Marvel Announces Landmark X-Men Marriage [Spoilers]

@jonnystorm777 said:

@1fearless1 said:

What the hell is wrong with these comic book companies? This is DISGUSTING. Way to ruin a character.

I NOW officially stop buying comics! Thanks to you Morons!

I agree, trying to keep up with the politically correctness of america these days. Show some respect to the young kids who might read this and think that it's ok for them to experiment with their best friend. Shame on you Marvel.

Yes, two people getting married means that all the children will start f**king like rabbits.

@jonnystorm777 said:

@The Mighty Monarch: Yeah, but where will it stop next. What happens when creepy child molesters are seen as someone that is just in love. It's immoral and shouldn't be in comics. I was raised from a pastor who taught me right from wrong. Always taught to love and respect everyone. But I am now the bad guy because I don't agree with what a small part of the U.S.A thinks should me considered moral all of the sudden. Maybe I am old fashioned, but I think marriage should be between a man and woman. Hate me for it, I am just telling the truth about what I believe. Does anyone understand what I mean?

If you were taught to love and respect everyone, can you love and respect homosexuals even if you disagree with what they do? What I believe is moral hinges a lot on how it affects other people. When two people of the same gender are in love with each other, who is harmed there? I'm not even talking about a society level; TWO PEOPLE. Where is the 'victim' in this 'immorality? Child molesters are completely different, that's why the word MOLESTER is in there. An adult molester is just as bad, a molester is a molester; and a child can't give true consent, it's not the same thing AT ALL. Two grown men or women can give consent. CONSENT is where it stops. People used the say the same thing about interracial couples, do you have a problem with them?

But again I ask you, if you disagree, can you love them anyways? Do you condemn homosexuals and wish harm upon them of any kind? If so THEN you would be a bigot. If you simply think it's wrong but don't go around hating, that's your opinion and whatever. People will ALWAYS disagree about things. It's when hate steps in when direct harm is not being caused that people turn on you.

And I think you mean it shouldn't be in 'mainstream' comics, because there are things FAR MORE depraved than this in comics, and far from all comics are for kids.

@jonnystorm777 said:

It creeps me out to think that in the future Iceman could turn gay for wolverine and wolverine would have to chop off his ice pecker. Anything could happen. I guess they are trying to fit in here.

This is f**king hilarious.

Bravo.

While I myself, personally do not agree with homosexuality; I don't believe being gay makes you any less of a person...So on that note... Northstar has been openly gay for years, and after all of the aliens, demons, deities, etc. It shouldn't really be suprising that he decides to make a move like this (or his writers...you know what i mean). So long as marvel ensures that Northstar retains all of the aspects that make him a great character doesn't become solely defined by this one aspect I'll see where it goes. Batwoman was DC's "lesbian Posterchild" and truthfully she is one of my favorite characters to read about in comics so far.

POINT BLANK COMICS IS ABOUT TELLING A STORY(IES) PEOPLE CARE ABOUT AND MAKING THEM IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE WHO READ THEM. CHARACTERS AND THEIR INTERACTION WITH THE SOCIETY ARE APART OF IS WHAT MAKES FOR GREAT STORYTELLING. While my personal beliefs may conflict with this specific area; lets face it, comics are suppposed to push the envelope. If they did not you wouldn't read them. Plain and simple.

And seriously; as much as people gripe about gay marriage, people tend to neglect the fact that in this day and age many of we "hetrosexuals" can't stay married for more than a year without filing for divorce (kids or not) when gay men and women were having "life partners" before same sex marriage was legal. A tragic realization (in my opinion), But it's true

In essence, the media is going to make a big deal out of it regardless, as long as Northstar retains the same qualities that made him a great character i'll just treat this as another chapter in Jean Paul's story.

What the hell is wrong with these comic book companies? This is DISGUSTING. Way to ruin a character.

I NOW officially stop buying comics! Thanks to you Morons!

