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Does Batman Always Win? Kraven vs. Batman

Sergei Kravinoff has hunted and defeated Peter Parker before... but does he have what it takes to bring down Batman, too? Find out what we think!

It's once again time to see how Batman would fare in a totally random encounter against a character he has no knowledge of. Everyone knows Batman's a beast with prep and when it comes to characters in his universe, he does indeed have a plan on how to handle almost everyone. But, I thought it would be way more fun to test his abilities against a slew of street level characters he knows nothing about because they're not from his world. This way we have to speculate how he'd react and whether or not he has what it takes to logically earn a majority of wins over his opponent. The Dark Knight is doing pretty well thus far in the monthly segment and has a record of 4 wins, 2 losses and only 1 draw (links to each are at the bottom). Now it's time to place him against one of Spider-Man's dangerous villains: Kraven the Hunter.

Kraven's throne has skulls, but Batman has better posture. It's truly anyone's game, people.

To make sure the segment is neutral, the matches will always be a random encounter (this means neither has knowledge on the other or prep time) and in a generic, unpopulated city setting at night (NOT Gotham). All of the standard city lights and lights inside buildings will remain on. They'll start roughly 50 feet apart, have their standard gear and they will be in character. Naturally, they have the objective to defeat the other character. Just like over in the Battles Forums, the winner will be declared based on who I think takes the most victories in this scenario if it played out 10 times. Additionally, it's worth noting that this segment is treating all pre-New 52 Batman feats as canon (New Earth, of course).'

Does Kraven have what it takes to drop the Caped Crusader... or will he fail this hunt?

Fighting Skill

I feel like a broken record when it comes to this factor. Not many characters out there are more skilled than Batman, and Sergei Kravinoff isn't one of them. We all know the basics when it comes to Bruce's skill: master of a gazillion styles (127, but who's counting?) and he's sporting great form. He's had what it takes to drop Lady Shiva and even gave Deathstroke a tough time. While Kraven isn't Bruce's equal in technique, I'm here to tell you why he's no slouch, either. In fact, I'd say Kraven's a very talented hand-to-hand fighter (ranked 6 out of 7 in fighting skill in the official handbook). Sergei has spent decades training himself (he has slowed aging thanks to his potions) and globetrotting to take down every creature possible (yes, this includes animals in the Savage Land). He has extensive knowledge of human (and various animals') anatomy and frequently uses pressure points to disable his enemies. We've seen him use these attacks against Spider-Man and Tigra and he's used far more brutal methods against Vladimir and a sasquatch (snapped their limbs). His use of nerve strikes has ranged from merely disabling an entire limb to temporarily paralyzing his target.

Kraven made Spider-Man think, "OHHHH!" 'Nuff said, yes?

Spider-Man was borderline bloodlusted in the conclusion of Grim Hunt and he humiliated Kraven's entire family, yet Sergei was still able to land a slash and dislocate Parker's shoulder before going down. As you should know, Spider-Man is absolutely vicious and amazingly formidable when he really lets loose. Additionally, he's defeated Vermin while unarmed, successfully taken blood samples from all of the original X-Men while in combat for Mr. Sinister, and slit Kaine's throat before getting blitzed. Sergei doesn't have the luxury of facing more than a handful of characters, but based on what I have seen and his consistent fights with Spider-Man, he's certainly not a character to take lightly. Kraven may not be as skilled as Batman, but he's still pretty darn talented in this regard. Throw in his superior stats and this could spell trouble for Batman, but clearly, Mr. Wayne has the edge in this one.

Edge: Batman

Equipment

BW goes full Shatner.

Everyone and their mother should know what Batman is bringing to the table by now. Grappling lines, standard batarangs, sonic devices, small explosives, electric, gas, smoke, cryo and more. "But Gregg, how does he have all of this on him at all times? That's stupid!" Most of these devices are actually quite small and fit within the various pouches on his belt or are located somewhere on his costume. Besides, it's not in character for him to use all of them (cryo, for example), but he'd be a fool not to carry most of these things since he can't predict what kind of threat he'll encounter. And Batman? He's no fool. Let's not forget the man is technically a genius, yes? All of these different items don't weigh him down nor is it absurd to think he's packing a lot of variety while in his cowl. While standard batarangs won't do more than annoy Sergei, electric, gas and sonic attacks would prove effective if Batman has the chance to use them.

