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Exclusive Preview: WORLDS' FINEST #21

The First Contact crossover story continues here!

WORLDS' FINEST #21

Written by Paul Levitz

Co-Conspirator: Greg Pak

Pencils by RB Silva

Inks by Joe Weems & Norm Rapmund

Colors by Jason Wright

The “First Contact” crossover with BATMAN/SUPERMAN reaches its conclusion as Kaizan Gamorra unleashes a plot to depower Power Girl and unlock the secrets of Superman of Earth 2!

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Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf

Did they ever explain why PG seems so much weaker than Supergirl or Superman? She doesn't seem to have the feats to match them, despite being a Kryptonian.

Edited by PapiNacho

Huh, so Huntress inherited the Batkick. Balling.

Posted by LCazT1996

Can PG and Huntress go back to Earth-2 now? That'd be cool.

Posted by Fallschirmjager

I think I'm gonna pass on this x-over. alternate universes are stupid

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Edited by Fastestmanalive

Uuuuuuuhhhh why is DC releasing part 4 when part 3 is not going to come out for like another month??

Kinda dumb.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

Ok so I'm not reading this but how did Huntress just hurt PG?

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Edited by Fhiz

So they're straight up releasing Part 4 of this story, the finale, before Part 3... Great.

Edited by mak13131313

What I want to know is why does it say that this is the conclusion when solicit's for Batman/Superman #9 which comes out April 16th says that it is continued from Worlds Finest #20?

Posted by iaconpoint

@omgomgwtfwtf: Because DC considers them A-listers and PG a B-lister because they don't know how to elevate the talent.

Posted by cagedleo730

@omgomgwtfwtf: Desaad attacked Power Girl with Apokoliptan technology that messed up her powers.

Posted by Outside_85

@omgomgwtfwtf: Desaad attacked Power Girl with Apokoliptan technology that messed up her powers.

This. It's kinda the reason this story got going, since Kara's powers just began to fluctuate wildly and it was getting increasingly dangerous.

Posted by daredevil21134

Bring back Bertinelli!

Posted by Akindoodle

"My lovely Ken?" Tell me that's a Barbie reference. It's a Barbie reference, right? RIGHT?!

Bring back Bertinelli!

I don't mind her name being Helena WAYNE as long as we got to see the personality of BERTINELLI. Sure it would be a little different because of her circumstances growing up and all that but if she was still the foul-mouthed, impulsive, troubled (and perhaps slightly hyper-sexual) woman I came to love from Birds of Prey, she'd be fine.

Edited by The Stegman

I actually really like this crossover, it made me add World's Finest to my pull.

Posted by Farkam

Why is it that everytime I turn around members of that Bat-family are fighting those of the Superman-family. I don't read much DC at all so it's probably just chance that I keep running into these, lol.

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@cagedleo730 said:

@omgomgwtfwtf: Desaad attacked Power Girl with Apokoliptan technology that messed up her powers.

This. It's kinda the reason this story got going, since Kara's powers just began to fluctuate wildly and it was getting increasingly dangerous.

She was always weak, even before Desaad's attack whacked out her powers. She has trouble versus like everything she fights.

Edited by SmashBrawler

Whu-what? That's Kaizen Gamorra? Oh God, it's like a bad joke...

Posted by Dernman

Whu-what? That's Kaizen Gamorra? Oh God, it's like a bad joke...

That's another one. One more like the original already appeared in Team 7 but was killed at the end when Majestic destroyed the island.

Posted by daredevil21134

"My lovely Ken?" Tell me that's a Barbie reference. It's a Barbie reference, right? RIGHT?!

@daredevil21134 said:

Bring back Bertinelli!

I don't mind her name being Helena WAYNE as long as we got to see the personality of BERTINELLI. Sure it would be a little different because of her circumstances growing up and all that but if she was still the foul-mouthed, impulsive, troubled (and perhaps slightly hyper-sexual) woman I came to love from Birds of Prey, she'd be fine.