You know what I want to know? How often is it that a villain attacks during a wedding or a funeral? You would assume that with all these superheroes in one spot, villains would be free to run amuck elsewhere.

apollo and midnighter. That's a couple.

@SC: It is true comics overall have jumped up the maturity level, but they our just trying to keep up with a fast growing customers. There are still comics for kids, just not many of them from the big brands like X-Men.

@SC said:

Dear Marvel

Every night I read your X-Men comics to my little brothers and sisters, and I have used it to instill in them a sense of morality and justice, that all good, little believers should have. They are only 4, 6, 7, 8, the triplets are 10, 12, 15, 25 and 40. Lots of lil ones. Anyway we have experienced good storylines, like when Magneto ripped out the very bones from Wolverine, (lil Billy Jim Bob Billy Junior Junior was a little spooked by a man having his bones ripped though his pores) and bad storylines (that depraved heathen slut Emma Frost skanking up the place, oh boy she just needs a strong man to set her right, turkey sandwich I am glad that Cyclops is setting her and her villainous ways right) but through all the stories featuring chainsaws cutting arms and limbs off, decapitation, suicide, murder, heterosexual sex, homosexual sex, people impaled, necks being snapped, aliens ripping out from characters chests, eyes ripped out, spines broken, and all that freaky Chuck Austen stuff, I have relied on your book NOT having any immoral actions and attitudes in it. To attack the sanctity of marriage is one step too far. Consider your book and company boycotted.

An upstanding concerned morally sound citizen.

I love you.

@202122 said:

Personally i like how iceman refuses to sit or stand

NO he has to be standing above everyone else on his ice path

Douche

I found this surprisingly hilarious.

@SC said:

Dear Marvel

Every night I read your X-Men comics to my little brothers and sisters, and I have used it to instill in them a sense of morality and justice, that all good, little believers should have. They are only 4, 6, 7, 8, the triplets are 10, 12, 15, 25 and 40. Lots of lil ones. Anyway we have experienced good storylines, like when Magneto ripped out the very bones from Wolverine, (lil Billy Jim Bob Billy Junior Junior was a little spooked by a man having his bones ripped though his pores) and bad storylines (that depraved heathen slut Emma Frost skanking up the place, oh boy she just needs a strong man to set her right, turkey sandwich I am glad that Cyclops is setting her and her villainous ways right) but through all the stories featuring chainsaws cutting arms and limbs off, decapitation, suicide, murder, heterosexual sex, homosexual sex, people impaled, necks being snapped, aliens ripping out from characters chests, eyes ripped out, spines broken, and all that freaky Chuck Austen stuff, I have relied on your book NOT having any immoral actions and attitudes in it. To attack the sanctity of marriage is one step too far. Consider your book and company boycotted.

An upstanding concerned morally sound citizen.

You just said, that two people getting married, because they are in love is immoral and then you have balls, to call yourself

"An upstanding concerned morally sound citizen"?

lol wow.

Northstar has words for all y'all haters:

*runs away*

That's kinda gay.
BB

Seems like a terrible pr stunt . I don't x-men comics because it feels like bad soap opera .. This just proves that point .

@1fearless1: loool your kiddin right? i mean i have my doubts about this nonsense..but dudes been gay since ive been readin x-men.. they didnt "ruin" his (already crappy one dimensional) character asmuch as cynically capitalise on the rise in "gay culture" ..

I agree on the timing part. I think it's great that Northstar is getting married and I also agree on the point that it's natural progression. I think some people will have an issue with it but that's their problem. But I also agree that people will be cynical about the timing. Especially as it's Marvel and their current attitude of doing anything to get readers (hello A v X!).

On who it was going to be everybody in the world said it would be Northstar it's not like it's a big reveal. Also have to say I really dislike the art on this. It makes Northstar look just plain ugly and the guys a looker!

@cattlebattle: How do you mean? The character has been gay for years. If you mean the recent presidential nonsense on gay marriage, Marvel usually plans stories a least a few months in advance, so this was probably written way before this month and current events.