Variety is definitely on Batman's side, but Sergei has a simple yet highly effective variety of gear. Yes, he has his standard bladed weapons-- nothing too special there -- and his bolas and nets could give him a temporary opening, but it's his use of poisons and potions which could serve as a real game changer. We've seen the villain use them in quite a few different ways. Sometimes they're on his bladed weapons, they're on the tusks on his belt (which he can detach to use as melee weapons), he has a blow gun to fire poison-tipped darts, and he's even worn a gauntlet which fired dozens of little poisonous darts. In a vast majority of these showings, the poison/potions were able to drop his opponent in a few moments at most or severely impact their coordination (the key exception which comes to mind is his fight with Flash Thompson). This could be a huge factor, especially if Kraven momentarily snags Batman with a bola or a net. Then there's the infamous laser nipples on his vest (used at least 3 times and temporarily stuns his enemies), but yeah, I think we'll just go ahead and leave that weapon in the past.

Batman has a greater variety of high tech tools which can turn the tide, but Sergei's frequent use of poisons could prove to be equally troublesome as well since once slash is all it would take.

Edge: Draw

Imagine if Batman's costume was leopard print. You can't unsee it, can you?

Mentality

Kraven may look like a silly man, but he's by no means a dumb man. He prides himself on his tactics as a hunter and has adapted in combat numerous times. Thinking he needs prep or has to be in a jungle to remain effective is a silly misconception. Upon being disarmed by Tigra, he immediately countered by using a nerve strike to turn the odds. And when he knows he can't take Spider-Man in a slugfest, he resorts to poisons and has no shame in doing so. I think he'd have the same mentality against Batman. It won't take long to see he's facing someone who's amazingly skilled, so I think it's fair to assume he'd try to use his poisons ASAP. Even if he was oblivious to Batman's skill, it's still a tactic he'd opt to use sooner rather than later.

Those shoes...

Yes, Sergei is an intelligent man and great with tactics, but he's simply not Bruce's equal in this regard. Wayne's a genius and an expert tactician -- decades upon decades of comics have consistently proven this. Thanks to that and his superior form, there's the potential for him to direct the course of events or use the environment to his advantage as the fight progresses. The longer he's in the fight, the better his odds are.

While stealth is something both of these do characters use a fair amount, I actually don't view it as a huge factor here. The starting distance may seem like a fair gap to us, but to these characters it isn't much at all. Seeing as both appear to be standard humans when first spotted, I fail to see why either would opt to immediately run away into the shadows most of the time. Both are confident in their abilities as a combatant and both could close this gap in a matter of seconds if they wanted to, especially since Sergei can run in bursts of 60 mph. Both will use ranged weapons but it'll have no real impact. Sergei has danced around thrown weapons from T'Challa and Batman has a plethora of feats to justify dodging and/or blocking what Sergei could potentially throw his way during his head-on encounter. It won't be long before the two are within close proximity, but it is possible for Batman to use smoke pellets if things aren't going his way and resort to stealth. This could give him the advantage of the next strike, but he's also unaware of Kraven's expert tracking abilities. Regardless, I think this is a fight that will remain in close proximity most of the time due to the settings.

Both are wise and no nonsense fighters who can adapt to their environments (unless Kraven's facing Spider-Man, then he wastes opportunities like a true villain) but ultimately, there's just no disputing Wayne is simply a superior tactician.

Edge: Batman

Physicals

Bruce Wayne has pushed himself to peak human condition thanks to extensive and continuous training. But Sergei? We're talking about a dude who's superhuman after previously experimenting with herbal potions (which he no longer requires for these stats, by the way). His speed, strength and durability is absolutely above Bruce's.

When it comes to durability, Kraven is actually way more impressive than some may assume. Yes, he looks like an ordinary man, but it has been consistently established that he's incredibly durable. He can take numerous strikes from Spider-Man and, despite it sounding silly, Parker has once admitted he needed to use a strike which he'd use against the Hulk. Additionally, when Kraven abducted Harry Osborn back in THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #47, Harry punched Sergei in the face and said the villain didn't feel it and it was like "hitting an elephant's hide." Long story short, Batman's standard assortment of strikes won't cut it when it comes to eliminating Kravinoff and that's a big deal at first in a random encounter.

