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Favorite Comic Runs RESULTS: Mark Millar's SUPERMAN: RED SON vs. THE ULTIMATES

Both elseworld stories are phenomenal, but which one did the Comic Vine crowd like more and why? Also, there's a teaser for next week's match-up! Come see if you can you identify the two covers.

This week, the Comic Vine community was forced to choose between two of Mark Millar's excellent elseworld stories. Did they side with his jaw-dropping "what if?" tale about Superman growing up in Russia... or did they support his epic revitalization of the Avengers? Prior to this match-up, "Favorite Comic Runs" usually had one story take a pretty strong lead over its competition. However, this battle between two great books was a much, much closer race. After four full days of voting, Comic Viners have finally declared a winner: SUPERMAN: RED SON.

While Millar spent two whole volumes establishing a brand new mythos for a new version of the Avengers, he was able to tell a stunning Superman elseworlds story in just three chapters. Not only did it capture the essence of the iconic character and provide a hugely entertaining course of events, but it also created a gripping and unique alternate universe. Batman and Woman Woman had excellent roles -- everyone loves Batmankoff, after all -- but the in-depth focus on Lex Luthor was downright superb. This is every bit as much of a Lex Luthor story as it is a Superman one. And the conclusion? It's certain to leave you speechless. This is often regarded as one of the "must read" Superman stories for a reason, Viners.

In the end, 48% of the community voted for the DC storyline. The Ultimates put up a solid fight and 43% of voters had its back. Meanwhile, 9% shamefully admitted they haven't read either story. Well, we at least hope this segment has motivated some of them to check these stories out.

Viner Post of the Week for SUPERMAN: RED SON is by Squalleon

"Red Son. I may be biased a little since it is a Superman story and a good at that.

What I love most about Red Son is the fact that it reflects the DC history. Superman is the first superhero and the center of the superhero world changing the DCU based on how he is different.

Even though the art is good, the biggest asset of RS is the story, the reimagining of this magnificent world in another era, familiar but different at the same time. The great supporting cast true to their original characters but with a nice twist, Batmankoff, Diana and especially Luthor. Luthor is a great villian, driven by jealousy and ready to prove by any means necessary that he is the best, proving that some things are the same no matter what the situation. And of course there is the twist in the last pages of the last issue changing the dynamic between Luthor and Superman and creating a fantastic ironic element.

On the other hand Ultimates is great too. With (subjectively) better art and while it is a nice reimagining of the classic Avengers, it doesn't have the same heart in it as RS. It does the same mistake every movie/book/comic does when it tries to be realistic, it makes everyone dark and edgy but it is a minor grip in the overall book which is a really good read and a book that I often find myself browse through."

There will be a new match on Monday, but seeing as we're so nice and all that, we're going to give you a teaser. It's just a small sample of the image that'll be used in next week's article. Be the first person to guess both stories correctly and we'll give you some praise in Monday's article. Oh, and please only post your guess after you think you can identify both of the stories. Anyway, let the guessing games begin! Don't forget to check the homepage on Monday to vote for the next match-up.

Want to suggest a writer and two of their stories for the segment? Tell us below or send it via Twitter.

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Posted by erikhandel

Well, the left one seems like Death of the Family

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

Excellent work comrades

Posted by TheManInTheShoe

Death of the Family and something something something dark side... I don't know

Posted by space4rentt

death of the family and the black mirror!

Posted by TheCheeseStabber

Death of the Family and something something something dark side... I don't know

Death of The Family And Black Mirror

Posted by TheManInTheShoe
Posted by Nahuel

Death of the Family vs Black Mirror.

Next one's gonna be about Snyder's run

Edited by pcaluban

The URL is titled "xmenteaser"

Intriguing.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

Death of the Family and The Black Mirror

Edited by jhole

Death of the family and the black mirror I think

Posted by jhole

Death of the family and the black mirror I think

Posted by AllStarSuperman

yup, Death of Family and Black Mirror

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

god damn it, I totally posted that first but it delayed it for some reason >:- (

Posted by Squalleon

I am really glad Red Son won and I won't lie I am very happy I got post of the week :-)

Edited by TDK_1997

I am glad that Red Son won.And also the teaser has to be Death of the Family and The Black Mirror.

