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Hulk Vs. Iron Man in ORIGINAL SIN #3.1

The two Avengers will clash this June.

This June, Original Sin continues to unravel everything we have ever known about the Marvel Universe as shocking revelations deliver gamma bomb-sized changes directly to two of Marvel’s greatest heroes – the Invincible Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk in the pages of Original Sin: Hulk vs. Iron Man.

Speaking with USA Today, Marvel’s Editor in Chief Axel Alonso said, “Original Sin reveals a deeply buried secret shared by Tony Stark and Bruce Banner that dates back to the fateful gamma-bomb explosion that created the Hulk."

Was Tony Stark responsible for creating the Hulk? Prepare for an answer that will shock you in the four-issue Hulk vs. Iron Man, beginning with June’s Original Sin #3.1 and continuing through Original Sin #3.4 – from Hulk writer Mark Waid and Iron Manscribe Kieron Gillen with art by Mark Bagley and Luke Ross!

Bruce Banner and Tony Stark are in for an emotional roller coaster, courtesy of Mark Waid and Kieron Gillen! Fans have been in love with their often assisting, yet dueling dynamic for years – but now the Jade Giant and the Armored Avenger are on a collision course like never before!

Hulk and Iron Man editor Mark Paniccia said, “People have been digging the love/hate relationship between Marvel’s polar opposite geniuses both on screen and in the comics. We’re delving into some really compelling history with Tony and Bruce…some very cool dots will get connected and you’ll see one of the best superhero fights in history.”

This Spring, Marvel’s latest epic mystery brings an intense mile-a-minute murder mystery that only Marvel could deliver. The lifeless body of Uatu, the all-seeing Watcher, has been found on the Moon. The Watcher has been present since the beginning of time and has witnessed every Marvel event that has ever occurred – many we are aware of and some, we have never known about!

The manhunt is on for the killer who sole the Watcher’s eyes, which contain all the history of the Marvel Universe that has ever happened, which has now been exposed to Marvel’s greatest heroes!

As Original Sin continues to garner mainstream media buzz, retailers are encouraged to check their orders on these hotly anticipated titles. The truth is now out there. Our sins have been exposed. Prepare for the fallout this June in HULK VS. IRON MAN #1 (ORIGINAL SIN #3.1)!

ORIGINAL SIN #3.1

Written by MARK WAID

Art by MARK BAGLEY

Cover by JG. JONES

Variant by GREG LAND

On-Sale This June!

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Edited by Maddpanda531

They won't make it so Iron Man created Hulk, right?...Right?

Retcons hopefully aside, this sounds pretty cool. Iron Man and Hulk are a fun duo.

Edited by Jonny_Anonymous

This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard

Edited by dondave

That Land cover is pretty sweet

Posted by TheAcidSkull

F*CK.ME!

They better f*cking twist this up. F*CKING SH*T!

Posted by CaptainHoopla

Uh oh, drunk Tony gamma bombed Bruce.

Posted by Squalleon

This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard

F*CK.ME!

They better f*cking twist this up. F*CKING SH*T!

I don't like it either I just don't know why, I think it is because I think it is stupid to make everything interconnected. Why don't you?

Posted by TheAcidSkull

@squalleon: Because it takes an essential part of Hulks history and attributes it to tony.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

@jonny_anonymous said:

This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard

@theacidskull said:

F*CK.ME!

They better f*cking twist this up. F*CKING SH*T!

I don't like it either I just don't know why, I think it is because I think it is stupid to make everything interconnected. Why don't you?

Pretty much the same. It strips all the uniqueness away from it like when they tried to connect the Phoenix Force to Kun L'un.

Posted by Squalleon

I still think Original Sin is a rediculous event. With no hype behind it(I know it will sell), while ANOTHER EVENT is still going, that will force characters to spill their "deepest" secrets AGAIN, making more idiotic retcons that will confuse the reader even more.