Kraven's agility? Solid. Kraven's trash talking? Weak.

As for strength, Kraven's got the edge. He's made Spider-Man struggle in a grapple and a bear hug, punched through walls and constantly cites how he can drop a bull elephant in a single strike. According to his handbook entry, he can lift 2 tons. And when it comes to speed, Kraven can run in bursts of 60 miles per hour. Venom said he was, "faster than eyes track -- a blur of motion" and he's dodged lightning strikes from Storm and pistol shots from Deadpool. Furthermore, since his resurrection, Kraven has an accelerated healing factor which has allowed him to remain conscious after being stabbed int he heart (this happened twice). At any rate, I don't see this as being a huge factor since Batman using cutting/stabbing damage in a lethal measure is highly unlikely and there's no evidence to prove it has rendered him immune from electric or gas attacks.

Edge: Kraven

Verdict

I'm not the biggest fan of ABC logic, but please forgive me as I use it for a moment. While off venom, Bane has given Batman good fights -- a stalemate and even took the edge before losing once -- and it's clear he accomplishes this because of his edge in physicals. Yes, Bane is undeniably skilled and it pains me when people think he's merely a brawler, but he's not Batman's equal in that regard and it's his physicals which narrows the gap between the two. While it's definitely fair to say Kraven is slightly less skilled than Bane, he is, however, well above Bane when it comes to physicals (again, off venom). I'd say that large physical edge more than compensates for a slight technique disadvantage. By this logic, I believe Kraven should be more effective against Batman than an off-venom Bane because he's essentially in a similar skill range yet more physically impressive. And, if an off-venom Bane has what it takes to give Bruce great fights, I think this would grant Sergei better odds. Again, ABC logic should be used sparingly, but I do think there are numerous similarities between Kraven and Bane, so I thought it was a fitting example.

Batman does indeed have the skill, tactics and equipment required to eventually defeat Kraven -- there's really no denying that. But in a random encounter? I think it's more likely the Kraven's physicals in combination with his more than adequate degree of skill and use of poisons would allow him to overcome before Batman can use one of his more effective gadgets. The man has what it takes to keep pace, take hits and even land nerve strikes on Spider-Man, after all. It's definitely a great fight and has the potential to go either way, but in the end, I think Sergei's should take a slight majority (6/10).

Legitimate scan is legitimate. This is from... uh... Batman: Night of the Hunter...

We have a special guest chiming in for this one!

Erik Burnham, upcoming co-writer of SCARLET SPIDER

"Sure, he has that crazy lion-face vest that I'm surprised Lady Gaga hasn't co-opted, but Sergei Kravinoff can take a punch from Spider-Man. He can wrestle down gorillas. He can track by scent, and Batman doesn't have ESP on his side. I think Kraven's going to take Bats down a peg, and he's going to do it while wearing leopard print pants and laughing like Boris Badenov. That's gonna be embarrassing for the Dark Knight."

And what does a fellow Comic Vine staffer think about this battle?

Corey 'Undeadpool' Schroeder, Comic Vine Writer

"I originally went into this thinking Bats would take it easily, but the more I researched and reacquainted myself with the Hunter, the more I realized Kraven is, in many ways, Batman's polar opposite in that his power set very specifically counters many of Batman's usual tactics and he lacks any obvious weaknesses to be exploited. Batman would likely try to strike from the shadows, but Kraven would detect even the slightest noise thus Batman would immediately lose the element of surprise. Likewise, a man whose spent his entire life on the hunt for stronger and stronger prey would neither be alarmed by "the Bat Man" nor likely to be fooled into thinking he's any kind of supernatural force, so the fear element is gone as well. This leads to who can throw down more effectively on a base level and it's here that I think Kraven actually takes it. Batman's style tends to be very defensive and reactionary, which is absolutely not the way to take down Sergei as he has the advantage in strength and knowledge of anatomy, and at least equals Bats in agility and reflexes.

