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Erasing the Original Teen Titans

They may not have been Teen Titans but does that mean they never were a team?

If there's one thing the New 52 does it's getting people talking. There has been a level of excitement in seeing the changes and finding out what DC has planned for the characters. There is also the sense of confusion in wondering what has or has not happened. Some characters like Batman and Green Lantern have seen very little changes to their history. Other characters have been completely rewritten.

The New 52 was meant to be a soft reset for the years of continuity. It was all to be new reader friendly. Because of this, it's understandable that some bits of character history would be tweaked and other parts removed. The dreaded 'five years ago' also played a big factor in condensing major events in the characters' lives.

With the Teen Titans, we've seen that in the first year of the New 52, the decision has been made to change Tim Drake's current team from being a new incarnation of the team to being the actual first time there ever has been a group of Teen Titans. If this is the case, what does that mean for all the previous Teen Titans stories and characters?

== TEASER ==

The original Teen Titans consisted of Dick Grayson (as Robin), Wally West (as Kid Flash) and Garth (Aqualad). Shortly after their first appearance, they were joined by Donna Troy and Roy Harper. Looking at this roster, Dick and Roy are the only ones that currently officially exist in the New 52. Wally, Garth and Donna have not been seen or mentioned. We don't know if they actually exist or are simply somewhere else (which we refer to as 'comic book limbo'). Just because we haven't see the others doesn't mean they don't exist and they never had their adventures. Or does it?

The team continued in the late 60s and 70s with a couple cancellations to the series as well as new members when the series returned. Other characters such as Beast Boy, Bumblebee, Bat-Girl, Duela Dent and Hawk and Dove were either introduced or brought into some of the stories. It was the Marv Wolfman and George Perez series, THE NEW TEEN TITANS in the 80s that introduced Starfire, Cyborg and Raven as well as provided their biggest adversary, Deathstroke the Terminator.

Did any of these adventures happen? What about the epic story, "The Judas Contract" where Deathstroke has Terra infiltrate the team in order to utterly defeat them? Deathstroke doesn't appear to have any connection or interest in any of the members. Beast Boy has been re-introduced as part of the Ravagers. Cyborg's accident lead him straight to the roster of the Justice League.

RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS #6

In RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS #6 we did get a tiny bit of hope. In a flashback to Jason Todd's return from the dead, he encounters Starfire for the first time. She mentions her memories were a little fuzzy but did allude to spending time with Dick and Roy as what we can assume a team of sorts. Dick was even shown wearing his blue Nightwing costume. This means some of the original Teen Titans adventures could have still happened. They could also have been on a team with Wally, Donna and even Cyborg. Maybe.

Just because characters such as Donna and Wally haven't been seen or mentioned doesn't mean they don't exist. DC has mentioned they are merely waiting for the right time and right stories to re-introduce the missing characters such as them. We can assume Beast Boy had no interaction with them from his appearances in 'The Culling' and RAVAGERS. Cyborg may be part of the Justice League but we get the feeling that team hasn't spent an enormous amount of time together. They still don't know everything about each other and may have only gathered together for the major threats. This could give Cyborg the opportunity to have adventures with others. Although, in the recent JUSTICE LEAGUE #13, we strongly get the impression he simply sits around the Watchtower alone.

Of course the current TEEN TITANS series guarantees that the last volume, all 100 issues, hasn't happened. At least those adventures haven't happened yet.

For those concerned about these past stories, it's been said that we still have our old copies and trades. We can live with the knowledge that they did occur for us back then. They are just no longer part of the current continuity. It's unfortunate that it has to be an extreme case of either the events happened or they didn't. It could have been left more ambiguous. We could have been lead to believe that there was a Teen Titans in the past without the specifics being told what issues did or didn't happen. With BATMAN and GREEN LANTERN comics, we can assume most things happened. By clearly stating that there wasn't a Teen Titans before pretty much wipes out the chance that the previous stories happened in any shape or form.

It's understandable that editorial may wish to step back a little and have this new Teen Titans be introduced to readers without a lot of baggage. It just isn't necessary to completely obliterate the history that all of the characters associated with the Teen Titans just to accommodate this idea. We can still hope that someday we'll find out more about the adventures Nightwing, Starfire and Arsenal had. It's possible some of the other former Titans were involved. Until then, we'll have to keep reading our old trades to make sure the stories are not forgotten.

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Posted by turoksonofstone

@Apis said:

Don't call it a Re-Boot... we're murdering History!

