Marvel Announces Landmark X-Men Marriage [Spoilers]

@cattlebattle: DC did it with Midnighter and Apollo.

LOL!

As a memebr of the LGBT community in two ways. Both transgender and a lesbian I am proud to see some more representation of the community. It is great to see some progress. now if only we could get some trans characters into mainstream comics.

While I am happy for Northstar and Kyle, something tells me this is Marvel exploiting what they feel is a "fad" or "trend". I highly, highly doubt they take gay relationships seriously, with the possible exception being Hulkling and his boyfriend.

@cattlebattle said:

Christ.... Its like who can exploit homosexuality first...Marve or DC... the race is on....

Northstar has been a homosexual since he was first created decades ago. What is there to exploit?

Gay Interracial Marriage for all!

@ReVamp and@Aztec the Lost

Thank You ...omg Im crying - ROFL

See the woman behind north star, is that aurora, if so I haven't seen her in comics for ages

What the hell is wrong with these comic book companies? This is DISGUSTING. Way to ruin a character.

I NOW officially stop buying comics! Thanks to you Morons!

@CircularLogic said:

@pingclang said:

I don't even know what to say. This is so screwed up. I'm sure Kirby, Simon and many of the others we've lost are rolling in their graves. Way to take something as simple and pure as a comic book and make a political, publicity stunt out of it. If Cap goes to that wedding, I will be cancelling all my comics.

I hate it when people claim that Gay marriage is a political issue. It's not. Gay marriage isn't something that the founders of the conservative and liberal ways of thinking have ever discussed, the reason it appears to be political is because you have a certain state of mind that guides your political thinking, which is why most conservative parties are actively against it, because being "conservative" is literally defined as being afraid of change. But at the same time that doesn't mean that just because you are republican you are against gay marriage. The issue is split between parties, but it is not political

No, Gay marriage is mostly a debate between ignorant people and people with decency.

Ignorant people are against it, decent human beings are for it. It's that simple.

And there's a difference between being a publicity stunt and being topical. The times have changed, so comics have been changing to reflect that. It's no longer acceptable to have no gay characters in comics, so you have to either invent new gay characters (e.g. Kate Kane) or make existing characters come out (Renee Montoya). A publicity stunt implies there is no merit to it other than bringing readers in, but that doesn't seem to be the case here since the character's role as a gay man in comics and his relationship have both been built up for years.

@CircularLogic: You said "mostly a debate" so I will give you that one. I'm glad you said "mostly." But here is my Conservative point of view. Bear with me because being for/against gay marriage is circumstantial for me.

There is a little Devil's Advocate thrown in as well...just FYI.

IF you make Gay Marriage a Constitutional issue, as in Constitution of the United States, I am totally and utterly against it. Why? Because it protects the rights of the individual. Period. Not couples, not a certain group, but only one. Also, there is no right under the Constitution of the United States for ANYONE, man, woman, cats and dogs to get married. None. It has been proposed, but it would be a disaster for everyone if it ever passed. Do we really want this or any Congress to say who can get married? And just to be clear, I would be against a Constitutional Amendment that states only a man and woman can be Married. I am against ANY Marriage Amendment at all. It just isn't what the Constitution is for.

On the other hand, if you make it a State issue, a Legal issue, hey, go for it. It has to be Legal, Law, not a State Constitutional Issue. LAW. You get a driver's license. You get a marriage license. That's how I got married. It wasn't the preacher. The Pope could have married me, but without paying my little fee and getting the license, it would not be recognized in any state or province. So...why would I be opposed to two people getting the same license I did as long as they pay the same fee? Who cares what names are on it...John and Jane or John and Bob? Now that is equal protection under the law. Call it a marriage license or call it a Civil Union. I'll let wiser folks work that one out.

I hope you didn't see me as an ass here, but I'm not ignorant (and you did say mostly). I just think that it should be equal and appropriate for all, not some rush to appear "cool" or "politically correct." It just depends on what method we are discussing. And how does that apply to comics?

