Marvel Announces Landmark X-Men Marriage [Spoilers]

@InnerVenom123 said:

@PsychoKnights said:

@InnerVenom123:

Debate over PM is not pointless

Yes it is.

Lol.

(grins)

@PsychoKnights said:

@InnerVenom123:

“Nope.

I'm pretty sure you're assuming things.

I'm hardly open-minded or kind-hearted.

I just happen to be a close-minded dick who thinks there's nothing wrong with gay marriage.

Funny world, right?”

(grins) Props for honesty.

Is that supposed to mean "I win this round, haha, I made you admit you're a dick!"?

Because if so bravo.

You got me to state a fact.

(grins)

@PsychoKnights said:

“The founding fathers called the Brits "redcoats."

Imagine how many hurt feelings there were.”

Yeah, and that was during the War for Independence. I would prefer for the U.S. to find a way to work things out without violence.

(grins)

@PsychoKnights said:

“Except watch him go down the aisle with another man.

What?

Just sayin'.”

(grins) Yeah, I saw that response coming as I typed that comment. I will not compromise my values for a friend, so I guess I shouldn’t have said I’d do anything for him. I should have said I would do anything for him which wouldn’t compromise my moral integrity. Would you give up what you believe in for a friend?

When the cost of "compromising moral integrity" is equal to making your friend happy in a positive light, yeah.

Guess I'm just not a terrible friend.

(grins)

@PsychoKnights said:

“Cap would have gotten used to much, much weirder things.

Compared to Skrulls, gays would probably be a cakewalk.”

(laughs) Funny. Though Cap has adapted to the technological and supernatural developments in the world, his values have always been very much based in the 1930’s 1940’s mindset. I still say he’d be anti-gay marriage.

(laughs)

(grins)

(laughs)

...

(grins)

Probably not.

(laughs)

(grins)

@PsychoKnights said:

“I wasn't saying you were passive aggressive.

Your understand of my understanding of passive aggressive is just wrong.”

I said I would like to see a hero share my viewpoint. You said that would be a passive aggressive thing to do. Your understanding of passive aggressiveness is wrong.

Your understand of my understanding of your understanding of passive aggressive is wrong.

If your beliefs change when your friends dislike it, then you don't really believe much of anything.

Other than that, you didn't really say anything except snark.

Later.

@PsychoKnights said:

If your beliefs change when your friends dislike it, then you don't really believe much of anything.

Well, to be fair.... to be fair....

(grins)

.... to be fair...

...

(grins)

Your beliefs are kind of dickish to your friends in the first place.

@SC said:

@Benuben: Yes, balls for sarcasm, you know sarcasm? Especially after how I advocate this being a good thing for Marvel and Northstar on the prior page **smile** S'all good.

What I was really saying was its funny that some people get so virulent with two consenting adults expressing love for each other, worrying about morality of it all when X-Men comics are rather violent and have lots of heterosexual sex or sexiness in it. Me? I am a total immoral, lazy, pretentious, deviant =p

FAIL! You didn't use the sarcasm font! Shame on you, you...you...you...immoral, lazy, pretentious, deviant! ... ... ... Crap! Deleted the sarcasm font.

@THEBlaqueBasterd said:

@1fearless1: loool your kiddin right? i mean i have my doubts about this nonsense..but dudes been gay since ive been readin x-men.. they didnt "ruin" his (already crappy one dimensional) character asmuch as cynically capitalise on the rise in "gay culture" ..

Ok, that's funny. I don't care who you are!

@cattlebattle said:

Christ.... Its like who can exploit homosexuality first...Marve or DC... the race is on....

a race to the wrong side of town where ya butthole needs protection

@Tintallin said:

@jonnystorm777 said:

I love how whenever anyone says that this is weird or uncalled for, other people always say " homophobic or biggot". It's not wrong not to support this gay marriage thing just because Obama does supports it. You shouldn't have to hide the fact that you don't agree with it. Everyone should respect everyone's decision whether for or against it. Teaching kids morals is important and since comics are for yournger kids they are teaching them that it is okay. It may comfuse children as they grow up. I am just throwing my two cents in here. GO ahead and bash me now!

