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Is Daredevil a Better Match For Black Cat Than Spider-Man?

Marvel's leading lady (leading according to me anyway) might want to look for love elsewhere.

The Black Cat is crossing the paths of the Spider and the Devil, but only of those eligible bachelor's walked away with more than a string of bad luck. (Slight spoilers the Daredevil #8) Ol' Hornhead took a fancy to Ms. Hardy and she seemed a little bit put off by Spidey's attempt at a rebound romp, so she was quite receptive to Murdock's advances (or made advances of her own depending on how you read the story).

While Black Cat has always been my favorite Marvel female, my first reaction to this turn was intrigue, but also disappointment. Cat and Spidey always had such an interesting dynamic that only grew more interesting the more one of them tried to avoid it, but after some contemplation I came to the revelation that Daredevil may actually be a superior love interest for Black Cat, even despite her criminal past...and present.

Nothing spices up a love triangle like a new third corner!
Nothing spices up a love triangle like a new third corner!
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Let's be perfectly clear here: part of the appeal of this angle is that Black Cat is a straight-up criminal. And not just in the same way that Matt Murdock is (vigilantism is still illegal in the Marvel U), but as an unrepentant burglar. Sure, she only robs from the rich and gives to...herself, but crime is still crime and Murdock's always had an over-inflated sense of justice (see also: every interaction with the Punisher), so getting involved with Felicia could definitely complicate things. On the other side of the coin, Ms. Hardy's well-known distaste for Peter Parker being at odds with her affection for Spider-Man could boil over much more substantially seeing as how Murdock is a lawyer and something of a goody-two-shoes when not wearing his mask. On the other hand, he's much more charming than the stammering, luckless Parker and I'd even go so far as to call him "debonaire." I mentioned on the Jan 20th podcast that Murdock...does well with the ladies, I'll say, and that's almost always without the use of his costume.

Felicia never was a
Felicia never was a "wait and see" type.

And that might be what's at the heart of why these two are perfect for each other: Murdock is someone Felicia could still find attractive when the costume comes off (as it did in his apartment). He is, if you'll pardon the pun, more daring and more charming in his public persona. And it's pretty obvious that Matt needs to date a woman who can take care of herself, despite the fact that it didn't save Elektra, women with skills tend to do better when dealing with the Devil (remember poor Karen Page? How about Milla Donovan?) and Black Cat's shown herself as more than capable.

Beyond that, Daredevil's women have always been much more serious than him and that tends to be why they either get left behind or straight-up leaving him, but Felicia's always been a fun-loving type who can easily keep up with Murdock's high-maintenance lifestyle(s) as well as be fine with his flighty personality.

At the end of the day, Mark Waid has, in his brief run, already had several moments that made me stand up and say "How has NOBODY thought to do this with Daredevil before?!" (No, seriously, NO ONE every thought to put Daredevil against Klaw? NO ONE?!) and this romance falls solidly into that category. As much as I love Black Cat, her pairing with Spidey makes less and less sense the more you think about it, and don't even get me started on Claws or setting her up with Puma of all people, but Daredevil fits the bill as far as I'm concerned. As the Official Arbiter of Black Cat Storylines* (*not an official title), I give my blessing and hope that this isn't just a one or two issue affair.

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i love felecia and peter's relationship, but its about time she's moved on since its always mj or gwen...she deserves better, daredevil is awesome.

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Mmm... Where I saw something similar? mmm... a good dark guy in love with a cat thief... mmm...

I'll tell you when I remember it, anyway I loved that issue, so much "bad romance"

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It seems too early in Daredevil's new volume to do this.To be perfectly honest I've never enjoyed Daredevil's relationships outside of the one with Karen Page.

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I could see her with DD sure...but for some reason I'll always see Felicia and Peter as together. Just my opinion of course.

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It is an interesting dynamic, didn't know this was happening. Hmm...well, Murdock sure hasn't had a very good track record with women. I mean, Peter Parker at least managed a few positive girls like Betty Brant while Murdock--well his stable of women speaks for itself. It isn't so much that Murdock is more a Playboy type it is that he has been with women who have very strong personalities in one way or another. Strong but also full of drama. More so than Pete.

However, I can see where Black Cat would be someone a bit more "fun" to a degree, at least compared to DD's past women. The thing with Murdock, which you have to remember, is that he may not be able to "see" all of Felicia's faults. *pun intended*

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@azza04 said:

No No No No No No No NO!

Yes?

@ReVamp said:

@danhimself said:

I just don't like it....I don't know why....I just don't

Yeah... Also cause she's playing him IIRC

Not sure you CAN play Daredevil. The guy's more commitment-phobic than Hugh Hefner.

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Pfft. Waid wrote a really crummy Spider-Man. Seriously, the guy simply ignored what Slott was actually doing with Spider-Man, and wrote Peter off like a whiney little bitch. Too me, Waid's essentially stealing the Back Cat - Spider-Man dynamic, and copying it straight into the Daredevil books.

It's not even an original angle, simply something that's been going on in the Spider-Man books, now has transfered towards Daredevil. I'll be quite dissappointed if this were to continue. Daredevil deserves his own love/flirt interests.

