First Look: NEW AVENGERS #25 - an Avengers Vs. X-Men Tie-In

I hate these First Looks cuz it leaves me with more questions than answers. When the Phoenix appears it looks like it's appearing over K'un-Lun. The redheaded girl seems to be doing martian arts and the fire is taking the form of the dragon. Is the Chi of Shou-Lao connected to the Phoenix? Is this a combination of Danny Rand's and Hope's histories?

I've got no idea what's going on in this preview.

WHOA WHOA! @PrinceIMC- You read my mind! This could be seriously epic!

I'm getting the vibe that Iron Fist ends up teaching Hope how to control some part of the Phoenix Force. It would explain why Iron Fist seems to be protecting her on one of the covers. Marvel might be connecting chi to the phoenix like Prince IMC speculated. Pretty cool if true.

Someone else posted this on another site. Phoenix versus Dragon

Looks like Hope is learning to channel the phoenix Iron Fist-style maybe.

Dont have a clue wats happening

If the Phoenix is connected to Iron Fist it makes me want a combination X-Men/Avengers team even more.

I don’t have a clue either but the art is gorgeous and really really intriguing

@ArtisticNeedham said:

Someone else posted this on another site. Phoenix versus Dragon

Well that explains the whole connection Marvel is doing between Chi and the Phoenix Force. I'm intrigued. I might actually pick this issue up.

booo!

@Dedpool said:

WHOA WHOA! @PrinceIMC- You read my mind! This could be seriously epic!

@WildStyle: In Chinese mythology/ symbolism, the dargon represented the Emperor while the phoenix would represent the Empress.

Perhaps there's some cosmic love story? Maybe if the dragon is meant to be the source of Iron Fist's Chi powers, then he's meant to be some sort of guardian the fledgling phoenix force? Perhaps there's some mega-level rivalry between the two?

NIGHT OF THE OWLS FTW

If it is some sort of cosmic dragon/phoenix tie-together then it would make it a lot more interesting than it was before. Given that the X Teams have only just got used to the split to have them taking on the Avengers seemed too soon. I've still got reservations that this might be a typical Marvel high concept (quick, let's think of an idea...quick let's think of another before we've even thought the first one through...) but I'm sucker for a dragon/phoenix story so I might get pulled in.

If it turns out Dannys Chi is actually powered by the PF I will actually burn every Marvel comic I have then gouge out my eyes so I can never read another one ever again.......

Well okay, this is actually makes the whole AVX thing 2% less stupid to me. Unless Marvel does something typically moronic and ruins Iron Fist (one of my favorites) for me.

I think we'll find out that the Chi of Iron Fist is a companion enrgy to the Phoenix Force. Like Shou Lao and the Phoenix are both celestial beings.

Iron Fist is The Phoenix

And not I single damn was given that day.

The....Iron Phoenix?

Then Steel Phoenix shows up and beats up Danny again.

This might be good. I can see shou lao the undying connected to the Phoenix Force

@spiderbat87:

WHY would that be such a bad thing?

@spiderbat87:

WHY would that be such a bad thing?

i think all this thing are related to the "life force" the one ironfist use and the one scarlet witch and dr doom use to alter reality, the poenix is supposed to be that force so when they talk about the life force they're talking about the phoenix

Wow, a connection between Chi and Phoenix force huh? Now I'm intrigued.

I saw this post on blog about Hope and Jean. Which someone began to think of how Iron Fist and Hope could be connected. I posted this on another thread once, and I think it's an interesting idea to say the least.

