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Kirkman's 'Invincible': An Analysis of Gore

Why does some gore off-put us more than others? Needless to say, this article might be a bit NSFW, and contain Invincible spoilers.

While catching up on Invincible the other day, I came across a certain page that straight-up bothered me. It was a scene depicting Mark Grayson's worst fears about the consequences of his Viltrumite enemies, which he had just finished fighting, making it to Earth before he did. Though it was only a dream sequence, it showed the heroes of the Image universe getting brutally butchered by the superhuman terrors. It illustrated an extreme case of the brutality we know that the villains were capable of.

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Edited for taste.

While I'm no stranger to the horrors of the Internet (and have read Punisher: Max cover-to-cover) Invincible is still one of the few comics that can make me feel squeamish. The actual cause, however, eluded me until I took a good long look at myself and how these scenes are produced.

== TEASER ==

Invincible is an extremely deceptive series. I took the first volume at face value: an homage to a number of superhero tropes that were updated for a new audience and included a number of original characters. Invincible (Mark Grayson) was a growing hero and had a number of support systems to ensure that he grew into his role "normally."

However, this changed in the second to third volume, where readers are treated to a knock-down, drag-out brawl between Mark and his dad, where blood, teeth and bone fly. Things are kicked up a notch.

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As the series progresses, the fights get worse, and have higher tolls: Mark kills Angstrom Levy, Dupli-Kate's clones die in extremely gruesome fashion and Invincible meets Conquest, setting the bar high again. At the end of a recent volume, heads are ripped clean off bodies while heads get sandwiched between fists so hard that blood sprays from eye sockets. This is heavy stuff.

Each one of these fights does not shirk on the viscera; bones are exposed, teeth are lost and holes are ripped open in people. However, these things aren't what bugs me the most.

What gets me are the expressions.

Each one of the faces that are crying in anguish behind the smiley faces up there unsettle me beyond anything else.

Ryan Ottley's work is specifically done to make us feel for the character being maimed. While this shouldn't come as a surprise, consider this: when viewing a "typical" character death in super-hero comics, how often do we see them cry out in pain? Beg for mercy? Cry at hopelessness? Lose their confidence?

It's rare that we actually see that weakness in characters we're supposed to idolize, which I think is the whole point of presenting Invincible fights in this manner. Kirkman and Ottley wanted to show us that unlike stereotypical superhero books where fights can be inconsequential, characters in Invincible feel pain. They feel fear. They squish when hit by someone who has super-strength.

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Titles like Punisher: Max and even The Walking Dead aren't strangers to this level of violence, yet they get a "pass" in my mind. Frank Castle can string a guy up by his intestines (and has) and it won't provoke a reaction; however, seeing someone in Invincible who's not quite dead with their arm ripped off, crying out in pain, shakes something inside me that doesn't feel right.

Ultimately, this can be attributed to another artistic style point. Invincible's style is very cartoony (again, it's an homage); this works tremendously in its favour because it looks like the story it's supposed to be portraying.

However, when panels like the above crop up, it almost shocks you out of the quaint superhero world you're enjoying, and reminds you that if the timing's right, any of the characters you've come to love could die in a horrible fashion. Each fight connects with you because you're sweating buckets, wondering if that next punch will go through the combatant.

Thankfully, Kirkman does not exploit this strategy. When used too often (like in Crossed), it becomes cheap and tired, which unfortunately detracts from the whole story.

Hopefully that won't be in Invincible's future any time soon. It would be a waste of a great title and great universe.

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I like to post Kirkman's response 
I like to post Kirkman's response 
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I typically watch R rated movies and play nothing but M rated games, this is even too bloody for me.

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Invincible was always set up to be a violent series. Kirkman has said he wanted this series to be how he would write a violent superhero comic.

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@Vitality said:
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I started reading Invincible at my school and I loved it. When I got to the issue where Mark and his dad square off I was totally off guard for the bloodshed (I'd missed when the Guardians Of the Globe were slaughtered). After it one thing was going through my mind. The Immortal is kind of crap :P I like him , but he does seem to get his butt kicked a lot.

