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Is DC Hinting Their Next Big Cross-Over Event?

Could the hints about the New Gods' return to the DC Universe be what connects Earth 1 and Earth 2?

Comic companies love big events, and so do comic readers (whether they want to admit to that fact or not); and some of the biggest events in DC Comics have been a result of two worlds merging together in an epic battle. Looking back at stories like 'Infinite Crisis' and 'Final Crisis,' these events dealt with characters from Earth 1 interacting with Earth 2, and very often we would see elements of Jack Kirby's New Gods as well. It's been a year since the launch of the DC reboot and we still have not had a big cross-over event, but how long will this last? How long until we see another event unfold in the DC Universe? We're guessing, not that much longer; and if you've been reading some of DC's biggest titles (JUSTICE LEAGUE and EARTH 2, for example) you might be inclined to agree with us.

NEW GODS #1
NEW GODS #1

We should probably start off with a refresher course on the NEW GODS in order to better understand what elements of Kirby's "fourth universe" are popping up in some of DC's recently released books. In February of 1971 Jack Kirby published the NEW GODS at DC comics. In this new series, Kirby created new characters inspired by the mythology of ancient civilizations. Using these new characters, Kirby wrote one of the most epic tales comics has ever seen: a battle between gods. Kirby begged the question of whether it's possible for good to overcome evil. His characters served to develop a metaphorical dialogue about good (Highfather, Orion and Mister Miracle) and evil (Darkseid), and the journey of good overcoming that evil. His stories are timeless, classic, and still referenced to this day in many DC books and story arcs.

NEW GODS #1
NEW GODS #1

In 2007 DC Comics published the first part of their 8-issue series, DEATH OF THE NEW GODS which was written and illustrated by Jim Starling. In this 8-issue event Starling put most of Kirby's classic characters to rest by killing them off. Characters like Mister Miracle, Orion and Big Barda (who died in a kitchen, of all places) met their doom at the hands of of an agent of the Source. You don't really need to know who killed them, just know that they died. The story ended in Final Crisis with the death of Darkseid. It has been several years since the death of the New Gods, but the reboot of the DCU gave the publisher the opportunity to bring many of these characters back to the forefront of comics -- and that's precisely what I think they are doing.

JUSTICE LEAGUE #4
JUSTICE LEAGUE #4

The first appearance of a New God came in DC's JUSTICE LEAGUE series written by Geoff Johns. The series' first issue launched five years in the past, where the league is fighting against Darkseid and his army of Parademons. In it, they fight together to defeat the evil ruler of Apokolips -- one of Kirby's New Gods. This was the only appearance of any New God in the New DC Universe until the first issue of EARTH 2 by James Robinson, released earlier this summer. The series launched with an ultimate battle between Steppenwolf (a member of Darkseid's elite, leader of the military on Apokolips) and ended with Steppenwolf's massacre of The Trinity (Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman). By launching the book with this scene, Robinson created an interesting parallel between the two worlds and opened up the possibility of the integration of Kirby's Fourth World New Gods into both Earth 1 and Earth 2. Both books launched five years in the past and featured members of the Justice League fighting off a world attack from Apokolips and Darkseid. Was it a coincidence that both Earths were fighting the same adversary at the same time?

EARTH 2 #1
EARTH 2 #1

Fast forward to the second issue of EARTH 2 when Jay Garrick is given the gift of speed from the God Mercury, who in the previous issue had fought against Darkseid alongside Wonder Woman. For those of you that are familiar with Roman Mythology, you might recall Mercury is also the Greek God Hermes, a character that you might recognize in playing a vital role in the pages of WONDER WOMAN. Clearly, there are two versions of this God, as well, because the Earth 2 Mercury dies while Earth 1 Hermes is still alive, kicking and causing trouble. The fact that the character exists in both universes, however, is another interesting parallel.

