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Off My Mind: Batgirl vs. Batwoman is Inevitable, But Who Will Win?

With two red-headed female Bat-characters, how soon until they clash?

DC's 'The New 52" is here and we are witnessing our favorite characters once again for the first time. This week marks the return of Barbara Gordon as Batgirl. We are all on the edge of our seats wondering how she will regain the use of her legs after getting shot through the spine by the Joker. This month also marks the return of Kate Kane as Batwoman.

Scott Snyder has said several times that the Batman Universe will remain pretty much unchanged although there will (obviously) be some minor changes. With some tweaks to the timeline and ages of the characters, the roles of some may be changing slightly.

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There have been several Batgirls and Batwomen in the past comics. Now we are going to have one of each and ironically, they are both red-heads. It's inevitable that the two will eventually meet up and the big question will be on what terms? Will there be enough room in Gotham for two red-headed Bat-women?

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From the preview of Batgirl #1, Barbara Gordon is in college. There's mention that she was shot three years before what we assume to be the present time. That means she was probably shot when she was around 18 or so. That also would have been two years after the events in last week's Justice League #1.

Out of all this, another question is, how long did she operate as Batgirl? At what age did she first put on the costume and fight along side Batman and Robin? Basically the question here is how much experience as a superhero does she have? If she spent three years in a wheelchair, it's possible she spent those years as Oracle so those stories could technically still hold. It just doesn't seem she is going to be the experienced former Batgirl we knew before.

Batwoman now is older than Barbara. In the preview for Batwoman #1, her story is pretty much untouched. We will have to wait and see whether or not it's addressed how long she's been dressing up in a bat-themed costume. In Detective Comics # 860, we saw that Kate got started around four years ago. Barbara may have spent the last three years in a wheelchair and Kate could have spent the last three in action as Batwoman.

This changes the dynamic of their potential first encounter. It is possible they have interacted several times already, especially if Barbara was acting as Oracle. There may not be any reason for the two to clash in their first meeting but this is comic books we're talking about. Heroes practically always fight over a misunderstanding when they first encounter each other.

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If Batwoman has more experience in a costume and cape, that could change the outcome. I think we would all place our bets on Barbara but if she is younger and less experienced, she'll really need to use her wits if this ever happened. Batwoman is a great character. There is a lot of potential in her and it's so good to see that she is being given the spotlight in her own title. But Barbara/Batgirl is the girl we've known for years. She's already won our hearts time and time again. Batwoman is still working on that.

Then again, because Gail Simone and J.H. Williams III don't have to rely on clichés to tell a story, there might not be a clash between the two. I am just really curious to see how they would interact with each other. Who would be taking who under their wing? Who is the better caped crusader?

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There is indeed room in Gotham for two female Bat-characters. This just shows that the Batman Universe is so rich in characters. Each character's book is likely to focus mainly on the individual character in the beginning. It has to be established where they stand in the "New 52." Hopefully we will see the two fighting side by side.

Whether we see a catfight between the two (or should I say batfight?) remains to be seen.

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@chalkshark said:
There shouldn't be any conflict at all. If DC really wants this to be a "new" universe then they should abandon as many of the old genre tropes, as possible. Besides characters beating the Hell out of each other on first sight has, really, always been a Marvel staple. These are two smart women that likely keep up with current events in Gotham City. They're going to know about the existence of the other, & they're going to know that they're on the same side. No one would ask if Batgirl & Batman were going to fight it out on their first meeting. Why assume there's a cat fight on the horizon for the two bat women. I think it would be great if they never met. I prefer Batwoman occupying her own little niche in Gotham City. Let's her be her own woman. Batgirl deserves the same opportunity.
Thank you!!!! The reasoning behind their potential clash stated in this article just doesn't hold. And judging from what we read in the Batgirl preview Babs was Oracle so the only changes to her is that she's somehow now walking and younger. If she was Oracle it's safe to assume that she spent that time as the information hub of the DCU and leader (so to speak) of the B.O.P.  I just don't see Kate, even with her origin untouched much having more experience as a hero than Babs. It seems like her pre/post killing Joke experiences are remaining cannon but we'll have to ultimately wait and see. But seriously, what motivated this article? I just find the assumption that they'll clash or meet at all baffling. Kate Kane's never really been all that integrated into the Batfamily in my experience. At the most she's always been a peripheral character at best, much like Azrael (current). 
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Batwoman finished off Scorpiana. "A-list assassin...bio-fight enhancements...plus-speed reflexes..." I have only actually been reading about the various Bats since the start of Batman Inc so this may be bias. Who has Babs fought with that kind of dossier and won?

