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Exclusive: TEEN TITANS Villains Month Plus Marv Wolfman Talks TRIGON

The Teen Titans are going to be facing TWO villains in the same month.

You've probably heard the official news on DC's Villains Month coming in September. All the titles will be renamed (in a sense) with a villain taking over the comic. The issues will actually actually take place in "point 1" issues.

For the TEEN TITANS, there will actually be TWO villains comics, one focusing on Trigon and the other on Deathstroke.

TEEN TITANS #23.1: TRIGON

Written by MARV WOLFMAN

Art by CAFU

3-D motion cover by EDDY BARROWS and EBER FERREIRA

On sale SEPTEMBER 11 • 32 pg, FC, $3.99 US • RATED T

He is the ruler of six kingdoms of pain, suffering and agony—but the one world that evades Trigon is Earth. Trigon’s influence has been spread across worlds by his sons, but it wasn’t until he conceived a daughter of Earthly origin that the monster finally had an heir who could aid his quest. Now, with all the world’s heroes missing— is this the final victory of Trigon?

TEEN TITANS #23.2: DEATHSTROKE

Written by COREY MAYS and DOOMA WENDSCHUH

Art by ROBSON ROCHA

3-D motion cover by EDDY BARROWS and EBER FERREIRA

On sale SEPTEMBER 18 • 32 pg, FC, $3.99 US • RATED T

One of the deadliest men in the world has a secret: his family. Slade Wilson lives to kill, but can even Deathstroke the Terminator balance his home life with a complicated hit?

If that wasn't enough news for you, we also had the chance to speak with TRIGON writer and creator, Marv Wolfman!

Comic Vine: Where does Trigon stand in regards to other characters you've created?

Marv Wolfman: Not sure what this means but when I created the idea of Trigon, DC didn't really have large scale villains like him. I wanted him to not only be the terrifying representation of evil, but also the father of Raven; the idea being he would inextricably linked to one of the Titans and would be the reason for the characters to get together.

To me the best villains have a real emotional link to the hero so it's more than "I'm going to rob a bank" or "Let me take over the Earth." Trigon fit into this. Others, like Anti-Monitor, were to be above all emotional connections since he had to fit into the entire DCU as opposed to a single group.

By the way, even though I came up with Trigon, George Pérez's visual creation is what certainly made him distinctive and powerful. The antlers were designed to give him a very strong sexual allure, something we actually talked about even back in 1980.

CV: Did it ever cross your mind that this character would still have such an importance over thirty years later?

MW: You never think this way. I try to create a character that will resonate with the characters (making him or her important to them) and to the readers because he is important. But you can't know in advance if it'll work. Fortunately Trigon did, but others don't. Even Stan Lee who created Galactus and Dr. Doom created Paste Pot Pete and the Gibbon.

CV: How does Trigon fit in with today's comic characters and villains?

MW: No idea. Again, he was created to be an ultimate satanic evil but he needed to be directed toward the Titans, and specifically Raven. Whether he would fit with other heroes was never my plan. But if other writers can come up with a way to use him, it means George Perez and I did our job well.

TINY TITANS

CV: Have you seen the other versions of Trigon in Teen Titans, Teen Titans Go! or the TINY TITANS comics?

MW: I have always made it a policy not to read comics using characters I create after I leave them. So I have not seen Trigon's appearances in any DC comic. I did see him in the original Titan cartoons and thought they did a wonderful job translating him for a much younger audience but keeping his spirit intact.

CV: What's Trigon's greatest strength and weakness?

MW: I think his strength and weaknesses are the same; he's Raven's father and believes because he is an ultimate power that she will do what he says. He is of course wrong.

THE NEW TEEN TITANS #6

CV: If you were to create Trigon today, is there anything you would change? Apperance, color, personality, etc?

MW: Nope. I think he works. I have amplified the origin but the essence of the character is the same.

30 Comments
Edited by The Stegman

Deathstroke sure goes through costumes.

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Posted by akbogert

Very cool exclusive.

