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Is ‘The Dark Knight Trilogy’ the Definitive Batman Story?

Has Chris Nolan put the perfect stamp on the iconic character and dropped the mic to walk away in the sunset?

Please put down your torches and pitchforks. The intention of this article is not to get a rise out of you (see what I did there?). It’s just that, like many of you, I’ve had The Dark Knight Rises on my brain nonstop since seeing it at a midnight showing opening night. It also doesn’t help that I’ve been writing nearly every article I’ve done over the past week to the movie’s official soundtrack. I have Bat-fever, to say the least, and that fever has given birth to a simple question that’s been gnawing at my brain for the last few days: is Christopher Nolan’s THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY the definitive Batman story?

If you have not seen The Dark Knight Rises, read no further. Spoilers ahead!

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It’s a daunting question, for sure. With 70+ years of stories under his belt, most of which are written and drawn by some of the best our fine industry has to offer, the Batman has been privileged with some of the best comic stories around. But after seeing The Dark Knight Rises twice now and reminiscing fondly about Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, I believe Chris Nolan has crafted a saga that ranks as one of the best Batman stories ever told, if not the best.

My main argument roots itself in the fact that Nolan’s Batman trilogy actually gives Bruce Wayne a definitive ending to his time as the Caped Crusader. Better yet, Bruce gets a happy ending, something that’s pretty much impossible to do in his comic interpretation. Let me explain: Chris Nolan actually allows Bruce to move on past his parents’ death and begin living and enjoying life again. Whereas in the comics, Bruce Wayne will forever be tormented by the death of his parents to fuel his war on crime. Because a status quo must be upheld for future generations of readers to be able to pick up a Batman comic and understand it, Bruce Wayne will always be Batman and, as a result, he will always be a miserable human being.

Motivated by the ideals of Batman, Blake finds a new calling in life.
Motivated by the ideals of Batman, Blake finds a new calling in life.

The idea of Bruce Wayne actually being able to get over his parents’ death allowed Chris Nolan and the rest of the crew working on THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY the opportunity to really play up one of Batman’s defining themes -- legacy. In the comics, Bruce Wayne has drafted many people into his continual war on those who pray on the fearful. We’ve had five Robins, three Batgirls, a Batwoman, and a large number of other colorful characters carrying on Batman’s tradition of stomping the faces of criminals. However, as long as Batman is around, these characters will always feel secondary, no matter how many mini-series and ongoings they each get to tell you otherwise. Batman will always overshadow all of them and there will never be a true passing of the torch.

In the Nolan-verse, things are different. For starters, we don’t have a bunch of little boys running around in pixie boots. Instead, Batman is left to inspire ordinary folks to stand up against injustice, a theme started in Batman Begins with Jim Gordon, then played with more heavily in The Dark Knight with the impostor Batmen, and finally concluding in The Dark Knight Rises with the entire Gotham City police department and, more specifically, John “Robin” Blake quitting the force because the “structural shackles” of law enforcement permit him from delivering true justice.

The mantle of the Batman is not reserved for Bruce Wayne alone. It can be argued that Christopher Nolan's underlining thesis on Batman is that anyone can serve as Gotham's Dark Knight as long as they have the motivation and dedication to stopping injustice. The position isn't reserved for only orphaned boys, although they seem to gravitate to the role like a fly towards light. As Bruce states in BEGINS, Batman is not a man, because a man can be corrupted or killed. Instead, Batman is an ideal, a symbol that anyone can aspire to, even men wearing hockey pads, though their life expectancy is much shorter.

The idea of Batman being more of a catalyst to inspire those fed up with how the system is operated has always fascinated me more than just seeing Bruce Wayne under the cape and cowl on repeat. I don't see it written anywhere that just because Bruce Wayne donned the costume first in 1939 that he should forever be under it. Isn't it a more powerful statement to the character's value that even when Bruce Wayne is gone, the legend of the Batman lives on?

Unique takes on iconic characters, both heroes and villains, make Nolan's films stand out.
Unique takes on iconic characters, both heroes and villains, make Nolan's films stand out.