Edited by TheHipKid

My all time favorite story won. The feels are great.

Posted by CheeseSticks

Black Mirror should win since Death of The Family was the most horrible story of the New 52.

Edited by Vitality

I have to ask...how can a "what if?" story ever be classified as a "must read".

That makes no sense.

Posted by Squalleon

@vitality said:

I have to ask...how can a "what if?" story ever be classified as a "must read".

That makes no sense.

A good story is a good story, simple as that.
Just because it isn't canon it doesn't mean it's not a great read. Superman: Red Son can give you a perfect Idea about Superman's world.
For example you can see that no matter how he grew up some things never change or Luthor is destined to be his villian.

Edited by Vitality

@vitality said:

I have to ask...how can a "what if?" story ever be classified as a "must read".

That makes no sense.

A good story is a good story, simple as that.

Just because it isn't canon it doesn't mean it's not a great read. Superman: Red Son can give you a perfect Idea about Superman's world.

For example you can see that no matter how he grew up some things never change or Luthor is destined to be his villian.

Yeah, I understand a good story is a good story. I guess I always just assumed that a "must read" when it comes to comics means that it's a story that has something major to do with the canon story of a character or characters.

Posted by JakeN7

@vitality: It's a "must read" not a "must read if you want to keep up with continuity." Why would All Star Superman be revered as a must read (and probably my favorite comic book story of all time) if it's not canon? Because it's about the character. If you like this character, or consider yourself a fan, you must read this. You'll love it. It's that simple.

Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

Death of the Family was a dud, Black Mirror was better in every possible way.

Posted by mak13131313

Yay, Red Son Won! Next week should have some good argument's.

Posted by longbowhunter

I went with Red Son. I'm just a bigger Elseworlds fan than I am an Ultimate Universe fan.

Posted by Captain13

I put some effort into my argument. It didn't pay off--at all.

Happy Friday!

Edited by Captain13

Any chance of seeing another fight poll?

Posted by Ultron345

Can someone please explain how a book being 'dark' and 'edgy' is by default a bad thing?????????????

When did dark become synonymous with bad?

Edited by Dark_Vengeance_

Ooooh, I'm definitely making a great comment for next week.

Posted by Billy Batson

Can someone please explain how a book being 'dark' and 'edgy' is by default a bad thing?????????????

When did dark become synonymous with bad?

Being dark isn't bad. Doing it wrong is.

The word "edgy" when a story is being dark and edgy for the sake of it. No real substance behind it.

BB

Posted by k4tzm4n

I put some effort into my argument. It didn't pay off--at all.

Happy Friday!

Don't be so sure of that. Red Son had a significant lead and, as the week progressed, Ultimates caught up. A good majority of the voters don't actually post, but it's very possible they read the arguments made for both sides before doing so.

Re: fights. Batman Battle of the Month is next week.

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Posted by Ultron345

@billy_batson: Hmmmm. I guess I can see what you are saying. However have you not seen a lot of usage of 'dark' being a synonym for bad? I know I have. In contrast I don't think I have ever seen someone say 'This book was fun' and have it be a gripe. Can fun be done poorly? Just a thought.

Posted by Squalleon

@billy_batson: Hmmmm. I guess I can see what you are saying. However have you not seen a lot of usage of 'dark' being a synonym for bad? I know I have. In contrast I don't think I have ever seen someone say 'This book was fun' and have it be a gripe. Can fun be done poorly? Just a thought.

Lobdell goes for "Fun" books. No one enjoys them though...

Posted by Maddpanda531

I have to say, I'm really loving this feature.

Not surprised to see that Red Son won (Spoiler: It's an awesome read), despite having voted for The Ultimates.

Posted by Doctor_Malekith

I think it should have been Black Mirror vs. Court of Owls, but I understand why Death of the Family was chosen.

Posted by Ultron345

Lobdell goes for "Fun" books. No one enjoys them though...

He is polarizing. But I doubt people dislike him strictly on the basis that he is fun. As people tend to do when things are dark.

Edited by ArturoCalaKayVee

If the next poll is Black Mirror vs Death of the Family then I hope BM literally stomps. That was a great story while DotF was a plain failure. /INTENSE POST/

Red Son deserved to win. It was a master reimagery of Superman.

