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Early Review: 'Dark Reign-The List: X-MEN' #1

Babs does an early review for the upcoming issue!

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'Dark Reign-The List: X-MEN' #1
Written by: Matt Fraction
Art by: Alan Davis
 
How could I possibly pass up the opportunity to do an early review of a comic that is centered almost entirely around Namor? When Marvel gave me the opportunity to give an early review of 'Dark Reign-The List: X-MEN' I could not pass up the opportunity! I am glad I did as I thoroughly enjoyed the book. The reception of Fraction's take on the 'X-Men' as of late has been met with mixed reviews from what I have seen on Comic Vine; but I felt that the interaction between the characters was well portrayed, particularly the underlying tension between Scott and Namor. There is a great scene where Namor purposely mistakes a comment made by Summers ("Oh my Lord!") to be directed at him ("I am not your King, Summers") a scene which I felt, really encompasses the differences between the two characters. The use of the double entendre at the expense of Scott Summers is priceless, and really captures Namor's arrogant attitude. It is not often I find that Namor is written to his full potential, and I think that Fraction does a phenomenal job with this character. Fraction's characterization is perfect, in that he is cocky, arrogant, stubborn; yet he also utilizes Namor as a physical force to be reckoned with, which was refreshing and not something I get to see very often. There were, however, some awkward transitions which felt almost choppy. I felt some of the panels could have been drawn out a little bit more. The issue seemed short, and I would have rather seen more of this story than the re-print of Fraction's 'Dead Man Walking' toward the end of the book. Then again, I have never really been fond of Wolverine and as a result I could have passed on that story. The art, unfortunately, did not blow me away and I would have liked to see more detail. It was not completely consistent throughout, and some panels seemed a bit rushed. Fans of the X-Men of yesteryear might like the artistic style; however; I felt like I saw a limited number of expressions (the cover is a good example of this). Perhaps the details were lost in the inking and coloring? Regardless it was solid enough, I guess I just expect a lot from Alan Davis. I really recommend this issue as it struck me as one of the better X-Men stories as of late. Look for it on the stands tomorrow!
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Posted by Clara Mass

I thought Yost wrote this book XD 
 
That is what it said on marvel.com 
 
Anyway probably picking this up if my wallet can handle the books I'm getting

Posted by Liam Bradley

 Namor's a character I've always intended to get into, however for some reason I've just never gotten round to it. Not much of a big character over here, but everything I've read with him in it is awesome. Visually the character and his comics just seems great, hopefully I'll be able to get into his stuff when it's a bit more accessible.  

Posted by No_Name_
@Clara Mass: That's so weird! Oh well, that's not what it said on the cover ;)
Posted by Clara Mass
@Babs said:
" @Clara Mass: That's so weird! Oh well, that's not what it said on the cover ;) "


You lost me Babs =P 
 
So your telling me Fraction wrote a good X-Men story lol

Its time I give him props

Posted by No_Name_
@Clara Mass: Where did I lose you? The cover says it's written by Fraction, not Yost.
Posted by FoxxFireArt

I'm sure a lot of men would describe their ex wives as ugly sea monsters, but that's beside the fact. The scene with Osborn does sound campy, but it still feels withing in arch type. He's suppose to be the full of himself business man. He's already a border line psychopath with a god complex. You'd have to be to bring in the people he did into his Cabal and somehow be so shocked when they turn on you. The best example of his personality can be seen in the armor he wears. he quite literally covered himself in the American flag.
 

"could of drawn it out a little bit."


You mean, more male shower scenes? lol How much process can you really get to within a single book? It doesn't lend itself well to natural progression. (Which is actually a part of something I'm planning on writing about.)
Posted by RaptorFratBoy

I know this will probably get me some heat, but the way Alan Davis draws makes me want to hang myself; dated, cheesy, and the absolute WORST faces I've ever seen drawn by someone who's so well-respected. He's the reason why I can't fully enjoy older "Excaliber" stories...Yuck!
 
Good bit about Namor/Cyclops, though...I just wish Cyke would've slapped him for it.