Now, while Chris Nolan’s Batman films clearly nail the thematics that drive Batman to do what he does, they don’t hit every note perfectly. If there’s one part to Batman that the Nolan-verse films fail to put on proper display it is the actual detective aspect of the character. Nolan’s version of Batman is more a ninja than a super sleuth, content with searching for something on Wikipedia and calling it a day.

The supporting cast has made the movies even more enjoyable (if that's possible).
The supporting cast has made the movies even more enjoyable (if that's possible).

Furthermore, the Nolan-verse Batman is more reactionary than preemptive; something goes terribly wrong and Batman has to deal with it. In the comics, especially those of Grant Morrison, Batman is a man that has countermeasures to his countermeasures. It’s borderline psychotic how many angles he’s thought of to prevent every possible scenario. The Bruce Wayne of the movies is not like that, outside when he creates the sonar computer to track the Joker.

Those two issues aside, I feel like I could go on for another 2,000 plus words on the subject of what’s absolutely incredible about Chris Nolan’s Batman films -- the supporting cast, the unique takes on iconic villains, the music, etc. But let me bring this to a close by readdressing my original question: is THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY the definitive Batman tale? Some might feel differently, but due to the trilogy’s finite (happy) ending for Bruce and the fact that every major theme that makes Batman Batman is present and accounted for, I’m going to say yes.

Chris Nolan and everyone else working on the DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY should be elated with the work they’ve done on these films. They’ve given us a definitive take on the character that doesn’t just rehash exactly what we’ve already read in year’s prior. The films aren’t perfect, but they’re pretty darn close. And if I ever need to prove to someone why Batman is a great character, I can hand him or her these three movies and the point should be made with an exclamation mark.

Erik Norris is a freelance writer for sites such as ComicVine, IGN and CraveOnline.com. You can stalk him on Twitter @Regular_Erik.

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They are just a another version of Batman. The whole reason why Batman is such a successful pop culture character is that he can be changed to fit whatever the writer, artist or this case the director wants to do with him. This is why Batman does well in various media, he's constantly changing, which people generally forget. There is no definitive version of Batman.

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@durakken: The first thing Bruce wanted to do when he returned to Gotham was kill Joe Chill, sounds pretty vengeful to me. Also he was trained and smart enough to take out an entire swat team bu himself, which comic-batman does all the time.

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Hell no, not even close. The DCAU is easily the definitive Batman story.

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@drudox19: Good Point! I never liked the ending to the Dark knight, I remember thinking, i hope they found a way to save the Batman, after taking the Fall for Dents Murder.

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IMO Nolans favorite superhero film was Donners Superman, so the whole batman is something to aspire to a symbol to me it feels that there is some not 100% so influnce of Donners Superman there. Though i give Nolan credit at least he was inspired by the source material IMO Donner didn't even try using Supermans source material he just made Silver Age Superman and invented his own things with it. I can say Nolan's films where great movies the only thing i hated and everyone can agree with me is that Nolan abandoned his theme of escalation that was in the Dark Knight.

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Awesome trilogy. The only people who would answer this yes is the general public. Like I said the movies were the best batman movies but this batman was very different than comic book batman.

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Judging from the fact that Nolan intended to take all the greatest moments of Batman's history & make a "best of" story, he did a lot of things right. But the Dark Knight Rises is too weak for the trilogy to achieve that status. There is too much PIS (5 months-detonation-countdown? please...) & it all felt kind of rushed. Bane breaking Batman's back was handled incredibly stupid, even though I can see why we felt the need to include it, he should've solved it better (like Knightfall did for example).

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It's the best representation of the modern idea of Batman in live action.

It's not definitive across Batman in all mediums.

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Kinda miss Norris.

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I dont know this is a hard question. Since nolan wont do anymore then its going to be pretty hard for someone else to make a batman movie that can top nolan's work(which probably noone is gona top at least not for a long time). But since Batman is up there with the most popular superheroes of DC and of all universes(i would say he is 2nd most popular after Supes) then i guess the movies will keep going.

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i love the trilogy but it's not the definitive Batman story.