EARTH 2
EARTH 2

Since the end of the first arc in JUSTICE LEAGUE, we have not seen any New Gods -- that is until just this past week. WONDER WOMAN #12 was not only a great issue because it featured a fantastic story and beautiful art by Cliff Chiang, it also featured the first appearance of one very important character to the New Gods: Orion. On the final page of the issue we see a hand rise up out of the snow, and the silhouette of what appears to be Orion strapped to the Astro-Harness. Now, it's not just this image that is very interesting, it's the text on this page that is rather striking as well.

"Perhaps the fall of Olympus." That, right there, is pretty telling. The Olympians are Gods and if you've been reading WONDER WOMAN, you know that they are falling. In Jack Kirby's NEW GODS, he explains that the "Old Gods" would die and give way to the "New Gods." Does this mean we just witnessed the birth of Orion, a "New God?" And does this mean the New Gods will replace the Old, Olympian Gods? And what does that mean for Wonder Woman's history? Does it mean that DC is toying with the idea of changing the origins of the New Gods?

WONDER WOMAN #12
WONDER WOMAN #12

Now this opens up a whole heck of a lot of questions! In the regular DC Universe it has been five years since the appearance of a New God, according to the first fight we witnessed in JUSTICE LEAGUE. Now we see the appearance of Orion, and on the previous page, an omen of bad things to come.

Will the New Gods be the bridge between the next cross-over event in the DC Universe? Hints can be seen in both Earth 1 JUSTICE LEAGUE and EARTH 2. What do you think? Do you think this might be the next step for the DCU, or do you think I'm reaching? Would you like to see more of the New Gods appear in the DC Universe?

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@sethysquare: I didn't imply that long stories are bad. I feel they can be good if done right (like in a mini-series).

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I'm really excited for this, not gonna lie. If there are any set of characters in the DC universe who can benefit from fresh start, its them. If there's any saga I'm glad to see swept into continuity oblivion its the clumsily forced prelude to Final Crisis that was the Death of the New Gods.

I just hope some of the better parts of the mythos, like most everything about Granny Goodness and Orion, hasn't changed too much.

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The New Gods would definately add some much needed sustenance to the New 52! If I had a chance to build a universe from scratch' I would intergrate as many titles as I could, which DC has done a good job so far with their cross overs its just time to tie it all together. I also have to agree with Darth Shap, Geoff Johns made Darkseid seem like one of Batmans playthings!

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i wish they would hold on. its to soon.

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@LeaderVladimir: Actually Dan Didio has referred to the main Earth in the New 52 as Prime Earth a few times.

http://insidepulse.com/2012/04/02/demythify-dan-didios-five-things-you-didnt-know-about-dcs-multiverse-earth-one-earth-2-prime-etc/

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@jwalser3: Geoff Johns and Brian Michael Bendis are both great writers. But let's face it, they both specialize in different scales and types of fiction.

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@noj: Actually, the main DC Earth is called Earth-0. Earth-Prime is the Earth Superboy-Prime comes from.

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@Darkmount1 said:

@AtPhantom: Not me, smart guy--the only event related single issues I have ever gotten (from the modern era) are the FCBD-exclusive Blackest Night #0 and the freebie Origins of Siege comic.

I never called you out specifically. There were plenty of other people who said the same thing.

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Only thing I have issue with should DC bring the New Gods back in force, or fix in the events of Final Crisis since we've already seen Darkseid, is that they don't do a great job of really explaining what the New Gods are or how they really interact with the rest of the DC Universe outside of invasion or aid. Personally I'd like to see the New Gods given more of a Wildstorm treatment and stop with the "gods" aspect and just present them as a highly evolved species that live far outside the scope of the 3600 space sectors (thus why boom tubes are required for transport as the distance between their established star system and the rest of the dc universe is extremely vast) and that New Genesis and Apokolips are simply the two dominant planets in the system and Apokolips tries to tip the balance by invading the standard DC universe space. I think this would make them more accessible to new readers while keeping the same characters and contrasting tensions that old readers love about them.

That'd be pretty lame if you ask me. Also very limiting since here has always been a considerable mystical aspect to them.