 

Anyways the gore doesn't disturb me, but seeing the characters I love likes that does get an emotional response from me. I was sad when Oliver brutally murdered the Mauler twins. They were my favourites!

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Yeah I liked the Mauler twins for their comic relief. "
I miss them!
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@thegreatfour said:
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I started reading Invincible at my school and I loved it. When I got to the issue where Mark and his dad square off I was totally off guard for the bloodshed (I'd missed when the Guardians Of the Globe were slaughtered). After it one thing was going through my mind. The Immortal is kind of crap :P I like him , but he does seem to get his butt kicked a lot.

 

Anyways the gore doesn't disturb me, but seeing the characters I love likes that does get an emotional response from me. I was sad when Oliver brutally murdered the Mauler twins. They were my favourites!

"

Yeah I liked the Mauler twins for their comic relief.
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I started reading Invincible at my school and I loved it. When I got to the issue where Mark and his dad square off I was totally off guard for the bloodshed (I'd missed when the Guardians Of the Globe were slaughtered). After it one thing was going through my mind. The Immortal is kind of crap :P I like him , but he does seem to get his butt kicked a lot.

 

Anyways the gore doesn't disturb me, but seeing the characters I love likes that does get an emotional response from me. I was sad when Oliver brutally murdered the Mauler twins. They were my favourites!

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I love gory superhero comics ( there I said it ) and invincible is awesome too !) but I love the savage dragon even more just for being a little bit more strange and unpredictable .

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@Primmaster64 said:
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showing unbelievable gory things in comics is fine =D, but if you show one nipple I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN :p

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Sarcasm? XD "

pretty much =D
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@DanyBoy said:
BlueStarr86, you made me sign up with this quote !Are you serious ??? Where does that come from ? Really ?Let me ask YOU, have you ever pulled a punch ??? Of course you go full weight !Then, for the topic, I think the thing that bother people is the fact that we are right in the event (well, it just finished last month), and it was a 7 or so floppies. But when you look from the beginning of the serie, it's just a tiny part of what Invincible is. I think at the end of the year we would be sucked in again in the Invincible we all like. "
Yes, I've pulled most of my punches, because most of the punches I've thrown are at one of my best friends, in jest, and I don't want to actually hurt him. Yes, it still hurts him a little, but he deserves it because he's always doing the same thing to me, and if it was anyone else in the world we probably would have killed each other by now.
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@Om1kron said:
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while I have only read volume 6 of the hard covers, I would like to kindly thank you for spoiling any future volums I'm ordering by posting these. But to answer the OP's question. Invincible gets retarded gory going forward.  "


Please.

 

The description of this article tells the reader to expect Invincible spoilers.

 

So thank yourself for getting spoiled.

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I don't mind gore in comics or videogames (i do in movies) if it doesn't affect the plot. It's like an action movie with a lot of explosions I don't mind the explosions  if it doesn't water down the story hhhhmmmmtransformershhhhmmmmmmmmm.
So does it affect the story.

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@DH69 said:
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showing unbelievable gory things in comics is fine =D, but if you show one nipple I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN :p