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DD is a player. Plus I think this dynamic is just to mirror the Batman/Catwoman dynamic.

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hey, so long as it makes spidey and MJ closer you can give his other love interest to whoever you want

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chicks dig blind guys

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So let me get this straight. Black Cat wants to have a lot of sex with Spider-Man with the condition she know nothing about his real identity because she has the feeling it will make him less interesting... hmmm.

Without knowing the current storyline you mention she wanted a so called "meeting" with him and when he didn't play by the rules she turned her attention to a hero with a known real identity because that makes him more interesting.

I think this sounds lame imo but that could be because Black Cat has been less interesting to me since she set up the rules with ol' pete. lol

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Nah, Peter and Black Cat are better and I hope they attempt to rekindle that old flame.

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I hate love triangles >:(

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I'm not sure Cat and DD can last. They're both too fickle. But you're right about one thing. She is Marvel's leading lady. XD

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Well...It'll just be Batman and Catwoman, then...

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No.

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Yea, it is kind of Batman/Catwomanish...no. It's REALLY Batman/Catwomanish.

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Considering how she's been written lately, why the hell would anyone with common sense bother with her?!?!

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Marvel needs to find something to do with Felicia.Only existing as a love interest for other characters is a meaningless existence.

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I mean..she might not die..

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How many men in how many decades I mean come on the characters practically a nun

It's not like she's She Hulk

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no...

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I think this might feel weird because DD and Black Cat together feels like Batman and Catwoman gone wrong. Spidey and Black Cat is different enough that it feels like its own thing, but this new matchup is maybe too close to home. Its kind of like how the closer robots come to looking human, the more repulsed we get, because they just look "off." Plus Black Cat knows she can never have a long term relationship, so she runs aways from anything that feels too real to save herself the pain. This DD thing will pass as soon as it gets too serious. Should be fun to watch, though.

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NO. The only reason their "interaction" happened was so Cat could steal the unstable molecular thing from DD.

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I don't have a problem with DD and Black cat hooking up. What I have a problem with is Mark Waid making Spider-man look like a total loser just so that daredevil could look cooler in comparison, honestly I think that is what Waid was going for if you ask me. I'm just glad Slott made up for this insult to his character by having him make out with Silver Sable in ASM 679.

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My impression is that DD will not be as tolerant towards the Black Cat than Spider-Man. If she didn't like her relationship with Puma, it's only a matter of time before she leaves DD for Spider-Man yet again. The problem for Felicia is that she'll have a tough time getting Spider-Man back. Especially when there are other women who want him as well like,

Silver Sable

Ms. Marvel

Psylocke

Mystique

Spider-Woman(Jessica Drew)

She-Hulk

If she could get pass them, she'll deserve to be Spider-Man's love interest.

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@saoakden said:

This sounds interesting.

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Matt and Felicia is a good match...for a short term fling. Their personalities match up well. Matt because he is a flirt and horn dog that loves the ladies that are bad for him. Black Widow, typhoid mary, Elektra to name a few..

And Felicia could find using Matt to both be fun and profitable.

But if you read the story, Felicia might be dollar signs as opposed to the big picture, so the kitten may be doing more harm then she realized.

But as the book said

This is why no one likes to team up with Daredevil lol

Fun hook up and like the idea, but she is a Spider Girl all the way

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@nahadef said:

I thought this listening to it being stated in the podcast, but...

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I'm sure it has to do with my age, but even though I don't remember reading the issue, the cover is well burned in my mind. Someone did think to pair Daredevil with Klaw, and they did it 25 years ago ;)

Thank you,

As for my thoughts on this relationship.......I think I need to do that review after all........

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Lets face it eventually DD is just gonna dump her too. Felicia has shown many times that she is not relationship material. Spider-man shouldn't feel bad about Black cat rejecting him, cause she doesn't deserve him anyway. And besides there putting Spiderman back with MJ AGAIN!!!!!!!! God I really wish they would hook Spiderman up with a hot interesting superhero chick too,but the thing with Silver Sable was pretty legit.

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Yes. Let's face it. Their both playas and Spidey isn't (not saying that Pete can't get it).

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@nahadef: Well played. I thought exactly the same thing. --- I even thought it while reading the issues. Daredevil acted like he never met the character before.

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ugh I hate Black Cat, she's so petty and jealous

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Spidey and Black Cat have always been the cute couple. Would be weird to see her with DD!?!

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Not really IMO

@darthfury78 said:

My impression is that DD will not be as tolerant towards the Black Cat than Spider-Man. If she didn't like her relationship with Puma, it's only a matter of time before she leaves DD for Spider-Man yet again. The problem for Felicia is that she'll have a tough time getting Spider-Man back. Especially when there are other women who want him as well like,

Silver Sable

Ms. Marvel

Psylocke

Mystique

Spider-Woman(Jessica Drew)

She-Hulk

If she could get pass them, she'll deserve to be Spider-Man's love interest.

Since when did these two say that they like spidey?

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@iLLituracy said:

But she's a thief!

And he's a lawyer!

This sounds like a really bad sitcom...or a really good one...

