehow anarchic gangster - Reminding us the joker . The leader would have a young small fry clearly identified as a distinct character that admires him and copy him, a teenager whose origins are unclear but clearly without the advantage of bruce, this young guy see through his bs and realize je's another mayerialistic gamgster. Then the young batman too reckless at this point and bent on catching the leader, make a mistake that jokerize the small fry and isn't even aware of this mistake and of the very existence of the guy. Now this joker is a complete fabrication - part ersatz of a powerful faker , part nothing to lose- lost in this world guy, part mistake of batman. It makes him pathetic and Dangerous at the same time. that's just one exemple. But the point is there were plenty of fresh way to introduce the joker. There even wasn't a need to reuse the rh Snyder just rehashed with half asses answers.

As for the end of the batgod, it took place well before him. Same thing here : plenty of fresh way to question the character - for exemple with all the city stuff those last year - I d like a writer to explore how batman is clearly a patriarch idea - how batman is exactly the kind of thing you would expect from the heir to one of the 5 great family of Gotham (BTW Another great family kane is also a vigilante - and another is a villain - olgivy) - how he behaves as a lord of the city, with few respect for the law except his, and how he might be actually fighting for an ideal Gotham but a Gotham ideal for a patriarch. And the jerkass attitude, the always condescending behavior makes all the more sense in such a mindset.

Snyder doesn't bring anything new. He does fancy with his heavy symbolism, he does smart with his intricate plots but he doesn't do challenging. He's a very good story of the week writer but he's not a great batman writer.

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As we know, Joker has 'multiple' origins. It follows that RH may actually be The Joker, or one of the RH's is he in waiting.

If this doesn't make sense, I'll explain further, however, I'm thinking this is going to be what's going on when all will be revealed.

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I am pretty sure the Red Hood leader is The Joker based on the visual clues. In issue 17 there is a picture of The Joker with no make-up, and if you compare that with the images of RH leader when he takes his helmet it off you see the same green eyes and big nose along with the scene in issue 13 at ACE chemical dressed as the RH. Also some people complaining about him now having an origin story, I don't quite get. If RH is now The Joker, all we know is that he fell into some chemicals, but we still no zero about who that man was or why he truly became the RH other than some possible BS he told Bruce. I am really enjoying Zero Year, and I hope that during this story he can craft an iconic story for The Riddler.

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It's Hurt. The Hole in the things, the empty center, the emptiness. No, I kid, this isn't Morrison, though that would totally fit that quote the Leader of the Red Hood(s) gives. Is it the Joker, probably not honestly. But I don't know who it could be. I think the Joker would be to obvious, and Snyder already did a big Joker story with Death of the Family, this would be a bit to soon in my opinion to go back and do another Joker story, even if it was an origin of sorts.

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@dud317: http://www.ssynth.co.uk/~gay/anagram.html I found nothing

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@ghinzdra: the thing is though, you dammed Snyder from the beginning with Zero Year.

I'm assuming you've read the final issue, I which case I wonder where you stand (I can't spoiler block anything, I'm on my phone) since he kind of didn't do either option you provided, and also did, depending on how you read it.

The fact is under N52, stories are being retold and the Red Hood gang was part of that. He was tasked with it and personally I think he did a damn fine job re-imagining that story and the characters involved. It's unfair to say he's bad if he does option 1 and worse if he dies option 2, especially when the options pretty much cover every possible outcome. It becomes a self supporting argument, relying solely on people agreeing with your personal opinion, but you present it in a way which seems matter of fact and then use this to damn the author in question.

Here's the thing, I don't like everything every writer does either. I don't even like everything Snyder has done with the character (such as Death of the Family) BUT I couldn't do better and I certainly aren't good enough to get paid money to do it.

Your real gripe if anything is that you thought Killing joke was perfect and didn't want that re told. Well, too bad, it's a new universe and a lot of the stories are being re told. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But don't criticise Snyder (or any author) in a no-win situation based purely on your opinion. You've panned him in almost every regard, even criticising the fact that he hasn't changed the characters - forgetting that if he did, every Batgod fanboy would want his head. Personally I think he's done a great job so far in a limited amount if time with particular stories and representations of characters I enjoy.

//rant

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@ghinzdra: You have some very good arguments, some of them i slightly agree with. But let's just agree to disagree ;)

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I hope Red Hood is the Joker!

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@takeluutzen then let's take in order shall we ?

Court of owl : Lincoln marsh was exposed too suddenly to have any impact. His introduction was lifted from hush ( nice guy turns out to secretly hate the Bruce Wayne persona for the lifestyle he thinks Bruce had and wishes he had) But he s inferior in every way. Thomas Elliot was Bruce childhood best friend he knows him like no one can and can push his buttons very easily . Except for a "no luke I am your father" moment what was the point of the thomas wayne jr character ? it's all style no substance... Court of owl was actually wasted by the Thomas Wayne twist that stole the spotlight.