Still hate Helena Wayne

Posted by TaliaPhoenix

@omgomgwtfwtf: I don't think they've ever explained why, but I would love to know if they have or if anyone has any theories on why (multiverse jumping somehow weakening her?) Power Girl is so much weaker than Super Girl and Super Man.

Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee

Ok so I'm not reading this but how did Huntress just hurt PG?

She used the Bat-Kick! If such a move can own Spectre then PG has no chance! :P

But real answer: PG's powers have been going on and off so I'm assuming at that moment her powers were off.

Posted by Akindoodle

@akindoodle said:

"My lovely Ken?" Tell me that's a Barbie reference. It's a Barbie reference, right? RIGHT?!

@daredevil21134 said:

Bring back Bertinelli!

I don't mind her name being Helena WAYNE as long as we got to see the personality of BERTINELLI. Sure it would be a little different because of her circumstances growing up and all that but if she was still the foul-mouthed, impulsive, troubled (and perhaps slightly hyper-sexual) woman I came to love from Birds of Prey, she'd be fine.

Still hate Helena Wayne

Haha. Okay

Posted by COBRAMORPH
I don't mind her name being Helena WAYNE as long as we got to see the personality of BERTINELLI. Sure it would be a little different because of her circumstances growing up and all that but if she was still the foul-mouthed, impulsive, troubled (and perhaps slightly hyper-sexual) woman I came to love from Birds of Prey, she'd be fine.

Except no, Bertinelli & Wayne are two entirely different characters, & this entire conversation about having one OR the other is just dumb as Helena Wayne exists after Bertinelli. I see Hal, Guy, John, & Kyle are all together, in fact they even added a pointless new GL.

Its disgusting because they did NOT have to murder Bertinelli, if they so badly wanted Helena Wayne to be Huntress, just put Bertinelli in a different costume. Cripple HER & let her become Oracle2.0

Or have Bertinelli exist on Earth-2 & she becomes a new Huntress after Wayne & PG vanish.

Posted by HexThis

Bring back Bertinelli!

No kidding, I need her back right now. Helena Wayne is bland.

Posted by daredevil21134

@hexthis said:

@daredevil21134 said:

Bring back Bertinelli!

No kidding, I need her back right now. Helena Wayne is bland.

Yes!

@akindoodle said:
I don't mind her name being Helena WAYNE as long as we got to see the personality of BERTINELLI. Sure it would be a little different because of her circumstances growing up and all that but if she was still the foul-mouthed, impulsive, troubled (and perhaps slightly hyper-sexual) woman I came to love from Birds of Prey, she'd be fine.

Except no, Bertinelli & Wayne are two entirely different characters, & this entire conversation about having one OR the other is just dumb as Helena Wayne exists after Bertinelli. I see Hal, Guy, John, & Kyle are all together, in fact they even added a pointless new GL.

Its disgusting because they did NOT have to murder Bertinelli, if they so badly wanted Helena Wayne to be Huntress, just put Bertinelli in a different costume. Cripple HER & let her become Oracle2.0

Or have Bertinelli exist on Earth-2 & she becomes a new Huntress after Wayne & PG vanish.

QFT!

Posted by TheFirstLantern

Uuuuuuuhhhh why is DC releasing part 4 when part 3 is not going to come out for like another month??

Kinda dumb.

this.

Posted by SmashBrawler

@dernman said:

@smashbrawler said:

Whu-what? That's Kaizen Gamorra? Oh God, it's like a bad joke...

That's another one. One more like the original already appeared in Team 7 but was killed at the end when Majestic destroyed the island.

Yeah, I saw that. I don't really get why they felt like doing this though, the whole thing feels almost like a parody.

Posted by Akindoodle

@cobramorph said:
@akindoodle said:
I don't mind her name being Helena WAYNE as long as we got to see the personality of BERTINELLI. Sure it would be a little different because of her circumstances growing up and all that but if she was still the foul-mouthed, impulsive, troubled (and perhaps slightly hyper-sexual) woman I came to love from Birds of Prey, she'd be fine.