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Only thing I have issue with should DC bring the New Gods back in force, or fix in the events of Final Crisis since we've already seen Darkseid, is that they don't do a great job of really explaining what the New Gods are or how they really interact with the rest of the DC Universe outside of invasion or aid. Personally I'd like to see the New Gods given more of a Wildstorm treatment and stop with the "gods" aspect and just present them as a highly evolved species that live far outside the scope of the 3600 space sectors (thus why boom tubes are required for transport as the distance between their established star system and the rest of the dc universe is extremely vast) and that New Genesis and Apokolips are simply the two dominant planets in the system and Apokolips tries to tip the balance by invading the standard DC universe space. I think this would make them more accessible to new readers while keeping the same characters and contrasting tensions that old readers love about them.

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@Darkmount1: So? I never said short stories are bad. But you're insinuating that long stories are bad which i disagree. How good a story isnt based on the length.

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@AtPhantom: Not me, smart guy--the only event related single issues I have ever gotten (from the modern era) are the FCBD-exclusive Blackest Night #0 and the freebie Origins of Siege comic.

@sethysquare: What about "Snowbirds Don't Fly", "One Bullet, Too Many", "Silent Interlude", and "The Night Gwen Stacy Died"? Those are considered some of the best comic stories, and they only took 1-2 issues to be told!

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@Darkmount1: uhm some of the best stories are told over a span of several issues. Rotworld, NIght of owls for example.

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The irony of this thread is that no matter how many people cry out "NO MORE" and raise their voice on how they sick of crossovers and earth-shattering events already, we all know that come next event, we're all going to read it and it will be the most successful comic of the season. DC and Marvel aren't stupid (Marketing-wise that is. They're stupid in plenty of other ways). They make big events because they work.

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I can't see any astro-harness in that picture, is he talking about another one? Oh and I thought Orion was a goodie.

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@sethysquare: We've been having those for years now, and I'm sick of them. While we have a bit of a reprieve for the DC side, they're going to do it again next year, and Marvel's had its foot on the gas as well. NO MORE ALREADY!!! I want stories told in one or two issues, NOT SEVEN!!!

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There was a time where this one cross-over merged all of the varying timelines/realities....Oh, that's right it was the original Crisis - On Infinite Earths. I don't know what DC is planning and although I do appreciate their not doing 6 cross over events a year - I don't like it that we're back to having multiple realities. This story shows promise though - we'll see.

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I've missed Orion

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@DarthShap:

Thanks for that clarification! Very interesting.

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I love how Dc is not having big event after event like Marvel. Thats why I dropped Marvel because it was like there are to many events going on at once. They need to take it slow like Dc is. I would love to see this but I would wait till a few months after the Trinity War because if this event is as big as it is suppose to be the heroes will need to recuperate after it. And if I'm thinking they'll kill someone off. Might not even major but they will need their time to mourn. So yes I would love to see the Rise of the New Gods in Wonder Woman or even in their own book. But I don't want a big event right after The Trinity war because then I would be so clustered with books I would have to get to keep up with it that I'd soon just drop Dc also. But Dc has been at those types of things. So nothing is to worry about.

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The Mega-verse is gonna be awesome. p.s. rip hunter mentions that the mega-verse will be born soon at the end of 52.

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It's too soon for a crossover event. They need to work on the individual characters of the new 52 a bit more IMO. If they jump right into a crossover, it needs to be after issue… #0s hit, or it will interrupt other runs, and continuity will be all messed up... Even more!

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Bring on the New Gods!

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It would be interesting to see the New Gods featured in Wonder Woman, and to see them worked into that mythology they have going on there. So that the New Gods would be more mythological like Wonder Woman has become. James Robinson did say that there is only one Darksied and Apocalypse, they exist outside of space and time. So if there is only one him there is only one Orion and only one of each New God. So I think most defiantly they will bridge the gap. There has been the death of the gods in both Earth 2 and whatever the DC Earth is. And the birth of Orion and it has been 5 years since Darksied has tried to overthrow anything.