And they said that Jennifer Walters x Peter Parker wouldn't because:

He's a Scientist

And she's a Lawyer

Not a very good combination, according to them. What do you think? She-Hulk x Spider-Man works better than DD x Black Cat!!!!

@Decept-O said:

It is an interesting dynamic, didn't know this was happening. Hmm...well, Murdock sure hasn't had a very good track record with women. I mean, Peter Parker at least managed a few positive girls like Betty Brant while Murdock--well his stable of women speaks for itself. It isn't so much that Murdock is more a Playboy type it is that he has been with women who have very strong personalities in one way or another. Strong but also full of drama. More so than Pete.

However, I can see where Black Cat would be someone a bit more "fun" to a degree, at least compared to DD's past women. The thing with Murdock, which you have to remember, is that he may not be able to "see" all of Felicia's faults. *pun intended*

Peter has had some relationships with women with strong personalities like Michele Gonzales and Carol Danvers. However, Silver Sable and Jessica Drew have (strong personality types) expressed an interest in Spider-Man as well.

@spideyfan69 said:

Lets face it eventually DD is just gonna dump her too. Felicia has shown many times that she is not relationship material. Spider-man shouldn't feel bad about Black cat rejecting him, cause she doesn't deserve him anyway. And besides there putting Spiderman back with MJ AGAIN!!!!!!!! God I really wish they would hook Spiderman up with a hot interesting superhero chick too,but the thing with Silver Sable was pretty legit.
There has always been tension between her and Spider-Man. If there was a man who could hold her interest in the highest regard, it's Spider-Man. Silver usually shows her gratitude with cash. If she kiss somebody, then that means she's beginning to understand Spider-Man. And the kiss is a hint that Silver likes Spider-Man a lot, while she probably will not admit it to him. And the only way for a mutual relationship to develop between them is for Silver Sable to be the one to initiate it as Spider-Man would not have known otherwise.

Never the less, I feel that Spider-Man's mutual relationships should be expanded. The list is as follows:

Ms. Marvel
Silver Sable
Spider-Woman
She-Hulk
Psylocke

Any of the above women would make for a legitimate relationship, as far as mutual relationship goes.
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I don't really want see her "with" anyone. She's a great character and impresses me as a strong, in control self made woman. Yet, in her appearances over the past couple years it seems most times she is used as a male characters mate/date/sidekick. Almost as if it's become the staple of her character. I've seen her written much better than as anyone's toy.

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Maybe I missed something but I thought the last few pages of issue #8 explained that The Cat was just using DD to get that database thingy?

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@DropSolo said:

Maybe I missed something but I thought the last few pages of issue #8 explained that The Cat was just using DD to get that database thingy?

That's how its starts and before they know it they're hooked.

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@daredevil21134: Nah. The reveal will be DD was hip to her wiles all along and he's playing along to get a lead on Black Spectre or The Secret Empire.

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@DropSolo said:

@daredevil21134: Nah. The reveal will be DD was hip to her wiles all along and he's playing along to get a lead on Black Spectre or The Secret Empire.

LOL

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bet ya Daredevil never saw that kiss coming.....bazinga.

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@CaioTrubat said:

Imagine if Selina Kyle started to date Dick Grayson instead of Bruce Wayne. Think for 2 minutes and tell me its wrong.

actually to be honest, it gives me hope :P

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@CATPANEXE: I agree I think she does better not being tied down but one paring that would be fun to see would be her and Kaine (current Scarlet Spider) he's a clone of Peter Parkers so he's basically Spider-man except he's got more of an attitude and is more relaxed on using more brutal attacks and debates killing quite a lot. As he has a more fiery personality than Spider-man he would definitely call her on her bulls***t so they would clash a lot but ultimately it would be rather amusing for them to meet even if it doesn't become romantic considering her past with Spider-man.

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@danhimself said:

I just don't like it....I don't know why....I just don't

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@Strider92: That's somewhat redundant, no offense, and I don't recall posting my opinion as a retraction to your prior (unless your the OP's, then sure)? You agree that she should be single and defined as her own character rather than anothers booster, but she should be with " this " character instead in his series because she'll look good on him more or less? I think you didn't understand my post nor agree with what I said.

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@CATPANEXE: No I agree she should stay single and have a stand alone series! What I was saying was that IF they had to hook her up I think that would be interesting but i'd still prefer her as her own character and not just someone's sidekick/girlfriend.

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@Strider92: Had to hook her up? Again, I don't think you followed it, sorry. If she was Kaine's girlfriend in Scarlet Spider (Yes, I know who he is, I read comic books, hence 4 years as a member of a site about them) and a supporting cast member of his book that would a redux of what they've done so far with her character and continue the cycle of adding obscurity to it. Agreeing that she should be single and would be perfect to be another characters sidekick, is redundant. Again, I'm not sure where you concluded my post was a reply or argument to one you made prior either. I'm somewhat confused by this, sorry?

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His girlfriends always die, do they really want to kill her off?

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Felicia deserves a bit of happiness. So i hope it works out between the two, i feel sorry for her just being Spider's bootycall. She deserves much better than that.