Except no, Bertinelli & Wayne are two entirely different characters, & this entire conversation about having one OR the other is just dumb as Helena Wayne exists after Bertinelli. I see Hal, Guy, John, & Kyle are all together, in fact they even added a pointless new GL.

Its disgusting because they did NOT have to murder Bertinelli, if they so badly wanted Helena Wayne to be Huntress, just put Bertinelli in a different costume. Cripple HER & let her become Oracle2.0

Or have Bertinelli exist on Earth-2 & she becomes a new Huntress after Wayne & PG vanish.

QFT!

Oh God, okay. I didn't realise how strongly you guys felt about it but I do agree that Bertinelli's murder was just... unnecessary's not a strong enough word. Earth 2 Bertinelli would be interesting to read but I don't think she'd be a very good Oracle. We're talking about Helena; she's got the patience of a tightly wound rubber band. She'd be a very bad Oracle to say the least

Posted by CrazyScarecrow

Looks like an interesting comic. Might get it.

Also I am not that into the Huntress so I don't know if anything terrible happened to Bertinelli like them introducing her and killing her off as soon as the New 52 began or anything, but they can still have Wayne and Bertinelli. Maybe during the time when Huntress and Power Girl are back in Earth 2 we can see Bertinelli take influence from the Huntress and use that as her identity and Bertinelli can become the Huntress of Earth 1 or Prime Earth or whatever DC is calling the main universe.

Posted by Brione

It doesn't make any sense at all that First Contact part 4 is coming out before part 3. Why wouldn't they just push this comic back a few weeks and have it come out the same day as Batman/Superman #9? I'm just gonna pick it up and then wait to read it.

Posted by Jimosai

It doesn't matter how strong PG is, it only matters how heavy she is and how hard Huntress hit her in an upward direction. The only thing she could do is fly/hover to try and recover, but maybe she was too surprised to do that. Anyone would be surprised if their friend suddenly took them down out of nowhere.

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Posted by Rainja

I wouldn't mind seeing these two supes go for a nice brawl. can't wait.

Posted by Onemoreposter

Huh, so Huntress inherited the Batkick. Balling.

lolol

Edited by jasonorton75

Great Job DC...This book is going read kind of goofy since part 3 was pushed back to April 16th!

Posted by BlackColossus

just not into that book....at least DC is trying to do the gender flip thing and pay more attention to its female characters...

Posted by Frozen

Did they ever explain why PG seems so much weaker than Supergirl or Superman? She doesn't seem to have the feats to match them, despite being a Kryptonian.

Because she hasn't done anything yet?

Earth 2 Superman is much more powerful than New 52 Superman or Supergirl (PG's cousin)

Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf

@frozen:

Earth 2 Superman is not more powerful than New-52 Supes.

Posted by Frozen

@omgomgwtfwtf: Earth 2 Superman is significantly more powerful than Supergirl. He is more powerful than New-52 Superman given his new Darkseid power amp. He is unstoppable and has some of the best 'combat' feats for any version of Superman.

Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf

@frozen:

New-52 Superman has punched hard enough to make the Earth shake and can bench press the weight of the Earth for several days. Earth 2 Superman has yet to do anything impressive. Beating up the World's Army is not that significant of a feat, given that they are fodder. The only thing he has that is different from Earth-1 Superman is the heat vision, which is similar to the omega beams in that it follows its target. Other than that, he hasn't done anything to put him on the level of Superman. Also, his "Darkseid amp" is never alluded to or even explained, so to say that he had any significant power upgrade is fallacious.

As for Supergirl, I never said that she was stronger than Earth-2 Superman. My point was that Supergirl has better feats than Power Girl and Power Girl is an older version of Supergirl. During their team up, Supergirl's base deemed that Power Girl was the superior Kryptonian and tried to kill Supergirl. Despite that, Power Girl has trouble beating giant dogs.

Posted by Frozen

@omgomgwtfwtf:

New-52 Superman has punched hard enough to make the Earth shake and can bench press the weight of the Earth for several days.

He has also struggled to lift a large hellicarrier (which I will also regard as low). The weight of the Earth feat is PIS, it is extremely inconsistent with his showings. Lobdell wrote that feat.