As for being political or topical, I agree with you mostly. I wouldn't be a fan of Superman suddenly "turning gay" because it just doesn't ring true. If they suddenly said Wonder Woman was gay or Bi, well, I might buy that more because she was raised on an island of women. It would make some sense that she is attracted to women. It would make more sense if she were Bi because she's shown attraction to various men. I'm good with them creating new characters with any diversity to them, but I think it is up to the audience to decide if they stand the test of time.

You make some great points that were thought provoking. I hope I was able to return the favor.

Hooray I love weddings!!!! And cake. I also love cake. But hooray a wedding!!! And wedding cake!!!!

I don't know who these people are.

@MonkeyToe said:

@ravisher said:

i heard DC is turning a justice league member gay

Who said it was a member of the Justice League? Everything I have read just says a 'prominent DC Character'

and i heard superman but i dont believe it

@deadpool25mm: Hey, wiseguy--SHUT UP OR I'LL DESTROY YOU.

I repeat

@x_29 said:

...Umm okay. Does anyone really care that much??

Agreed!

@TheHeat: What happened to the NC voters?

I wiped them out like so:

I am happy that Northstar is getting married.I will be buying this issue for sure. :)

@Calico5: Believe it or not, I actually collect wedding issues.

@JamDamage said:

@cattlebattle: DC did it with Midnighter and Apollo.

Midnighter and Apollo are awesome. Like someone else said when they married it didn't feel like a stunt to say "Look how progressive we are!"

In anycase I don't really care or know much about Northstar. I suppose I'm happy for him and his fiancee.

I just hope they go on to have a strong and meaningful manage and then 20 years later "sell it" to Mephisto in order to save some character who logically should be dead anyways....

Just wanted to respond to some of the comments: 1st, while I agree it hints at exploitation, especially in regards to the Presidents coming out in support - there's a catch - these stories and pictures have been on the board for a while now...(Probably before, if not since the Archie Comic Gay Marriage) so it precedes President Obama's statement by many months. Is it somewhat exploitative - sure, but in the same line as anything else in comics. 2nd) Since so many of Marvels comics work out of NYC - it seems naturally to me that since their legalization of gay marriage, they would have one. Specifically at @IronAngelX, but 3rd) all the same - Just because we haven't been "involved" in the characters development (i.e. Kyles) doesn't mean that they shouldn't use him, Northstar (who came out in 92) and him have had a relationship for at least three years within comics (not too sure when Kyle first appeared) - so to all you nay-sayers, who says romance and love can't happen rapidly - I'd start asking around to people who are married as to how long they've known each other. I am seeing a lot of comparisons between Ororo and T'Challa as well as Jean and Scott, yet part of the way they were written was always: "will they or won't they" and it was a part of their characters developments. 4th) for all those that are saying they're going to drop the X-Titles - what did you think the X-men stood for? I always thought it was to fight against hatred and bigotry - the allusion towards sexuality is practically inherit in their mission statement - makes me wonder if you really understood those comics you were reading.

@1fearless1 said:

What the hell is wrong with these comic book companies? This is DISGUSTING. Way to ruin a character.

I NOW officially stop buying comics! Thanks to you Morons!

Which character is being ruined? Northstar has been homosexual for awhile.

@TwistedGamer said:

Northstar is just taking the next logical step...not sure why everyone is so upset about it.

What he said. I could care less either way.

@deadpool25mm said:

@1fearless1 said:

What the hell is wrong with these comic book companies? This is DISGUSTING. Way to ruin a character.

omg... this whole gay stuff is so sick, is Marvel out of their minds?!

People like you end up with kids who are gay lets see what you think of them lol

@aztek_the_lost:

No were does it say that they are going to be together forever or anything like that many characters have gotten married in the pass but what happens after that only time will tell

If i read your post correctly ur saying that no one should get married and if they do they should be married for a long time because marvel makes a big deal out of divorces

Be it gay or straight it doesn't really matter what matters is the characters

I dont find it to be all that exploitative to send out press releases. I think its part of a companies responsibility to openly renounce social stigmas.It also doesnt strike me as being just a publicity stunt. The northstar relationship cycle has been a beautiful symbol through the years. Northstar came out when t was still a major issue for young adults to feel okay about have homosexual relationships. Now homosexual marriage is a huge deal so they are having Northsar get married. You can't accuse them of just trying to be cool for making it abou the marriage and not the engagement either, the engagements arent what the world is worried about its about the actual marriages. Furthermore saying its some band wagon attempt is rediculous comics have always reflected current issues particularly when you look at marvels history. Comics are the most responsible and well represented form of media we have.