@Webjaker: You sure its not the media that is making a big deal out of this seeing as how its relevant to current events and the fact that a lot of people have heard of the X-Men? (Even if they have no clue who Northstar is.)

DC on the other hand feels reactionary and knee jerky, but maybe it was a plan since the reboot?

Odd, I thought Marvel was bought by Disney. Turns out they were bought by Bravo.

Is anyone else more upset that Northstar looks like a Vulcan than the fact that Marvel is exploiting gay marriage to make more money?

I find it repugnant that there are people on here, avid comic book fans and readers, who read stories set in worlds where superheroes, more often than not, do not discriminate against each other or the public, to them a life is a life. Case in point Cap supporting Hulkling and Wiccan in Children's Crusade "I have NO problem with that."

This was a natural progression for Northstar who's been in a stable relationship with a non-mutant since 2009. Marvel announced nuptials a while ago, this is no surprise. The REAL surprise comes from the ignorance, hate and disgust that some users on this thread are displaying. While you are entitled to your opinions, try to tone down the venom, this is a beautiful occasion, and in a world where superheroes bite the dust every now and again WHY THE HELL WOULDN'T THEY SEIZE THE DAY AND GET EFFING MARRIED?!

Not to mention as well that comics have been a safe-zone of acceptance and tolerance and that is a big reason why many seek solace in their pages, because differences are celebrated, readers escape the harshness of the world when they pick up a book and jump right in. That includes people from all walks of life, such as gay people, who find the accepting world of comics an escape from a not as 100% accepting real world.

Marvel is spreading the idea among many factions, that they support gay marriage, that ACCEPTANCE rather than tolerance is the way to go. How can that be wrong? Open-mindedness and accepting the different is what is being broadcast, open-mindedness and accepting the different ARE WHAT MAKE COMICS THE ESCAPE WE LOVE and are what comics are about. Let alone the X-Men, anyone who has felt like a freak for being different has found comfort in their stories and pages and this wedding adds to the support we feel, I know i will. Why wouldn't the X-Men be on board? Of course they would, they're not ignorant bigots, they accept the different. And Wolverine has never been irked by anything gay, as he is beyond petty shit like that, he's never had a problem with that stuff because it isn't a problem. Don't make this a political issue on here, it's a comic book site, keep your venom to yourself if it really disgusts you.

Good I'm glad I don't buy this crap...

Right really exciting, and hasn't this kind of already happened I mean didn't Hulkling propose to Wiccan in the Children's crusade and is that puck? I thought he was dead.?

To me, the problem is that these characters are horribly BORING. I couldn't care any less for either of them.. especially Kyle. Who is he? Why should I care? I found the dialog between the two of them agonizing in the last issue where Northstar is carrying him through the city. It has nothing to do with being gay, it has to do with the fact that there is so much attention being paid to characters that no one cares about! I was fine with the Cyclops/Jean wedding, the Spidey and MJ wedding, etc because I actually give a crap about those characters

@VioletPhoenix said:

I find it repugnant that there are people on here, avid comic book fans and readers, who read stories set in worlds where superheroes, more often than not, do not discriminate against each other or the public, to them a life is a life. Case in point Cap supporting Hulkling and Wiccan in Children's Crusade "I have NO problem with that."

This was a natural progression for Northstar who's been in a stable relationship with a non-mutant since 2009. Marvel announced nuptials a while ago, this is no surprise. The REAL surprise comes from the ignorance, hate and disgust that some users on this thread are displaying. While you are entitled to your opinions, try to tone down the venom, this is a beautiful occasion, and in a world where superheroes bite the dust every now and again WHY THE HELL WOULDN'T THEY SEIZE THE DAY AND GET EFFING MARRIED?!

