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Off My Mind: Are the X-Men and Other Mutants Considered Human?

They often claim to be a new species so does that mean they are not human?

There has been many discussions and arguments over what is a mutant. The definition that exists in the Marvel Universe is different than what would be used in the "real world." Early on, the term "Homo superior" was used to describe mutants. Magneto strongly believed that they were different than Homo sapiens and destined to become the dominant life form on the planet.

Because people fear what they don't understand, mutants have long been the targets of attack and hate. Thought to be the next stage in human evolution, mutants are not seen as human but rather a different species altogether. This is a question that the X-Men have constantly faced over the years.

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In a recent case of "life imitating art," this question is one Marvel's lawyers are actually discussing with the IRS. Whether or not mutants are considered human could have a big impact on the X-Men in both the real and comic book world. The question that has to be answered is, should mutants be considered human?

== TEASER ==

While this isn't a new argument, a recent article was brought to my attention by a member of our community, Grim. According to the post, Marvel is trying to convince the IRS that the X-Men and mutants should not be considered mutants. The reason is, toys made in other countries and shipped into the US are taxed but figures of non-humans have lower taxes. If mutants can be classified as non-humans, they can save some money on X-Men figures.

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In comics, William Stryker was one of the first to make the argument that mutants were not human. To him, mutants are monsters or abominations. Stryker believes we are beings of divine creation but mutants are an "affront to that divinity." It might not be the words Magneto or Professor X would use but they agreed that mutants and humans were different species.

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If mutants are not considered human, that would mean they don't have human rights. A mutant's natural or legal rights could be called into question. Does this mean it's okay to put them in mutant concentration camps as seen in Days of Future Past? Should they be allowed to vote? Can they get a mortgage loan to buy a new house? Would it be okay for groups like the Purifiers to hunt them down and kill them for sport?

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For the sake of the mutants in the Marvel Universe, it's important that they are considered human. It could be argued that they are human until the x-gene they are born with kicks in (usually at puberty). You could also argue whether or not a mutant is a mutant before that gene kicks in.

Mutants may have extraordinary abilities but it's essential that they are able to retain their rights. At the same time, they should also be held to the same laws and standards. We're reminded of the quote, "If You Cut Me, Do I Not Bleed?" It might be in Marvel's best interest to have mutants designated as non-human but for the survival of mutants in the Marvel Universe, they need to be considered humans. They're just humans that can do some pretty cool things.

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Not humans

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You don't really read the comics, do you? They plainly state that yes, they are human. HUMAN MUTANTS.

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How does one defend human? Biology, as stated before they follow the laws of the reproduction and heredity. But what makes someone human? Compassion for another person or species. Kurt is probably the best example of a human being. Despite his faults and appearance and genetics he has the compassion and love most people strive for. He's actually better at being human than most humans.

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The question is valid but what you should ask yourself are Neanderthals considered apes? And to bring up the question of another commenter Reed Richards would not be considered homo-superior because he was born a homo sapien whereas say cyclops was born a mutant so to refer to my previous question it all comes down to what you believe a Neanderthal is if something is still the same animal despite an evolutionary leap then you can continue to refer to it as a human, in my personal opinion mutants are not human

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They're human.We need to think of them that way because they are born to human parents. We don't even know how many there really are. The only mutants we concern ourselves with are the obvious i.e. those that are physically different or incredible power.If a mutant's "powers" only made them a good opera singer we would notice or care.The term Homo-Superior is the equivilent of a "Stud" vanity plate,Magneto made it up.If it meant anything wouldn't it apply to Steve Rogers or Reed Richards.

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Mutants are Humans because they meet all the characteristics of a human but they have mutations or extra characteristics just like how some apes are homo-sapiens becuase they have have all characterisics of a homo-sapien it is all in how you define Human if lower your befinition of human than you can include apes,dogs,horses,dolphines if you elevate it you can include mutants either way don't be dick to people or animals that are different, define is to limit why would anyone possiblly want to limit humanity unless they were evil and wanting to conTROLL it.

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@Spiderslike said:

I don't think Mutants should count at all as humans because to me they aren't philosophically. Genetically you may be able to say they are still humans just with a mutation, but to me like Magneto and Apocalypse say they are the next step after humans so they aren't humans. To me however this is a good thing because this means Mutants are above humans on the food chain. They shouldn't be held to the same standards as humans, but should be held to their own standards just as every society has it's own rules so to should Mutants. If I were a mutant I would never claim I'm human in anyway that would seem insulting like calling a person a dog.