Well said. If you go back on page 8 and read what I wrote as a response, the whole thread with the original poster, I pretty much said what I felt. I'm not a bigot but you have to put Gay Marriage in the proper context where the law is concerned. The Government tends to propose laws that will never pass because they like to "swat flies with a howitzer." KISS. Keep It Simple, Stupid. Something might get done at the State and Federal level though. It would probably help to make this an intellectual issue as well. As long as it stays in the emotional realm, Gay Marriage will never become law. Ever. If you make it emotional, you piss people off and they'll say no to piss you off. A little off topic for what you posted, but I agree with you. My penny and a half. It ain't worth 2 cents.

Folks for slavery weren't racist. They simply knew blacks were inferior and were "happy" where they were.

Folks against women's right to vote weren't sexist. They just knew that women were lesser citizens compared to men.

Folks against interracial marriage weren't racist. They simply knew that it was against God's natural plan for procreation.

Folks against gay marriage aren't bigoted. They just know that gays are second rate citizens/unnatural/fill in the blank.

Almost every generation has its own civil rights battle. Being aware of history constantly repeating itself progressively, why would anyone choose to be on the wrong side of history? I just don't get it.

Here's a dose of reality for you folks. Gay marriage is advancing faster than ANY civil rights issue in history. In just a few short years by civil rights standards, those of you who are fighting against allowing gay marriage will be doing what those who stood against desegregating schools are doing now: lying about which side you were on.

@Crackdown said:

It always makes me laugh when people differentiate "gays" and lesbians

I swear, I'm not being a jerk, but isn't it defined by the LGBT and not the rest of us? Otherwise it would be GBT. Maybe it is just catchy. And please clarify T. Is it Transgender or Transsexual? I guess I could Google it.

@cbnnexus: Yep, I pretty much agree, mostly. History is a very good guide.

@Crackdown: thank you and by all means save

@cbnnexus said:

Folks for slavery weren't racist. They simply knew blacks were inferior and were "happy" where they were.

Folks against women's right to vote weren't sexist. They just knew that women were lesser citizens compared to men.

Folks against interracial marriage weren't racist. They simply knew that it was against God's natural plan for procreation.

Folks against gay marriage aren't bigoted. They just know that gays are second rate citizens/unnatural/fill in the blank.

Almost every generation has its own civil rights battle. Being aware of history constantly repeating itself progressively, why would anyone choose to be on the wrong side of history? I just don't get it.

Here's a dose of reality for you folks. Gay marriage is advancing faster than ANY civil rights issue in history. In just a few short years by civil rights standards, those of you who are fighting against allowing gay marriage will be doing what those who stood against desegregating schools are doing now: lying about which side you were on.

Whooo! Can I get a AMEN?! Hallelujah!!! Lawd, I couldnt'a said it better myself!!!

Question:

-For those of you who read X-Men and are sickened by all these gay people and their "AGENDA" why do you read X-Men?

For the pretty colors? Did you know it was about people who are hated and feared for being different... did you miss that part?

I don't know, it just seems like you're all missing the point.

Quite honestly, X-Men should've done this long ago, not just because it's safer and popular now, especially when you

consider that storylines, like the Legacy Virus, borrow heavily from gay history and were shown in a sympathetic and

relatable way - you'd think these books, out of them all, should have been at the forefront of proclaiming and promoting

diversity.

@lykopis: thank you! Haha love the post! I'm saving that article :)

Seriously folks, this isn't a big deal. It should only bother you if you harbor hate for gays. I personally don't care about it, but that's just me. Making comics more diverse is never a bad thing. The only reason people are complaining is because gays are the last minority that it's okay to publicly bash. These are the same types of people that bashed Marvel in the 60's when they introduced black Super Heroes. Unfortunately for everyone small minds have large mouths.

@ReddKnave said:

-For those of you who read X-Men and are sickened by all these gay people and their "AGENDA" why do you read X-Men?

Its like they completely missed the whole point of the X-men.

This thread is getting a bit too controversial...

@Tintallin said:

@CircularLogic said:

@pingclang said:

I don't even know what to say. This is so screwed up. I'm sure Kirby, Simon and many of the others we've lost are rolling in their graves. Way to take something as simple and pure as a comic book and make a political, publicity stunt out of it. If Cap goes to that wedding, I will be cancelling all my comics.