@Cezar_TheScribe said:

DC didn't think this change through or they don't care. Changing everything and erasing all continuity is a real slap in the face of long time and loyal fans.

lol

Posted by Cezar_TheScribe

What's so funny? >:p

Posted by Agypt2020

Here we go with the stupid and dumb ass writers writing "It Did Not Happen". Like saying I have not lived my life for 46 years! If I am doing this K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupids), I would create The New Titans or the Titans, which would evolve and form the Young Justice new teen characters. The Team Titans members would be as follows: Night wing, Star fire, Raven (purified of her demonic heritage and white costume), change Wally West name (no longer Kid Flash) an original identity, change Red Arrow to Archer, and grow up Bill Baxter from kid to young adult, call him SHAZAM, and adult Cyborg. The Titans would be not like the Justice League, the latter would have their own identity, villains, and crisis etc. We know the history of these characters a new audience do not need the recollections, start the beginning of a new story.

Posted by wh1t3b0y5t33z

I want to have Wally and Donna and all of the cool elements that made the Titans what they were. But I don't want them force fed to us. Give it time. Let it make sense that they come back. Don't be all "WE STEPPED THROUGH A MAGIC PORTAL CREATED BY A DRAGON, SO LETS FORM A TEAM AND KICK ASS!" That'd be awesome. But not something I wanna see in a comic book

Posted by AskaniSon295

new beastboy looks like the son of starfire and changeling

Posted by BatWatch

@wh1t3b0y5t33z said:

I want to have Wally and Donna and all of the cool elements that made the Titans what they were. But I don't want them force fed to us. Give it time. Let it make sense that they come back. Don't be all "WE STEPPED THROUGH A MAGIC PORTAL CREATED BY A DRAGON, SO LETS FORM A TEAM AND KICK ASS!" That'd be awesome. But not something I wanna see in a comic book

(big laugh) That's awesome. That really is the way a lot of teams are presented these days.

It seems strange that DC is holding back these character when there is such a big demand, but you are right in that it is better to have to wait for a good story than to get a rushed piece of crap.

For more news, reviews, and commentary for the entire Bat Family, check out BatWatch.

Posted by colonyofcells

1.Dc erasing old history is nothing new. Once earth 1 was introduced in 1961, all the older adventures were sort of erased on earth 1 and moved to earth 2. COIE reboot also pretty much erased all the pre-1985 stories.

2. Titans have another problem in that dc made the mistake of aging the sidekicks and ending up with 2 generations of sidekicks. For post-52 Teen Titans, dc decided to keep the Bart Allen generation and erasing the Wally West generation pretty much. With the reboot of Barry to a younger age, it became difficult to keep both Bart and Wally so Wally was sacrificed and all pre-52 Titans history got erased.

Posted by daredevil21134

@charlieboy said:

They undid some of the best parts of the DC universe.

Another reason why I don't care for DC

Posted by TheReaper111

people like me who grew up with the tv show are all very pissed at this whole thing :(

Posted by Sner2000

I hate it with every fiber of my being. I do not purchase or read Teen Titans now. It went from my favorite title, to being a title I refuse to acknowledge. Just thinking about the erased history makes me start shaking with rage. But I do believe that someday, some writer will come in and write it all back together and clean up this mess DC has made.

Posted by COBRAMORPH

a soft reset of continuity is moronic, & is not helpful or new user friendly. You have to either get rid of it all & start over, or do nothing at all.

Posted by colonyofcells

For those who don't like the New 52 reboots, just wait maybe 5 years and dc might erase the history from 2011 to 2012 and everything gets erased sooner or later.

Posted by HushoftheWind

I honestly think the original titans did exist as team, but i dont think they went by the name titans. With popularity of the tv show, i think the OG titans went by Young Justice, hopefully that will be established during the Death of the Family Teen Titans arc with Arsenal leading the team. Maybe Arsenal will give the new 52 titans a history lesson we all need.

Posted by WonderHunter

@BatWatch said:

I tried to read the article G-Man, but by the end, I was too ticked off by being reminded of the unnecessary changes. I've always liked the saying, "If it aint broke, don't fix it." There were a few specific things that were broken at DC before the reboot, but the reboot wiped out tons of stuff just in the name of change. Teen Titans is such an example.

@RedheadedAtrocitus said:

Yeah sadly Teen Titans is another example of something that was MUCH finer in the pre-Flashpoint reality and was completely revamped, and not for the better, in the current continuity. Just a sad reminder, even if for me the classic stories will always be canon in my mind, always.

@mfundo said:

I love the original Teen Titans. Each team member fit so well together.

@Black Lantern Mar-vell said:

MY Teen Titans was Dick, Starfire, Cyborg, Raven, Donna, & Beast Boy. In my mind THEY STILL ARE! You shouldn't have to change history in order to be able to write good new stories.

And Kid Flash

@Cezar_TheScribe said:

DC didn't think this change through or they don't care. Changing everything and erasing all continuity is a real slap in the face of long time and loyal fans.

I agree.

@Sner2000 said:

I hate it with every fiber of my being. I do not purchase or read Teen Titans now. It went from my favorite title, to being a title I refuse to acknowledge. Just thinking about the erased history makes me start shaking with rage. But I do believe that someday, some writer will come in and write it all back together and clean up this mess DC has made.