Not to mention as well that comics have been a safe-zone of acceptance and tolerance and that is a big reason why many seek solace in their pages, because differences are celebrated, readers escape the harshness of the world when they pick up a book and jump right in. That includes people from all walks of life, such as gay people, who find the accepting world of comics an escape from a not as 100% accepting real world.

Marvel is spreading the idea among many factions, that they support gay marriage, that ACCEPTANCE rather than tolerance is the way to go. How can that be wrong? Open-mindedness and accepting the different is what is being broadcast, open-mindedness and accepting the different ARE WHAT MAKE COMICS THE ESCAPE WE LOVE and are what comics are about. Let alone the X-Men, anyone who has felt like a freak for being different has found comfort in their stories and pages and this wedding adds to the support we feel, I know i will. Why wouldn't the X-Men be on board? Of course they would, they're not ignorant bigots, they accept the different. And Wolverine has never been irked by anything gay, as he is beyond petty shit like that, he's never had a problem with that stuff because it isn't a problem. Don't make this a political issue on here, it's a comic book site, keep your venom to yourself if it really disgusts you.

This.

Honestly, I don't think Marvel even wants these bigots as fans. The entire reasoning and message behind the X-Men books is tolerance and acceptance for those who are different and especially for those who were born different. It's been that way since the 60s.

Why would you want to be the ignorant bigot in this scenario? Or, in the X-Men comics, the equivalent of a "mutie-hater"? Why choose to be the villains? Why choose to be on the wrong side of history? I'll never understand.

If you insist on ignorance and hatred and disgust, please feel free to stop buying the comics. We insist. We don't want you.

@VioletPhoenix said:

I find it repugnant that there are people on here, avid comic book fans and readers, who read stories set in worlds where superheroes, more often than not, do not discriminate against each other or the public, to them a life is a life. Case in point Cap supporting Hulkling and Wiccan in Children's Crusade "I have NO problem with that."

This was a natural progression for Northstar who's been in a stable relationship with a non-mutant since 2009. Marvel announced nuptials a while ago, this is no surprise. The REAL surprise comes from the ignorance, hate and disgust that some users on this thread are displaying. While you are entitled to your opinions, try to tone down the venom, this is a beautiful occasion, and in a world where superheroes bite the dust every now and again WHY THE HELL WOULDN'T THEY SEIZE THE DAY AND GET EFFING MARRIED?!

Not to mention as well that comics have been a safe-zone of acceptance and tolerance and that is a big reason why many seek solace in their pages, because differences are celebrated, readers escape the harshness of the world when they pick up a book and jump right in. That includes people from all walks of life, such as gay people, who find the accepting world of comics an escape from a not as 100% accepting real world.

Marvel is spreading the idea among many factions, that they support gay marriage, that ACCEPTANCE rather than tolerance is the way to go. How can that be wrong? Open-mindedness and accepting the different is what is being broadcast, open-mindedness and accepting the different ARE WHAT MAKE COMICS THE ESCAPE WE LOVE and are what comics are about. Let alone the X-Men, anyone who has felt like a freak for being different has found comfort in their stories and pages and this wedding adds to the support we feel, I know i will. Why wouldn't the X-Men be on board? Of course they would, they're not ignorant bigots, they accept the different. And Wolverine has never been irked by anything gay, as he is beyond petty shit like that, he's never had a problem with that stuff because it isn't a problem. Don't make this a political issue on here, it's a comic book site, keep your venom to yourself if it really disgusts you.

You, I MUST folllow and thank you. Pretty much made what I was going to add to this thread superfluous.

Oh --- except for this:

http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Marvel+superhero+Northstar+marry+longtime+boyfriend/6660138/story.htmlHas some interesting information in regards to gay marriages in the comics world (the first was in 2002 and in the DC side of things) and Liu's hints as to how the ceremony will unfold...

WOOHOO!! Here's to the happy couple! Bring on the festivities, Marvel, you sure made this fan one happy camper. I love these two.

Félicitations pour le mariage prochain!!!

I want to be happy about this but my pessimism is telling me some bigoted writer will screw the marriage up at some point.