Earth 2 Superman has yet to do anything impressive. Beating up the World's Army is not that significant of a feat, given that they are fodder. The only thing he has that is different from Earth-1 Superman is the heat vision, which is similar to the omega beams in that it follows its target. Other than that, he hasn't done anything to put him on the level of Superman. Also, his "Darkseid amp" is never alluded to or even explained, so to say that he had any significant power upgrade is fallacious.

He has some of the best combat feats you could possibly ask for. Taking out the world army in seconds is impressive considering they were formidable and the way in which he did so, he also took out Steppenwolf. Bisecting Steppenwolf and tanking the explosion is impressive considering that explosion damaged atleast 1/5 of The Earth. He decimated Dr Fate. Easily defeated the JSA and caught Jay, who has the speed of a god. He clearly has a power amp. It is hardly fallacious considering Brutaal is clearly amplified.

The Earth One Superman is another Superman. That version is more in tune with the Man of Steel Superman. The New-52 Superman is the Prime Earth. New-52 Superman's consistent showings do not match up to Bruutal's, only his high end showings.

As for Supergirl, I never said that she was stronger than Earth-2 Superman. My point was that Supergirl has better feats than Power Girl and Power Girl is an older version of Supergirl. During their team up, Supergirl's base deemed that Power Girl was the superior Kryptonian and tried to kill Supergirl. Despite that, Power Girl has trouble beating giant dogs.

Supposedly Power Girl's powers are now fluctuating.

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@frozen:

I don't see how taking down the World Army is significant, when regular Superman can do the same thing. Earth-2 Superman has no morals, so of course he would speed blitz them all. It's not a high end feat, given that he's fighting a human army with absolutely no track record. It's like saying SHIELD is not fodder, despite their titles and claims. It's all the same.

Also, it took him several days to destroy the entire World Army, not seconds. It took him several seconds to destroy the fleet that he was fighting and he had help when he did that.

As for the rest of your analysis, beating Jay is not impressive because he's nowhere near Flash in terms of speed. Jay is hypersonic at best (this is the guy who got tagged by Speedy). Beating Dr. Fate is also unimpressive, given that Earth-2 Superman was listening to their entire conversation and knew what they were planning. New-52 Dr. Fate is also lacking in terms of feats to say that he's comparable to his Pre-52 counterpart.

This applies to Steppenwolf too. He has no feats to make Earth-2 Superman killing him a high end feat. All Steppenwolf ever did was kill Wonder Woman and he did it by sneaking up on her. Steppenwolf was getting beaten down by Alan Scott before he was saved by evil Supes.

Earth-1 Superman has better feats in every department. He's fast enough to fly from Pluto to Earth faster than people could teleport there. He has better strength and durability showings as well.

Earth-2 Superman could be superior, but as of now, no feats suggest so.

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@omgomgwtfwtf:

don't see how taking down the World Army is significant, when regular Superman can do the same thing. Earth-2 Superman has no morals, so of course he would speed blitz them all. It's not a high end feat, given that he's fighting a human army with absolutely no track record. It's like saying SHIELD is not fodder, despite their titles and claims. It's all the same.

Also, it took him several days to destroy the entire World Army, not seconds. It took him several seconds to destroy the fleet that he was fighting and he had help when he did that.

As for the rest of your analysis, beating Jay is not impressive because he's nowhere near Flash in terms of speed. Jay is hypersonic at best (this is the guy who got tagged by Speedy). Beating Dr. Fate is also unimpressive, given that Earth-2 Superman was listening to their entire conversation and knew what they were planning. New-52 Dr. Fate is also lacking in terms of feats to say that he's comparable to his Pre-52 counterpart.

This applies to Steppenwolf too. He has no feats to make Earth-2 Superman killing him a good showing. All Steppenwolf ever did was kill Wonder Woman and he did it by sneaking up on her. Steppenwolf was getting beaten down by Alan Scott before he was saved by evil Supes.