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Sarcasm? XD
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@BlueStarr86:@BlueStarr86 said:
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Sorry but if Superman really punched someone, it would look much like Invincible.And who are you to tell the rest of the world what is acceptable for them? "
Have you never pulled a punch before? Seriously, the entire reason Superman doesn't smear people across the landscape every time he swings his fist is because he pulls his punch. Much in the same way people do naturally. You don't really notice it, but everyone is significantly stronger than they think they are. The reason behind this is because your body puts limits on you so you don't damage yourself unless it's an emergency. I'm saying that it isn't acceptable in that the books don't come in wraps, because a child could just walk into a store open one of these up, or bring one home to mom and dad, then suddenly we are dealing with freaked out parents. I seriously don't want to deal with parents, you can, but I'm not going to. They also don't come with warning stickers, which they should. If Empowered has to come in a wrap with a sticker, Invincible should really come in a wrap with a sticker. "
BlueStarr86, you made me sign up with this quote !
Are you serious ??? Where does that come from ? Really ?
Let me ask YOU, have you ever pulled a punch ??? Of course you go full weight !
Then, for the topic, I think the thing that bother people is the fact that we are right in the event (well, it just finished last month), and it was a 7 or so floppies. But when you look from the beginning of the serie, it's just a tiny part of what Invincible is. I think at the end of the year we would be sucked in again in the Invincible we all like.
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@Vitality said:
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while I have only read volume 6 of the hard covers, I would like to kindly thank you for spoiling any future volums I'm ordering by posting these. But to answer the OP's question. Invincible gets retarded gory going forward. 
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showing unbelievable gory things in comics is fine =D, but if you show one nipple I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN :p

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you edited the best part DAMIT I'm giving this a frowny face
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@mark5 said:
O.o ok damn forgot about some places like that in comics.But in general i mean a Major WORLDWIDE crisis (like WW3 or bigger) not a city wide one, and besides coastal city getting destroyed was just an excuse for zero hour basically. 
Whats so good about #775? 
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There's more to it than that, I'm sure if DC could have blown up Earth, they would have by now. Sadly they set everything else in the setting so that the universe would collapse if you destroyed Earth.

Basically everything. A team of anti-heroes, called The Elite, show up, pretty much kill all of their opponents, and don't even bother to clean up the messes they make. This includes a 100+ meter tall cyborg gorilla and the army that was fighting it. According to the experts working for President Luthor, The Elite are way more powerful than Superman, and he's kind of  right. Naturally, Superman takes exception to The Elite, because he doesn't like heroes who kill. I'm not going to say any more, because I think you should read it yourself.
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@BlueStarr86 said:
" @mark5 said:
" @BlueStarr86 said:
" @mark5 said:
@BlueStarr86: 
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this is a comicbook, people are flying for crying out loud. and besides if you take a tank and smash it into a wall the wall is gonna be much more damaged than the tanks, its more durable. I guess invincible's head id just more durable. 

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I know, that's what I was trying to state. A lot of people here seem to be proclaiming it to be incredibly realistic, when it's not. "
well it is realistic in the blood and gore, notice how captain marvel never bloodies up superman much when he punches him or superman never gets a black eye or bruised lip when getting handle by the like. Same with most superhero vs superhero fight. It's realistic in that regard. it averts the usual "everyone is alright" or the "neighborhood is alright" trophes in comics where after huge worldwide event people on earth seem to have things back to normal in the next issue or spider man gets all patched up in the next issue. After Invincible war it really shows what someone like superman or BA or Captain Atom could do if they went on a rampage. Better yet for the next 10-12 issues the world's hero's are either in hospital or helping fix up with world's destroyed cities. 

Good stuff, i sick of those trophes so thats why i like it. 
"
Not always, one of the very best issues of Superman had him getting mauled pretty badly. Read Action Comics #775 "What's so funny about Truth, Justice, and The American Way?" That issue basically states everything I could ever state about this. I'm with Superman on this by the way. Also: you are obviously reading different books than me, because Bloodhaven is still a radioactive wasteland, Coast City was turned into a crater until a bunch of heroes showed up and fixed it, there have been entire planets destroyed, and most of these locations have stayed destroyed. "
O.o ok damn forgot about some places like that in comics.But in general i mean a Major WORLDWIDE crisis (like WW3 or bigger) not a city wide one, and besides coastal city getting destroyed was just an excuse for zero hour basically. 
Whats so good about #775? 
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@mark5 said:
" @BlueStarr86 said:
" @mark5 said:
@BlueStarr86: 
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this is a comicbook, people are flying for crying out loud. and besides if you take a tank and smash it into a wall the wall is gonna be much more damaged than the tanks, its more durable. I guess invincible's head id just more durable. 