@cattlebattle Yeah, just like Spider-Man and MJ. Not a good point.

I honestly don't care whom is marrying whom, what does bug me is that Marvel is only doing it to be 'cool' and the marriage will break up in some fashion less than a month later.

NOBODY IN COMICS CARE ABOUT MARRIAGES! So, a pox on them.

@cattlebattle So, only well-known characters can get married. And if they're not well-known, they both have to be superheroes. Are those the rules that you just made up? :) lol

@cattlebattle So, only well-known characters can get married. And if they're not well-known, they both have to be superheroes. Are those the rules that you just made up? :) lol

@deadpool25mm said:

@Darkmount1: if u think its ok to be gay then ur !@#$ed up... its not nature of a man to be with a man,its sick and disgusting..

@WeaponX619: then the world would be gay.. lol ,literly. im against all this gay stuff, its sick to see a man with a man and some acting like women , people think they are born like that and thats not true.

You do know that lesbians are homosexual as well too, right?

It always makes me laugh when people differentiate "gays" and lesbians

On a scientific and NATURE note, homosexuality occurs ALL the time in Nature.Giraffes, several species of fish, simians, birds, dolphins, ect.

This is nature.

@VioletPhoenix said:

I find it repugnant that there are people on here, avid comic book fans and readers, who read stories set in worlds where superheroes, more often than not, do not discriminate against each other or the public, to them a life is a life. Case in point Cap supporting Hulkling and Wiccan in Children's Crusade "I have NO problem with that."

This was a natural progression for Northstar who's been in a stable relationship with a non-mutant since 2009. Marvel announced nuptials a while ago, this is no surprise. The REAL surprise comes from the ignorance, hate and disgust that some users on this thread are displaying. While you are entitled to your opinions, try to tone down the venom, this is a beautiful occasion, and in a world where superheroes bite the dust every now and again WHY THE HELL WOULDN'T THEY SEIZE THE DAY AND GET EFFING MARRIED?!

Not to mention as well that comics have been a safe-zone of acceptance and tolerance and that is a big reason why many seek solace in their pages, because differences are celebrated, readers escape the harshness of the world when they pick up a book and jump right in. That includes people from all walks of life, such as gay people, who find the accepting world of comics an escape from a not as 100% accepting real world.

Marvel is spreading the idea among many factions, that they support gay marriage, that ACCEPTANCE rather than tolerance is the way to go. How can that be wrong? Open-mindedness and accepting the different is what is being broadcast, open-mindedness and accepting the different ARE WHAT MAKE COMICS THE ESCAPE WE LOVE and are what comics are about. Let alone the X-Men, anyone who has felt like a freak for being different has found comfort in their stories and pages and this wedding adds to the support we feel, I know i will. Why wouldn't the X-Men be on board? Of course they would, they're not ignorant bigots, they accept the different. And Wolverine has never been irked by anything gay, as he is beyond petty shit like that, he's never had a problem with that stuff because it isn't a problem. Don't make this a political issue on here, it's a comic book site, keep your venom to yourself if it really disgusts you.

You really said that very well. I enjoyed reading that.

Thank you, may I save this quote?

@AlKusanagi said:

What the hell is this preposterous garbage?!?

Muties shouldn't be allowed to marry!!!

And the award for intentional irony award goes to... this guy! /\

I don't get any of the people here saying that certain X-men characters wouldn't approve of this. I mean when you think of it the entire X-men history has been a metaphor for the civil rights movement. When you've had to fight for your own rights you are usually a little more sensitive towards the oppressed rights of others (generally, of course).

I'm not upset about Marvel hyping this, companies will always try to get all the publicity they can, I'm just kinda sad that this story could be a source of publicity and not just a story in and of itself. The fact that they could make a huge deal of a marriage between two relatively small characters, simply because they are the same gender further pushes how unequal gay and straight rights are.