@Spiderslike: Well, being a big believer in the fact that being a mutant is a genetic anomaly, I feel as if that would be like saying that all people who are color blind should have their own society. Granted, mutant powers are much cooler than being color blind, but my point is still there. What if you were on the flip side? What if you were an average human in a world mutants? Humans can still think, so I don't know how much you would enjoy being compared to a dog.

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A separation of humanity based on their genes? Imo, whether they are white, black, or fuzzy, they're still baseline human. When Wanda striped mutants of their x-gene, were there not hystericalhumans scurrying across your comic book panels?

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I would consider them human. They might not be genetically identical to most mundane people, however human DNA evolves with each passing generation anyway. So, it's really nothing new. The difference is that their mutations were a leap in the basic genetic code of humans. Most of their family members are human, and they generally act, and feel the same as regular people. It's safe to say that to some extent, the mutants are very human.

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Mutants are Human's with powers, And they are Humans whos gene's "Evolved" alittle but that doesnt mean they arent human..., if someone gets supersmart that means he isnt human?!? .

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@Spiderslike said:

I don't think Mutants should count at all as humans because to me they aren't philosophically. Genetically you may be able to say they are still humans just with a mutation, but to me like Magneto and Apocalypse say they are the next step after humans so they aren't humans. To me however this is a good thing because this means Mutants are above humans on the food chain. They shouldn't be held to the same standards as humans, but should be held to their own standards just as every society has it's own rules so to should Mutants. If I were a mutant I would never claim I'm human in anyway that would seem insulting like calling a person a dog.

This statement implies that all mutants are just naturally better then non-mutants. Not just in terms of having powers; it seems you me you are claiming that they are enlightened beings. Mutants are capable of great good and great evil, just like non-humans are. And they are capable of being irresponsible and stupid. So what is it, specifically, that makes them better than "humans"?

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Biologically speaking, mutants are still humans. They are capable of having sex with non-mutants, and of producing reproductively-viable offspring. They are capable of existing in societies (a group of people living under commonly agreed upon values), which means they are also capable of meaningful "human" life. They still live by the same taboos and principles as we do, and the existence of mutants in itself does not pose a threat to society. Yes, there are some super-villains who are mutants. But there are also super-villains who are not mutants, while still being capable of the same kind of damage (Magneto/ Graviton). And there are non-mutants who are capable of that kind of devastation, too (Joseph Stalin with Ukrainians and Adolph Hitler with Jews). If someone wanted to argue that having powers makes you not-human, then that would mean that all super humans would need to be put into camps. And if someone wanted to argue that being a mutant makes you a monster then they would need to explain the hundreds upon hundreds of "human" monsters that have existed throughout history.

Just some food for thought.

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They are human to baseline humans can create a mutant. The Guthries made a dozen or so.

One gene difference no matter how illogical that is it should really be one controlling gene and lets say several 100 lesser genes to account for a large degree of variance that occurs does not make a new species.

Two humans can make a mutant.

A mutant and a human can make a mutant.

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@Sobe Cin said:

Seriously, Marvel is trying to push the thought that Mutants aren't human so they can save money on taxes for incoming product. That is just so sad.

Agreed, but for the sake of discussion, if you don't think they are human then you would have to come up with what exactly mutant rights are and that's a huge can of worms in of itself. Who's to say what mutant rights encompass, human scientists, mutant scientists, laymen mutants, would they be both compared and contrasted with aliens in order to more strictly define what they are? This is a very thought-provoking article and I'm glad it was brought up again.

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They're technically human, but I'd think that if they were filling out a form in the marvel universe, mutant would be a separate category.

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Seriously, Marvel is trying to push the thought that Mutants aren't human so they can save money on taxes for incoming product. That is just so sad.

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Everybody's genetic codes deviate from a "simple" combination of his parents' alleles, having between 150 to 175 mutations, the vast majority of which are undetectable. So technically, we're all mutants.

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Blame the whole issue on the flawed way writers used evolution to explain Mutants. All the 'next step in evolution' and 'Homo Superior' stuff is just comic book pseudo science at its purest.