I hate it when people claim that Gay marriage is a political issue. It's not. Gay marriage isn't something that the founders of the conservative and liberal ways of thinking have ever discussed, the reason it appears to be political is because you have a certain state of mind that guides your political thinking, which is why most conservative parties are actively against it, because being "conservative" is literally defined as being afraid of change. But at the same time that doesn't mean that just because you are republican you are against gay marriage. The issue is split between parties, but it is not political

No, Gay marriage is mostly a debate between ignorant people and people with decency.

Ignorant people are against it, decent human beings are for it. It's that simple.

@CircularLogic: You said "mostly a debate" so I will give you that one. I'm glad you said "mostly." But here is my Conservative point of view. Bear with me because being for/against gay marriage is circumstantial for me.

There is a little Devil's Advocate thrown in as well...just FYI.

IF you make Gay Marriage a Constitutional issue, as in Constitution of the United States, I am totally and utterly against it. Why? Because it protects the rights of the individual. Period. Not couples, not a certain group, but only one. Also, there is no right under the Constitution of the United States for ANYONE, man, woman, cats and dogs to get married. None. It has been proposed, but it would be a disaster for everyone if it ever passed. Do we really want this or any Congress to say who can get married? And just to be clear, I would be against a Constitutional Amendment that states only a man and woman can be Married. I am against ANY Marriage Amendment at all. It just isn't what the Constitution is for.

On the other hand, if you make it a State issue, a Legal issue, hey, go for it. It has to be Legal, Law, not a State Constitutional Issue. LAW. You get a driver's license. You get a marriage license. That's how I got married. It wasn't the preacher. The Pope could have married me, but without paying my little fee and getting the license, it would not be recognized in any state or province. So...why would I be opposed to two people getting the same license I did as long as they pay the same fee? Who cares what names are on it...John and Jane or John and Bob? Now that is equal protection under the law. Call it a marriage license or call it a Civil Union. I'll let wiser folks work that one out.

I hope you didn't see me as an ass here, but I'm not ignorant (and you did say mostly). I just think that it should be equal and appropriate for all, not some rush to appear "cool" or "politically correct." It just depends on what method we are discussing. And how does that apply to comics?

As for being political or topical, I agree with you mostly. I wouldn't be a fan of Superman suddenly "turning gay" because it just doesn't ring true. If they suddenly said Wonder Woman was gay or Bi, well, I might buy that more because she was raised on an island of women. It would make some sense that she is attracted to women. It would make more sense if she were Bi because she's shown attraction to various men. I'm good with them creating new characters with any diversity to them, but I think it is up to the audience to decide if they stand the test of time.

You make some great points that were thought provoking. I hope I was able to return the favor.

This.

@1fearless1 said:

What the hell is wrong with these comic book companies? This is DISGUSTING. Way to ruin a character.

I NOW officially stop buying comics! Thanks to you Morons!

Why so homophobic?

i think this is awesome. i really do think that gay marriage won't even be an issue much longer. and i thank marvel for being so progressive. maybe i will be able to get married someday..

ggrumblegrumble WHAT?! GAYS?! IN COMICBOKS?!

OH NO!

@SC said:

Dear Marvel

Every night I read your X-Men comics to my little brothers and sisters, and I have used it to instill in them a sense of morality and justice, that all good, little believers should have. They are only 4, 6, 7, 8, the triplets are 10, 12, 15, 25 and 40. Lots of lil ones. Anyway we have experienced good storylines, like when Magneto ripped out the very bones from Wolverine, (lil Billy Jim Bob Billy Junior Junior was a little spooked by a man having his bones ripped though his pores) and bad storylines (that depraved heathen slut Emma Frost skanking up the place, oh boy she just needs a strong man to set her right, turkey sandwich I am glad that Cyclops is setting her and her villainous ways right) but through all the stories featuring chainsaws cutting arms and limbs off, decapitation, suicide, murder, heterosexual sex, homosexual sex, people impaled, necks being snapped, aliens ripping out from characters chests, eyes ripped out, spines broken, and all that freaky Chuck Austen stuff, I have relied on your book NOT having any immoral actions and attitudes in it. To attack the sanctity of marriage is one step too far. Consider your book and company boycotted.