I wish it wasn't a big deal and just aloud to be a plot point like everything else that happens in comics. A marriage to advance a characters story, gender not being an issue at all.

But I suppose it has to be a shocking issue before people can just start to take things at face value and truly let things be equal.

@PsychoKnights

So, in your opinion, everybody who disagrees with homosexuality is a douchebag?

Basically, yeah.

Although more specifically, Captain America and Superman are just genuinely nice and accepting people.

So it'd be out of character to bother being passive-agressive towards gays and saying "Oh, you're fine, just don't get married because I don't want you too."

i see this as shock value but hey I may be wrong.

@InnerVenom123 said:

@PsychoKnights

So, in your opinion, everybody who disagrees with homosexuality is a douchebag?

Basically, yeah.

Although more specifically, Captain America and Superman are just genuinely nice and accepting people.

So it'd be out of character to bother being passive-agressive towards gays and saying "Oh, you're fine, just don't get married because I don't want you too."

@InnerVenom123: Wow! You finally managed to say something. Good for you! (for those of you reading at home, InnerVenom was refusing to talk to me in PM's. Apparently, he likes an audience)

First, let's compare the way I've handled this issue with the way you've handled it. I politely stated my opinion on the thread, and then politely responded with my reasoning to anybody who commented back to me.

You gave little reason for your views and call me a douchebag.

Yet, I suspect, you probably think you are the open-minded kind-hearted one in this discussion.

Look, if we can't civilly discuss issues without resorting to name calling to those who have views we don't like, then we are doomed as a nation.

Second, Captain America and Superman are nice and accepting people, but just because you accept something doesn't mean you agree with it. I've got friends who go out, get wasted, hook up randomly, never call the girls back, and snort crack occasionally. Do I accept this? Yes. Do I agree with it? No. Also, you can disagree with someone and still be nice to them. Granted, you seem to be unable to do that to me, but I and a liberal lady here at work have had many wonderful and cordial political conversations. My best friend is gay (well, bi technically), and we disagree on some of this stuff, but I still love him like a brother, and he knows I'd do anything for him.

So, Captain America and Superman (or anybody for that matter) can be accepting and nice while disagreeing with people's actions.

Regarding Superman, I'd say it would be a toss up whether or not he would approve of gay marriage. I'd guess he probably would. Captain America on the other hand was raised in the thirties and forties, and I don't think for a second that his views would be pro-gay marriage, but granted everyone has their own view of the characters.

Third, your understanding of passive agressiveness is just plain wrong. I'm unashamedly stating my view and I'm welcoming any discussion on the subject. There is nothing passive about that. Nor am I being overly agressive. I stated my views calmly, and I've only used moderate sarcasm in responding to you or anyone else (and the other party has always started with the rude comments before I break out the sarcasm).

Can't wait for this comic reach Brasil...maybe in 1 or 2 years?

>.<"

@PsychoKnights said:

@InnerVenom123: Wow! You finally managed to say something. Good for you! (for those of you reading at home, InnerVenom was refusing to talk to me in PM's. Apparently, he likes an audience)

If you wanna look at it that way, sure.

Debate over PM is pointless.

Thankfully I dragged you here.

@PsychoKnights said:

First, let's compare the way I've handled this issue with the way you've handled it. I politely stated my opinion on the thread, and then politely responded with my reasoning to anybody who commented back to me.

You gave no reason for your views and call me a douchebag.

Yet, I suspect, you probably think you are the open-minded kind-hearted one in this discussion.

Nope.

I'm pretty sure you're assuming things.

I'm hardly open-minded or kind-hearted.

I just happen to be a close-minded dick who thinks there's nothing wrong with gay marriage.

Funny world, right?

@PsychoKnights said:

Look, if we can't civilly discuss issues without resorting to name calling to those who have views we don't like, then we are doomed as a nation.

The founding fathers called the Brits "redcoats."

Imagine how many hurt feelings there were.