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@LeaderVladimir:

Well it does tie into his history and abilities. I guess its because the chest piece looks like a neck brace that I don't like on Darkseid.

I guess I'm more used to the version Kirby did that's wearing a mini-kilt.

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That is a really good amount of information you just explained there and I'm interested in knowing more now.

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I thought Final Crisis still happened in the New 52, did it?

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I hope you're right.  Darkseid is my second-favorite DC villain, so having a major arc starring the new gods would be pretty cool. 
 
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I just really hope they keep some semblance of Kirby's designs intact. I was really dissatisfied with the DarkSeid design. While somethings should change, many of the new god designs are classic (many are not).

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@Kervan21 said:

I say that DC needs to keep the crossovers to a minimum. I get it's how the business functions, but all I'm interested in reading are Batman stories with Batman kicking ass in Gotham, Superman fighting his rogues in Metropolis, and so on. I'm personally much more interested in their own self-contained stories rather than a company-wide crossover. If a crossover event is contained to only a few select titles, ok. But I don't want to have to buy all those issues of a book I don't collect just to follow the story (I was enjoying TEEN TITANS until "The Culling" crossover. That one annoyed me. I'm really glad that story is done, as I'd rather just read straightforward stories about the team trying to figure out how to work with each other). We'll see, but I really hope that whatever next big event that's coming, it at least better be organic rather than forced upon all the writers. I'd much rather let Scott Snyder keep telling his Batman story without concern about some Trinity War happening somewhere.

i have the same feeling. i like the characters doing their thing in their city. Although, night of owls was pretty cool as it affected all the gotham based titles.

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Are the earth 2 hero's weaker then the main universe hero's?

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@boopie: Um...yes.

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Though I've never read a New Gods-driven title, I've always enjoyed their appearances in JLA, Final Crisis, and other stories. I'm really excited for this. I'd read a 4th world title if it provided me a good jumping-on point.

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@Killemall said:

One of my fav new god, sadly very very very under-estimated on battle forum. Everybody remembers Orion, Calibak but no one remembers Kanto, sadly.

Huh, and I thought I was the only one who gave a damn about him...

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@AtPhantom said:

@Killemall said:

New gods, we need Kanto :p

Hey, shut up. Kanto is awesome. :D

One of my fav new god, sadly very very very under-estimated on battle forum. Everybody remembers Orion, Calibak but no one remembers Kanto, sadly.

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@ThomasElliot said:

The 'myth' behind the Source and New Gods is actually really interesting... I appreciate that Grant Morrisson tried to make it relevant.

After reading all the Morrisson stuff in the past years, I interpret that he was attempting to make the DCU the '5th World'.... that the 4th World would die and it would turn out that the 5th world was Earth and the heroes were its new-new gods.

If you read canon about The Source... It created the First World which evolved into the 2nd World. War among the gods of the 2nd world led to the Source becoming fractured (the piece split off from it known as 'The Anti-Life'). The energy unleashed from the fracture destroyed the 2nd World, but led to the creation of the 3rd and 4th Worlds.

The Olympians ARE the 3rd World gods, that is (or was) DC canon. (they are NOT the 'Old Gods', those are the 2nd World gods... but none the less, the idea of 'old' gods giving way to 'new gods' still stands).

The Source felt that the 4th World was imperfect, since it was created by a 'gimped' Source missing its Anti-Life counterpart. So the Source all this time has been trying to reunite w/ the Anti-Life, destroy the 4th World, and wants to create a 5th World.

After Flashpoint... even though the narrative had nothing to do w/ any Gods, I had this hypothesis that Pandora may have been an agent for The Source, manipulating the Flash into somehow reuniting the Source with the Anti-Life and successfully creating the new DCU: The Fifth World. But, one year later, DC still hasn't given us anything more about Pandora and Flashpoint, even after all those hints and 'Where's Pandora?' pages. But the emergence of 4th World gods in the new DCU, that whole idea of a 5th World goes out the window.