The court of owl itself was massively more interesting because it challenged directly how gotham was batman's city. Not necessarly a big fan of the talion but the court itself was a great concept. The court has been ruling gotham for 2 centuries, and have his members among the elite of gotham, his social peers as bruce wayne. He actually knows nothing about the city, (and so do we), excellent way to start a reboot, unfortunetaly cut short and left underdeveloped.

The maze-batman breaking was great , not groundbreaking though : the cult did it before and possibly better (arguable but there was a strong point for this in the cult). Great scene of batman punching a talion "I'm sick to death of owls"

Death of the familyJoker face's being cut off genese is unclear...most seems to give the idea to Tony Daniells and frankly I hope for Snyder that he's not the one that came up with this idea: once again, passed the shock factor (and I ve got to admit the batman and robin death of the family issue was top notch in how joker played with his face) WHAT'S THE FREAKING POINT???? for one you know it's not going to stick for two it seems like dc doesn't even remember why they did this in the first place... it stinks like the whole death of the family concept. Joker in 5 places at the same time/ able to beat into submission every single one of them ... the joker is no doctor doom. The hadnium element as an extra compound in joker toxin and it reads like "ha" ???? leave that kind of s.... to the riddler .

Take the killing joke that's the joker at its best : a weakling but unpredictable and able of sudden burst of brutality, depraved, trying to push in insanity everyone. Like when he beats jason to death with a crowbar after luring him with his mother . Like when he shoots Sarah Essien out of nowhere after tossing her a baby. Simple,stupid, horryfing, meaningless act of random brutality. Joker's mythos is strongly linked to the absurdity of death and tragedy. Its strenght as a nemesis is how he can be so weak and then crank the horrible up to eleven in a single second. I can deal with a planning Joker but with some limit.

We're also supposed to buy the fact that he's telling secrets so horrible that no one in the batfamily wants to speak to batman after that. Except we don't know what and pretty quick everything is back to square one. Well it wasn't THAT horrible then I guess... And batman supposedly knows who the joker is .... but we re not told.... Its's just the third time in a single act (joker's reason for cutting his face, secrets to batfamily, joker identity ) that Snyder hints at something extraordinary and gives us nothing but hot air

You're left with moments of awesome like batman punching a horse charging. Do you start to see a pattern here ?

Zero year:

As for the guts to retell batman origin : once again i'm not sure it's his idea and I hope it's not his idea. I think I read from a pretty official source that he was pressured by DC into doing this.

It's sometimes a straight remake ( year one :dying bruce/father I shall become a bat, killing joke: the vat acid with red hood,etc.) and frankly it's vastly inferior every single time. It's new and brighter but it's cheaper.

Snyder created :

thomas wayne : see above all the fat good he did...

uncle philipp? pretty useless I am afraid...

harper row ? well I m not a big fan of the batfamily (except maybe for damian and dick) so a new robin/batgirl is not something I'm necessarly looking forward to...I guess she has a personality of her own but as of now I don't have any idea what she might bring to batman universe....

Snyder has given us in the new 52 three arcs full of cheap tricks and great visuals and borrowed here and there... He does smartass stories not powerful. His symbolism is pretty much in your face. It's good weekly reading but nothing of that will matter in the long run (except maybe the court of owls which might reach its potential under another writer)

Do I see anyone else ? not necessarly but I never said he was a BAD writer. He's a smartass writer. He writes fancy stuff. You don't stop listening to music even when we are in a creativity rut. .

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A lot of theories are being thrown around here but i think it is occam's razor. What we saw in zero year is too close to the joker origins to be anything else. I don't think however that Snyder is done telling joker's story yet. We are going to see joker rise throughout the future arcs even if he is not the main focus of the story.

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@takeluutzen: Joker cutting his face off was Tony Daniel's doing, wasn't it? Snyder ran with it.

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@cuddlebear said:

Everyone should have an origin story... EXCEPT THE JOKER!!!!

This. He can have an origin, but they need to keep you guessing if that origin is even halfway true. I love that.