@PsychoKnights said:

Second, Captain America and Superman are nice and accepting people, but just because you accept something doesn't mean you agree with it. I've got friends who go out, get wasted, hook up randomly, never call the girls back, and snort crack occasionally. Do I accept this? Yes. Do I agree with it? No. Also, you can disagree with someone and still be nice to them. Granted, you seem to be unable to do that to me, but I and a liberal lady here at work have had many wonderful and cordial political conversations. My best friend is gay (well, bi technically), and we disagree on some of this stuff, but I still love him like a brother, and he knows I'd do anything for him.

Except watch him go down the aisle with another man.

What?

Just sayin'.

@PsychoKnights said:

So, Captain America and Superman (or anybody for that matter) can be accepting and nice while disagreeing with people's actions.

Regarding Superman, I'd say it would be a toss up whether or not he would approve of gay marriage. I'd guess he probably would. Captain America on the other hand was raised in the thirties and forties, and I don't think for a second that his views would be pro-gay marriage, but granted everyone has their own view of the characters.

Cap would have gotten used to much, much weirder things.

Compared to Skrulls, gays would probably be a cakewalk.

@PsychoKnights said:

Third, your understanding of passive agressiveness is just plain wrong. I'm unashamedly stating my view and I'm welcoming any discussion on the subject. There is nothing passive about that. Nor am I being overly agressive. I stated my views calmly, and I've only used moderate sarcasm in responding to you or anyone else (and the other party has always started with the rude comments).

I wasn't saying you were passive aggressive.

Your understand of my understanding of passive aggressive is just wrong.

Ivy goin' hard.

@InnerVenom123:

“If you wanna look at it that way, sure.

Debate over PM is pointless.

Thankfully I dragged you here.”

Debate over PM is not pointless if your goal is to learn more about others views, practice your debating skills, or try to share a different point of view with someone. It is pointless if you just want to make pithy comments to look cool.

“Nope.

I'm pretty sure you're assuming things.

I'm hardly open-minded or kind-hearted.

I just happen to be a close-minded dick who thinks there's nothing wrong with gay marriage.

Funny world, right?”

(grins) Props for honesty.

“The founding fathers called the Brits "redcoats."

Imagine how many hurt feelings there were.”

Yeah, and that was during the War for Independence. I would prefer for the U.S. to find a way to work things out without violence.

“Except watch him go down the aisle with another man.

What?

Just sayin'.”

(grins) Yeah, I saw that response coming as I typed that comment. I will not compromise my values for a friend, so I guess I shouldn’t have said I’d do anything for him. I should have said I would do anything for him which wouldn’t compromise my moral integrity. Would you give up what you believe in for a friend?

“Cap would have gotten used to much, much weirder things.

Compared to Skrulls, gays would probably be a cakewalk.”

(laughs) Funny. Though Cap has adapted to the technological and supernatural developments in the world, his values have always been very much based in the 1930’s 1940’s mindset. I still say he’d be anti-gay marriage.

“I wasn't saying you were passive aggressive.

Your understand of my understanding of passive aggressive is just wrong.”

I said I would like to see a hero share my viewpoint. You said that would be a passive aggressive thing to do. Your understanding of passive aggressiveness is wrong.

Honestly, this pessimism is getting silly. Has anyone actually considered that Marjorie Liu was planning to go down this route all along, she is well known for tackling relationships in comics and has dealt with same-sex characters in the past so it's not exactly a stretch of the imagination. Plus, with all the absolutely horrible stuff that Northstar has been through, it's nice to actually have something nice happen for once!

I'm also a little irked with ZOMG WHO CARES?!? and NOBODY CARES!!! comments, just because you don't care doesn't mean there aren't people out there who do.

@RainEffect: You asked a couple of questions so I thought I'd answer them. In the United States, Gay Marriage is not legal, but I'm not aware of a law that expressly forbids it either. It is more the law defines marriages as "between a man and a woman."