@squalleon: Because it takes an essential part of Hulks history and attributes it to tony.

mmm...this is exactly what I meant with I don't like everything interconnected. Thanks :-)

Posted by waezi2
Posted by Squalleon
Edited by CaptainHoopla

Gillen has already screwed with Iron Man/Tony's origin, better watch out Hulk.

Edited by SmashBrawler
Edited by Jonny_Anonymous

@waezi2 said:

@jonny_anonymous: Its Waid, when did he ever fail?

The second he started righting DD also ask Hulk fans how happy they are with him at the moment

Edited by waezi2

@jonny_anonymous: I liked his DD, and his Hulk too. Its not bad, its just allot of people peeved over him trying something new with the characters.

Posted by waezi2

@smashbrawler: What is wrong with the Kingdom? Sure, is not as good as Kingdom Come, but i wasn't men to be.

Posted by frozenedge

If they wanted Hulk to fight somebody in Original Sin just have him and Hyperion go at it again.

Posted by waezi2
Posted by SmashBrawler

@waezi2: Well, aside from the fact a lot of KC characters who died in the original return completely without any kind of explanation whatsoever, that Superman and Wonder Woman decided to make their son's existence public even though that's the stupidest idea ever concieved, that the plot as a whole is just a springboard for an idea that writers barely used before it went into obscurity... I could sit here and explain why I hate that series all day but I don't have the time.

Sure, is not as good as Kingdom Come, but i wasn't men to be.

Oh please. "Oh, this series can't possibly be as good as the original so I'll just write a mediocre sequel!" What a lazy excuse, no writer worth a dime thinks that way, I quite certainly don't think Waid was thinking that when he wrote The Kingdom.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

@waezi2: You mean complete character reversal and sloppy writing.

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@smashbrawler said:

@waezi2: Well, aside from the fact a lot of KC characters who died in the original return completely without any kind of explanation whatsoever, that Superman and Wonder Woman decided to make their son's existence public even though that's the stupidest idea ever concieved, that the plot as a whole is just a springboard for an idea that writers barely used before it went into obscurity... I could sit here and explain why I hate that series all day but I don't have the time.

Sure, is not as good as Kingdom Come, but i wasn't men to be.

Oh please. "Oh, this series can't possibly be as good as the original so I'll just write a mediocre sequel!" What a lazy excuse, no writer worth a dime thinks that way, I quite certainly don't think Waid was thinking that when he wrote The Kingdom.

Dude, chill. WHY shouldn't their son be public known? Its not like they have a secret identity. And what characters are we talking about? And I didn't mean that its because is a sequel, but because its a different kind of story that was primary made to introduce the concept of Hypertime.

Your kind of rude, you know that?

Posted by SmashBrawler

@waezi2 said:

WHY shouldn't their son be public known? Its not like they have a secret identity.

Oh, I don't know, perhaps because of the hundreds of supervillains that could come for him including the one that actually did?

And what characters are we talking about?

Offspring, Kid Flash, Zatara, among others.

And I didn't mean that its because is a sequel, but because its a different kind of story that was primary made to introduce the concept of Hypertime.

Precisely. If he wanted to introduce Hypertime, he should've done so in his own story, not revisit another story which he didn't even come up with.

Your kind of a rude, you know that?

Really? I didn't think I was actually offending you. Even so, if I did, I apologize.

Posted by KEROGA

I do love the interaction between Tony and Bruce in INDESTRUCTIBLE HULK. Just pointing that out there.

Posted by waezi2

@smashbrawler: I have a counter-answer for all your arguments, but in the end, cant we just agree that we disagree?

Posted by SmashBrawler

@waezi2: Alright.

But most of the art still sucks though.

Posted by waezi2
Posted by waezi2
Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf

Original Sin: Tony slept with Betty Ross.

Posted by saoakden

You know this looks interesting.

Edited by Nahuel

Muahahahahahahaha

Marvel, you screwin'up big time!!

I'm so glad I dropped all of their books.