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The answer can only be no.

Very simply, the Batman in the Nolan films is to far from Batman to be a definitive take on the character.

At best, it's an interesting else-worlds tale, at worse a bastardization of the character.

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It's not even a Batman story let alone the definitive Batman story v.v They use the names and the premise that a rich guy's parents get killed and he uses his wealth to fight crime, but that's the general premise of several characters and not Batman. Nolan's Batman is revenge oriented, isn't smart, and isn't trained in anything. He's literally a rogue ninja foot soldier which isn't what Batman is on any level...

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no way.

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Best Comic Book Movies Ever! I loved Nolan's interpretation of characters, they weren't exactly like their comic book counterparts but the core of the characters were the same, I loved that Bruce moved on and Blake took over the Batman identity. I also liked how Blake was the amalgamation of all three Robins. I loved Alfred, I loved the Three Musketeers Batman, Gordon and Dent, I loved Crane, I more than loved the Joker, and Ra's al Ghul twist was so great (something IM3 failed to do), Neeson owned the role, the whole cast was great. They made their own stories based on the comic books rather than just copy the whole story. The reason Batman remains one of the most popular character ever is because he's adaptable to changes, he can be differently interpreted all the time, I loved Nolan's interpretation, it wasn't perfect but it was pretty close.

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Yes, it's the one that most will remember and a conclusive trilogy.

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@tiberiusoberius exactly!!

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@btmt said:

@J2Metal said:

I disagree with the notion that anyone could be Batman. The character dedicated his entire life to training his mind and body to be the perfect weapon against crime.

The idea that a cop could just find his car and batsuit and suddenly be Batman makes the character seem less special. It strips him of his intelligence and discipline, which to me make Batman who he is, not his tools or uniform.

^^^^THIS^^^^^.

I'm completely agree with you my friend. I can't think of anyone else other than Bruce Wayne as BATMAN.

Just wearing a Batsuit doesn't make Batman.

What about Frank Castle if he stopped killing and went to DC. He has always been Marvels ''Batman'' in my eyes.
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@erik_norris: I don't think Nolan understands batman, why would batman have quite? why was he hiding for 8 years, but at one point worked on Energy project? the end of the 2nd film, left me thinking, WHat? why is batman taking the rap for this? I think he understood the Joker, that was spot on, but the rest? no. once again bane could have been done better. it's taking me a bit to think of this answer, but there it is.

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i really liked the nolan trilogy, but there are some things i think should have been done differently. i didnt think batman was intimidating enough

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Regardless of whether this is the greatest Batman storyline or the most interesting, the trilogy strikes me as being definitive simply because it is the most widely consumed and experienced version of the character. Of the books though I still find The Dark Knight Returns one of the most compelling and strong points of view on the character, his views and legacy.

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Batman is meant to be a Two-Dimensional Character...that's why he's more comfortable in the Mask than he is without it. He's an Archtype of Vengance trying to make it in the real world. This is not the Definite Batman in any sense of the word, and I don't think it should be. Its true with all the heroes...which is the definitve Superman? The one who was second only to GOD in sheer power,or the more 'human' current version?

These heroes are just...sketches, in a sense...its up to the writers/artists to fill in the sketches and interpret them the way they want...

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no way in hell they were ok at best

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@erik_norris: I don't think Definitive is the right word, when you look through out the history of film, remakes, reboots. to use the word Definitve, it's like buiring the film, or challenging anyone to make a better one. This is not a comic book movie, it is a movie Base on a comic book, Batman wouldn't stop, in the comic book, but in these films he has to deal with age, and the fact he can't do it alone. The worest thing about the last movie is, knowing that at one point, in the next few years, there will be a another film. it's like thinking about the day, when they remake Star wars. it's going to happen, it's only a matter of time.