"
I know, that's what I was trying to state. A lot of people here seem to be proclaiming it to be incredibly realistic, when it's not. "
well it is realistic in the blood and gore, notice how captain marvel never bloodies up superman much when he punches him or superman never gets a black eye or bruised lip when getting handle by the like. Same with most superhero vs superhero fight. It's realistic in that regard. it averts the usual "everyone is alright" or the "neighborhood is alright" trophes in comics where after huge worldwide event people on earth seem to have things back to normal in the next issue or spider man gets all patched up in the next issue. After Invincible war it really shows what someone like superman or BA or Captain Atom could do if they went on a rampage. Better yet for the next 10-12 issues the world's hero's are either in hospital or helping fix up with world's destroyed cities. 

Good stuff, i sick of those trophes so thats why i like it. 
"
Not always, one of the very best issues of Superman had him getting mauled pretty badly. Read Action Comics #775 "What's so funny about Truth, Justice, and The American Way?" That issue basically states everything I could ever state about this. I'm with Superman on this by the way.

Also: you are obviously reading different books than me, because Bloodhaven is still a radioactive wasteland, Coast City was turned into a crater until a bunch of heroes showed up and fixed it, there have been entire planets destroyed, and most of these locations have stayed destroyed.
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@BlueStarr86 said:
" @mark5 said:
@BlueStarr86: 
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this is a comicbook, people are flying for crying out loud. and besides if you take a tank and smash it into a wall the wall is gonna be much more damaged than the tanks, its more durable. I guess invincible's head id just more durable. 

"
I know, that's what I was trying to state. A lot of people here seem to be proclaiming it to be incredibly realistic, when it's not. "
well it is realistic in the blood and gore, notice how captain marvel never bloodies up superman much when he punches him or superman never gets a black eye or bruised lip when getting handle by the like. Same with most superhero vs superhero fight. It's realistic in that regard. it averts the usual "everyone is alright" or the "neighborhood is alright" trophes in comics where after huge worldwide event people on earth seem to have things back to normal in the next issue or spider man gets all patched up in the next issue. After Invincible war it really shows what someone like superman or BA or Captain Atom could do if they went on a rampage. Better yet for the next 10-12 issues the world's hero's are either in hospital or helping fix up with world's destroyed cities. 

Good stuff, i sick of those trophes so thats why i like it. 
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@mark5 said:
@BlueStarr86: 
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this is a comicbook, people are flying for crying out loud. and besides if you take a tank and smash it into a wall the wall is gonna be much more damaged than the tanks, its more durable. I guess invincible's head id just more durable. 

"
I know, that's what I was trying to state. A lot of people here seem to be proclaiming it to be incredibly realistic, when it's not.
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@skaarason said:
" this is the best comic ever !!!!! "
i agree, i get so squirmish when i see Omni-man fighting especially in the viltrumite war, it makes reminds me that any second now a blow could pass straight through his body or rip off his head.He is my favorite character.  its a great level of suspense which you own't find in X-men or Superman or Avenger titles.

@BlueStarr86: 
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this is a comicbook, people are flying for crying out loud. and besides if you take a tank and smash it into a wall the wall is gonna be much more damaged than the tanks, its more durable. I guess invincible's head id just more durable. 

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this is the best comic ever !!!!!

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invincible is  one of my favorites because it is very realistic when it comes down to a fight, and not many heroes on earth can handle viltramites.

 

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@Vitality said:
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@BlueStarr86: 
Well I wanted to continue with our discussion...but you calling the readers of Invincible immature, when I'm here trying to have a mature discussion with you, draws the line for me.

 

I personally believe Invincible is the best series out.

 

If you don't care for it...that's fine."

Urgh.... that was precisely what I was trying to avoid. I was just saying that I don't know anyone, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I only know maybe 200 people, that's not even enough to make a proper statistic, unless you are looking at a very small, very specific picture. Which given that Invincible sells well over 10,000 issues (I have no idea, I haven't looked up how much it sells), 200 is not going to cover a proper statistic of 10,000 people.  A big portion of it is that I don't know anyone that even picks it up, yet I know my local store sells it very well, the few people I do know who used to pick it up, dropped it for the exact reasons I'm stating.