Edited by No_Name_
@FoxxFireArt: I was referring to the way which Fraction transitions from scene to scene. It could have been extended and less choppy.
Posted by hero vs. villian

Sounds A WHOLE LOT BETTER than that crap avengers one-shot that came out last week.
Posted by FoxxFireArt
@Babs said:

" @FoxxFireArt: I was referring to the way which Fraction transitions from scene to dcene. It could have been extended and less choppy. "

Though more Namor shower scenes wouldn't hurt either in your eyes, eh?
 
Seriously though, is that really Fraction's doing or the format of Alan Davis sets up in his art work? I haven't seen the book myself, obviously. I've been quite the critic of Fraction's handling of X-Men, but I don't know if I can really hold this against him. With Utopia he had several books to spread out a story to. Here, he had to tell a whole story within a single book. If he doesn't hit the bullet points early on you wont have much room for the conclusion.
 
I'm getting the feeling that they are trying to end Dark Reign too suddenly to line up with the The Siege story Marvel is now advertising for December.
Posted by RaptorFratBoy
@FoxxFireArt said:  
I'm getting the feeling that they are trying to end Dark Reign too suddenly to line up with the The Siege story Marvel is now advertising for December. "
Indeed...So much for "No more events after Dark Reign", eh? So far I've seen previews for "The Siege" and yet another "Hulk"-themed event, not to mention "Realm Of Kings". 
 
I honestly think Marvel is now a bit frightened to get back to normal, non-event-driven storytelling. EVERYTHING has to be connected, now.
Posted by Clara Mass
@Babs said:
" @Clara Mass: Where did I lose you? The cover says it's written by Fraction, not Yost. "

I didn't read the cover XD 
 
I skipped to you talking...sorry
Posted by FoxxFireArt
@RaptorFratBoy: 
Well, not much is being said right now of The Siege. It could just be an evolution of Dark Reign, the tale of the downfall. It would be too odd if suddenly Dark Reign ended and things went back to normal. Seeing how there are still Dark Avengers and Norman is still Iron Patriot. The heroes don't overthrow Osborn yet. I think, for the story, Osborn needs to fall in the public eyes to give a rational reason why the true heroes rise back. The Siege 'might' be the fall out of what Osborn started with Dark Reign. The public may discover his involvement in what Doom and Loki have done. Our heroes return to smack down the bad guys and the world goes back to normal. They haven't really given an real idea how long this Siege story is forecast to last.
Posted by FLStyle

@Babs: Hey Namor, I'm happy for you and I'm gonna let you finish, but Babs is the best Spice Girl of all time. Of all time.
 
HA!
I'd love to hear you vent your disgust for them on the next podcast. I just found that Comic Vine tweet about them threatening to re-reunite again so random and hilarious, loved it.
 
If I can be on topic for just a second, after seeing your opinion on that cheesy Osborn bit, I started wondering where this whole Dark Reign is supposed to be heading, I never really thought Osborn was the type to get the big push into a main event guy. Do you think the success or failure of Dark Reign depends on where they take him? Is he really capable of making an impact in the Marvel universe with this story? If anyone would've felt at home leading huge corporations and evil versions of superhero teams with an iron fist it would be The Kingpin. Just a thought.
Posted by Grendel

Isn't Cornell writing the Dark X-Men mini?
I'd recommend waiting for that.

Edited by Timm

what would Scott be impressed by namor for? I mean... Scott Summers would strike me as a hard man to impress. Once you have seen Colossus swim (He's made of metal!!!) and then later watch him fight Juggernaut, i would image it would be damn near impossible to impress you. I'm just saying.
 
Namor: *Lifts giant monster out of the water*
Scott: Now juggle it.
Colossus: I would.
Wolverine: ROFL

Posted by Dark Cell

thx 4 the review Babs
Edited by No_Name_
@FLStyle: I would totally spew my disgust for them for you in the next podcast except that I LOVE THEM!!!!!! xD
 
I think that the ultimate failure of DR is inevitable, although I must say I would love to see a joint uprising from the part of the Avengers against Norman. That would be cool. I remember being totally excited for Dark Reign and then the story just got sort of cold and REALLY PREDICTABLE. I think that's what happens when you have too many off-shoots and mini's. This one was good though; but that could just be because I have a thing for guys with ankle-wings.  ;)
 

@Dark Cell

said:

" thx 4 the review Babs "


You're quite welcome!
 

