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First Look: JUSTICE LEAGUE 3000 #1

Get a look at the heroes in action in the year 3000.

Last week we had an interview with JUSTICE LEAGUE 3000 artist, Howard Porter. The series debuts next month but DC Comics has released a first look at the first issue.

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JUSTICE LEAGUE 3000 #1

The new series starring the heroes of today—tomorrow is resolicited, now with legendary artist Howard Porter (JLA) on board! But what are these heroes doing in the year 3000? And who (or what) brought them there? Get ready for a dose of wonder from the writing team of Keith Giffen and J.M. DeMatteis!

Written by: Keith Giffen, J.M. DeMatteis

Art by: Howard Porter

Cover by: Howard Porter

Variant Cover by: Howard Porter

Color/B&W: Color

Page Count: 32

U.S. Price: 2.99

On Sale Date: Dec 11 2013

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@nappystr8: true on all counts. He also didn't get rid of aforementioned characters because he didn't want them but because their writers wanted them off. Robinson was supposed to write a Jl spin off series with Hal and Ollie at the front but by the time it came to pass it had morphed into the infamous Cry For Justice miniseries. Modified also makes it a point to put more effort into the characters he's least interested in and was planning on developing a paternal friendship between Hawkgirl and Black Lightning among other things. I wish he had been allowed to do what he wanted. It sounds like it would have been a hell of a ride.

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@degraaf: well since future GL is clone of Hal, they are sorta connected

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1: no Legion of Super Heroes.

2: Batman, Superman, and Green Lantern's faces look to similar to each other, which is bad artwork.

3: Why should I care?

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Yeah, its not the fact that the whole justice league is white, it's the fact that they had a chance to add some diversity in a setting that pretty much called for diversity (1000 years in the future), but still decided to white wash the team....When you think about it, it's like they didn't even think about making a character asian, black, or hispanic. It's even more sad when you realize that Cyborg is now a founding member of the original new 52 team but is left out here.

Also, to everyone saying that alien and amazonian count as diversity, grow up and get a brain lol

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Badass Flash and Green Lantern

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This looks pretty interesting, I think I will give it a go

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Hmm. This shall be an interesting read. I am interested to see how the story line will play out. The costumes are okay. Kudos for Batman and the Flash. But green lantern looks like Spectre and wonder woman looks like a man. And does superman have Mohawk?

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That Green Lantern suit kicks so much ass. I wish they used that for Martian Manhunter's redesigned costume.

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No, the point I was trying to make was that McDuffie was consciously trying to push the single white male out of the team. He had already gotten rid of Superman, Batman, Flash, and Hal Jordan by this time. In fact, he said there three characters he didn't even want on the team: "Hawkgirl, Red Arrow, and Red Tornado" Two of which are white and the third is an android with a white wife and child. And while I don't think it is an us vs. them mentality. When you have a book called "Justice League of America" and you push every white character out of the team; it seems off. Imagine having a team in Hong Kong but having no Chinese members. When a team has a specific connection to a geographic location, it only makes sense that the team represents that location's racial makeup.

One of the reasons that X-men worked so well was that Xavier plainly states in the book that he is looking for the best and brightest from around the world. Marvel took a big chance on this as, at the time, I don't believe the book was selling well prior to Giant Size and was actually simply reprinting issues for much of the 70's.

First of all, if Cyborg (one of the main 7 Leagues in the New 52) not being a member of the JL3000 is not a decision based on race, then why would McDuffie's disinterest in B & C-listers like Red Arrow, Red Tornado, and Hawkgirl be racially motivated? There is nothing that leads me to believe his lack of interest in those characters was in any way racially motivated.

Second, McDuffie specifically says in the quotes that you linked that removing Red Arrow from the book was an editorial decision, not his. Furthermore the choices to add Firestorm (black), John Stewart (black), and Dr. Light (Asian), were not his either.

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so, in the future, only whites can be superoes? very 31st century... pass.

Yeah, such a missed opportunity. Love the costume designs, don't understand why you'd go with an all-white JL when you have the chance to build from scratch.

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@batshrine said:

@redhood21 said:

again with the complaining.... right now we have more black, hispanic, asian, and LGBT characters than ever with more being made all the time.... god forbid characters in the "future" resemble their modern day counterparts

Your statement doesn't really tell me what your point is. Sure we have more black, hispanic, asian, and LGBT characters than ever...but are you implying that it's enough? Because it sounds like the same argument used today towards people racist toward black people, "you have more rights than ever." but question, is that enough? And there are no A list non-white superheroes out there (characters that have high sales). So we don't have enough, especially where it counts (at the top).