I suppose next time I'll bold, italicize, and underline the part where I might offend people.
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I love how people say "No offense, but..." before saying something really offensive. :P

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@BlueStarr86: 
Well I wanted to continue with our discussion...but you calling the readers of Invincible immature, when I'm here trying to have a mature discussion with you, draws the line for me.

 

So I will end it with this...I personally believe Invincible is the best series out.

 

If you don't care for it...that's fine.

 

 

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@Vitality said:
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@BlueStarr86: 
Good point on this being a discussion and not an argument.

I have the issues right in front of me.

There is only one pic of him going through the battleship...and Mark indeed has blood on his face.

As far as the amount of blood shown...it's definitely over the top.

 I wouldn't call it fetishistic. It's really not in every issue. It's just shown during the most important times and the most important fights."

Right... if any of us lost the amount of blood that's just on Mark's face we'd be unconscious, unless one of us happened to have the blood disease John McClain has, yes there is a logical reason for him not having issues with bleeding so much, his body produces 2-3 pints of blood more than it actually needs. That's a real disease. I can't recall what it's name is, but you can wikipedia it.

While it's not in every issue, it's in it enough to be rather bothersome, also after the first couple of abattoirs, you just don't care about it any more. When it's not doing gore, the comic does teenage drama. I'm not sure what to make of the drama, when I grew up I never had that many problems. It's like Mark has his own magical drama fairy.... or maybe he is his own magical drama fairy, either way it's truly ridiculous. The comic says mature readers, but I can't think of a single truly mature reader who would actually enjoy it at this stage. No offense to people who do enjoy it, I just don't know anyone personally who I consider mature, that would also enjoy it.
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The art of Invincible is what got me into it in the first place. I bought the first couple of trades when the 3rd one came out after seeing screenshots online and reading a bit about it, but I wasn't that interested in the story in the first place. Obviously I realized, after reading them, that Kirkman's story was amazing, but Ottley's art was my first impression of the series.

I love the fact that it's drawn like an homage to more "cartoony" comics but at the same time displays incredible violence. It's such a great contrast and works perfectly with the story, and as it's been mentioned in the article, Kirkman doesn't overdo it. I think Chew is another series where the art style is a bit more cartoony but sometimes gets pretty gruesome.
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@BlueStarr86: 
Good point on this being a discussion and not an argument.

I have the issues right in front of me.

There is only one pic of him going through the battleship...and Mark indeed has blood on his face.

 

As far as the amount of blood shown...it's definitely over the top.

 

I wouldn't call it fetishistic. It's really not in every issue. It's just shown during the most important times and the most important fights.

 

 

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@Vitality said:
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Slamming Mark through a battleship didn't cause him to bleed, but that ground sure did. Which... is frankly another call back to Dragon Ball Z.I think you have double spacing turned on. You could just not add spaces to your post.        

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I'm not sure what you're talking about or what point you're trying to make. First blood is drawn when Conquest punches Mark. It gets worse from there. When he smashes him through the battleship...Marks face is covered in blood...and where does Mark start bleeding just from being slammed into the ground?

Also...his "robotic" arm is clearly not a normal object. He got it when he was on Viltrum

 

Something tells me you're arguing just to argue.

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I'm trying to discuss here, it's different from arguing, because it's less hostile. When I was looking at the pictures of Mark being slammed through the battleship, he wasn't bleeding, when his face went through the ground, suddenly he was bleeding.... here's another thought: if they were moving as fast as they appear to be, the blood shouldn't accumulate on them, because the air should be pushing it off of them. What I would argue, if anything, is that a lot of the fights don't make sense, people bleed too fast in them, and none of them actually do any damage to themselves just by moving. Mostly I would be arguing that the Viltrumites are kind of pussies and the gore is entirely unnecessary, you could get it across that these people are wicked powerful, without making meat puppets out of the nameless characters. I'm going to continue calling it fetishistic, because when the comics aren't pressing other (XTREEEEME!) hot button issues (abortion), it's all about the blood explosions, pretty much the only people who are going to appreciate that are teenagers, and people who get off to gore.
 