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Is it perfect? Of course not. It is a very very good trilogy of movies. The thing is it seems (to me, at least) that they wanted to sit down and make this fantastic idea real. I feel that they accoplished that. Again, is it Batman? No. It is as close as people that are in the industry and probably not hardcore Batman fans can do. There are a few things you have to address with the comic version of Batman that are problems. They tend to touch on them in the films and this is one the reasons I like them so much. 1. Is batman insane? While I don't know what it would be like to have my parents killed in front of me, I did grow up without my parents and it does change you and your perceptions on things. In some issues/storyarcs you can see that Batman is easily as off as some of the villians he fights. So the question is- do you have a man that is driven and dedicated to his idea of "Batman" or is he actually mentally ill/ unstable and has multiple psychosis? I feel that te movie surely answered THAT version's of Bruce Wayne mental status pretty well. 2. Robin. I for on have like the "idea" of Robin, but it is a hard pill to swallow. The reason is mostly that we see what Bruce is trying to do for his Robins, but to anyone else looking in, he is taking a young boy and endangering him and making him into a weapon. Questions would come up like- Does Bruce have the right to do something to an obviously impressionable and mentally shocked child? The animated series of Batman Beyond touched on this matter a little and it was interesting. Of course every kid loves Batman and would want to be him, at least they think that. The problem lies in that it is an undertaking like almost no other and it would permanently affect them. 3. Could Bruce Wayne be Batman? I don't run a Fourtune 500 company, but I imagine it would take more than just an occational phone call and meeting with Lucius Fox. Lol. The movies did a fair job explaining how he might accomplish that and how Bruce might be able to hide his Bat-wounds form the public/paparazi. It also addressed the fact that as Bruce ages he would have to realized that there will be a point where he can't be Batman anymore. You see it with NBA or NFL players almost every game. Doing stressful physical feats of anykind will take a major toll on your body. So you end up with three options. You can say "Whatever" and push yourself and add cyber-enhancements to buy yourself some time until you cripple yourself. You could slow down or stop and pass the torch on to someone younger (not seven years old, lol.) Then there is the last option, the one that seems less likely- just stop. He has done a great service. He saved people, but its done. This one seems less likely because He has spent so much time building this ideal just to let it go. My only problem with the movie version is that "Robin" had very little interaction with Bruce. I know how it ends, and that was kinda fun, but he has basic police training (I do too, Im ex Law enforcement) and I can tell you while it is great, it hardly prepares you for something like that. Bruce trained with the greatest minds in the world for years to be able to do what he does. Hopefully the kid can improvise...lol. 4. The world's greatest detective/ martial arts master ever. Now It is a bit of rough subject to argue about whether or not Bruce could be both of these things. Honestly, in MY Batman universe I think Bruce is insane and has multiple mental problems that he channels into these obsessions. I am sure there are many of you that may feel otherwise. The only thing I will touch on is when you lock at his rogues gallery, there is alot of people in there that while he is one of the few people that can handle them, it isn't impossible. Quick Someone robbed the first national bank! The killed everyone inside with a toxin. Okay? is is Joker's, Poison Ivy, Scarecrow, or a new guy? The thing is while Bruce is a incredible detective, sometimes his job is layed out in front of him because his villians are just as obsessed about their psyhcosis' and Bruce has been there from most of their beginings. So he knows almost everything about them. Also I know alot of them use hired thugs, but in the end you have a lot of older men and women who are looneys not exactly world class martial artists. While I have worked with quite a few of menatly ill people and have had to restrain them and such, the "crazy strong" stuff is not as common as you would believe. In the end the movies did a great job of telling a fairly "realistic" version of what batman would be like, and I loved them. Is it 100% accurate, no. It also isn't Arnold Schwarzanegger running around making bad puns and discracing one of my lifelong heroes.

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Umm... NO

You spend the beginning talking about hoe "Batman" is a 'symbol' and then spend the next part talking about how awesome Bruce Wayne is. The Bruce Wayne Batman is the only Batman that we know and love and his story (cinematic wise) is still yet to be told.

If you look at the timeline of this Trilogy, Bruce was only Batman for about a YEAR before an EIGHT YEAR 'retirement'

(Bruce was Batman for a month at most in Batman Begins. TDK was set 9 months after that and he dealt with Joker for maybe a few months...maybe)

So what is the Legacy of a guy who showed up three times in 9 years? His only long running stint was between the first two films and we didn't see that.