O___O

Awesome.

@PsychoKnights: "There are a lot of nice, good people with different viewpoints, yet we only ever get the homosexuality is great message from comics and most media."

Just Curious: Is it when a young gay teenager kills themselves that you hear from the media that "homosexuality is great" or is it when homosexuals get blamed for any and all natural disasters? Or what about when one is ostracized from family and friends due to their coming out, is that when homosexuality is so "great."? Is it these "nice, good people with different viewpoints" that bully homosexual's to the point of suicide and/or making sure they don't have the same rights as heterosexuals that you don't get to see?

I'm going to say it. I don't think this art is very good.

This isn't a big deal. Northstar has almost always been gay. It's a natural progression for the character to want to marry his longtime lover. It's not a political move, quit making it more than it is. Marvel has always evolved with times to keep it's universe modern, which is it's appeal. Gay marriage is fine.

Besides, I knew this would happen months ago when they announced the wedding. Of course it was them, no one else in Astonishing X-Men has a relationship.

@IronAngelX said:

Seriously?! DC and Marvel are competing now over who is more gay? I never thought I'd see the day.

you just spoke my mind.

@Crowingaboutcomics: @Crowingaboutcomics said:

@PsychoKnights: "There are a lot of nice, good people with different viewpoints, yet we only ever get the homosexuality is great message from comics and most media."

Just Curious: Is it when a young gay teenager kills themselves that you hear from the media that "homosexuality is great" or is it when homosexuals get blamed for any and all natural disasters? Or what about when one is ostracized from family and friends due to their coming out, is that when homosexuality is so "great."? Is it these "nice, good people with different viewpoints" that bully homosexual's to the point of suicide and/or making sure they don't have the same rights as heterosexuals that you don't get to see?

"Is it when a young gay teenager kills themselves that you hear from the media that "homosexuality is great?"

Yes. When this happens, the media is always there to assure homosexuals that there is nothing wrong with them and that they should keep hanging in there. This is evidenced by the mass coverage of the "It gets better" campaign which has been all over the news. It is also usually implied that evil people who disagree with homosexuality bullied gays into committing suicide though this is not always the case.

For clarity, I do not wish for homosexuals to be picked on, and I certainly do not want them killing themselves.

"Is it when homosexuals get blamed for any and all natural disasters?"

I have never heard that view publicized on either television or comics. Have you? I have heard a few wacko Christians and wacko websites claim that, but there are wackos of every variety saying many number of stupid things in the world. I could give many examples, but I don't really think it is necessary.

"What about when one is ostracized from family and friends due to their coming out, is that when homosexuality is so "great."

I never said homosexuality is great. I said comics and the vast majority of the rest of the media portray it as something great. In regards to homosexuals struggles as portrayed in comics and other media, it is shown as a struggle, so yes, I guess in that since it is not great. On the other hand, it is shown as a heroic struggle. I've never seen a TV show or comic ever imply that homosexuality is anything less than wholesome.

To sum up, does the media always present homosexuality as great fun? No. Does it always show it as morally great (right)? Yes.

"Is it these "nice, good people with different viewpoints" that bully homosexual's to the point of suicide and/or making sure they don't have the same rights as heterosexuals that you don't get to see?"

I don't really buy into the idea of somebody being bullied to the point of suicide. Everybody I know has been bullied in one way or another, and they all get over it. I'm not saying bullying is right; I am saying that kids need to stop sucking their thumbs and accept that not everybody will always agree with them.

Homosexuals do have the same rights as heterosexuals; they have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. What you seem to be advocating is the redefinition of marriage in such a way as to grant homosexuals the benefits of a state recognized union. I don't see any reason to give homosexuals those benefits.

Finally, most people who object to homosexuality do not bully homosexuals. There are some, but there are also some homosexuals who bully other people's beliefs. In other words, there are dicks everywhere.