A 'species' isn't easily defined. What you see in museums as your ancestors look different because they existed hundreds of thousands of years apart, and it was scientists who gave them different names. In real, slow life, the process is just one small mutation/natural selection after another that doesn't look that distinct, and isn't enough to consider them a new species.

Mutants are humans with mutation that comes from a specific gene therefore, they are humans. They just have distinct common genetic traits. You could say, but it's still a faulty comparison, that they're similar to an ethnic group.

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The 90's X-men cartoon had an episode where Mastermold said "Mutants ARE human." Nuff said!
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theyre still people , with feelings , so mostly human still ...

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Well, theoretically they're still humanoid creatures, so... :P

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Of course they're Human,better than their oppressors

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I think it depends on the who it is. People like Professor X, Magneto, Cyclops, etc are human. They are pretty much human, just with added powers. Other mutants like Beast, Nightcrawler, Apocalypse, etc are not though. Their genetics aren't humanistic. Beast has very animalisitic genes, Nightcrawler is half demon, from his father (Azareth), and Apocalypse has been evolving for thousands of years, etc.

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If the X writers/editors were as smart as Marvel lawyers - they'd bring this "real world" discussion into comics...and while they have to a limited degree - it would be interesting to see it used to it's full effectiveness...I also think this is true of their Island nation of Utopia - how would the "real world" ever handle a "Nation" being built on it's shores with hundreds of walking WMD's (The writers/editors in the infinite wisdom didn't even place it in International Waters). I've been ragged on before by: "It's just comics" - yeah that is true, but lets put some real world intelligence behind our suspension of disbelief - I'm just crowing...

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Scientifically no, they're a completely different species. Homo Superior are as related to Homo Sapien as Homo Sapien are related to Homo Erectus. Philosophically however yes mutants are humans

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They have always been human... no matter how absurd they already look. 
 
They just got a little extra special something in them... that's all.

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They are humans with an extra X gene hence where their powers are derived from

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@tectonic_prose said:

Typically, biologically species are indicated by a genetic lock and key, that is to say, mutants are not humans if that do not have regular reproductive capacity with humans, and rather have that only with other mutants. So, I believe mutants appear to be humans who have a genetic anomaly.

This is actually a very serious science discussion which involves both a re-clarifying of technical speciation and a recap of the genetic history of the X-Family. I'm trying to think of mutants who have had genetically human offspring, but can't. Humans have mutants, but do mutants have non-mutant human offspring. Can anyone help me out here?

Graydon Creed.

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Yes, they are still human. When Master Moe from the X-Men Cartoon says to the scientist, that they are indeed humans, so that a machine couldn't make difference from the two spices. It's more of a human, cute little classification, kinda deal.

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So in summary, lawyer uses some loophole nonsense for toys and taxes...TOYS! I fail to see the issue...it's not like Marvel as a company made an anouncement that all mutants are above/below humans in the comics...just one scummy lawyer.

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Article typo?

trying to convince the IRS that the X-Men and mutants should not be considered mutants humans.

Anyway I realize this is a slow news week and it's a fine topic to discuss (isn't Nightcrawler more of a demi-human in fantasy parlance?)

But seriously, we all know the original article is about getting a tax loophole. Right? It has nothing to do with the fiction, and Marvel's lawyers are not going to edit the Compendiums to satisfy the IRS. Right? That's true right? Oh Jesus...

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This may sound kinda immature and like I'm saying it for shock value, but I'm being totally genuine: If mutants really were a different species from humans, would a human hooking up with a mutant (such as Storm and Black Panther) be considered bestiality?

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I would say they're...

Super human

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Most of them only develop their powers after they hit puberty. It would be insane to say they were human during their childhood and became another different species when they became adolescents. I say they are human.

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haha biology. Species are things that can't breed with one another. I'm surprised how many others knew this. go biology!

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Humans with an activated x-gene

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I'm impressed at so many people already pointing out the scientific inaccuracies in the constant stating that mutants are a new species. I've accepted you have to sacrifice some realism to enjoy a story (I could point out that in most cases it would take more than ONE gene (the "mutant gene") to create the biological differences between notable mutants and traditionally non-mutated humans) but I've always felt it was a lazy way on writers' parts to create conflict between the groups.

I understand if the line was just used as metaphorical hate speech ( "They're not even human!!"), but being accepted as fact makes it seem like they just didn't bother to do their research. That is, if you're going to use science as an explanation for super-powers don't get some pretty basic concepts wrong.