An upstanding concerned morally sound citizen.

Have I mentioned how much I love you lately 0.0

@VioletPhoenix said:

I find it repugnant that there are people on here, avid comic book fans and readers, who read stories set in worlds where superheroes, more often than not, do not discriminate against each other or the public, to them a life is a life. Case in point Cap supporting Hulkling and Wiccan in Children's Crusade "I have NO problem with that."

This was a natural progression for Northstar who's been in a stable relationship with a non-mutant since 2009. Marvel announced nuptials a while ago, this is no surprise. The REAL surprise comes from the ignorance, hate and disgust that some users on this thread are displaying. While you are entitled to your opinions, try to tone down the venom, this is a beautiful occasion, and in a world where superheroes bite the dust every now and again WHY THE HELL WOULDN'T THEY SEIZE THE DAY AND GET EFFING MARRIED?!

Not to mention as well that comics have been a safe-zone of acceptance and tolerance and that is a big reason why many seek solace in their pages, because differences are celebrated, readers escape the harshness of the world when they pick up a book and jump right in. That includes people from all walks of life, such as gay people, who find the accepting world of comics an escape from a not as 100% accepting real world.

Marvel is spreading the idea among many factions, that they support gay marriage, that ACCEPTANCE rather than tolerance is the way to go. How can that be wrong? Open-mindedness and accepting the different is what is being broadcast, open-mindedness and accepting the different ARE WHAT MAKE COMICS THE ESCAPE WE LOVE and are what comics are about. Let alone the X-Men, anyone who has felt like a freak for being different has found comfort in their stories and pages and this wedding adds to the support we feel, I know i will. Why wouldn't the X-Men be on board? Of course they would, they're not ignorant bigots, they accept the different. And Wolverine has never been irked by anything gay, as he is beyond petty shit like that, he's never had a problem with that stuff because it isn't a problem. Don't make this a political issue on here, it's a comic book site, keep your venom to yourself if it really disgusts you.

<3 This.

@cbnnexus said:

Honestly, I don't think Marvel even wants these bigots as fans. The entire reasoning and message behind the X-Men books is tolerance and acceptance for those who are different and especially for those who were born different. It's been that way since the 60s.

Why would you want to be the ignorant bigot in this scenario? Or, in the X-Men comics, the equivalent of a "mutie-hater"? Why choose to be the villains? Why choose to be on the wrong side of history? I'll never understand.

If you insist on ignorance and hatred and disgust, please feel free to stop buying the comics. We insist. We don't want you.

@cbnnexus said:

@Tintallin said:

@jonnystorm777 said:

I love how whenever anyone says that this is weird or uncalled for, other people always say " homophobic or biggot". It's not wrong not to support this gay marriage thing just because Obama does supports it. You shouldn't have to hide the fact that you don't agree with it. Everyone should respect everyone's decision whether for or against it. Teaching kids morals is important and since comics are for yournger kids they are teaching them that it is okay. It may comfuse children as they grow up. I am just throwing my two cents in here. GO ahead and bash me now!

Well said. If you go back on page 8 and read what I wrote as a response, the whole thread with the original poster, I pretty much said what I felt. I'm not a bigot but you have to put Gay Marriage in the proper context where the law is concerned. The Government tends to propose laws that will never pass because they like to "swat flies with a howitzer." KISS. Keep It Simple, Stupid. Something might get done at the State and Federal level though. It would probably help to make this an intellectual issue as well. As long as it stays in the emotional realm, Gay Marriage will never become law. Ever. If you make it emotional, you piss people off and they'll say no to piss you off. A little off topic for what you posted, but I agree with you. My penny and a half. It ain't worth 2 cents.

Folks for slavery weren't racist. They simply knew blacks were inferior and were "happy" where they were.

Folks against women's right to vote weren't sexist. They just knew that women were lesser citizens compared to men.

Folks against interracial marriage weren't racist. They simply knew that it was against God's natural plan for procreation.

Folks against gay marriage aren't bigoted. They just know that gays are second rate citizens/unnatural/fill in the blank.