This is not Batman, this is a watered down version

The true definitive Batman (cinematic) story has yet to be told

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As far as I can tell it's a good Batman story and the definitive Batman Live-film

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@HexThis said:

Without a doubt, I think Nolan's Batman is the definitive Batman story as far as cinema goes.

I really can't understand the petty umbrage some seem to take with Nolan, I find most of the points to be either open for interpretation or sufficiently debatable. People keep on incessantly complaining and complaining about things that really self-resolving or just barely significant. Bruce didn't explicitly live or die, the league of Shadows sought to re-define western civilization so they made an example of Gotham before exploding it (which is why it was 5 months), the League also didn't kill Bruce because Talia wanted him to suffer a fate worse than death for killing her father (understandable), and really....I've got to say this, does it really matter how they pronounce Ra's name? Really? Most English-speaking people would pronounce it that way instinctively. The Bruce Wayne in Nolan's world doesn't have the animated series to refer back to, people.

How anyone can devote so much time to complaints after Nolan slaved harder than any director to create a fantastic trilogy really eludes me. People say they wanted something less "realistic"...well, we got that with Tim Burton and just about every other superhero movie made and it's hardly foolproof or the recipe for quality movies (see Batman Forever or Batman and Robin). Can you even name another superhero movie franchise that held it's own through and through? Sam Raimi screwed Spiderman over majorly, Iron Man 2 was sub-par, Superman dragged on and really lost touch (does anyone even remember the later films in 80's?), Brett Ratner totally couldn't handle Bryan Singer's aesthetic and royally blew it with X3....actually, most directors don't even see trilogies through! And don't make me say "Wolverine: Origins" or "Green Latern"!

I've never seen a director who took the superhero franchise as seriously, who was quite as committed as Chris Nolan. He didn't even want to screen it in 3D, despite the monetary gain, because he felt it wouldn't truly serve the fans. He actually took the time to arduously apply some logic and credibility to a genre of film that some could easily dismiss as kid's stuff, as glorified cartoons. He never turned the movies into a venture into excessive CGI nonsense, he really treated the Batman mythology with a sophisticated respect for it that I'd never ever seen aside from maybe Bryan Singer.

I love Nolan's Batman movies. They were more than my childhood nostalgia could've imagined, they surpassed what many other people would've lazily resorted to.

BUUUUUUT WE WANT CLAYFACE AND KILLER CROC,AND BATMAN NEVER QUITS.

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Nolan's films are good but they miss the mark a lot on what makes Batman who he is. Giving up and walking away is not something he should do. Amongst other things, these films have failed to accurately portray the true character of Batman and Bruce Wayne. The villains and supporting cast (bar Rachel Dawes, I hated her) are what make the films so good. TDKR was definitely the best one of the trilogy but it was still full of flaws. I do feel that the Nolan films have been put on a pedestal and that isn't good for the films themselves or future reboots of Batman when DC want to tie him into a cinematic universe where Batman exists amongst all the other superheroes. I think that'll be quite jarring to a lot of people.

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I couldn't agree more, as usual. =)

I don't understand why people are hating on Dark Knight Rises and Nolan so much, it was an amazing movie and a nice ending to an amazing trilogy. Was the movie perfect? No. It was damn near perfect in my eyes apart from the fact that John Blake was John Blake and not Dick Grayson and the way Talia was revealed and discarded in, like, five minutes. I also would have loved to see Ra's alive again, courtesy of the lazarus pits, and get the dilemma of Talia's torn love for her father and Batman. Instead she just hated him and tried to kill him and possibly died herself.