I don't think that your point is that relevant. You're making it out to be like the comic industry is racist when it really comes down to the market. When it comes to the market, your primary comic book readers are white males. Batwing isn't ranked 207 on October's sales charts because the publisher's are racist. Vibe's comic is listed at 224. The fact of the matter is that their are considerable less African and Latin Americans that read comic books and like you said yourself, a culture is predisposed to read about characters that are most like themselves. Just because DC features a more diverse cast, isn't going to increase sales and it isn't going to cause a more diverse market.

We don't have any A-List diverse comic book characters because the market isn't supporting them, not because the industry isn't writing about them.

So now we have the crutch of the conversation. We have people here saying diversity doesn't matter to them and they don't read a book by the color of hte characters skin but by its the quality of the character, yet those same people (white males) only read stories about other white males?

And the industry can do so much more to support characters like this. Static had an AWFUL writer which got his book canceled right away, and I would argue Static had a pretty large fan base. JLI was oddly canceled not because of sales (it's the only one of the canceled New 52 that actually still sold a solid amount every month, but it was canceled to make room for the less diverse JLA). But when do these characters get A list writers? Let's see you put Scott Snyder, Jim Lee, or Grant Morrison on a book about a character that isn't a white male, and see how the sales shoot up. The problem is DC wants its best writers and artists on its highest selling characters completely forgetting that they could also have them on one of these books or the fact that Batman sells regardless.

So you are claiming that the market is racist (most likely not intentionally) in how they purchase their books, but I am saying the industry isn't making enough effort to boost those characters. I mean for heavens sake they have Ann Nocenti writing Katana (isn't it enough that she is ruining Catwoman). Shoot even Geoff Johns the writer that supposedly can make any character popular again, wouldn't even stay on with Vibe. Or how about the fact that Cyborg, the only character on an A list team that doesn't have his own solo book. So yes I commend DC for trying so hard to keep Batwing relevant or popular but there needs to be a push to create an A list hero that is a bit more diverse from the rest of the white straight males. And maybe just maybe your readership will grow to include more women, and people of color.

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So now we have 3 Justice Leagues that will basically be doing the same thing: New Earth, Earth 2, and 3000. I don't which genius at DC is convinced that simply making these teams be in different dimensions or time periods will automatically make them more interesting. A Justice League is a Justice League.

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@ssejllenrad: ni ine is asking for extremes at either end. is somewhere in the middle offensive to you?

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@monkeytoe: @monkeytoe: he is the main character. he is the only human. the supporting characters weęre all ceated 4 months ago, so no one is buying for them. it is for all intents and purposes a solo book right now. and it sells well.

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@captain13: I would consider GLC a team book as well because it's not a John Stewart solo book.

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so, in the future, only whites can be superoes? very 31st century... pass.

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They should have put these resources into a JLU Beyond title. The current one seems alright but DC doesn't promote it or back it up with their vast amount of resources. Putting this team on a book like that could be something.

This looks...confusing. Is Batman attacking Superman and helping the other members of the team? Everyone else just looks angry. This is by far some of the worst Howard Porter art I've seen.

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Love Superman's suit for some reason but i'm not digging green lantern's :/ he looks to much like the spector more than a green lantern space cop

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@monkeytoe: vibe and batwing are solo books, which can do well with a minority lead. Vibe and Batwing are not doing well because those are not well known names. even hawkman and atom fail because they are d list heroes. for well selling minority led solo books tgat sell well see glc or ultimate spider man. but that is beside the point bc this is a team book.

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@mrfuzzynutz: I agree I would love to see other heroes get there own series. I still don't see how catwoman gets one, but then again I just dont like her

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Want diversity? Go with the original POWER RANGERS!

We got white male Red
Afro Black
Gay Blue
Asian Yellow
Brunette Pink
Native American green
Albino Zordon
Idiot Alpha


Ha! Take that JL3000!

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Sad it isn't more diverse, but don't really care. Will probably get this if I hear good reviews.

CIN.

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@redhood21 said:

again with the complaining.... right now we have more black, hispanic, asian, and LGBT characters than ever with more being made all the time.... god forbid characters in the "future" resemble their modern day counterparts

Your statement doesn't really tell me what your point is. Sure we have more black, hispanic, asian, and LGBT characters than ever...but are you implying that it's enough? Because it sounds like the same argument used today towards people racist toward black people, "you have more rights than ever." but question, is that enough? And there are no A list non-white superheroes out there (characters that have high sales). So we don't have enough, especially where it counts (at the top).

I don't think that your point is that relevant. You're making it out to be like the comic industry is racist when it really comes down to the market. When it comes to the market, your primary comic book readers are white males. Batwing isn't ranked 207 on October's sales charts because the publisher's are racist. Vibe's comic is listed at 224. The fact of the matter is that their are considerable less African and Latin Americans that read comic books and like you said yourself, a culture is predisposed to read about characters that are most like themselves. Just because DC features a more diverse cast, isn't going to increase sales and it isn't going to cause a more diverse market.