Almost every generation has its own civil rights battle. Being aware of history constantly repeating itself progressively, why would anyone choose to be on the wrong side of history? I just don't get it.

Here's a dose of reality for you folks. Gay marriage is advancing faster than ANY civil rights issue in history. In just a few short years by civil rights standards, those of you who are fighting against allowing gay marriage will be doing what those who stood against desegregating schools are doing now: lying about which side you were on.

So well said.

To the three of you:

'S!

And to JP, mon ami Canadien... toi sournois, toi! de se marier après toutes ces années de vos moyens scandolous! ohhh c'est un histoire d'amour merveilleux ! c'est bon! Tout le meilleur pour toi! <3 <3 <3

@Raiiyn: Thank you. You are too kind.

totally just realized I spoke franglais.. oh wellz..

@Tintallin: I like me some decent people what can I say ;P

@Raiiyn: It's all good. I used Google Translator. :D

C'est tout bon. J'ai utilisé Google Translator. :D

@Raiiyn Thanks :P

@Raiiyn:

Have you actually read Astonishing #50, Raiiyn?

Worst reaction by a person being proposed to EVER!!!...of any sexual orientation!

Some of the worst writing I've ever seen that was ever published. A total rip-of of gimmickry and the customers aren't buying it here. We sold less copies of issue #50 than we did of issue #49.

I guess the early buyers told their fan friends that this book is a total piece of $#IT!

MARVEL SUCKS BALLS!!!...

LITERALLY!

I gonna wait for the DCNEW52 issue where Apollo marries the Midnighter on the Roof of the Daily Planet while all the Dc Heroes attend.

@AskaniSon295 said:

I gonna wait for the DCNEW52 issue where Apollo marries the Midnighter on the Roof of the Daily Planet while all the Dc Heroes attend.

That'll never happen and you know it! I don't think the power structure at DC is as stupid as it is at Marvel. Time Warner at least has a clue what DC Comics is doing.

Disney owns Marvel now and doesn't give a rat's A$$ what their bloated tax write-off does.

@PsychoKnights:

I don't know you, but I'll listen to you because you have a decent vocabulary.

InnerVenom, on the other hand, has the vocabulary of a second grader...so I stopped paying attention to him a long time ago. I don't think he does much reading outside of twitter.

@Roxanne Starr: Thanks.

I don't think InnerVenom is an idiot; he's just a dick by his own admission. He might have had good reasons for his views, but we'll never know because he apparently thinks it is better to make mocking comments than actually engage his brain. I suspect he has a brain, he is just too much of a douche to use it.

@PsychoKnights said:

@Roxanne Starr: Thanks.

I don't think InnerVenom is an idiot; he's just a dick by his own admission. He might have had good reasons for his views, but we'll never know because he apparently thinks it is better to make mocking comments than actually engage his brain. I suspect he has a brain, he is just too much of a douche to use it.

I didn't say he was an idiot. I said he had a poor vocabulary...which means he isn't well educated.

He may have the opportunity to BECOME better educated, but it doesn't look as though he's making use of that opportunity.

@jonnystorm777 said:

I love how whenever anyone says that this is weird or uncalled for, other people always say " homophobic or biggot". It's not wrong not to support this gay marriage thing just because Obama does supports it. You shouldn't have to hide the fact that you don't agree with it. Everyone should respect everyone's decision whether for or against it. Teaching kids morals is important and since comics are for yournger kids they are teaching them that it is okay. It may comfuse children as they grow up. I am just throwing my two cents in here. GO ahead and bash me now!

Yes, we should teach our children instead to judge people and ostracise them for being different. Let's just create a new generation of Hitler's and have the children massacre those that are different! Yes, that's the perfect solution =)

@jonnystorm777 said:

@The Mighty Monarch: Yeah, but where will it stop next. What happens when creepy child molesters are seen as someone that is just in love. It's immoral and shouldn't be in comics. I was raised from a pastor who taught me right from wrong. Always taught to love and respect everyone. But I am now the bad guy because I don't agree with what a small part of the U.S.A thinks should me considered moral all of the sudden. Maybe I am old fashioned, but I think marriage should be between a man and woman. Hate me for it, I am just telling the truth about what I believe. Does anyone understand what I mean?