Where the big bruhaha is relates to making it a Constitutional issue as in a "Marriage Amendment to the Constitution of the United States." Our Constitution protects the rights of the individual from the Government (no matter what anyone argues, that is what it is there for. The Founding Fathers were very explicit).

Marriage, in the United States, is governed by State Law as well, not Federal Law. As of right now, every proposal that has been voted on in each state has been voted down by popular vote. Right now, it is 37 States have said No to Gay Marriage. That makes Gay Marriage 0-37 when proposed as law. Just the facts, that's all.

As for your question about the JLA Gay Character Rumor, it is not a rumor. And it is a male character. Here is the article that I referenced earlier. The title is "Superman is Gay" but DC actually hasn't identified the character. Hope this helps: http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/48364/superman-is-gay/

Hope that answers your questions.

@PsychoKnights said:

@InnerVenom123:

Debate over PM is not pointless

Yes it is.

Lol.

(grins)

@PsychoKnights said:

@InnerVenom123:

“Nope.

I'm pretty sure you're assuming things.

I'm hardly open-minded or kind-hearted.

I just happen to be a close-minded dick who thinks there's nothing wrong with gay marriage.

Funny world, right?”

(grins) Props for honesty.

Is that supposed to mean "I win this round, haha, I made you admit you're a dick!"?

Because if so bravo.

You got me to state a fact.

(grins)

@PsychoKnights said:

“The founding fathers called the Brits "redcoats."

Imagine how many hurt feelings there were.”

Yeah, and that was during the War for Independence. I would prefer for the U.S. to find a way to work things out without violence.

(grins)

@PsychoKnights said:

“Except watch him go down the aisle with another man.

What?

Just sayin'.”

(grins) Yeah, I saw that response coming as I typed that comment. I will not compromise my values for a friend, so I guess I shouldn’t have said I’d do anything for him. I should have said I would do anything for him which wouldn’t compromise my moral integrity. Would you give up what you believe in for a friend?

When the cost of "compromising moral integrity" is equal to making your friend happy in a positive light, yeah.

Guess I'm just not a terrible friend.

(grins)

@PsychoKnights said:

“Cap would have gotten used to much, much weirder things.

Compared to Skrulls, gays would probably be a cakewalk.”

(laughs) Funny. Though Cap has adapted to the technological and supernatural developments in the world, his values have always been very much based in the 1930’s 1940’s mindset. I still say he’d be anti-gay marriage.

(laughs)

(grins)

(laughs)

...

(grins)

Probably not.

(laughs)

(grins)

@PsychoKnights said:

“I wasn't saying you were passive aggressive.

Your understand of my understanding of passive aggressive is just wrong.”

I said I would like to see a hero share my viewpoint. You said that would be a passive aggressive thing to do. Your understanding of passive aggressiveness is wrong.

Your understand of my understanding of your understanding of passive aggressive is wrong.

@jonnystorm777 said:

I love how whenever anyone says that this is weird or uncalled for, other people always say " homophobic or biggot". It's not wrong not to support this gay marriage thing just because Obama does supports it. You shouldn't have to hide the fact that you don't agree with it. Everyone should respect everyone's decision whether for or against it. Teaching kids morals is important and since comics are for yournger kids they are teaching them that it is okay. It may comfuse children as they grow up. I am just throwing my two cents in here. GO ahead and bash me now!

Well said. If you go back on page 8 and read what I wrote as a response, the whole thread with the original poster, I pretty much said what I felt. I'm not a bigot but you have to put Gay Marriage in the proper context where the law is concerned. The Government tends to propose laws that will never pass because they like to "swat flies with a howitzer." KISS. Keep It Simple, Stupid. Something might get done at the State and Federal level though. It would probably help to make this an intellectual issue as well. As long as it stays in the emotional realm, Gay Marriage will never become law. Ever. If you make it emotional, you piss people off and they'll say no to piss you off. A little off topic for what you posted, but I agree with you. My penny and a half. It ain't worth 2 cents.