The utility belt might be versatile, but it's going to take more than pepper spray or a taser to stop Kraven, and even if Bats tries to get some distance to catch his breath or even attempt ranged combat, Kraven has shown himself plenty proficient with guns and enough traps and snares, even nets, to make sure the Bat doesn't get very far. Ultimately, it would come down to a pitched, knock-down, drag-out brawl, but Kraven would add the Batman's cowl to his many, many pelts."

There you have it, Viners. Erik, Corey and I think Kraven has the means to defeat Batman in a random encounter. But who do you think should win? Speak your mind below!

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241 Comments
Edited by Dernman

Kraven ftw Waits for the replies on how you;re again underestimating and hate Batman.

Posted by Mucklefluga

Spears and rocks @k4tzm4n Spears and rocks...

And now to read the article !! ahaha

Posted by russellmania77

Been done

Posted by jaybefre

Surprised to see Batman lose this one. I thought he would take this at least 8 out of 10 times. Batman has fought animal/savage types (man-bat and killer croc) before and won. I don't see Kraven being able to keep up with Batman. Interesting match up though. I was beginning to miss these.

Posted by Wolverine08

Sorry to say this because Batman is my second favorite character, but The Hunter shall add the Dark Knight's head to his collection of skulls.

Edited by Supreme_Maj

Sergei takes !

Edited by Trevel8182

NO ONE CAN WITHSTAND KRAVENS LASER NIPPLES!!!!!!!

Posted by k4tzm4n

@jaybefre said:

Surprised to see Batman lose this one. I thought he would take this at least 8 out of 10 times. Batman has fought animal/savage types (man-bat and killer croc) before and won. I don't see Kraven being able to keep up with Batman. Interesting match up though. I was beginning to miss these.

I considered discussing Killer Croc in the feature but decided against it (thought the Bane part was more relevant). Anyway, Killer Croc is slower, not as smart and significantly less skilled than Kraven. The only real similarity between the two is they're both stronger and more durable than Batman, but that's where the strong parallels come to an end.

And thanks, happy to know you enjoy them even if you disagree :D

Staff
Edited by End_Boss

Yeah, I really don't think Kraven could take this one. No disrespect to the guy that took down Spider-Man, but I just don't see it happening.

Yeah, he's a great hunter, but so is Batman in his own way (world's greatest detective after all, and what is a detective if not a hunter?).

Yes, Kraven is a real tough guy, but so is Batman (peak physical conditioning, trained with the greatest martial artists in the world, only sentient being to ever dodge the Omega Beams).

Kraven may be able to take a punch from Spider-Man, but Bats has endured getting clocked by Superman on multiple occasions. Sure, Superman was usually holding back or was slightly de-powered, but he's still Superman. If your argument is that Spidey's super strength is anywhere near the ballpark of Kal-El's, well... I don't know what to tell you.

And as far as tech and gear go, Batman has Kraven hopelessly outclassed. Hopelessly.

Not sure how you arrived at the decision you did.

Posted by THEOCITYLEGEND

I actually thought Batman had this one

Posted by CuddlyPlane

I'm really surprised to see the turnout on this one! I like it! I'd like to see Batman go against someone like fantomex, world's greatest detective vs. master of misdirection :P

Edited by 8008S

Kraven looks a bit overwhelming for good ol' pointy ears without prep.

Posted by TheGoddamBatman

What use are Kraven's poison darts against a bullet proof batsuit?

Edited by MyNameWasDeleted

Captain America should have won. This battle is proof of that. ABC logic strikes again!

Posted by Owie

Yeah, I think Kraven wins around 6 or 7. His stats and close skill level will give him the win.

Posted by joeagentofhand1

NO ONE CAN WITHSTAND KRAVENS LASER NIPPLES!!!!!!!

laser nipples ftw

Edited by Lvenger

This is the first Does Batman always win? section I disagree with about the outcome. Don't get me wrong Gregg, this was an excellently researched piece with thorough opinions on why Kraven would win. He does have a good chance of beating Batman. But ultimately, from my perspective, Batman has fought and beaten superhuman foes such as Bane and Killer Croc on the fly. The superior stats has been cancelled out by Batman's gear and tactical mindset. And that's why I think Batman can take Kraven 6/10 times. Kraven is outskilled, doesn't have the variety of gear Batman does nor the tactical mindset. I see this swinging in Batman's favour more than Kraven's. But awesome article as per usual Gregg, it's great reading your analysis of this fight!

