It's Fists Versus Fins as the Fighting Continues in AVENGERS VS. X-MEN #2

Can the next one be an X-Man kicking an Avengers Ass please?

Namor has Luke Cage totally outclassed.

But hey, it's cool to ignore power levels for the sake of entertainment, AMIRITE? ;)

@Cafeterialoca said:

Can the next one be an X-Man kicking an Avengers Ass please?

Cage bragging does not mean he's going to beat Namor, or anywhere near it.

@Morpheus_: True, but so far, both of these teasers are the loud mouth Avengers kicking their asses with a kinda of a vein line.

@Cafeterialoca: The X-Men do have the Avengers at a disadvantage, power-wise, though. And it's possible that we'll get a few teasers only with Avengers having the last word, and there will be a round 2 just with X-Men doing the same.

X-Men will be the scapegoat in this event, mark my words.

Thats a horrible line.. but namor is > Luke cage

Yeah. Prit-ty sure Namor would DESTROY Luke. Also pretty sure that the only Avengers that would even stand a chance against Namor would be Hulk and Thor.

@Morpheus_: Still, it kinda makes the Avengers look like jerks. They're invading Utopia, most likely going to blow it up in the process, and trying to get Hope, most likely to kill her. Have to say, the Avengers are coming across like assholes right now.

@the_fallen11 said:

Yeah. Prit-ty sure Namor would DESTROY Luke. Also pretty sure that the only Avengers that would even stand a chance against Namor would be Hulk and Thor.

If by standing a chance you mean Thor and Hulk would wreck him, yeah, they would. Iron Man has stalemated and defeated Namor several times, too.

Romita is f***ing up these teasers

Namor can has super strength, can fly breathe under water and control sea life and decades of experiance. Luke Cage has super strength and unbreakable skin. Namor should wreck Luke even on the worst day of his life, especially since they are fighting in the ocean, where Namor is strongest! I hope the X-Men destroy the Avengers and I don't even like Cyclops' faction very much

@Cafeterialoca said:

@Morpheus_: Still, it kinda makes the Avengers look like jerks. They're invading Utopia, most likely going to blow it up in the process, and trying to get Hope, most likely to kill her. Have to say, the Avengers are coming across like assholes right now.

Several assumptions in this post. The factual statements are that they will invade Utopia and that they will try to get Hope. Blowing Utopia up and "most likely" killing Hope is speculative at this point. Let's read the book first, and we can condemn them afterwards if they are in the wrong.

This would probably be the highlight of the fight for LC

@capfan80 said:

This would probably be the highlight of the fight for LC

Agreed.

@Morpheus_: Just saying, when I see this:

I get the idea that Hope isn't going to survive. Especially since the cover afterwards is Scarlet Witch being targeted. Just saying, if the Avengers' goal is killing a little girl, I'm going to flat out hate them through this event.

i really hope dat avengers aren't gon punk the whole x men team dat would be bad for biz so far all avengers are talkin smack n x men gettin the @ss kicked

@Cafeterialoca: Cyclops intends to use the (for all intends and purposes) daughter of his son in order to control a cosmic entity of nigh unlimited power, supposedly "for the common good". I'm not seeing the X-Men side of things as particularly sympathetic, either. And I truly doubt Captain America, of all people, would want to kill Hope as anything but a last resort. There are several X-Men that would opt to kill her before he did.

@Morpheus_: Oh, I know that Cyclops' side is flawed, but I don't think the Avengers should be "the one and true answer". Frankly, I'll be extremely happy if the Avengers are wrong for once. They've been sitting on a high horse for some time now and something needs to rock their boat.

And don't get me STARTED on how much of a hypocrite Beast is. "Nightcrawler's death is on you Cyclops! You murdering psycho! Oh Wolverine! You're opening up a school? GREAT! You're even running the same X-Force too? Fine by me." I know people will get mad at me, but I wouldn't care if Beast died in this event.

Marvel needs to fire somebody. These promos are awful.

@Cafeterialoca: The Avengers aren't really on a high horse. They've made lots of mistakes that resulted in major worldwide issues, their team got disbanded, they regrouped, they fought amongst themselves, split again, regrouped again, and now a bunch of braindead people even like Norman Osborn more than them. Is Marvel going to push the Avengers in a year where their film is coming out? Yes, of that I have no doubt, and it'd be silly of them not to. And Cyke's X-tinction team members spend waaaay too much time flexing their own muscles in front of a mirror and claiming how much better they are in comparison to the Avengers, while the Avengers have mostly not given a damn about them so far.

LOL, I like Beast, but I agree his reaction to Wolverine's X-Force was off-putting.

Like I really don't get how the Avengers are going to win this battle at all... like Luke Cage can't beat frakkin Namour!!?!

@Morpheus_: I just don't know. I never get the feeling that the Avengers are in any danger and just kinda are cruising by while other heroes have to go through much more crap. Maybe it's the way they're decompressed and stuff, but the Avengers seem to get off easy compared to the X-Men (who have had one of the biggest massacres ever with the School bus explosion) or even the Thunderbolts (Songbird had to live like a hobo through Dark Reign). I just don't sympathize with the Avengers cause they seem to get easy wins. Hell, look at their annuals. Wonderman beats them, and they get back up the same day and beat him. They just get back up again with little effort and beat him. I just want them to lose badly in AvX.

I also dislike the bias for Wolverine's side. He's doing a lot of mistakes, but oh, it's not a problem because he's not Cyclops' side. God, I dislike a lot of Marvel characters currently.

I find it hard to believe that Cage would ever get the drop on Namor. Ever. Especially in the water, Namor's element.

Still, looking forward to this despite some negative opinions regarding it all, it has me interested.

looks like it could interesting, but I can't help thinking of a certain stereotype when I see this image lol

@PrimeDirective: Well damn said! Even though I'm a Thor fan, I can always relate to the Xmen!