But I can't help but feel that the use of Wonder Girl on these covers is needlessly voyeuristic.

Posted by Shallbecomeabattoo

When Geoff Johns was on Teen Titans, it was one of my favorite series! Now, I can't even look at the redesigned costumes without disgust. Its so sad... they all look like 90s rejects.

Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee

Man, this is going to be a REALLY expensive month.........ugh.

Posted by FlashDamn
Edited by lifeboy

Trigon looks cooler with antlers than horns. Glad to hear from wolfman..

Edited by Mucklefluga

Yes! Wolfman on Titans!

Posted by XXkaeselXY

I miss the antlers.

Posted by XXkaeselXY

Man, this is going to be a REALLY expensive month.........ugh.

Yeah it is...

If half the titles are getting 4 issues and the other half are getting 2 issues, and they all cost 4 bucks, AND you want to buy them all, you're looking at $552!

Posted by jacobsben

Thank god raven isn't on these covers

Edited by iridechocobos

I won't mind if Wolfman becomes the Teen Titans writer.

Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee

@arturocalakayvee said:

Man, this is going to be a REALLY expensive month.........ugh.

Yeah it is...

If half the titles are getting 4 issues and the other half are getting 2 issues, and they all cost 4 bucks, AND you want to buy them all, you're looking at $552!

Horrible pricing by DC.

Posted by doordoor123

WHO IS CORY MAYS?! I've been looking everywhere online for him, but he doesn't exist! Unless he is a football player.

Edited by Beast_in_the_Shadows

I like how Wolfram talked about Perez's design making him different from your standard demon, and now the New 52 removed all those distinctions and made him the garden variety devil...

All that aside, it's nice to see two Titans books not written by Lobdell. I might pick these up. Perhaps this is a sign of him leaving the titles to ruin other characters.

Posted by KnightofSteel

Cool Trigon cover. So much potential for Deathstroke as a character in the new 52, but DC's missing the mark big time.

Posted by Cavemold

What kind of design is that....eek

Edited by Outside_85

@beast_in_the_shadows said:

I like how Wolfram talked about Perez's design making him different from your standard demon, and now the New 52 removed all those distinctions and made him the garden variety devil...

Booth's actual design had smoke coming out of his head that curled like horns, but Barrows and his colorist/inker either cant do that or just chooses to ignore it. With the extra set of eyes is needless, it was not the worst redesign of the New 52.

That said, I am fairly optimistic about Wolfman writing Trigon.

Posted by cagedleo730

@xxkaeselxy:

@arturocalakayvee said:

Man, this is going to be a REALLY expensive month.........ugh.

Yeah it is...

If half the titles are getting 4 issues and the other half are getting 2 issues, and they all cost 4 bucks, AND you want to buy them all, you're looking at $552!

Your math is all wrong. There will only be 52 Villain issues in total. So that's $208. Add $4 for Forever Evil #1 and that's just $212.

Posted by Beast_in_the_Shadows

@outside_85: I'm not sure he was supposed to have the smoke permanently. In that image he was coming through a portal so i think it might have just been his horns materializing after passing through dimensions. Either way 6 eyes and horns make him a far more generic demon than 4 eyes and antlers...

Posted by Outside_85

@beast_in_the_shadows: That wouldn't really make sense since the rest of him was depicted as being solid, also there was that scene with Trigon in TT 16 (last of Brett's run?) where they were slightly more solid looking but still made of smoke.

Posted by Beast_in_the_Shadows

@outside_85: Well I just thought that perhaps his horns hadn't passed through yet. like the portal rose up from the ground and was just clear his horns as we finally saw him. As for your second point, I hadn't seen that so I will have to take your word on it.

Tho smoke horns would be better than just regular old horns, I'd still much prefer the antlers. they are just more powerful and have a denotation of dominance in many ancient cultures.

Posted by Grand_Supremor

"The antlers were designed to give him a very strong sexual allure, something we actually talked about even back in 1980."

Yea sexy to does maybe...