No offence but New-52 Superman also has a plethora of showings against 'featless' characters. He also has showings such as bleeding from the punches of an enhanced Batman and getting knocked off his feat from Shazam . The world army are not featless to the extent you claim. They were combating Steppenwolf. Clearly they were not the regular army as they had the fire power to combat such threats. Blitzing them is a feat, considering the manner he did so. His 'help' paled in comparison to what he did. Darkseid's minions are of not much contribution to Earth 2 Superman.

Jay is not hypersonic. Initially, he was inexperienced but as he progressed he gained a better grasp of his powers and was capable of blitzing more efficiently. He obtained the full power of Mercury. Listening to their conversation does not matter either. He brutally beat him down.

Alan was not 'winning' either, he was holding his own and nearly died in that same comic.

Sneaking up on her? She wasn't half a sleep. She was killing hordes of parademons, to which Superman admired. She was clearly in combat and knew of the risks. New-52 Superman has not shown this level of power:

New-52 Superman could beat Earth-2 Superman without his Darkseid amp. But on consistent showings, he's below Earth 2 Superman. Unless he has his higher end showings with his lower end showings negated.

New-52 Superman is not the Earth One version. This is the Earth One Superman.

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@frozen said:

@omgomgwtfwtf:

No offence but New-52 Superman also has a plethora of showings against 'featless' characters. He also has showings such as bleeding from the punches of an enhanced Batman and getting knocked off his feat from Shazam . The world army are not featless to the extent you claim. They were combating Steppenwolf. Clearly they were not the regular army as they had the fire power to combat such threats. Blitzing them is a feat, considering the manner he did so. His 'help' paled in comparison to what he did. Darkseid's minions are of not much contribution to Earth 2 Superman.

Jay is not hypersonic. Initially, he was inexperienced but as he progressed he gained a better grasp of his powers and was capable of blitzing more efficiently. He obtained the full power of Mercury. Listening to their conversation does not matter either. He brutally beat him down.

Alan was not 'winning' either, he was holding his own and nearly died in that same comic.

Sneaking up on her? She wasn't half a sleep. She was killing hordes of parademons, to which Superman admired. She was clearly in combat and knew of the risks. New-52 Superman has not shown this level of power:

New-52 Superman could beat Earth-2 Superman without his Darkseid amp. But on consistent showings, he's below Earth 2 Superman. Unless he has his higher end showings with his lower end showings negated.

New-52 Superman is not the Earth One version. This is the Earth One Superman.

So you now you are trying to lowball New-52 Superman by bringing up the Batman feat? Seriously dude? I'm not lowballing Earth-2 Superman, I'm literally stating that the people he fought have no substantial feats to actually make defeating them a remarkable task. The World Army is featless, it has done nothing noteworthy. "Combating Steppenwolf" is far from an actual feat, it holds as much weight as me saying "SHIELD has fought the Avengers". The World Army was losing versus Steppenwolf badly. They were getting stomped into the ground.

As for his help, so your telling me that he's entire army of Parademons and the rest of the goon squad didn't do anything? Especially considering that they were there to help him defeat the World Army. Your trying to attribute Superman's win over the World Army as a solo-mission, when it clearly wasn't.

Jay is hypersonic, your conjecture doesn't prove otherwise. Show me a movement feat that would put him past hypersonic. Blitzing people doesn't prove much, other than that he's moving faster than they can react. Which isn't difficult, given that he blitzes regular humans.

Also, you have yet to show me how beating Alan Scott amounts to much. He literally blitzed him and step on his head. A feat that New-52 Superman could easily accomplish if he had the same morals as Evil Superman.

So, yet again, I ask you, show me something that makes him superior to New-52 Superman. Your hashing out feats that regular Supes could easily duplicate if he had the same mindset.

You claim that Steppenwolf didn't sneak up on her, but gave no valid reason. Just because she was in a battle, it somehow makes his feat valid? I mean seriously. He snuck up behind her and stabbed her. There is no other way to spin that scene around.