Posted by Ancient_0f_Days

This seems almost as disappointing as the New 52

Posted by jwalser3

So, why don't people want Tony to be the cause of the Hulk?

Edited by LightPsyche

To me, it appears as if the second picture demonstrates Tony having a hand in transforming Bruce into the Hulk, while the third picture demonstrates Bruce having a hand in being responsible for Tony being injured on his trip to Afghanistan.

So they "created" one another, it would appear.

Posted by SmashBrawler

@waezi2: Of course I did, and I loved it. Although I still think it's dumb that Superman just threw a temper tantrum and left after people starting treating him like an anachronism. He faced the exact same situation with the Elite but instead of ragequitting he faced them and kicked their asses. I guess the story's also supposed to show what if Superman were to quit his neverending battle but meh, it still rubs me the wrong way.

Posted by TheAcidSkull

@jwalser3 said:

So, why don't people want Tony to be the cause of the Hulk?

It's redundant and kinda nullifies the uniqueness and importance of their origin.

Edited by waezi2

@smashbrawler: OK, its just that some of your arguments are... odd. For example:

Oh, I don't know, perhaps because of the hundreds of supervillains that could come for him including the one that actually did?

What super-villains are we talking about? They are pretty much all dead. They were killed by the new superheroes who came after Sups self-exile. And again, Sups and Wonderwomans identities are public known, so it would be hard to hide the pregnancy to begin with. I guess they could, I don't know... hide her in the Fortress Of Solitude for nine months, but it doesn't sound like Diana's style.

Precisely. If he wanted to introduce Hypertime, he should've done so in his own story, not revisit another story which he didn't even come up with.

You do know that Waid wrote Kingdom Come, right? Do you mean that someone else had the idea and made Waid wrote it for that someone?

Posted by Lvenger

I have enormous respect for Waid as a writer on his past DC projects and as someone that stands up to BS from anyone in the comic industry. Having said that, this development is plain disappointing and utterly absurd. Having Tony be the cause of Hulk detracts from the sheer uniqueness of Hulk's emergence as a character ie his inner childhood rage boiling to the surface in the form of the Hulk after the gamma bomb explosion. If the gamma bomb is another one of All Star Tony Stark's projects, that takes away from what it is that makes Bruce and Hulk's dynamic as complex as it is. It should be an interaction between Bruce's mental selves, not due to Stark's involvement at all.

I can't wait to see what the Hulk fanboys on this site think of this. I bet they're going to be hopping mad.

Edited by waezi2

@waezi2: Of course I did, and I loved it. Although I still think it's dumb that Superman just threw a temper tantrum and left after people starting treating him like an anachronism. He faced the exact same situation with the Elite but instead of ragequitting he faced them and kicked their asses.

I think the difference was that Lois died. It was too much for him

Edited by leokearon

Tony's micro transistors were probably used in the Gamma Bomb construction.

That or this

Posted by TDK_1997

Yet again Marvel couldn't have done a single event without any superhero fights.It seems like they just don't get tired of them at all and even want to make even more frequent than they are currently.

But now on to the subject.This is a ridiulous thing coming from Mark Waid.I haven't ever though that he could do such a mindless and idiotic thing as changing a character's origin into something ridiculous as this seems.I just hope that this doesn't end up to be the crap I think it is.

Edited by TheAcidSkull

@squalleon: @jonny_anonymous: @lvenger:

Now that I've had time to cool off, here are my thoughts on the subject. For one thing, this looks bad, I mean really really bad, but again, it only seems like that on a very superficial level, and I doubt i'd be something like stark sabotaging bruce's work or stark helping bruce build the Gamma Bomb, it just seems way to obvious , and I doubt someone like Waid would go down that path. Honestly it's to sh*tty to be true, and it's very unlike me to not try to find the positive aspect about a specific event. So here's what I THINK they are aiming for, this will be more focused on evolving their relationship rather than one creating the other, I honestly thing that tony being involved in Hulks creating is too off, It'll will probably put a twist on a what we are expecting and try to create something unique, something that we won't probably see coming, considering that basically all evidence leads to one single thing, which is tony somehow being involved in Hulks creation.