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I'll be picking up Batgirl tomorrow, as well as Batwoman next week. There's plenty of room in Gotham for the ladies, lets not forget BoP.

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@ltbrd:  
Soooo much win! I'm not buying either of these books to be honest. Just don't care enough about either at this point. I more invested in Cassie as Batgirl and I'd only read Batgirl to see how they handle Babs walking again. I really don't care at all about Kate, I truly don't see the necessity for the character. Nothing she offers (aside from her sexual orientation) differentiates her enough from any member of the Batfamily. If the only aspect of the character that really stands out is who's in the bedroom, then they're not strong enough to stand to me. Maybe I need to go back and read Rucka's Batwoman stuff, but from what I've seen of her and heard, she doesn't have much to offer for me. 
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Anyone know if Batwoman #0 is part of the new Batwoman series or solo altogether?

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Just out of principle I would have to say Batwoman. I mean what grown twenty-something year old woman calls herself Batgirl? It's just silly.  
 
Also, on a side note; I don't see why people like Gail Simone so much. Did you read the teaser DC put on their blog? In her dialogue Batgirl sounds like a complete tool. (And I didn't even know girls could be Tools!)  
Here's the link http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2011/09/Batgirl1_pg3.jpg

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it's going  to be  a catfight  then they will kiss and make  up .

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Why we always gotta fight? Why can't they just team up and kick some butt? Babs should be making the plans and Kate should be executing them, Birds of Prey style, as it should be.

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However it ends someone who isn't already a lesbian should come to the sudden realization that they're a lesbian and have been pretending to be straight due to weak Freudian excuses. 
 
Also I heard Wondy finally came out of the invisible closet?
Who the hell were they trying to full playing her out as straight? 
Women. From an island full of women. Hot. Sexy beautiful women. Where the scorn men. Yeah she's totally straight. 
 
Joking, I don't even keep up with DC.

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This idea of two heroes fighting against each other always reminds me of the two 5-year-old boys sitting around saying, "I bet MY dad can beat up YOUR dad."  I think the attributes of both, particularly Batgirl are a little uncertain, especially since the Flash was told in Flashpoint that there would be a "cost" for setting things back to a semblance of what it was.  I'm with Neverpraying on a makeout session... and I'm gay, so there's really nothing in it for me, except that they're both exceptional characters.
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Batgirl ftw

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Batwoman wins

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Wait you're asking when they will literally fight? I thought this was going to be about who's going to be more popular.

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I'm not confident I can answer this question, until I find out if Barb's time as Oracle has been "Fifty-Two-ed" away or not. 

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As much as I love Babs, I would have to go with Batwoman. She did get military training.

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Doesn't matter, fans always win with this girl vs girl type of situations. Bring on the batbboobies! I meab bat action :)

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Batwoman get military training, Babs was trained by Batman, my money goes to Babs.

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WE all know who they will they'll make win...Cliche title goes to Batgirl! 
Why? 
 
Batgirl...side kick to Batman- Training by Batman and before the reboot grew leadership skills. 
 