Actually, when Kirby created New Gods, the 3rd world gods were the Olympians, the Egyptians, the Nordic Gods et caetera and they were the old gods who destroyed themselves. The problem is, DC needed those ancient gods alive and well and they had Byrne RetCon it. The result was that the ancient gods are not part of any "world". They are just regular human beings who became gods of sorts when the Source wave that destroyed the Third World and created the Fourth hit planet Earth.

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@Necrotic_Lycanthrope: I think the big Omega on his armor looks pretty cool.

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I do love how, in every continuity, the Greek Gods eventually shape up to be Darkseid's bitches. With Earth 2 this is, like, third or fourth time he's turned Olympus into a smoldering ruin. I hope next time they'll invest in some metaphysical security or something...

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actually I've been wondering about the fact that Apokolips invades both Earth 1 and 2 with two different leaders, Darkseid and Steppenwolf respectively. Is it that Apokolips could be a nexus for Earths 1 and 2 to meet?

Also if you noticed in Earth 1 it's Hermes but in Earth 2 he's Mercury ... I don't know how significant that is...

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Informative article. Thanks for the update.

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The 'myth' behind the Source and New Gods is actually really interesting... I appreciate that Grant Morrisson tried to make it relevant.

After reading all the Morrisson stuff in the past years, I interpret that he was attempting to make the DCU the '5th World'.... that the 4th World would die and it would turn out that the 5th world was Earth and the heroes were its new-new gods.

If you read canon about The Source... It created the First World which evolved into the 2nd World. War among the gods of the 2nd world led to the Source becoming fractured (the piece split off from it known as 'The Anti-Life'). The energy unleashed from the fracture destroyed the 2nd World, but led to the creation of the 3rd and 4th Worlds.

The Olympians ARE the 3rd World gods, that is (or was) DC canon. (they are NOT the 'Old Gods', those are the 2nd World gods... but none the less, the idea of 'old' gods giving way to 'new gods' still stands).

The Source felt that the 4th World was imperfect, since it was created by a 'gimped' Source missing its Anti-Life counterpart. So the Source all this time has been trying to reunite w/ the Anti-Life, destroy the 4th World, and wants to create a 5th World.

After Flashpoint... even though the narrative had nothing to do w/ any Gods, I had this hypothesis that Pandora may have been an agent for The Source, manipulating the Flash into somehow reuniting the Source with the Anti-Life and successfully creating the new DCU: The Fifth World. But, one year later, DC still hasn't given us anything more about Pandora and Flashpoint, even after all those hints and 'Where's Pandora?' pages. But the emergence of 4th World gods in the new DCU, that whole idea of a 5th World goes out the window.

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DC has been smart to stay away from big crossovers. The few 2-3 issue crossovers between a couple books, is okay. I think ALL the companies shoud avoid the big crossover event. It's to much to keep up with as a reader, to expensive. If you want to to it, then make it a stand alone series. I'd buy a Trinity War book that was 8-12 issues, but I will not get dragged into buying a mini-series and then 52 other books. It's lunacy.

Heck, if you want the focus, put out the crossover in consecutive weeks, and suspend all other books. Make it the focus, and get it over with quick, then after 1-2 months, go back to the weeklies.

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What about: "Reverse-Flashpoint: Everything will go back to normal - in a FLASH!"

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@Killemall said:

New gods, we need Kanto :p

Hey, shut up. Kanto is awesome. :D

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Alright, let's give the New Gods another go I guess. Weren't they hinting at a New Gods return even before the New 52?

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Yay, more great characters for the reboot to ruin

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Very interesting article, thanks!

I really would like to see that coming...

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I'm loving the link between the Olympian Gods and the New Gods. Bringing in Orion in the next Wonder Woman story is gonna be a real treat.

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does anyone really like or care about the New Gods besides Grant Morrison?

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@InnerVenom123 thats family events not cross over events
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for those that missed it.. this all got going from the 1st story arch of justice league NEW GODS! i'll be in sounds good though...all those cool charactors and stories with this new flavour and not having to spend a but load to catch up on old books.. win win