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@BlueStarr86 said:

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Slamming Mark through a battleship didn't cause him to bleed, but that ground sure did. Which... is frankly another call back to Dragon Ball Z.I think you have double spacing turned on. You could just not add spaces to your post.

                   

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I'm not sure what you're talking about or what point you're trying to make. First blood is drawn when Conquest punches Mark. It gets worse from there. When he smashes him through the battleship...Marks face is covered in blood...and where does Mark start bleeding just from being slammed into the ground?

Also...his "robotic" arm is clearly not a normal object. He got it when he was on Viltrum

 

Something tells me you're arguing just to argue.

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I have every Invincible issue...no need to post screens...I'll know what you think you're talking about.

 You also said it was his hand.

 His robotic arm was never tested during the fight up till that point. It had never taken a direct blow up until that point. Also...that's right when Mark loses it and goes all out.

 As far as my typing style...I have no idea...I only put one space in between each line...not sure why it shows up the way it does.

Not everyone does, I also figured that if I'm going to be wrong, I'm also going to show everyone why and how I'm wrong.  That said, it actually was tested, he used it to hold Mark still in one panel, I'm still interested in what it's made of, who made it, and where it was made. Because normal objects should shatter like glass when trying to hold someone like Mark still, even if it's only for a second, plus Mark still totally broke his arm shattering it.

Their defenses seem to peter out really fast, it's not like other characters who can take a certain level of punch all day long without effects, higher powered strikes only leave bruises, and going even higher leaving ever increasing amounts of damage, but never suddenly causes an eruption of blood from the same strike that didn't do anything earlier. Having punched a lot of things, and been punched a lot, it's usually somewhere in the middle, enough strikes that cause bruises will draw blood, eventually, and it won't be very much. Their defenses are anemic. Slamming Mark through a battleship didn't cause him to bleed, but that ground sure did. Which... is frankly another call back to Dragon Ball Z.

I think you have double spacing turned on. You could just not add spaces to your post.
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@BlueStarr86 said:
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                    @Vitality said:


You're wrong.

Conquest broke Invincible's hand. He grabbed it and crushed it.

Also...in that same issue...it clearly shows two different levels of Marks power.

Anyways...my point is that you're wrong.



                   

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I was wrong, in that Mark didn't break his other arm punching Conquest in the face, he did it punching off Conquest's cyborg arm. I'm curious as to what that thing is made out of, it was doing fine up until that point. Behold:

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Even so, I'm still not entirely sure how these guys manage to get so much blood from each other, to be that strong they (by the laws of physics) have to be roughly tough enough to take that kind of damage without breaking. With the defenses shown in this series, their ligaments would explode the moment one of them tried to scratch their ass.Also: what's with your typing style? You have it double-spaced and then you added additional space between each sentence. That's kinda weird.

                   

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I have every Invincible issue...no need to post screens...I'll know what you think you're talking about.

 

You also said it was his hand.

 

His robotic arm was never tested during the fight up till that point. It had never taken a direct blow up until that point. Also...that's right when Mark loses it and goes all out.

 

As far as my typing style...I have no idea...I only put one space in between each line...not sure why it shows up the way it does.

 


 

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I don't have a problem with gore, sure it sometimes does get a little blegh...but I tolerate it...my problem is...If you show that much gore....what's the problem with nudity?

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@Vitality said:


You're wrong.

Conquest broke Invincible's hand. He grabbed it and crushed it.

Also...in that same issue...it clearly shows two different levels of Marks power.

Anyways...my point is that you're wrong.