This....and this

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@ghinzdra: I don't fully agree with you. Have you read issue 24? I would agree that the first issues of Zero Year are a little bit slow and there doesn't really happen that much, but they were necessary so that issue 24 can happen. I love Zero Year so far.
As for what i would remember in 10 years from Snyders run, i would like to sum that up.
-Thomas Wayne Jr/Owlman almost destroying Batman mentally, because essentially he tricked Batman into that Owl-maze where he lost his mind, making even perspective of the comic flip 180 degrees.
-Joker's face being cut off and Joker coming back to make the bat-family turn their backs on Batman and in a way making Nightwing flee Gotham City. Also Snyder has made Joker a stalker who sleeps under Bullocks bed.
- Snyder created Harper Row, right?
-And i would like to point out that Snyder had to guts to re-tell Batman's origin and making it more modern.

I don't want to sound like a Snyder fanboy. But name one writer who has that much stories for the most awesome character in such a short period time. Everybody loved Miller's Dark Knight Returns but hated his Dark Knight Strikes Again, not to mention the Goddamn Batman run. Everybody loves Grant Morrisson, but he is finished with Batman for the moment. Who would you like to see write Batman?

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I m a little bit surprised by the expectations here about this arc and how people make pointless speculations ...the setup + the vat episode can only bring poor results....

either the RH leader is the joker (nihilism CHECK acid vat CHECK unknow identity CHECK) lame - strictly nothing new.

or he's not .... ultra lame because snyder has build him to be the joker so much (and no argument here : the alternative cover people....) that he will have to bring a twist that will barely make sense....

The huge flaw of Snyder is that he's simply weak on thematic and resorting more and more to cheap tricks and thrills. He plays with big tools (face cut off joker, origin of batman, GH leader-origin of joker) without any pay off. It's going nowhere. .All his stories since court of owls read like gimmics rather than proper story. He brings nothing new to the mythos. Ask yourself what will be remembered in a decade ???

Did he develop in a new way a character ? does his alfred, his gordon, have anything really special as were moore's joker, miller's gordon ? what kind of impact the uncle kane character will ever have ??? frankly I'more impressed by the latest elseworld tales like batman earth one or even injustice : gods among us....

He had a great start with batman and could have really big : the black mirror, gates of gotham, court of owls.... all of them huge potential do make something brand new . but ultimately he always failed to make something great out of it. It verged on great.

Zero year so far is a complete disappointment.

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Everyone should have an origin story... EXCEPT THE JOKER!!!!

This. He can have an origin, but they need to keep you guessing if that origin is even halfway true. I love that.

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I would like it if it was Joker but won't be upset if it isn't. I'm so behind on Year Zero its not even funny.

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@dud317 said:

I'm thinking Liam Distal is an anagram. I'm looking more into it, but wanted to get others inputs.

If t is that is one heck of an anagram.

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I'm thinking Liam Distal is an anagram. I'm looking more into it, but wanted to get others inputs.

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Snyder is the most predictable writer ever

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@mpscrimshaw13:

I guess that makes sense. But it's still weird how there are so many redheads in Gotham most of the time.

I think there are more redheads in comic books then there are in real life.

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@flashdamn:

Very well grasshopper. 1st: watch the Three Stooges and figure out just what makes them funny. 2nd: read Terry Pratchett. 3rd: Watch as much MST3K/Rifftrax/Cinematic Titanic as you can stand.

The lesson is concluded. X^D

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@miss_garrick: Considering both Martha Wayne and Batmwoman are members of the Kane family, I think it makes plenty of sense that they are both redheads. Also, considering Gordon (from Chicago) was also a redhead back in the day, it also makes sense that Batgirl would be one as well.

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Is the portrait supposed to be Thomas and Martha Wayne?!? The woman has red hair! Does every woman in Gotham City have red hair? This implies way too much soap opera-esqe ideas, or did some red haired man donate at a fertility clinic in the past and now every red haired woman in Gotham is his biological daughter? Batgirl, Batwoman, and Poison Ivy are now long lost sisters, and apparently Martha is now a part of the family.

please teach me master of comedy

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Easily one of the dumbest looking characters ever..... does he really have a pocket rocket for his head piece? really?

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I am actually very happy with Issue 24.

There is a clear hint at Joker's origin (the Red Hood leader falling into a vat of chemicals at the ACE Chemicals factory) however, Batman literally says that it could have been anyone beneath the mask at that point. It might have been the gang's leader for as long as Bruce has been fighting them, but it might also have been a fall guy only facing Batman for the first time on the roof of the plant just moments before. Alfred even mentions how "multiple choice" this all sounds. A line that we have of course come to associate with Joker's past.

This is why I love Snyder, he sticks to the classics but he gives it his own creative clever spin.

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I think there is a good chance that The Red Hood leader could be revealed to be someone else, because it defies expectations. To be fair I stopped reading Batman, but I don't see how the character not acting like the Joker would be any sort of clue. If he was the same person the Joker is before the accident, then what would be the point of the accident.