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Posted by Perfect 10

i'd make him better looking maybe more slender other that, keep him the same. and love the teen titans, will be glad raven gets her 80s look back though

Posted by Outside_85

@beast_in_the_shadows: I have to say that I personally always thought the antlers made him look slightly goofy, since the usual idea behind giving something horns (in my mind) is to give the character a level of menace through them, the antlers doesn't do that for me since they are all-ways blunted. I don't really see either the sex-appeal in them either... what Trigon has of that is more from the chin down.

Also, Perez did mention once that if he had to redesign Trigon he'd give him some other kind of horns.

Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus

Marv Wolfman...the two words I need as impetus to realize I'm still staying with TT as one of my monthly holds. Awesomeness! Nothing more need really be said.

Edited by Beast_in_the_Shadows

@outside_85: Well, historically antlers are more often revered over horns. Horned animals don't see as much respect in cross cultural mythologies and antlers do. In Celtic cultures, antlers were seen as a symbol of royalty and virility. In native American cultures they would often symbolize dominion over the land, wisdom, and again virility. Even in the eastern cultures antlers are used in depictions of dragons, turtles, lions, horses and all sorts of creatures of legend that needed to be shown as powerful and important.

Aesthetically I prefer antler because they resemble a crown, which for an evil ruler works very well.

From a biological stand point antlers are in ways more dangerous than horns too. Even tho horns may be pointed, they are much weaker than antlers. Horns are made of a material similar to finger nail, while antlers are made of pure bone. So a horn might pierce to a bit faster, but the antler will hit you harder breaking several bones until it finally does puncture you.

As for why they are almost unanimously linked to virility, that is simply because even tho they are great weapons and defense, antler main purpose are in mating. More aptly fending off rivals. Simply put the specimen with the largest set of antlers is the won who is going to win all the battles and have his pick of all the does he wants.

I can understand that culturally we have been taught to think that horns are almost synonymous with intimidation, but from other cultures and from nature it's not really the case. Because of that I'm sad when a character who goes a different way is later changed to conform to fit with every other character in the same category.

For the most part, the DCnU in a whole has been a giant process of streamlining their characters and eliminating diversity in character and design I was just hoping they would let Trigon be more that you place holder demon. At least they haven't given him a arrowhead tail...

Posted by Outside_85

@beast_in_the_shadows: I suppose it has to be said that cultures like those of Native Americans and Celts took inspiration from the world that was around them.And antlers were often mounted on some of the biggest game you could hope to come across.

While you are right that horns tend to be made of the same material as nails and hair, antlers have a 'safety feature' that means they'd break off near the skull if twisted hard enough, which is to prevent the animal getting stuck in bushes, trees or each other.

I might have to point out that how natural it might be for Trigon to have them, he isn't an animal so all the biological reasons don't really apply to him. If he needs to defend himself he is not going to bend over and charge and if he wants a mate then he will simply take her. The crown thing I do agree with, but on the other hand, I doubt Trigon is a figure you can miss or mistake for someone else, so there's not much point in having them to denote his own status. That leaves the intimidation factor, considering he is a villain and he is a demon, it makes sense that he'd have them purely to intimidate both characters and readers, a bit like old world leaders who'd appear to visitors wearing the hides of leopards, bears, wolves and lions.

Posted by Beast_in_the_Shadows

@outside_85: I didn't mean that it naturally made sense for him to have horns. Clearly since he is a demon, natural doesn't enter into it. I meant that in a biological sense Antlers are in many ways more dangerous than horns, so if you were picking one for pure intimidation antlers ought to have more clout.

Clearly on a demon they would serve very little practical purpose and be mostly cosmetic, but to that degree large, elaborate antlers serve as a much better status symbol than horns do while also setting himself apart from the mainstream idea of what demons are.

Simply said it was a different direction that worked just as well, if not better than the standard which makes it all the more interesting in my book.

Posted by DarkShadows

Seeing Marv Wolfman writing Teen Titans again and Trigon? I'm in.

Posted by NightFang

I wonder if Deathstroke and Trigon well team up?