We don't have any A-List diverse comic book characters because the market isn't supporting them, not because the industry isn't writing about them.

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so, in the future, only whites can be superoes? very 31st century... pass.

It's because we all know if the year 3000 DC will have just rebooted the same universe for the 3 billionth time. It's all the same heroes as now

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@captain13 said:

@rubear: just like justice league with one black giy. and mighty avengers is well written.

I read them, hehe. The fun part is in that tipical politcorrectness is reversed, so when most time we have one "black guy", here we have on "white guy" and for example dont have close friend of Cage, Iron Fist. Would'n the team more diverse whith him?

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flash in panel 1 has the most terrified look in his eyes...

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@rubear: just like justice league with one black giy. and mighty avengers is well written.

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They are the same gender, race, and even have the same hair colors as the current JLA members. If this is a clone team almost 1000 years in the future I will pass. I am kinda getting tired of clones.

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@captain13: Cap, you just maid my day. I loled so hard that i fall under the table...

You know, i think you would like new Mighty Avengers team where they put for policorrectess only one "white" Spider-man.

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again with the complaining.... right now we have more black, hispanic, asian, and LGBT characters than ever with more being made all the time.... god forbid characters in the "future" resemble their modern day counterparts

Your statement doesn't really tell me what your point is. Sure we have more black, hispanic, asian, and LGBT characters than ever...but are you implying that it's enough? Because it sounds like the same argument used today towards people racist toward black people, "you have more rights than ever." but question, is that enough? And there are no A list non-white superheroes out there (characters that have high sales). So we don't have enough, especially where it counts (at the top).

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@redhood21 said:

again with the complaining.... right now we have more black, hispanic, asian, and LGBT characters than ever with more being made all the time.... god forbid characters in the "future" resemble their modern day counterparts

God forbid a future version or descendant of one of these heroes is a p.o.c. It's not like Flash is blonde.

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again with the complaining.... right now we have more black, hispanic, asian, and LGBT characters than ever with more being made all the time.... god forbid characters in the "future" resemble their modern day counterparts

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Wonder Woman looks ... Ugly .

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@batshrine: @captain13:

Thank you, both of you, for educating people on this matter. As a POC, it's been incredibly annoying to see people dismiss the lack of diversity as a trivial matter and try to give BS excuses against having any.

NP! And thanks for your support.

Ya same here! I think its really important that we are all aware that even though we want fully fleshed out characters, the subliminal messages that come out of constant repetition that a white straight cis male is the default for hero or human is really powerful.

No one has any complaints that Magneto is Jewish. Do some aspects about him tie to his Jewishness? Sure. Is he still a full fledged character? Absolutely.

So why not with characters that are not phenotypically white? Plus this difference may make the character unique because there are these issues that relate more to this character.

And can I point out that the name Justice League of America is really messed up when these heroes view them selves as earth's mightiest heroes (I know I know, thats the avengers tagline) or as protectors as the earth. Because subliminally that enforces the concept that Unites States of America should play a role as being the world's police and super power. So by having a team not reflective of the Earth's population is even more messed up (especially since white males are not the majority).

And I also think its odd when people counter with not everyone on the team is white! Superman is an alien, Wonder Woman is an Amazon, and Aquaman is from Atlantis. Its odd to me how people can separate what they are phenotypically depicted as. But then when you mention a black superman or asian Aquaman people get all upset (even though those same people are the ones that are saying how Aquaman isn't white anyway and an Atlantean).

Last thing! When people say DC and Marvel have a lot of diversity that is correct, but either not enough or more importantly not enough good ones. But just like how Latino's and Black people don't hold the CEO positions in the US, the colored heroes are not the cash cows of the company. Wolverine has multitudes of his own series but when does Storm get one? Superman has a family of books, and Batman has a family of books, but why does Wonder woman (a member of the Trinity) only have one book (now two if you count Wonder Woman/Superman, though the only reason that seems to exist is because she is romantically attached to him and not partners like Batman and Superman). And last reason why that argument is a little messed up is women make up a majority of the world's population and of the US population...so shouldn't the JL and all other heroes be mostly made up of women (especially since most of DC's earthbound heroes are not "born this way"). So even though there is a lot of diversity there isn't even enough to balance actual proportions of the world or even the US.

So unless this is the modern team transported to a different time, then I don't see how DC can justify this.

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@batshrine: @captain13:

Thank you, both of you, for educating people on this matter. As a POC, it's been incredibly annoying to see people dismiss the lack of diversity as a trivial matter and try to give BS excuses against having any.

NP! And thanks for your support.

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@captain13 said:

@theblackhood said:

@captain13 said:

@lifeboy said:

@captain13: did you see what that other commentor said about the Mighty Avengers having a multi racial group? Maybe you should go over to the marvel side. Shoo...