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I believe that there are human with a genetic mutation

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Al I can say is, was homo Hiedelbergensis human even though they were born before homo sapien and had a bigger head?

Also, can you tell I just read that off of wiki? :P

also though, kinda seriously,if I saw Nightcrawler literally in real life my first impulse would be to stab him with a wooden stake. I'd put him down as a demon before a human if I didn't understand.

Stan was smart for the x-men ], he was basing the idea off of racial issues, through comics. Malcolm X symbolized by Magneto and Martin Luther King Jr. by Xavier. Night crawler although a pretty later added character by like 12 years, was a devoted catholic and looked like a devil, showing that the person inside is worth much more than what the person looks like On the outside. i know it's obvious but it was just a smart idea that still impresses me

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I always though that calling themselves "homo superior" was a bit vain. You want to be accepted and you call yourself superior? That's just gonna make people hate you more... they're human.

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They are humans because the only biological vary is that one gene that is active, so technically there just a new branch of humanity, and people just need to get over it really. THE END

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From a business standpoint, I can see why Marvel would want to do this, sure. Now in the Marvel Universe proper, it would be a serious legal question of whether mutants should be considered human or not. In the end, the question is YES, they are considered humans. They are officially known as homo sapiens superior, which technically means they are just the next step up on the human evolutionary scale. Its no different from a metahuman or even a superhuman. It all comes down to a question of just what one's definition of humanity is, and for mutants they obviously qualify even if some think otherwise. Many see fit to dehumanize others just because they don't fit a certain mold. Blacks in the American South both before and since the American Civil War. Jews and Gypsies in Central Europe during the 1930s and 1940s. In the end they all share same and similar characteristics that all humans do, and mutants are no different other than the fact that they may have an ability that no typical human can undertake.

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@sora_thekey said:

They are just a different type of human.

I agree they may not be like other humans but they are still human

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That depends on your definition of "human." Would you consider Neanderthals and other pre-Homo Sapiens "human" or not? If the term "human" is strictly for Homo Sapiens, and mutants are Homo Sapiens Superior, then they wouldn't apply. I don't think Marvel Atlanteans and or the Inhumans are labeled as "humans" so much in the Marvel Universe, so the argument could be valid...

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Interesting article to share, I remember reading the classic comics. And how each explored what made our favorite teams unique and how they shaped the world they fight to save in every page. "God Loves, Man Kills" was a difficult read, because it challenged many writers, yet somehow Claremont was able to define what was "different" and what is human. I haven't been able to find a title like it since. But its something that Marvel's lawyers are fighting in defense of a generation. I hope they win, and find solidarity to keep it going.

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@tectonic_prose said:

Typically, biologically species are indicated by a genetic lock and key, that is to say, mutants are not humans if that do not have regular reproductive capacity with humans, and rather have that only with other mutants. So, I believe mutants appear to be humans who have a genetic anomaly.

This is actually a very serious science discussion which involves both a re-clarifying of technical speciation and a recap of the genetic history of the X-Family. I'm trying to think of mutants who have had genetically human offspring, but can't. Humans have mutants, but do mutants have non-mutant human offspring. Can anyone help me out here?

Mystique and Sabertooth had a child named Graydon Creed who was a normal human.

This article reminds me of that episode of the 90s X-men cartoon where Senator Kelly was kidnapped by Mastermold and he told Mastermold that the Sentinels are supposed to attack mutants, not humans and Mastermold replies that that is illogical because mutants are humans. The shock of this revelation got Kelly to do a complete 180 and change his whole stance on human/mutant affairs.

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@sEsposito7:

Yup, once again, you've saved me a post. Morrison actually based a good bit of his New X-Men around this.

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Look at my avatar... Shows you what i think :P

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No they're not human, they're meta-human. Whether they constitute a separate species as a whole is a different question. Cyclops and clone Jean Grey had similar enough genomes that they were able to produce non-sterile offspring, which suggests that they are of reasonably close genetics. Mutant/non-mutant pairings have also resulted in children, generally powered, which implies that the gene structures that permit mutant abilities are recessive but very common in the general population (like blue-eyes).

Referring to mutants as a separate species is just one of the parallels with the real-life race issues that Stan Lee was attempting to grapple with in the original series.