As much as I like Luke Cage, there's no way he could beat Namor in or out of the water.

A depowered black panther beat Luke cage in like 5 seconds...how is l.k beating Namor IN the water

Seems so far that the teases we get show Avengers giving total b!tch slaps to X-Men just to ring in entertainment value and possible readers. Its intriguing but...kinda odd at the same time to me.

@PrimeDirective said:

@Morpheus_: Umm... Sorry, but no.

I'm not sure your point has something to do with my point. Which is that Cyclops' current team persistently draws comparisons between themselves and the Avengers without apparent reason but the fact that they think they should. What the X-Men have been through or haven't been through (and they have been through a lot) is irrelevant to that attitude. They think they are better heroes? I'm OK with them thinking that, regardless of what my opinion about it might be. But they are overcompensating far too much with the snarky remarks and calling themselves "world's mightiest" or that "they've made the Avengers obsolete." More selflessness and less self-congratulating would be preferable.

@Cafeterialoca: I'd rank Genosha as much worse in comparison to a bus explosion. The X-Men are not only a team, they are a group of people fighting for survival, so in that light, they are always going to have it worse, all the more so since their overall number is so limited due to multiple events of the past seven years. I disagree that the Avengers get easy wins at least not all the time, though. And the team Wonder Man and the Revengers thrashed were the New Avengers, then Steve assembled the big guns and they took him down fast. If anything, I like the Avengers demonstrating this level of competence once in a while, because they rarely ever do. Just look at how easily Osborn is dismantling them in Avengers as we speak.

I've fallen behind with Wolverine and the X-Men so I can't really comment, but I liked that book a lot more than Uncanny.

@MyraMyraMyra said:

Marvel needs to fire somebody. These promos are awful.

Heres a question how will the remaining mutant terrorists react to this especially since a large number reside on utopia.

@mr.obvious said:

@MyraMyraMyra said:

Marvel needs to fire somebody. These promos are awful.

They're doing their job. Getting people talking and up in arms. Rousing curiosity translates pretty directly to people buying the books.

@Morpheus_: But the New Avengers got back up and helped the Avengers in that annual. Seriously, it just undoes all tension. It makes the Avengers just seem like they can just ring up their big guns to win.

I know Wolverine and the X-Men is good, but I just can't stand the class. Especially since it pushes all the other X-Kids back for Idie, Broo, Kid Gladiator, Kid Omega and Genesis.

If Namor dose not win this fight that is BS. Namor is way better than LC in all ways.

In the long run at the moment I am rooting for the Avengers I hate Cyclops he comes across to me as a raciest.

No Luke, don't fight him in the water... bad idea...

Nice art work:D

@The Dark Huntress said:

@mr.obvious said:

@MyraMyraMyra said:

Marvel needs to fire somebody. These promos are awful.

They're doing their job. Getting people talking and up in arms. Rousing curiosity translates pretty directly to people buying the books.

...

You're right :P

@Rowen545 said:

No Luke, don't fight him in the water... bad idea...

QFT

@Rowen545 said:

No Luke, don't fight him in the water... bad idea...

QFT. I wonder what Luke is thinking. He doesn't stand any chance of winning on land or water. Luke's strength is in the 25 tonne range whereas Namor is Class 100+. Pitting those two against each other is unfair really.

@Morpheus_: I guess I didn't come right out and say it, but I was basically saying that the X-Men haven't been talking themselves up in any sort of hollow vanity at all really. Instead, they've been letting their actions speak by going toe-to-toe with an army of Sinisters and a bunch of Celestials. Saying that they're the Earth's mightiest team of superheroes now, or that they've made the Avengers irrelevant isn't stemming from arrogant pride, but from a genuine problem. The Avengers not being able to sucessfully carry their part in the superhero community leaves a hefty burden of responsibility on the shoulders of the X-Men, who feel obligated to help the world at large, not just themselves. If anything, after everything that's happened lately, the Avengers, being the useless-mess-of-repeated-defeat-and-inability-to-be-self-sustaining that they've been lately, thinking they have any place getting involved in mutant affairs, especially after Children's Crusade, is a VERY high horse! Honestly, I'm usually the first to side with Cap on any and all issues and I also think Cyke is a massive tool, but it's reeeeeally hard for me not to find myself thinking the X-Men really have done a better job at the Avenger's job than the Avengers lately, while still handling their own issues. And they never should have had to! That said, the Phoenix Force has NEVER been an Avengers matter. It takes some kind of arrogant idiocy for them to assume they can step in and do a better job handling the Phoenix Force than the X-Men (unquestionably the experts on the subject mind you), when they're incappable of handling their own current stuff without the X-Men having to pick up the slack.

@Rowen545 said:

No Luke, don't fight him in the water... bad idea...

lol

@CrimsonTempest said:

X-Men will be the scapegoat in this event, mark my words.

I like it. Story > Powers in comics. Powers > Story in the battle forums...

Namor stomps

Namor wins, unless bendis is writing it.

Namor is far superior to Luke Cage in every way. The only way for Cage to win is to have something that increases his powers greatly; depowers or Namor like Venom (Macgargan) did a few years backs; or have some highly sophisticated trap laid out. But if it's a straight up 1-on-1 hand to hand fight to the finish Namor wins especially if it's in the water.

Seriously... Colossernaut, Namor, Magneto, Magik, Emma Frost, Storm, Nate Grey, and Jubilee should be enough to curbstomp the Avengers, but my money is on the X-Men jobbing big time. We'd better at least get Jean Grey revived out of this

@k4tzm4n: I imagine Cage just got a lucky shot. If not, then there is some messed up sh!t goin' down.