Here's someone being a dick towards people beliefs and making fun of people for their actions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alXxsKLVofM

I'm kinda torn, to be honest... on one hand I think it's a positive statement to have a gay wedding, and maybe even more of a statement that it's in an X-Men comic, but on the other hand, I really have no personal investment in the characters, I haven't seen them develop or how they react to each other, and they aren't in the public eye that much, so much so, that I haven't even heard of this Kyle guy... in fact, after looking him up on the site, there's really not that much written about him and it only looks like he's been in 21 issues.

Now I'll admit, I actually don't read that many comics, but I do try to get as much information as I can on what's going on, and from my own personal perspective, it doesn't look legitimate to me, like there's something off... I mean I can't say that I'm *that* aware of gay characters in comics, its not something that stands out to me or that I can relate to... but Wiccan and Hulkling seem to be a better fit for marriage at some point down the road, simply because I've seen more of them as a couple and... well they're the only other gay couple that come to mind.

And does kinda bring the question up of what would happen if it was two women instead of two guys...

@aztek_the_lost: Well just because their making the weeding a big deal doesn't mean that the characters wont be divorced later on though a big deal now if seen as a regular thing it wouldn't be to out of the oordinary for them to get divorced and i dont really think anyone would really mind

I dont think its as much political as it is an attemp to get more book sales and as you say the comic universe aint a good place for marriage it doesn't stop it from being a tool by which characters are allowed to grow and that is what makes it meaningful

I dont read many comics someone posted about his boyfriend being created 3 years ago would you say 3 years is enough time to develop a relationship? They would have to build the characters love for each other before doing such a thing normally

Or would Peter Parker and Marry Jane marrying in the 1st comic together mean anything?

Its not as much political as it is an attempt to make more money off the book's sales IMO

Personally i like how iceman refuses to sit or stand

NO he has to be standing above everyone else on his ice path

Douche

It's the timing that makes this obnoxious, they barely even remembered he was a character last month,

now all of a sudden LOOK EVERYONE OUR GAY X-MAN IS GETTING MARRIED!!! Buy Marvel!

Smells like Barack's announcement had something to do with this! Now I'm even more proud of him.

I'm so offended, I'm probably not even gonna get this issue...

First of all i have no problems with gay people. But as a straight male who has been reading comics for my entire life, seeing this comic makes me not want to read it. I always loved x-men. but i loved it for the violence and the storys. If you want to comic book charecters gay, i dont care, just dont put it in super hero comics.Super heros should save the World, they're SUPER heroes. Thats it.

@202122: @202122 said:

Personally i like how iceman refuses to sit or stand

NO he has to be standing above everyone else on his ice path

Douche

I just died.

@Thunderscream: Northstar getting married is pretty much out of left field.

For one thing, He has been openly gay for years now, so all of a sudden he's *just* getting married? He's not mentally or emotionally ready for such a big commitment

Secondly, Jean-Paul and Kyle's relationship hasn't been shown to be at the level of "intimacy" where they would even talk about marriage, but again now all of a sudden Northstar is on bended knee proposing?

Northstar proposing to Kyle or any other boyfriend shouldn't be an attempt to jump on the "Yay for Gays!" express train. It should mean something to the character and to his fans.

Because there are so few openly gay characters and gay characters in relationships they should be treated with care and not used as an exploitation attempt for comic companies to say, "Hey we got a married gay couple! We're so diverse!" It's incredibly insulting.

@Darkmount1: if u think its ok to be gay then ur !@#$ed up... its not nature of a man to be with a man,its sick and disgusting..

@WeaponX619: then the world would be gay.. lol ,literly. im against all this gay stuff, its sick to see a man with a man and some acting like women , people think they are born like that and thats not true.

@Tintallin said:

@CircularLogic said:

@pingclang said:

I don't even know what to say. This is so screwed up. I'm sure Kirby, Simon and many of the others we've lost are rolling in their graves. Way to take something as simple and pure as a comic book and make a political, publicity stunt out of it. If Cap goes to that wedding, I will be cancelling all my comics.

I hate it when people claim that Gay marriage is a political issue. It's not. Gay marriage isn't something that the founders of the conservative and liberal ways of thinking have ever discussed, the reason it appears to be political is because you have a certain state of mind that guides your political thinking, which is why most conservative parties are actively against it, because being "conservative" is literally defined as being afraid of change. But at the same time that doesn't mean that just because you are republican you are against gay marriage. The issue is split between parties, but it is not political

No, Gay marriage is mostly a debate between ignorant people and people with decency.