Child molesters are sick. And I understand that you are Christian and all but umm, yea.. the world isn't. The world is not full of people who abide by the 10 commandments, recite the rosary and go to church regularly. And it is not a small part. I do not think you realize how large the gay community is getting and that they deserve respect and are entitled to human rights just like anyone else... OHH WAIT! That brings something to mind... The 10 commandments are like the basic break down of what God wants from his people right? So like.. Why isn't there a commandment that says "Thou shall not have coitus with another of your own sex"? Just saying.. if it's soo wrong and immoral why didn't God make it one of the big 10 rules?

On a side note. I am Pro-gay marriage. But I also believe that religion has it's own beliefs. If a church does not want to marry a gay couple, you cannot force the religion to change. Law is different though. Law is not affected by the views or practices of a religion. There is no reason why a man and a man or woman and woman should not be allowed to wed by law. Everyone is entitled to happiness and the benefits that a marriage can provide.

@jonnystorm777 said:

@1fearless1 said:

What the hell is wrong with these comic book companies? This is DISGUSTING. Way to ruin a character.

I NOW officially stop buying comics! Thanks to you Morons!

I agree, trying to keep up with the politically correctness of america these days. Show some respect to the young kids who might read this and think that it's ok for them to experiment with their best friend. Shame on you Marvel.

Right. For one, Northstar has been openly gay forever so what is being ruined here? Second, comics are violent. They are graphically violent. Marvel's characters also happen to change lovers frequently and most marriages fall apart quickly. So.... Are you really saying shame on Marvel for having two characters who care about each other make a commitment? Is that really so horrible compared to everything else in comics? Like seriously... Marriage vs. frequent sex partner changes & gore.. Yea, I think that the latter is much worse for children to read about.

@Roxanne Starr: I can't say that I have read it but the story should of been epic. =( I hate when they don't do love stories right.. mind you I wasn't a big fan of the art. JP looks pretty ugly.

@Roxanne Starr said:

MARVEL SUCKS BALLS!!!...

LITERALLY!

madghloadhgipwaeolkgvadhlhgpdiajdgfdknlaijeuihadklg

DC>Marvel.

@k4tzm4n: Ahaha <3 the pic.

@lykopis said:

@Raiiyn: Ahem....

Marvel>DC

Notice I don't need to put it in bold? Just kinda -- understood, ya know?

(runs from thread like I usually do when Raiiyn shows up...)

**chases after lyko with mjolnir**

Lots of passionate responses to this. :) I'm a little confused over the need to issue a press release for this, but I applaud Marvel for taking the step to let Northstar get hitched. Marriage should not be a political issue, but the fact remains that so long as a bunch of old men in expensive suits make the rules the rest of us must follow, whatever they don't like (whether that is gay marriage or birth control) will be politicized. *shrug*

George Takei wins the internet: 

@Raiiyn said:

@lykopis said:

@Raiiyn: Ahem....

Marvel>DC

Notice I don't need to put it in bold? Just kinda -- understood, ya know?

(runs from thread like I usually do when Raiiyn shows up...)

**chases after lyko with mjolnir**

Please, carry on. This is very interesting from all perspectives!

@k4tzm4n: Both those images you posted are pure win.

@k4tzm4n said:

George Takei wins the internet:

Stolen for great justice.

@k4tzm4n said:

George Takei wins the internet:

but but the Punisher > the X-men :(
BB

You know, it's funny when people say "Someone please thinks of the children" when a lot of comic books contained cannibalism, spine-ripping, decapitation, and jay-walking, yet it's somehow immoral for them to have 2 people in love. Those who don't agree with it just don't buy the books. People have always made fun of comic books readers, so I would assume some understanding from our fellow geeks, but I guess it's asking too much. I'm happy that Northstar is finally getting married. I like to see 2 people in love regardless of gender. I'm still hoping for Cyclops and Emma to tie the knot soon as well. :3

decent looking pages might look into this one

OMG, I just realize Hulkling and Wiccan have the exact same conversation when they propose to each other.

but i don't care about this .... gay marriage is ok in my book :D