I really don't see how you can claim Evil Superman has better feats, when New-52 Superman has many more showings and appears in several comics at once. His reservoir of feats is many times larger than Earth-2 Superman, and even accounting for his "low" showings, he's still better in every conceivable way.

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@omgomgwtfwtf:

So you now you are trying to lowball New-52 Superman by bringing up the Batman feat? Seriously dude? I'm not lowballing Earth-2 Superman, I'm literally stating that the people he fought have no substantial feats to actually make defeating them a remarkable task. The World Army is featless, it has done nothing noteworthy. "Combating Steppenwolf" is far from an actual feat, it holds as much weight as me saying "SHIELD has fought the Avengers". The World Army was losing versus Steppenwolf badly. They were getting stomped into the ground.

I'm perfectly aware that it's a low showing. Just as pushing at the weight of the Earth for 5 days is an incredibly high showing. A showing to which people are quick to accept in open arms. You are claiming that they are completely featless, they were resisting Steppenwolf. Ironic you bring up the army 'getting stomped into the ground' - that is exactly what Brutaal did to Dr Fate. The world army consisted of super-humans. If they were really that useless, they would have died in the first invasion, regardless of external help.

As for his help, so your telling me that he's entire army of Parademons and the rest of the goon squad didn't do anything? Especially considering that they were there to help him defeat the World Army. Your trying to attribute Superman's win over the World Army as a solo-mission, when it clearly wasn't.

He was the one slaughtering them and utilizing his abilities. He commanded them. It was clearly a solo mission.

Jay is hypersonic, your conjecture doesn't prove otherwise. Show me a movement feat that would put him past hypersonic. Blitzing people doesn't prove much, other than that he's moving faster than they can react. Which isn't difficult, given that he blitzes regular humans.

He ran from Lansing Michigan to Silesian Beskids Poland in seconds. That is beyond hypersonic.

Also, you have yet to show me how beating Alan Scott amounts to much. He literally blitzed him and step on his head. A feat that New-52 Superman could easily accomplish if he had the same morals as Evil Superman.

Only if Geoff Johns is writing Green Lantern. Alan is more powerful on Earth, that is the source of his power.

So, yet again, I ask you, show me something that makes him superior to New-52 Superman. Your hashing out feats that regular Supes could easily duplicate if he had the same mindset.

You keep saying that he can replicate those same feats despite the fact that regular Superman has amassed showings which suggest otherwise. Brutaal isn't just 'evil Superman' - he has clearly been amplified in power.

You claim that Steppenwolf didn't sneak up on her, but gave no valid reason. Just because she was in a battle, it somehow makes his feat valid? I mean seriously. He snuck up behind her and stabbed her. There is no other way to spin that scene around.

No I didn't. You are acting as if she was half asleep. The previous page shows Superman admiring her skill and saying how strong she is. Her senses would be higher in combat opposed to being blissfully unaware of any such threat.

I really don't see how you can claim Evil Superman has better feats, when New-52 Superman has many more showings and appears in several comics at once. His reservoir of feats is many times larger than Earth-2 Superman, and even accounting for his "low" showings, he's still better in every conceivable way.

Most of his showings do not put him close to Darkseid power amp. Using high end showings such as the weight of the Earth feat does not help your claim either. In many of his showings, he is getting smacked around in combat. He has not shown power-levels to the point where he can solo Earth 2.

You claim the Earth 2 heroes were inexperienced and featless, yet New-52 Superman was knocked clean off his feet from a young, inexperienced featless Superman. This happened after Superman had speed-blitzed him.

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@frozen:

I'm perfectly aware that it's a low showing. Just as pushing at the weight of the Earth for 5 days is an incredibly high showing. A showing to which people are quick to accept in open arms. You are claiming that they are completely featless, they were resisting Steppenwolf. Ironic you bring up the army 'getting stomped into the ground' - that is exactly what Brutaal did to Dr Fate. The world army consisted of super-humans. If they were really that useless, they would have died in the first invasion, regardless of external help.

Even if we eliminate that single feat from Superman's repertoire, he has done things like shake the planet with his blows. Evil Superman doesn't have those strength feats.