Nathan AdlerMar 17, 2012 03:04 PM
Back in 1975, Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #19, written by Chris Claremont, introduced us to the Firebird which represented the soul and potential goodness for the Earth!
Before the Great Cataclysm just after the N’Garai were banished from ruling the Earth, a woman known as Jade was physically and sexually assaulted by a band of men and left for dead in the woods. When she recovered she was so mentally anguished that she prayed for death and in response, she was exposed to a blinding light which set her afire, and transformed her into the Firebird, the mystical embodiment of all that is good, kind, decent and noble in humanity.
In this way Jade represented all that is best, and served as humanity’s soul, and thus lifted humanity out of the charnal pit the N’Garai had dug for it, allowing it to rise above its damned infancy.
Millennia later, the demon sorcerer, Dhasha Khan, sought to power of the Firebird directing a group of people to assault its human manifestation, Jade, in Feng-Tu, the realm of the dead for the people of K’un L’un.
This assault was prevented by Iron Fist, who it was suggested was Firebird’s protector.
With this in mind, it’s interesting that the upcoming Avengers Vs X-Men is suggesting that Iron Fist is the protector of the Firebird.
Given Bendis and crew are fans of Marvel’s 70s period, I wonder if the plot is a thruline from this story…
So perhaps Hope Summers isn’t Jean Grey, but Jade reincarnated from Feng-Tu.
And K’un L’un’s Book of the Dead reveals that the duty of each Iron Fist down the ages has been to protect each incarnation of her!

No matter how hard they try, Marvel just can't seem to get Iron Fist (or Moon Knight) to break-through to mainstream success. This seems like yet another attempt by Marvel to get Iron Fist over.

Danny as the host of the Phoenix Force?....Awesome

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

I saw this post on blog about Hope and Jean. Which someone began to think of how Iron Fist and Hope could be connected. I posted this on another thread once, and I think it's an interesting idea to say the least.

Nathan AdlerMar 17, 2012 03:04 PM
Back in 1975, Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #19, written by Chris Claremont, introduced us to the Firebird which represented the soul and potential goodness for the Earth!
Before the Great Cataclysm just after the N’Garai were banished from ruling the Earth, a woman known as Jade was physically and sexually assaulted by a band of men and left for dead in the woods. When she recovered she was so mentally anguished that she prayed for death and in response, she was exposed to a blinding light which set her afire, and transformed her into the Firebird, the mystical embodiment of all that is good, kind, decent and noble in humanity.
In this way Jade represented all that is best, and served as humanity’s soul, and thus lifted humanity out of the charnal pit the N’Garai had dug for it, allowing it to rise above its damned infancy.
Millennia later, the demon sorcerer, Dhasha Khan, sought to power of the Firebird directing a group of people to assault its human manifestation, Jade, in Feng-Tu, the realm of the dead for the people of K’un L’un.
This assault was prevented by Iron Fist, who it was suggested was Firebird’s protector.
With this in mind, it’s interesting that the upcoming Avengers Vs X-Men is suggesting that Iron Fist is the protector of the Firebird.
Given Bendis and crew are fans of Marvel’s 70s period, I wonder if the plot is a thruline from this story…
So perhaps Hope Summers isn’t Jean Grey, but Jade reincarnated from Feng-Tu.
And K’un L’un’s Book of the Dead reveals that the duty of each Iron Fist down the ages has been to protect each incarnation of her!

Hmmm, interesting, my question before I say more is (not expert on Iron Fist) the firebird the phoenix force or small piece of it, or not related to it at all really and maybe some other being of unknown parts?

@Onihana: I don't know. Like I said, I found this on a blog related to Hope and Jean. I don't know much on Iron Fist either.

I want the hero called Firebird aka Bonita Juarez to be involved with this too. She's even immortal.

Um, what? This looks really confusing. Again.

Iron Fist teaching or having taught Hope some stuff to confront Phoenix perhaps? Really no idea though.

Nice art work

Deodato and Conrad. Win.

Read this on yahoo answers. question was asking why it appears dragons and phoenix ar always fighting.

Best Answer - Chosen by Asker

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080206090412AASLbsW

Whaaaat the hell .

Now i seen it all .

I can stare at Deodato's artwork all day long.

I can stare at Deodato's artwork all day long.