Edited by BalooMamalu

As time goes on, Kraven only moves up in my Spidey villian list, but in what universe does Kraven defeat Batman? I don't think Spiderman could defeat Batman, and Spidey has beaten Kraven multiple times, even when teamed up with additional villains. Could Kraven defeat Superman or Wonder Woman? Not a snowball's chance, and again, Batman has soundly defeated both of them, and many top tier DC heroes and villains. As much as I love Kraven, he's hardly on the level of top tier Marvel villains, and barely makes the top 3 Spiderman villains.

Edited by k4tzm4n

@mynamewasdeleted said:

Captain America should have won. This battle is proof of that. ABC logic strikes again!

I granted Kraven the victory for more reasons than just being stronger and faster than Batman. :P

@end_boss said:

Yeah, I really don't think Kraven could take this one. No disrespect to the guy that took down Spider-Man, but I just don't see it happening.

Yeah, he's a great hunter, but so is Batman in his own way (world's greatest detective after all, and what is a detective if not a hunter?).

Yes, Kraven is a real tough guy, but so is Batman (peak physical conditioning, trained with the greatest martial artists in the world, only sentient being to ever dodge the Omega Beams).

Kraven may be able to take a punch from Spider-Man, but Bats has endured getting clocked by

Superman

on multiple occasions. Sure, Superman was usually holding back or was slightly de-powered, but he's still

Superman

. If your argument is that Spidey's super strength is anywhere near the ballpark of Kal-El's, well... I don't know what to tell you.

And as far as tech and gear go, Batman has Kraven hopelessly outclassed.

Hopelessly

.

Not sure how you arrived at the decision you did.

I don't mean to be rude, but I thought I elaborated more than enough in the piece. Not really interested in repeating my reasons.

@theocitylegend said:

I actually thought Batman had this one

Nothing wrong with that. I think Sergei only takes a small edge and whenever there's only a small edge, a rational case can really be made for either. It all boils down to how much you value each advantage.

@russellmania77 said:

Been done

Neat!

@thegoddambatman said:

What use are Kraven's poison darts against a bullet proof batsuit?

As stated in the piece, the poison isn't just on darts.

Staff
Posted by Azura_Thena

@end_boss said:

Yeah, I really don't think Kraven could take this one. No disrespect to the guy that took down Spider-Man, but I just don't see it happening.

Yeah, he's a great hunter, but so is Batman in his own way (world's greatest detective after all, and what is a detective if not a hunter?).

Yes, Kraven is a real tough guy, but so is Batman (peak physical conditioning, trained with the greatest martial artists in the world, only sentient being to ever dodge the Omega Beams).

Kraven may be able to take a punch from Spider-Man, but Bats has endured getting clocked by

Superman

on multiple occasions. Sure, Superman was usually holding back or was slightly de-powered, but he's still

Superman

. If your argument is that Spidey's super strength is anywhere near the ballpark of Kal-El's, well... I don't know what to tell you.

And as far as tech and gear go, Batman has Kraven hopelessly outclassed.

Hopelessly

.

Not sure how you arrived at the decision you did.

I get the impression that you didn't read the entire article...

Edited by Revendawn

It's the whole "no prep" and no knowledge thing that swings this into a bad place for the Dark Knight. I have to agree Kraven walks away with it under these rules.

However Superhero law is still in effect. Batman might go down, but not out. The inevitable rematch where he has time to prep goes to Bats hands down.

Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

Kraven wins.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL? WHAT DO MEAN BATMAN LOOSES? THAT CANT BE TRUE BATMAN NEVER LOOSES!!!!!!1111!!!1!

How was that? Over dramatic enough? Yea I agree with the out come here.

Edited by Wolverine08

@baloomamalu:

Yes, Spiderman could easily beat Batman. In one punch if he wanted to....