Other than that, I felt the movie was a respectful and captivating interpretation of the Batman mythos, interpretation being my main point. Not to mention the performances of all the characters and actors (especially, in my opinion, Selina, Alfred, Gordon, and of course Batman) As comic book fans of some of the best source material in fiction, we all want to see the same material brought to life and captured in a more visual and audible way rather than reading them in a book and seeing them in pictures (which is enough for me, but the idea of seeing it all 'come to life' is beyond appealing). However, when has a movie franchise or single film (especially those in mainstream film and adaptations of fictional stories and concepts been basically copied directly from the book exactly as we fell in love with them in the first place) ever perfectly followed the source material to a T? Someone please tell me, because I've never known a single one. Look at X-Men: First Class, hell, look at the original X-Men trilogy! Where was Angel? Where Was Beast? They didn't even come in until the third movie (though Beast, as normal-appearing Hank McCoy, which in itself is a HUGE plot hole that still hasn't been addressed or rectified, had a cameo in X2), and Angel was barely present and didn't even officially join the X-Men! Jean's Phoenix powers were quite promising in X2 before she supposedly died and they took the Phoenix in a completely and, in my opinion, appallingly different way in X3. Plus she, supposedly, killed Scott!

I'm getting off subject, but my point is that movies, especially Hollywood movies, are almost guaranteed to deviate from the source material at least partially. Why this is, I think, is because if they did basically do exactly what was done in the comics, we would know exactly what to expect and there would be no real surprise or shock to anyone but views unfamiliar with the source material. Would you still like the X-Men movies if they followed the exact same recipe and you knew exactly what to expect? I... probably wouldn't... probably. Nolan's take on Batman was, in all honesty, his interpretation brought to life. Film is art and art, amongst different artists, varies because we all have our own interpretations on life and the way we see ourselves and the world.

I like to think of Nolan's interpretation like the way a person does a good cover version to an amazing song: it simply could never be like the original, but has a similar feel and is different (and wonderful) in it's own way.

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Third movie was a turd. So MANY things wrong with it. A miserable ending for the trilogy. Thankfully, Batman will live on. More movies will be made, and while they may not be better than the first and (especially) the second Bale features, they cannot be much worse than the last one.

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@erik_norris: my only qualm is that the nuclear blast was so large and he was in the middle of the ocean and we see him fore most of the flight, and earlier he mentioned no auto pilot. I think , to me, that he died and that Alfred saw him at peace, because he was at peace with him self in death he was.

The only reason we saw Batman in the plane for so long was to make us believe his dead. Alfred was heart broken. He thought he had failed the Waynes, failed Bruce. Then he saw him alive and all was well again.

If Bruce is dead then Fox finding out about the autopilot would be pointless. The ending wasn't an attempt at Inception nor shouldn't it be one.

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The definitive Batman story? No, but Anne Hathaway now is, in my mind, the definitive Selina Kyle, right next to Adrienne Barbeau.

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@War Killer: Very well said, and that was my primary concern with the ending (as I tried to believe that Bruce died and Alfred's vision was an artsy goodbye).

However, something just doesn't sit right with me about it.

No doubt, what Batman did was heroic. But then what? What happens when Gotham undergoes another terrorist attack, as it's bound to happen? Blake doesn't have the skill that Wayne had in terms of training. He's just an ordinary cop. If/when Blake fails, what is Bruce gonna do? Just say "Welp! Sucks to suck, Gotham!" and go back to doing his own thing in Italy? I don't know. Just doesn't sit right with me.

I honestly don't think Bruce just left Blake just hanging like that. We know Blake has some training already from being a police officers, he's proven to be a pretty good detective having been able to deduce that Bruce was Batman. But I think it would be cool if Bruce had left a video recording sometime before he "died" for Blake which would help train him to become Batman. Like giving him the names and locations of different masters around the world and sending Blake on his own journey to become The Batman. I just really don't believe Bruce would just leave Blake with the suit and gear and hope for the best, that just doesn't sound like Bruce Wayne nor would it be of any help to Gotham.
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Norris, you hit the nail on the head. This Batman is more gear to building the city, that is Bruce Wayne Victory. Nolan verse is inspirational than any thing and not just pummble the bad guy into the ground. He let the city do its thing, but it failed. Off subject, must comic go getter, want to see the good guy fail and I think this is a problem with America, think that the bad guy is going to give them some kind of freedom, but just like Bain, empty promises. Back on subject, I think you can use Nolan verse, but with a twist. Bruce Wayne goes on, but he has to face the dark hearts, instead of Vengeance uses Courage. True use of will power to win.