Posted by Squalleon

Lobdell goes for "Fun" books. No one enjoys them though...

He is polarizing. But I doubt people dislike him strictly on the basis that he is fun. As people tend to do when things are dark.

No I meant he goes for "Fun", not that people hate him because of that. Also polarizing is Mark Waid's Daredevil run (who is an excellent writer) and you know why? Because it is fun! Just ask @jonny_anonymous

The reason people don't complain about fun books is because there aren't much.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

@ultron345 said:

Lobdell goes for "Fun" books. No one enjoys them though...

He is polarizing. But I doubt people dislike him strictly on the basis that he is fun. As people tend to do when things are dark.

No I meant he goes for "Fun", not that people hate him because of that. Also polarizing is Mark Waid's Daredevil run (who is an excellent writer) and you know why? Because it is fun! Just ask @jonny_anonymous

The reason people don't complain about fun books is because there aren't much.

I hate fun!

jk

I hate Waids DD because there is already plenty of goofy superhero books out there but DD was the last proper street crime noir book (but now we have Punisher and Moon Knight back so my fires of hatred aren't so hot now)

Posted by Squalleon

I hate Waids DD because there is already plenty of goofy superhero books out there but DD was the last proper street crime noir book (but now we have Punisher and Moon Knight back so my fires of hatred aren't so hot now)

Can you recommend any? I like fun :-)

Also I just finished Bendis' Moon Knight, It was great! I love it for the same reason I hate his All-new X-men: the dialogue.
It fits Moon Knight's theme and story but in X-men it is just dragging and repeating.

Edited by Ultron345

@ultron345 said:

Lobdell goes for "Fun" books. No one enjoys them though...

He is polarizing. But I doubt people dislike him strictly on the basis that he is fun. As people tend to do when things are dark.

No I meant he goes for "Fun", not that people hate him because of that. Also polarizing is Mark Waid's Daredevil run (who is an excellent writer) and you know why? Because it is fun! Just ask @jonny_anonymous

The reason people don't complain about fun books is because there aren't much.

Fair enough. Still think the stigma is utterly ridiculous.

Edited by Jonny_Anonymous

@jonny_anonymous said:

I hate Waids DD because there is already plenty of goofy superhero books out there but DD was the last proper street crime noir book (but now we have Punisher and Moon Knight back so my fires of hatred aren't so hot now)

Can you recommend any? I like fun :-)

Also I just finished Bendis' Moon Knight, It was great! I love it for the same reason I hate his All-new X-men: the dialogue.

It fits Moon Knight's theme and story but in X-men it is just dragging and repeating.

All of them that isn't from DC really.

Yea Bendis's run is amazing, the dialogue is great in it because it's really snappy like this:

Now you really need to jump straight to Brubakers run.

Edited by Squalleon

@jonny_anonymous: I will. I enjoyed this character very much, I will probably read the new ongoing.

Fair enough. Still think the stigma is utterly ridiculous.

I will just add something. For which titles have you seen people complain? There are some heroes where going dark is a foolish option. Superman is a prime example. DC seems to want to abandon the core of Superman. Which literally IS fun.Superman was always fun and I don't mean boy-scoutish or good etc but fun in its purest form. For characters like him, going dark is wrong.

Posted by Ultron345

@squalleon: Basically the entire line at DC at one point or another people have complained because it's dark, besides batman cuz......... well duh he's batman. You and I also have differing opinions on what the core of Superman is. I wouldn't want a 'dark' superman either but serious story lines are completely acceptable for Superman to me and for my taste preferable.

Edited by Squalleon

@ultron345: Serious and fun can go together.
Just look at All Star Superman. Superman was at his most popular during SA there is a reason for that. Also even in the GA were Superheroes were still in development, Superman was a fun story full of action.

Posted by Ultron345

@squalleon: I don't want to get into ancient history about what was popular 20-40 years ago. Btw this conversation has gotten off track drastically. I am NOT against fun in a book. I am against having a dark tone in a book making it automatically bad.

Edited by Life_Without_Progress
Posted by AllStarSuperman
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