Posted by Reignmaker
The utility belt might be versatile, but it's going to take more than pepper spray or a taser to stop Kraven

Seriously?

Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

@baloomamalu: Spidey would one shot Bats. That isn't even debatable.

Edited by SadiaVicious

@trevel8182 said:

NO ONE CAN WITHSTAND KRAVENS LASER NIPPLES!!!!!!!

laser nipples ftw

Laser Nipples > Everything in Batman's life.

Posted by Reignmaker

@baloomamalu: Spidey would one shot Bats. That isn't even debatable.

Spidey is in this wonderful middle spot where he "one-shots" street-levelers and yet gets his ass kicked by any other tier one character with superpowers.

Posted by Reignmaker

@baloomamalu: Spidey would one shot Bats. That isn't even debatable.

Spidey is in this wonderful middle spot where he "one-shots" street-levelers and yet gets his ass kicked by any other tier one character with superpowers.

Edited by End_Boss

@k4tzm4n: So, not interested in defending your position. Gotcha. I don't know why I even read this. Comic book character X vs. Y threads are stupid to begin with.

EDIT: Also, did you realize you gave two "edge" wins to Batman, one to Kraven and the last was a draw but you still chose Kraven?

Posted by k4tzm4n

@joeagentofhand1 said:

@trevel8182 said:

NO ONE CAN WITHSTAND KRAVENS LASER NIPPLES!!!!!!!

laser nipples ftw

Laser Nipples > Everything in Batman's life.

:D

@lvenger said:

This is the first Does Batman always win? section I disagree with about the outcome. Don't get me wrong Gregg, this was an excellently researched piece with thorough opinions on why Kraven would win. He does have a good chance of beating Batman. But ultimately, from my perspective, Batman has fought and beaten superhuman foes such as Bane and Killer Croc on the fly. The superior stats has been cancelled out by Batman's gear and tactical mindset. And that's why I think Batman can take Kraven 6/10 times. Kraven is outskilled, doesn't have the variety of gear Batman does nor the tactical mindset. I see this swinging in Batman's favour more than Kraven's. But awesome article as per usual Gregg, it's great reading your analysis of this fight!

YOU DISAGREE? YOU DARE?

But really, thanks for the kind words and all that. Like I said to the fellow below, this is definitely a close one and all comes down to how you weigh the advantages. I think the few Kraven has will serve him well in a random encounter. A rematch, though? Batman absolutely takes a majority now that he knows what Kraven brings to the fight.

It's the whole "no prep" and no knowledge thing that swings this into a bad place for the Dark Knight. I have to agree Kraven walks away with it under these rules.

However Superhero law is still in effect. Batman might go down, but not out. The inevitable rematch where he has time to prep goes to Bats hands down.

Agreed 100%!

Staff
Edited by batmannflash

wow I actually was surprised on this one. I thought Bats would win. I agreed with all the other "Does Batman Always Wins." But I don't know Kraven too well and it seems that in a random encounter, Kraven would win. Unfortunately lol

Posted by k4tzm4n

@end_boss said:

@k4tzm4n: So, not interested in defending your position. Gotcha. I don't know why I even read this. Comic book character X vs. Y threads are stupid to begin with.

Not interested in defending my position? Come now, don't be like that. You stated you're not sure how I reached that conclusion and I firmly believe I made my reasoning clear enough in the piece. Why should I have to reword the advantages I expressed in numerous paragraphs above?

Well, if you think they're stupid, then by all means avoid them. Plenty of others have a good deal of fun with them, though.

Staff
Posted by MyNameWasDeleted

@k4tzm4n: I got that and I am agreement with you on this fight. I'm just sayin though... I mean, I'm just saaayin- Cap can beat Kraven, so why would he not take out Batman? Draw...DRaW .. DRAW !?! It's just ridiculous to me.

ALSO- notifications are not working (were they disabled? cause I didn't get a notice that you quoted me.. just saw you had when I checked back here)

Posted by Dernman

Heh these Batman vs threads are a great source for laughter.

Posted by RustyRoy

@end_boss said:

Yeah, I really don't think Kraven could take this one. No disrespect to the guy that took down Spider-Man, but I just don't see it happening.