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Great article Erik. I'm conflicted with if Bruce should of died. As it is gratifying to see our hero live on survive and be happy there's also the idea he should of died. It would have been powerful if Bruce died and the legend of the Batman lives for ever. Just as he said in Batman Begins, people can be corrupted, destroyed but a symbol is everlasting.

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I have to agree with you on all points. Esepcially about Bruce getting to be happy. I gave props for even trying that! And it was pulled off well, as in most cases fanboys would've lost their minds. That being said this is A definitive take on this character and it's world, but not THE definitive take. I'd still like to see something a bit closer to the comics. Take a long hard look at the Arkham games WB/DC cause that tpne is what you need.

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For me this is the definitive Batman story. The story isnt about Bruce its about the idea of Batman and the fact that the idea cant be killed. One of the biggest problems i have with the comic book Batman is the fact that he never changes. Batman is an ideal not a person. I think they tried pushing that at the beginning of Dick Graysons time as Batman. Thats what Alfred was trying to teach him IMO

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No. I think The Dark Knight Rises is the best comic book movie of all time (despite some flaws), but I don't even think Nolan's is the definitive film version. For one, the extremely serious take on it takes away from certain aspects of Batman's character. Both Batman Reutrns and Batman Forever have a better balance of dark-mood and light-feel, with the campiness they have thrown in. The other way these two movies illustrate that Nolan's is not the definitive version, is that their contrast illustrates how much range Batman has as a character, and both themselves show more range than the Nolanverse.

Batman Returns has a very gothic, very serious, yet surreal, playful feel to it. It's the Beetlejuice of Bat-films, most analogous to Dark Knight Returns or Alan Moore's batman stories.

Batman Forever has a consummate tone of darkness and morbid wonder; yet the scenes range from serious, campy, adult, cheesy, fun, and childish. This would be analogous to the serials as a whole, or Doug Moench's great run of the 90s.

The definitive Batman stories to me: The Tales of the Demon's Head, Knightsaga, No Man's Land. (Funnily, all of which inspired the Dark Knight Rises.)

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There is no way that John Blake (Robin) could take up the mantle of Batman. He doesn't even have any League of Shadows training! He would probably die the first night out on patrol.

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Perfect Batman trilogy? No. While they are really good they still miss the mark in making Batman what he really is. From a character stand point, I had many issues with things in the movies. I still really like them, but definitive? No.

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@TheCheeseStabber: Did you actually watch the movie? There is no ambiguity.

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Nolan is supposed to be working on a Superman movie too. It's going to be released in 2013.

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this thread is beginning to rip my knitting.

The article is asking what is the. And NOT what are the definitive Batman stories.

So Nolan's trilogy can be taken as one over arching story. But saying it's Frank Millers Year One and Alan Moore's The Killing joke can't be as there two different writers telling there take on The Batman, as great as they are. It's one or the other.

if you want to say it's the animated series then that's cool, I suppose as it was Bruce Tim / Paul Dini who were the show runners. So it's an over arching story. The same goes for The Dark Knight Returns & The Dark Knight Strikes Again. Well that's if you wanted to include strikes, not sure why you would though.

And While we are at it. Year One. Is Jim Gordon's story. And The Killing Joke is the Jokers. I have always felt that Batman is a secondary character, in both story's.

So, years from now, Some kid comes up to you and says "I want to know who this Batman guys is I keep hearing about. Give me a Graphic Novel or a DVD box set that will give me a grip on who this character is and what he is about. I don't have time to read the entire back log, I just want something that I can hold up and say this is The Batman. "

You would say, "what a strange request child. And how the hell can you not know who The Batman is"

And then you would hand them what?

the Nolan trilogy Blue Ray box set. Or The Long Halloween. Or The Dark Knight Returns. what stand up as the best example of The Batman.

sorry for the rant.

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I am one of the biggest Batman fans you will ever meet. And I have read most of the Batman's stories good and bad but have to say this is The Dark Knight Triliogy is the Definitive Batman Story