Ignorant people are against it, decent human beings are for it. It's that simple.

And there's a difference between being a publicity stunt and being topical. The times have changed, so comics have been changing to reflect that. It's no longer acceptable to have no gay characters in comics, so you have to either invent new gay characters (e.g. Kate Kane) or make existing characters come out (Renee Montoya). A publicity stunt implies there is no merit to it other than bringing readers in, but that doesn't seem to be the case here since the character's role as a gay man in comics and his relationship have both been built up for years.

@CircularLogic: You said "mostly a debate" so I will give you that one. I'm glad you said "mostly." But here is my Conservative point of view. Bear with me because being for/against gay marriage is circumstantial for me.

There is a little Devil's Advocate thrown in as well...just FYI.

IF you make Gay Marriage a Constitutional issue, as in Constitution of the United States, I am totally and utterly against it. Why? Because it protects the rights of the individual. Period. Not couples, not a certain group, but only one. Also, there is no right under the Constitution of the United States for ANYONE, man, woman, cats and dogs to get married. None. It has been proposed, but it would be a disaster for everyone if it ever passed. Do we really want this or any Congress to say who can get married? And just to be clear, I would be against a Constitutional Amendment that states only a man and woman can be Married. I am against ANY Marriage Amendment at all. It just isn't what the Constitution is for.

On the other hand, if you make it a State issue, a Legal issue, hey, go for it. It has to be Legal, Law, not a State Constitutional Issue. LAW. You get a driver's license. You get a marriage license. That's how I got married. It wasn't the preacher. The Pope could have married me, but without paying my little fee and getting the license, it would not be recognized in any state or province. So...why would I be opposed to two people getting the same license I did as long as they pay the same fee? Who cares what names are on it...John and Jane or John and Bob? Now that is equal protection under the law. Call it a marriage license or call it a Civil Union. I'll let wiser folks work that one out.

I hope you didn't see me as an ass here, but I'm not ignorant (and you did say mostly). I just think that it should be equal and appropriate for all, not some rush to appear "cool" or "politically correct." It just depends on what method we are discussing. And how does that apply to comics?

As for being political or topical, I agree with you mostly. I wouldn't be a fan of Superman suddenly "turning gay" because it just doesn't ring true. If they suddenly said Wonder Woman was gay or Bi, well, I might buy that more because she was raised on an island of women. It would make some sense that she is attracted to women. It would make more sense if she were Bi because she's shown attraction to various men. I'm good with them creating new characters with any diversity to them, but I think it is up to the audience to decide if they stand the test of time.

You make some great points that were thought provoking. I hope I was able to return the favor.

I get what your saying. If you want to argue things like whether it should be legal on a state level or a federal level, and the way said law is implemented, then that's fine, and a very valid thing to bring into the discussion when talking about this kind of law. I was more talking about the active hate people seem to have about the very idea of gay marriage, the kind where people venomously attack the idea, like the comment i was quoting, for no real reason other than the belief that gay people shouldn't be together. And you did bring up some fine points, and I especially agree that you can't just come out and make Superman gay (though I would love to read that as a one-shot elseworlds kind of thing, just for laughs), if you're gonna "make" someone gay, you gotta make sure it's done with someone only loosely established. Renee Montoya is the best example, because she was always just a lightly touched upon character until she became the star of Gotham Central.

On another topic, is there any truth to the rumor they're making a member of the JLA gay? Because like you said, that leaves Wonder Woman and possibly Cyborg? as the only ones who have any sort of lee-way in terms of their sexuality.

Let's be honest, any marriage between two characters is going to be marketed.

Remember Storm and Black Panther? Same thing.

It's just that now it's between two male characters, everybody's yelping that they're trying to be cool and edgy and of the time. Not really. As I said, they make a big deal about anything that changes in comics.

@pingclang said:

I don't even know what to say. This is so screwed up. I'm sure Kirby, Simon and many of the others we've lost are rolling in their graves. Way to take something as simple and pure as a comic book and make a political, publicity stunt out of it. If Cap goes to that wedding, I will be cancelling all my comics.