Yeah, he's a great hunter, but so is Batman in his own way (world's greatest detective after all, and what is a detective if not a hunter?).

Yes, Kraven is a real tough guy, but so is Batman (peak physical conditioning, trained with the greatest martial artists in the world, only sentient being to ever dodge the Omega Beams).

Kraven may be able to take a punch from Spider-Man, but Bats has endured getting clocked by

Superman

on multiple occasions. Sure, Superman was usually holding back or was slightly de-powered, but he's still

Superman

. If your argument is that Spidey's super strength is anywhere near the ballpark of Kal-El's, well... I don't know what to tell you.

And as far as tech and gear go, Batman has Kraven hopelessly outclassed.

Hopelessly

.

Not sure how you arrived at the decision you did.

Agreed, Batman takes this 7 out of 10 times.

Posted by VSG413

Kraven FTW! & for the guy advocating that Captain America would win a fight against Batman, he wouldn't, it is still up in the air for grabs. Your ABC logic is about to be used against you, lets continue to the letter "D" which stands for "DIFFERENCE" the difference between Capt. America and Kraven is simple, one has predatory sensory and the other does. Kraven can hear the slightest movement, that takes the element of surprise away from Batman, Captain America can not do such things.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@end_boss said:

@k4tzm4n: So, not interested in defending your position. Gotcha. I don't know why I even read this. Comic book character X vs. Y threads are stupid to begin with.

EDIT: Also, did you realize you gave two "edge" wins to Batman, one to Kraven and the last was a draw but you still chose Kraven?

Replying to the edit: you're assuming all advantages hold equal weight in a fight and clearly, I disagree. As I stated multiple times above, I think his physical edge and use of poisons are huge edges in a random encounter, enough to compensate being not as skilled and not as smart.

Again, these are stated in the piece. I don't mean to be rude, but did you read all of it or just look at the outcome/edge results?

Staff
Posted by sasquatch888

c'mon guys really???? batman takes this ....batman kicked the entire x-men's asses in this after being transported into the marvel universe in continuity in this comic i'm sure he could handle kraven

Edited by Reignmaker
@lvenger said:

This is the first Does Batman always win? section I disagree with about the outcome. Don't get me wrong Gregg, this was an excellently researched piece with thorough opinions on why Kraven would win. He does have a good chance of beating Batman. But ultimately, from my perspective, Batman has fought and beaten superhuman foes such as Bane and Killer Croc on the fly. The superior stats has been cancelled out by Batman's gear and tactical mindset. And that's why I think Batman can take Kraven 6/10 times. Kraven is outskilled, doesn't have the variety of gear Batman does nor the tactical mindset. I see this swinging in Batman's favour more than Kraven's.

I agree with this analysis. This is about Batman's peak without prep though. This and Captain America. Most people on here would say Cap beats Kraven. I think Batman beats him too.

Posted by ZZoMBiE13

I'll side with Kraven as long as he isn't wearing the capri pants. If he insists on wearing them though, Batman just has to kick his ass. For the sake of good taste if nothing else.

Edited by WaveMotionCannon
Edited by TheAmazingImmortalMan

Kraven joins Wolverine and Black Panther in the "I kicked Batman's a$$ club".

Posted by laflux

@k4tzm4n Again, I demand official recognition for being the first person on the discussion thread to recommend this to you.........

Posted by Wolverine08

Kraven joins Wolverine and Black Panther in the "I kicked Batman's a$$ club".

Haha! YES!

Posted by Saren

Article should really have just been:

Does Batman Always Win? Kraven vs Batman

Laser nipples.

Winner: Kraven

Moderator Online
Edited by Raw_Material

My edge goes to Batman. Even though it's a random encounter, his utility belt consists of many gadgets he'll be able to use in the battle and will overcome Kraven through strategic tactics and hand-to-hand combat.

Posted by Michael_Moran

I love these articles

Posted by DWrathborne

I may be a bit biased, as Kraven is one of my favored Spider-villains (though I'm still a bit ticked they didn't let him rest in peace,) but I am in agreement with the synopsis. 6 out of 10 times Kraven would take the first match, but a prepared Batman takes the rematch 9 out of 10.