@Timm

said:

" what would Scott be impressed by namor for? I mean... Scott Summers would strike me as a hard man to impress. Once you have seen Colossus swim (He's made of metal!!!) and then later watch him fight Juggernaut, i would image it would be damn near impossible to impress you. I'm just saying.  Namor: *Lifts giant monster out of the water* Scott: Now juggle it. Colossus: I would. Wolverine: ROFL "


That's pretty hilarious. I think Fraction threw that scene in there so we can see how much of a square Cyclops really is. Emma needs a real man. (wolf whistle)
Posted by Fleonix

Oh googness I need to start picking up all my X-Men books I fell So Out of touch X[

Posted by kaorumonster

I don't like Matt Fraction.
 
I noticed you guys never rate lower than 2 our of 5. Well, not recently.

Posted by Media_Master

Story sounds kinda shallow and the art doesn't really grab me either.

Posted by No_Name_
@kaorumonster said:
" I don't like Matt Fraction.  I noticed you guys never rate lower than 2 our of 5. Well, not recently. "
It has to be really terrible to be a 1.
Posted by Namor1987
@Babs said:
" @Clara Mass: That's so weird! Oh well, that's not what it said on the cover ;) "
Is this more action oriented or story driven?
Posted by No_Name_
@Namor1987: I would say it's equal parts of both
Posted by RaptorFratBoy
@FoxxFireArt: Ah, good point. I guess I shouldn't be so quick to judge, I just really, really hope "Siege" is some middle-ground to getting Marvel back to a regular status. Not like the old days or anything, but to where Heroes are Heroes, and Villains are Villains; the concept was awesome for awhile, but I'm over it.
Posted by FoxxFireArt
@RaptorFratBoy: 
Like I said, we don't really know what The Siege is all about. Though reports are that it will be revealed after the next couple of days. It could just be a few months or a year long event. Though, ever since Civil War they have just gone from one event to the next.
Posted by jefprice

Lol Campy. I find most all of DC campy, so I guess I can live with a little camp from Marvel.

Posted by victorvndoom

norman is campy :p 

Posted by No_Name_
@victorvndoom said:
" norman is campy :p  "
Totally, dude!
Posted by NormanOsborn

admit it, Namor is arrogant
Posted by Vance Astro

Cue Matt Fraction hatestorm!

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Posted by Pez85

Namor has a thing for Emma now? Man, Sue's gonna be pissed!

Posted by goldenkey

Im getting the since that people don't really like Matt Fraction. 
Posted by box turtle

Thanks Babs for confirming my fears about this comic.  I don't want it.
Posted by Sandbox24

 Alan Davis drawing Namor. Awesome.  
 
Looking forward to picking this up, not sure I'm sold on the whole 'Namor's wife turned into sea monster' but aside from that it's a purchase.
 
 
Oh and I think "campy" just become my new favourite word of the day!  
 
Posted by mattydeNero

I'm not sure if "campy" is the right word.  More like, "easy".  It seemed like Fraction was asked to write this and then just threw something together revolving around Namor.  Namor's awesome, but I think this "List" book has been the least entertaining of the three thus far.
 
And it could've been an even better issue if not for the B.S. Matt Fraction re-print at the end.  What does that Wolverine short have anything to do with the situation at hand?!?!  MARVEL's not hooking us up with any of these re-prints(other than the MOON KNIGHT #1 reprint in the first ish of "Vengeance".
Posted by Sunrise

My biggest problem with this book was the total lack of threat. A big generic monster eats tons of Atlanteans and as a reader I don't feel a thing, that's a big flaw. However great the dialogue between Namor and Scott was... the guy was lifting a perversion of his ex-wife above his head and smiling... that's just plain wrong.
Posted by victorvndoom

evil characters are so campy : doom says 'i am going to kill the ff' how many times did he said as green goblin that he was planning to kill spiderman...it isnt the autor who makes norman campy it is how they are evolved in comics. Doom is beter 'fleshed' out then norman but i am a doom fan formost and not a norman fan. I did got the dark avengers on my list each month. Why to see what Doom does with Norman ...look foward to the doom vs dark avengers issue :)