Batwoman was just brought back to fill the left over shadows in Gotham. She sadly hasn't grow with any interest even with her lesbian return.  
THE dumb part would be if they pulled a Green Hornet meets Robin (Live action with Adam West). Basically  so neither character looks weak, make sure they appear equal in combat and have both characters walk away staring each other down. 

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As long as the 'confrontation' has a good reason and not just for show then fans would emerge victorious themselves.

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i pick steph  batgirl.
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Batwoman wins.

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I just noticed, there isn't much diversity when BOTH Bat-babes are redheads.

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I love to see a bat cat fight!

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I would love to see the batfight between the two.  :D

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@iaconpoint said:
I just noticed, there isn't much diversity when BOTH Bat-babes are redheads.
Does that really matter? Look at Batman and the Robins. I know Jason dyes his hair, but still.
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 @RareCheshire said:
@iaconpoint said:
I just noticed, there isn't much diversity when BOTH Bat-babes are redheads.
Does that really matter? Look at Batman and the Robins. I know Jason dyes his hair, but still.
Sarcasm. I was referencing DC's referendum about diversity and how being all PC comes back to bite you in the ass. But anyway, sarcasm. Yyyyeeeaaaaahhhh...
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I would rather see a fight between Batwoman and the Huntress actually. 
 
Helena had always wanted to prove herself to Batman and I think she'd find the notion that Batwoman just swept in and took a bat-mantle HIGHLY offensive. 
 
I think Helena would win though, she's far more ferocious and was even able to take out Barbara in her earliest days.

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Batwoman > Batgirl 

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I would be very disappointed to see them clash.

I love both of these characters and think they are too intelligent and poised heroes to fall into such bad cliche crappola storylines.

Please, Gail.. J.H. don't do it.

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Batwoman all the way , she has military training and is a lesbo redhead (also a goth)

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I don't know, on one hand I love Barbara she has been in comics more time that batwoman, But in the other hand Barbara has to use their legs again and she needs to practice a lot to use her legs like she used them before, so if Batwoman and Barabara will fight sometime, I got to go with Barbara because I can't see her losing a fight in her return to Batgirl..... 

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Too much Bats running around. I don't know why we need a batwoman and a batgirl. It should either one or the other.

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I think that with the early military training, her age and (in the new universe) comparable level of hero experience, Batwoman would win. The plot of that result would flow more organically as well I think, as Babs feels like the kind of girl who would accept the defeat, brush it off and ask for a hand up, whereas Kate's darker edge might make her resent Babs a bit for knocking her down a peg. That of course would be an interesting result to see, but I'm more hoping that any 'versus' will be followed by a quick team-up of all the Bat ladies, or even just the general Bat family. 
 
I love them both a ton though.

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I'm a fan of Barbara Gordon as Batgirl, but she's not going to beat the military trained Kate Kane as Batwoman.

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batwoman

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Batwoman now? I'm glad I stopped following comics years ago.

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@ G-Man Simply looking forward to good stories.  Characters don't always have to fight/quarrel when they meet up, so this isn't an issue for me.  Something about your thought process irks me, though I can't quite put my finger on it.

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My money is on Batwoman if they fought, but I doubt they ever will.

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Don't care who will win because it will be a brilliant story. Whatever the outcome the DC universe will be better for it!

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Just read Batgirl #1 and after dialogue like: " there you are you rotten monsters.  Found you didn't I? Oh yes, I did babies. How sad for you?" I just wish that Kate Kane puts her red boots in her mouth.  God Gail totally screwed it with the cheesy and silly dialogue....I  believe the real face off will be when I buy Batwoman#1 next week, because I won't be buying both comics monthly so one of em is gonna end being dropped and so far Batgirl is the most likely to be left out....If this is how Gail Simone makes an impression with a #1 that was suposed to make Batgirl modern, hip and interesting, please bring Bryan Q. Miller back to Batgirl
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Batwoman!

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Kane > all Batgirls not named Cain. Maybe Babs can be her sidekick?

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