If Joker isn't the leader, I don't have a problem with that, he was never leader of a gang in the first place. He could just as easily be one of the random members of the Red Hood Gang. And if the actual leader turned out to be another well known bat-villain, that could lead to some interesting tensions between them and the Joker later on. As long as his ties to the Red Hood continue in some way, that would be fine.

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Leave it to Snyder to play it one the nose and close to the chest.

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@g_man: I think you are over thinking it. Joker has been a man who has done many many persona's and changed his game plan. but still an interesting article none the less. good job

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I was excited for Batman 24, but now I'm really excited. (I guess I already was really excited) But I just figured he was Joker, never really thought about the possibility that it's not so. Can't wait...!

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@muyjingo said:

In Alan Moore's THE KILLING JOKE, we saw the man who would become the Joker was not quite the cruel and calculating man the Joker is today. Getting involved with the gang, this man was told they all took turns being the "leader" and wearing the costume to throw off the authorities should they get caught. Basically, he was a patsy.

This is the biggest problem I have with what Snyder has done with changing the continuity. Painting the Joker as a pathetic sympathetic loser who can't catch a break, driven crazy after being used as a patsy and disfigured was genius.

Snyder threw it all away at the expense of the red hood gang nonsense.

I have nothing against changing continuity, but if you're going to replace a story it should be with something better.

As much as THE KILLING JOKE is praised, the idea of Joker previously being a nebbish…loser just felt wrong. Of course it could be the chemicals that twisted his mind and transformed him into the Joker. But that goes into the questioning of what is Joker's motivation and why. That's a completely other topic. Whether or not it was purely the chemicals that caused Joker to be as cruel as he is seems too easy.

I always saw it that he got completely broken...and everything he had been repressing all his life came out...and his mind snapped. Brilliant.

Exactly, it was never the chemicals alone. If I recall correctly he was still acting normal until he saw his reflection, and his disfigured face was kind of the last straw.

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In Alan Moore's THE KILLING JOKE, we saw the man who would become the Joker was not quite the cruel and calculating man the Joker is today. Getting involved with the gang, this man was told they all took turns being the "leader" and wearing the costume to throw off the authorities should they get caught. Basically, he was a patsy.

This is the biggest problem I have with what Snyder has done with changing the continuity. Painting the Joker as a pathetic sympathetic loser who can't catch a break, driven crazy after being used as a patsy and disfigured was genius.

Snyder threw it all away at the expense of the red hood gang nonsense.

I have nothing against changing continuity, but if you're going to replace a story it should be with something better.

As much as THE KILLING JOKE is praised, the idea of Joker previously being a nebbish…loser just felt wrong. Of course it could be the chemicals that twisted his mind and transformed him into the Joker. But that goes into the questioning of what is Joker's motivation and why. That's a completely other topic. Whether or not it was purely the chemicals that caused Joker to be as cruel as he is seems too easy.

I always saw it that he got completely broken...and everything he had been repressing all his life came out...and his mind snapped. Brilliant.

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I really need to pick up this arc.

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I <3 Scott Snyder

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"Granted, we're talking the New 52. Things can change."

And that's why none of this matters. DC 52 was built on a shaky ground floor of Flashpoint and a five year jump. There's no way any of these interpretations will hold up over the next 20 years. Snyder has gone on record that he writes Batman like there was no reboot. Batman no. 1 will endure, the Killing Joke will endure, Year One will endure, Mask of the Phantasm will endure.

Speaking of, why don't we just make Mask of the Phantasm official cannon and call it a day, hmm?

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Also, the fact that the gang leader seems to be more organized, plan-oriented, and more of a team player than the Joker doesn't really mean anything either. It's pretty much always been a constant element in the Joker's character that the his chemical bath makeover didn't just bleach his skin, but that the trauma of it also affected his mind. Even if the gang leader is the Joker, there's no reason to expect that he'd have the same personality after the transformation that he did before.

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The leader of the gang has mentioned recalling when Bruce's parents were killed. How much older than Bruce would he be?

The fact that he recalls the murder of Bruce's parents doesn't necessarily mean he's older than Bruce at all. The fact that he mentions his foster parents' reaction would seem to indicate that the Red Hood gang leader was still a minor when Bruce's parents were killed (otherwise, he wouldn't still be living in a foster home). Bruce was 8 or 9 when his parents were murdered, right? That's certainly old enough for another child to have a basic recollection of the event, based on how the adults around him responded to it.

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Am i the only one that wants the joker back in forever evil, when the penguin said to bane the joker is here somewhere he's just wearing someone else's face, that freak hates structure. i was hoping he would return again at one point

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I have feeling its HUSH

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I was going for joker

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I believe it is the Joker, but I could be wrong.