Are you trying to say that comics haven't ever been social or political commentaries based on what's going on at the time?

Because if that's what it is that you're trying to say, I don't think you've ever read a comic.

@Blackman29 said:

First of all i have no problems with gay people. But as a straight male who has been reading comics for my entire life, seeing this comic makes me not want to read it. I always loved x-men. but i loved it for the violence and the storys. If you want to comic book charecters gay, i dont care, just dont put it in super hero comics.Super heros should save the World, they're SUPER heroes. Thats it.

Yet when comics show Emma and Scott in bed together, that's alright, right? Because they're straight?

What I find quite hard to believe is that you're questioning gay characters in an X-Title. The X-Men are a metaphor for gay people (amongst others). Of course there are going to be gay X-Men and of course those characters are going to have love interests because all comic characters have romantic interests.

Yeah, I know a little diversity is never bad but I think this is just downright unnecessary! Come on Marvel,STEP IT UP!

WOW, way to ruin x-men for me.. All the relationships Marvel has been pushing lately are homosexual ones, Hulking & Wiccan, now these two? Then you have stupid fights like in AvX between Storm & Black Panther, which if they wood apply the proper writers, they could turn it into a great story!! But honestly, I'm getting tired of shit like this. When I read comics I don't want to pay $3.99 + for a wedding between faggots (I don't mean to insult) but I AM PISSED. My 8 yr old nephew reads Astonishing X, now wtf am I going to tell his mom when he asks her why two male characters just got married.. Marvel, beware, you are skating on thin ice with my family & I.!

Maybe I'll have to "evolve" my stance on this.. lmfao

I love that on the internet if you don't like a company's use of homosexuality to show how progressive they are, you are immediately an ignorant homophobe. What happened to live and let live anyway? *sigh* I imagine Marvel meetings go something like this:

Should we focus on writing a great story with existing characters, or should we try to come up with some interesting new characters?

NEITHER! Homosexuality is really "in" right now. Let's make someone gay.

Actually sir, we already have a gay character.

Excellent! Do we have a gay wedding?

Ummm, no.

We do now!! Meeting adjourned.

What story does this fit into? Is there anything else going on?

Who cares?! Just rewrite something from the 90's but now centered around a gay wedding. It doesn't have to be good, just gay. We don't have to write good stories as long as they involve every demographic possible.

@ravisher: Where did you hear this and who?

that's sweet...

@Tintallin said:

@CircularLogic said:

@pingclang said:

I don't even know what to say. This is so screwed up. I'm sure Kirby, Simon and many of the others we've lost are rolling in their graves. Way to take something as simple and pure as a comic book and make a political, publicity stunt out of it. If Cap goes to that wedding, I will be cancelling all my comics.

I hate it when people claim that Gay marriage is a political issue. It's not. Gay marriage isn't something that the founders of the conservative and liberal ways of thinking have ever discussed, the reason it appears to be political is because you have a certain state of mind that guides your political thinking, which is why most conservative parties are actively against it, because being "conservative" is literally defined as being afraid of change. But at the same time that doesn't mean that just because you are republican you are against gay marriage. The issue is split between parties, but it is not political

No, Gay marriage is mostly a debate between ignorant people and people with decency.

Ignorant people are against it, decent human beings are for it. It's that simple.

And there's a difference between being a publicity stunt and being topical. The times have changed, so comics have been changing to reflect that. It's no longer acceptable to have no gay characters in comics, so you have to either invent new gay characters (e.g. Kate Kane) or make existing characters come out (Renee Montoya). A publicity stunt implies there is no merit to it other than bringing readers in, but that doesn't seem to be the case here since the character's role as a gay man in comics and his relationship have both been built up for years.

@CircularLogic: You said "mostly a debate" so I will give you that one. I'm glad you said "mostly." But here is my Conservative point of view. Bear with me because being for/against gay marriage is circumstantial for me.

There is a little Devil's Advocate thrown in as well...just FYI.