I still fail to see how resisting Steppenwolf means anything. The World Army is featless fodder. That is what it is. There is no way you can spin it.

They didn't die during the first invasion because Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman were there, plus whichever other supers were present.

Clearly, the World Army didn't survive by the skins of their own teeth. It's pretty clear that they are incompetent at what they do and were completely underestimating their enemy.

He was the one slaughtering them and utilizing his abilities. He commanded them. It was clearly a solo mission.

No it wasn't, because it was a freaking invasion. I don't see how it's a solo mission when he has an army on his side, destroying things as well.

He also has other two people helping him, the magic skeleton and telepath.

Regardless of him commanding the army, he still had help.

He ran from Lansing Michigan to Silesian Beskids Poland in seconds. That is beyond hypersonic.

Except he has never utilized that speed in combat. He can't even control himself when he runs that fast, so it's still pretty useless. He's not matching mainstream Flash when it comes to speed or reflexes.

Jay Garrick is so bad at fighting that freaking Hawkgirl has no problems defending herself from his failed blitzes.

So Superman defeating him is really not that impressive, considering that Jay Garrick's plan was to just run away from him.

Only if Geoff Johns is writing Green Lantern. Alan is more powerful on Earth, that is the source of his power.

Excuses, dude, excuses. By your own admission, your saying that Steppenwolf is not stronger than Alan, who gets stomped by Superman?

That would imply that Steppenwolf is weaker than Superman.

So him dying very casually from Superman is not a feat for Superman, but merely a sign of how weak Steppenwolf is (a guy who is still featless, might I add).

You keep saying that he can replicate those same feats despite the fact that regular Superman has amassed showings which suggest otherwise. Brutaal isn't just 'evil Superman' - he has clearly been amplified in power.

Besides glowing eyes and a love for Darkseid, he hasn't gotten a visible power upgrade. What you are saying is pure conjecture at best. Aside from his omega-like beams, he has gained no additional powers.

Like I said before, he has done nothing that regular Superman couldn't do. Lifting the Washington Memorial and slamming it into the White House is something that Superman could do easily if he really cared to do so. The same with collapsing the World Army base.

No I didn't. You are acting as if she was half asleep. The previous page shows Superman admiring her skill and saying how strong she is. Her senses would be higher in combat opposed to being blissfully unaware of any such threat.

Except that Superman was clearly trying to warn Diana, who was completely oblivious to him being behind her, evident by her facial expression. He was behind her, while her attention was focused elsewhere, he didn't beat her in a legitimate fight.

You're the one who's saying that she is half-asleep, I made no mention of that. I said he snuck up on her, which he did. Pretty evident by the scan I posted.

I'm not going to discuss this point any further, the proof is pretty much in the scan.

Most of his showings do not put him close to Darkseid power amp. Using high end showings such as the weight of the Earth feat does not help your claim either. In many of his showings, he is getting smacked around in combat. He has not shown power-levels to the point where he can solo Earth 2.

I don't see how getting smacked around makes Superman weaker. He gets smacked around because he has morals and doesn't instantly decimate his foes like evil Superman. Superman has beaten people with actual feats, unlike evil Superman.

Superman has done more, has more showings, and better feats.

His combat and travel speed alone far surpasses evil Superman.

You claim the Earth 2 heroes were inexperienced and featless, yet New-52 Superman was knocked clean off his feet from a young, inexperienced featless Superman. This happened after Superman had speed-blitzed him.

Earth-2 heroes are experienced. It's not a claim. It's a literal fact. They haven't been heroes for even a year. I'm not making this shit up, it's literally stated so in the comic book.

So I'm really failing to see where the miscommunication is. Alan Scott has been Dr. Fate for all about a week (maybe) and Jay has been Flash for about an additional week (maybe).

None of them have the experience of their mainstream version or comparable feats.

As for the fight with Shazam, nothing happened. He got Superman pissed after punching him and Superman blitzes his ass again.

Because if I really wanted to lowball characters, I could bring up the fact that evil Superman was hit by a rock thrown by Jay.

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