Either ways, it's a GOOD opportunity, I'll give it that, but it can easily become a sh*t storm in just about 3 seconds, so I HOPE that they at least try to surprise and shock us, because honestly It will ruin a lot of things which are already established in hulks history. Now Waid I trust, Gillen not so much. Nothing against him but I immensely disliked his Iron man retcon and I honestly hope it had never happened.( Plus the odds of Howard stark having an adopted gifted child who looks exactly like him is ridiculous.) So, despite my doubts, hopefully this will turn out to be good, I will however, approach it with a certain degree of skepticism.

Here's a quote from waid which i find interesting:

"Even given the question on the table, there is sill something very heroic about the decisions [Tony] makes in this story. It's easy to write a cynical story where you find out that there's an original sin and somebody's done something wrong. It's easy to reveal something dark about a character, but the hard part -- and to me the most rewarding part -- is to try to figure out a way in which that helps define them as a hero rather than just tarnishes them."

Edited by CheeseSticks

@tdk_1997 said:

Yet again Marvel couldn't have done a single event without any superhero fights.It seems like they just don't get tired of them at all and even want to make even more frequent than they are currently.

But now on to the subject.This is a ridiulous thing coming from Mark Waid.I haven't ever though that he could do such a mindless and idiotic thing as changing a character's origin into something ridiculous as this seems.I just hope that this doesn't end up to be the crap I think it is.

Just after DC's Trinity War? I think both are out of idea.

Edited by TDK_1997

@tdk_1997 said:

Yet again Marvel couldn't have done a single event without any superhero fights.It seems like they just don't get tired of them at all and even want to make even more frequent than they are currently.

But now on to the subject.This is a ridiulous thing coming from Mark Waid.I haven't ever though that he could do such a mindless and idiotic thing as changing a character's origin into something ridiculous as this seems.I just hope that this doesn't end up to be the crap I think it is.

Just after DC's Trinity War? I think both are out of idea.

At least DC don't make every event a major here vs hero thing like Marvel.

Edited by SmashBrawler

@waezi2: Alright, last post because we're getting really off-topic here:

About the supervillains: Just because they're pretty much all dead doesn't mean a new villain couldn't surface or one of them could resurrect (this is the DCU after all). Just seems immensely reckless for two of the greatest superheroes ever (or three, Batman was supposed to have a part on raising the child as well). They could've raised him in Themyscira or they could've created new fake identities, it shouldn't be hard at all for someone with their resources. The lesson at the end of KC was that superhumans had become too detached from humanity, I can't see how they'd raise a son with those ideals when he's a friggin' celebrity. They should've raised him like a normal child, teaching him the values of humanity.

About the autorship: Waid wrote Kingdom Come but he didn't come up with the concept. Alex Ross pitched Kingdom Come to DC but needed an actual writer to work on the project, that's where Waid comes along. Now, he did add some stuff aside from the script (such as the religious overtones, although frankly they're not essential to the story at all).

Personally, the epilogue from Thy Kingdom Come will always be my favorite "sequel" to KC.

Edited by GraniteSoldier

As long as they don't screw with Banner and Hulk's origin, that's fine. I personally like thw competitive bromance between Tony and Bruce, and liked how in Indestructible it showed them back in college together. Personally I think it will springboard off that, and not involve Tony at all with the construction of the bomb or anything of that nature.

Still just not into Original Sin though, just not for me I guess.

Edited by myerlanski

Sounds interesting to me.

Posted by iaconpoint

@waezi2 said:

@smashbrawler: I have a counter-answer for all your arguments, but in the end, cant we just agree that we disagree?

It's time to stop being nice and get real! M'kay?

Posted by waezi2

@iaconpoint: What, you want me to argue about the Kingdom being a good comic or not for a month?

Posted by Immortal

Hulk is the best!!!!

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