IF you make Gay Marriage a Constitutional issue, as in Constitution of the United States, I am totally and utterly against it. Why? Because it protects the rights of the individual. Period. Not couples, not a certain group, but only one. Also, there is no right under the Constitution of the United States for ANYONE, man, woman, cats and dogs to get married. None. It has been proposed, but it would be a disaster for everyone if it ever passed. Do we really want this or any Congress to say who can get married? And just to be clear, I would be against a Constitutional Amendment that states only a man and woman can be Married. I am against ANY Marriage Amendment at all. It just isn't what the Constitution is for.

On the other hand, if you make it a State issue, a Legal issue, hey, go for it. It has to be Legal, Law, not a State Constitutional Issue. LAW. You get a driver's license. You get a marriage license. That's how I got married. It wasn't the preacher. The Pope could have married me, but without paying my little fee and getting the license, it would not be recognized in any state or province. So...why would I be opposed to two people getting the same license I did as long as they pay the same fee? Who cares what names are on it...John and Jane or John and Bob? Now that is equal protection under the law. Call it a marriage license or call it a Civil Union. I'll let wiser folks work that one out.

I hope you didn't see me as an ass here, but I'm not ignorant (and you did say mostly). I just think that it should be equal and appropriate for all, not some rush to appear "cool" or "politically correct." It just depends on what method we are discussing. And how does that apply to comics?

As for being political or topical, I agree with you mostly. I wouldn't be a fan of Superman suddenly "turning gay" because it just doesn't ring true. If they suddenly said Wonder Woman was gay or Bi, well, I might buy that more because she was raised on an island of women. It would make some sense that she is attracted to women. It would make more sense if she were Bi because she's shown attraction to various men. I'm good with them creating new characters with any diversity to them, but I think it is up to the audience to decide if they stand the test of time.

You make some great points that were thought provoking. I hope I was able to return the favor.

Being saying something like this for years it would have shut down the debate years ago.

Congrats marvel hope you deal with this hot button issue better then you did with the tea party protest.

Northstar is marvels first gay mutant! Yes this is going to be a big event! HE IS A MUTANT!!! AND HE IS GAY!!! Either way he's hated by many for just being alive. If you match up their fictional world events (Decimation and Civil War) along with the gay/religion hot topics of the REAL World then Jean's wedding is deserving of the all out b**ls-to-walls over the top wedding treatment Jean/Scott and Reed/Susan received.And every one knows gay love to throw a great event (I know it's a stereotype but this is gonna be more epic than Elton Johns wedding...cmon) and what better way should marvels first homosexual character have his special day....INVITE EVERYONE IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE FROM GAGA TO GALACTUS

@CircularLogic: I believe the phrase was "a prominent member of the JLA." Yes, it is true. Just using that phrasing. As for your original post, it just kind of opened the door for something I've wanted to say and you kind of inspired me to say it. I'm pretty much all of those "things" that should be against Gay Marriage...Conservative, Christian, so forth and so on. I could argue so many different points, but why? I have two very good friends who have been in their "gay" relationship as long as my wife and I have been married, going on 21 years. "B" (his initial versus publicizing his name like he would care) and I have discussed, argued and kicked around gay marriage a lot and he and I both admit one thing: It can be a very complicated issue. Be that as it may, I think it really comes down to people either wanting to throw stones at someone or trying to take the "moral high ground", usually for personal advancement. That's how it becomes political. Me? I like the way they did Renee Montoya and Bat Woman in the comics. Low key, straight forward, no fanfare. Take it or leave it. Marvel and DC should continue in that vein and keep writing their stories accordingly.

As for this New 52 thing, I kind of groaned when I heard the news. I'm tired of hearing the "gay card," seeing the "gay card," and just wish they had the guts to write it and let the cards fall where they may. Instead, big press release and yada yada. Just go for it and quit being dramatic. That's how I feel. If I don't want to read it, I won't. I've skipped pages in comics for less. If it bothers me that much and I DO want to read it, I'll skip those pages. You can't make me eat squash casserole either.

Thanks for understanding my points. If everyone would remember we're all people and on this little speck of rock and dirt together, they might care a little more about each other and quit being butt heads about EVERYTHING! Have a great day.

@Crimsonlord53: They couldn't be subtle about it or anything, could they? Marvel made this a big deal. I wonder how they will deal with the fallout if there is any? It all just feels a little contrived.