"
I was wrong, in that Mark didn't break his other arm punching Conquest in the face, he did it punching off Conquest's cyborg arm. I'm curious as to what that thing is made out of, it was doing fine up until that point. Behold:
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Even so, I'm still not entirely sure how these guys manage to get so much blood from each other, to be that strong they (by the laws of physics) have to be roughly tough enough to take that kind of damage without breaking. With the defenses shown in this series, their ligaments would explode the moment one of them tried to scratch their ass.

Also: what's with your typing style? You have it double-spaced and then you added additional space between each sentence. That's kinda weird.
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If gore is showed..why not nudity too?

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i actchly like all the blood an gore in invincible  i think its cool i liked the invicilble war and stuff :D (i like blood and gore so glad my  mom lets me play mortal combat and mad world)
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@BlueStarr86 said:
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                    @Vitality said:
"

                    @BlueStarr86 said:

Invincible has been going since 2003, that's not exactly a short period of time. I think it is because of the sheer volume of gore in it. To make things worse, this isn't even a very good representation of what happens with Superman level people square off, and here's why: whenever one thing hits another (I mean anything, bullets, jello, people, whatever) both objects take the impact of that hit. This means that if you punch someone hard enough to break their bones, it will break your bones back. A good example is when Mark was headbutting Conquest, his head should have been just as smashed as Conquests' head was. Physics state that when there is an action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. "
Run and smash your face into a concrete wall......tell me if the concrete wall takes as much damage as your face.

                   

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My face is squishier than the concrete wall, now if I were to just take some bricks, I could totally smash those with my face....you know, depending on the type of brick, how many of them there are, and if I had actually been trained in something as impractical as breaking bricks with my face. People -can- put their limbs, including faces, through concrete, it does damage them, but most of it you won't see, because they have been practicing it, and doing that causes the bones they are using to smash these objects with to become more dense, ergo tougher. Fists are one of the better parts of human anatomy for hitting things with, in that there isn't anything truly vital in them unlike the rest of the body. When you punch something hard enough it causes micro-fractures in your bones, your body fixes this by  rebuilding the surface of it, not by taking the parts that are already there and putting them back in place, no it puts more material there. This means that your bones suddenly have more mass, which leads to harder punches (because of weight), and generally tougher bones (because of materials).  The entire point of this is: earlier in the comic where Mark headbutts Conquest, Mark breaks his hand punching Conquest in the face..... this basically means that Mark should be utterly incapable of hurting conquest with his head, at least without incurring serious injury to himself as well. Far more serious than "My face is broken." a more accurate level of damage would be "Oh god, I can see my brains." especially since Mark has done nothing to improve the hardness of his face/head, aside from take punches there, and he really doesn't take that many punches to the face/head in relation to what he dishes out with his fists.

                   

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You're wrong.

 

Conquest broke Invincible's hand. He grabbed it and crushed it.

 

Also...in that same issue...it clearly shows two different levels of Marks power.

 

Anyways...my point is that you're wrong.

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" @Caligula said:
" @xerox-kitty said:
" @Caligula said:
"then don't read it. go read fraggle rock. "
There's nothing wrong with Fraggle Rock, I'll have you know! ;) "
fraggle rock is a fine book.I was just making a point :D, that there are plenty of comics you can read that are less graphic. "
I'll be honest, I'm more of a Marvel Adventures: The Avengers, Power Girl (until they switched teams), Tiny Titans, and Thor: The Mighty Avenger type. Naturally, everything I truly like -must- be cancelled, while I'm enjoying it.... I'm not sure why this is, it has left me more than a little bitter. "
I know the pain of good comics being canceled. cue Unknown Soldier.
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" @xerox-kitty said:
" @Caligula said:
"then don't read it. go read fraggle rock. "
There's nothing wrong with Fraggle Rock, I'll have you know! ;) "
fraggle rock is a fine book.I was just making a point :D, that there are plenty of comics you can read that are less graphic. "
I'll be honest, I'm more of a Marvel Adventures: The Avengers, Power Girl (until they switched teams), Tiny Titans, and Thor: The Mighty Avenger type. Naturally, everything I truly like -must- be cancelled, while I'm enjoying it.... I'm not sure why this is, it has left me more than a little bitter.
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" @BlueStarr86 said:
Invincible has been going since 2003, that's not exactly a short period of time. I think it is because of the sheer volume of gore in it. To make things worse, this isn't even a very good representation of what happens with Superman level people square off, and here's why: whenever one thing hits another (I mean anything, bullets, jello, people, whatever) both objects take the impact of that hit. This means that if you punch someone hard enough to break their bones, it will break your bones back. A good example is when Mark was headbutting Conquest, his head should have been just as smashed as Conquests' head was. Physics state that when there is an action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. "
Run and smash your face into a concrete wall......tell me if the concrete wall takes as much damage as your face. "
My face is squishier than the concrete wall, now if I were to just take some bricks, I could totally smash those with my face....you know, depending on the type of brick, how many of them there are, and if I had actually been trained in something as impractical as breaking bricks with my face. People -can- put their limbs, including faces, through concrete, it does damage them, but most of it you won't see, because they have been practicing it, and doing that causes the bones they are using to smash these objects with to become more dense, ergo tougher.