I pretty much converted when Marvel announced their diverse Netflix series, lol

Another book that I thought did pretty well with their diversity was the, cancelled way too soon, Paul Cornell written Captain Britain and MI13. I mean the book had a devout Muslim woman wielding Excalibur and MF'ing Blade, who is about the most underused character in Marvel.

Totally agree. It was awesome.

I did want to thank you for a good discussion. It is always nice when people with differing ideas can have a dialogue with the bare minimum of emotional outbursts (Crazy racist guy at the start). I am off to finish my psych final; only 4k words to go. Night!

Thanks. I hope your final went well!

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That art is hideous.

Also the lack of non-whites is very unappealing. I thought that by the year 3000, we would still be all about racial diversity, but eh, the art isn't good enough for me to pick up the book anyway.

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Looks awesome. Can't wait to read Giffen and DeMatteis together again on a JL book.

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Still on the fence with this one to be honest. The art looks ok to me but nothing special. Think I might have to wait for the reviews and have a quick flick through it at my local store.

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@theblackhood said:

According to McDuffie's own posts, the 3 characters he wasn't interested in writing were "Red Tornado, Hawkgirl, and Red Arrow". His posts went on to say there were 3 characters he was "off the team" and that he planned to have Kendra "break up with Roy rather painfully" which would remove him from the book. So yeah, not to speak ill of the dead but he wanted an all minority team which is no better or different than an all white team.

http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/249674.html?thread=5453386

Not that I am in love with the idea of all minority teams, as I think Mighty Avengers goes a little bit too far, but to say an all minority team is equivalent in diversity to an all white team is offensive. We don't live in a world of whites and minorities. Asians, Blacks, and Latinos are as different from each other as they are from Whites. A team that is inclusive of every other race, that happens to not have any white people represents far more of the world's population than a team that is completely comprised of a single race. To not acknowledge that distinction is to claim that white people are fundamentally different from all other human beings, and therefore that whites are superior. I don't think that's the argument you were trying to make.

No, the point I was trying to make was that McDuffie was consciously trying to push the single white male out of the team. He had already gotten rid of Superman, Batman, Flash, and Hal Jordan by this time. In fact, he said there three characters he didn't even want on the team: "Hawkgirl, Red Arrow, and Red Tornado" Two of which are white and the third is an android with a white wife and child. And while I don't think it is an us vs. them mentality. When you have a book called "Justice League of America" and you push every white character out of the team; it seems off. Imagine having a team in Hong Kong but having no Chinese members. When a team has a specific connection to a geographic location, it only makes sense that the team represents that location's racial makeup.

One of the reasons that X-men worked so well was that Xavier plainly states in the book that he is looking for the best and brightest from around the world. Marvel took a big chance on this as, at the time, I don't believe the book was selling well prior to Giant Size and was actually simply reprinting issues for much of the 70's.

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I'm getting this, wasn't even on my radar until I saw the art just now. Fantastic.

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@batshrine: @captain13:

Thank you, both of you, for educating people on this matter. As a POC, it's been incredibly annoying to see people dismiss the lack of diversity as a trivial matter and try to give BS excuses against having any.

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We'lllll see..... we'll see....

Is that supposed to be Kal Kent?

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@theblackhood said:

According to McDuffie's own posts, the 3 characters he wasn't interested in writing were "Red Tornado, Hawkgirl, and Red Arrow". His posts went on to say there were 3 characters he was "off the team" and that he planned to have Kendra "break up with Roy rather painfully" which would remove him from the book. So yeah, not to speak ill of the dead but he wanted an all minority team which is no better or different than an all white team.

http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/249674.html?thread=5453386

Not that I am in love with the idea of all minority teams, as I think Mighty Avengers goes a little bit too far, but to say an all minority team is equivalent in diversity to an all white team is offensive. We don't live in a world of whites and minorities. Asians, Blacks, and Latinos are as different from each other as they are from Whites. A team that is inclusive of every other race, that happens to not have any white people represents far more of the world's population than a team that is completely comprised of a single race. To not acknowledge that distinction is to claim that white people are fundamentally different from all other human beings, and therefore that whites are superior. I don't think that's the argument you were trying to make.

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@theblackhood said:

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@lifeboy said:

@captain13: did you see what that other commentor said about the Mighty Avengers having a multi racial group? Maybe you should go over to the marvel side. Shoo...

I pretty much converted when Marvel announced their diverse Netflix series, lol

Another book that I thought did pretty well with their diversity was the, cancelled way too soon, Paul Cornell written Captain Britain and MI13. I mean the book had a devout Muslim woman wielding Excalibur and MF'ing Blade, who is about the most underused character in Marvel.

Totally agree. It was awesome.

I did want to thank you for a good discussion. It is always nice when people with differing ideas can have a dialogue with the bare minimum of emotional outbursts (Crazy racist guy at the start). I am off to finish my psych final; only 4k words to go. Night!

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