Fists are one of the better parts of human anatomy for hitting things with, in that there isn't anything truly vital in them unlike the rest of the body. When you punch something hard enough it causes micro-fractures in your bones, your body fixes this by  rebuilding the surface of it, not by taking the parts that are already there and putting them back in place, no it puts more material there. This means that your bones suddenly have more mass, which leads to harder punches (because of weight), and generally tougher bones (because of materials). 

The entire point of this is: earlier in the comic where Mark headbutts Conquest, Mark breaks his hand punching Conquest in the face..... this basically means that Mark should be utterly incapable of hurting conquest with his head, at least without incurring serious injury to himself as well. Far more serious than "My face is broken." a more accurate level of damage would be "Oh god, I can see my brains." especially since Mark has done nothing to improve the hardness of his face/head, aside from take punches there, and he really doesn't take that many punches to the face/head in relation to what he dishes out with his fists.
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It definitely did the Punisher character true justice.
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@Jake Fury said:
" Violence in comics doesn't really shock me anymore. The Punisher War zone movie did surprise me though. "
That movie was so, so satisfying. :)
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Violence in comics doesn't really shock me anymore. The Punisher War zone movie did surprise me though.
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" @Caligula said:
"then don't read it. go read fraggle rock. "
There's nothing wrong with Fraggle Rock, I'll have you know! ;) "
fraggle rock is a fine book.

I was just making a point :D, that there are plenty of comics you can read that are less graphic.
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@xerox-kitty said:

" @Caligula said:

"then don't read it. go read fraggle rock. "
There's nothing wrong with Fraggle Rock, I'll have you know! ;) "
Uh.. he said that. :P

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" @BlueStarr86: P.S. the Fraggle Rock comics are actually quite good.  "

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@Caligula said:
"then don't read it. go read fraggle rock. "
There's nothing wrong with Fraggle Rock, I'll have you know! ;)
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@nasar7: Both. I really don't need to see a character's innards to feel that the danger is real, and I find it very distasteful when someone is ripped apart like that. It kinda haunts me, actually. It's different when it doesn't happen to a living character. For instance, the corpses in the TV show Bones don't get to me like that (they're still gross though). :)

By the way, the gore looks even more cartoonic and over-the-top the first time you see it in the early issues of Invincible.
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I just started reading the Invincible title and picked up a subscription to the series while collecting the back issues with trades and I have to say I absolutely LOVE it and Invincible is quickly becoming my favorite title.

This article presents a very good point and although the violence and character expressions during death don't turn me off of the book they are a good shock reminder that anything can and will happen in the Invincibleverse and that most if not all consequences are lasting and not being deemed null the next week or so with a resurrection or a "wait this is what REALLY happened" issue, *cough* Marvel & DC *cough*

Another thing, I have Volume 2 of Invincible, "Eight is Enough", and there isn't a fight between Mark and his dad. I think that is really in the next Issue

ALL this being said, Go Invincible and Go Kirkman!